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[QUOTE=yogaflame;4966108]I get that you take some perverse pleasure in trying to counter my every thought, but in no way are your examples the same. Hawkeye and BW are baseline humans, they have no special powers and they were support characters in Avengers. Even BW's solo film is taking place in the past. Spider-Man has the Raimi films which already covered his origins to a perfect T(and besides, in the MCU he was only active for about six months prior to Civil War, he's still learning the ropes in his solo films and team up movies). The X-Men's origins were butchered in the Fox films. And Captain Marvel's film literally revolves around her getting her power; it's just told upside down and backwards to try to inject more interest into a boring character.[/QUOTE]Tony is a baseline human as well. And many of the X-men will be supporting characters in the X-men films just as BW and Hawkeye were
There are tons of X-men characters. Not everyone will or should be expected to be introduced as just starting out. While it may make sense for a core group in the first film, we'll likely see others just as BW, Hawkeye, CM, etc...having been utilizing their powers for some time, especially if those characters are introduced outside of the first X-men film
[QUOTE=CRaymond;4966115]Because X-Men TAS started with a bang in Night of the Sentinels. Everything was fine —and in hindsight, admired.
Just lead with Jubilee meeting the X-Men's "Men in Black" status quo, and that changes by the end of the film.[/QUOTE]
Exactly. We never really got much about the origins of the team until teh Cold Comfort episode in season 3 and that didnt dig into it too much
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TAS didn't know if the show would work and if they would get more than one season(and as much as I love the show, it doesn't work as well as the actual Claremont canon. The characters are essentially frozen developmentally the entire series, other than Jean's Phoenix ordeals and Jubes learning to drive by the end. I will love that series for all time for what it was, but it can be exceeded, tremendously.). The MCU was a well-oiled machine before COVID. Assuming society doesn't collapse soon, it will most likely pick up steam again for another decade or two. Take your time. Stretch out. We've got loads of Disney+ series and big films to go through. There is no need to rush.
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[QUOTE=yogaflame;4965974]I want to know who you think will be cast as Ororo to have the MCU tell [Oscar award winning actress] Lupita Nyong'o to go kick rocks? lol The Hollywood politics, let alone the media optics, would be a mine-field for Disney/Marvel. Honestly, if they keep the cast as it is, they should just develop Lupita's character more in BP2, flesh out her perspective and relationship with T'Challa, rather than try to introduce a whole other character and potential romance that can't even really go anywhere. They have the option of going the Malice route, but the optics on that aren't very good either. Remember, she was the one pushing for a greater role in the outside world. If they turn her character evil, it presents a difficult position for Disney/Marvel to defend.[/QUOTE]
disney ultimately will be about that green so if they think it makes the most sense to keep nakia with tchalla they will do it; however, there are a lot of fans who want to see storm and BP shown as a couple on the big screen. I'm not saying that lupita should be pushed aside but if Disney's long term plans down the road is to romantically link tchalla and ororo nakia becoming malice would allow for it without it seeming to be forced.
[QUOTE=Havok83;4965982]Turning a very well recieved black female protagonist into the stereotypical angry black woman villian to push another woman taking her place in a romance would not be a good look[/QUOTE]
that's exactly what happened in 616 canon though. nakia envied ororo, became malice died and tchalla stayed with ororo. there may need to be some creative means of executing this so it works but malice would give disney a vehicle in doing this.
[QUOTE=chief12d;4965984]I would be surprised if they went that route but the concept is the same. Nakia goes bad in BP2 and Storm debuts in the same movie. I doubt she'll have a major role though, more along the lines of a reveal. There's only 1 film where you can explore BP and Storm and like you said the romance won't come instantly, so by the end of that film they probably won't even be a couple. But with no more T'Challa-led Black Panther films and Boseman likely to only appear in Avengers movies how do you continue the relationship? A sub-plot in a New Avengers film? A sub-plot in an X-Men movie? The best option is a Disney+ show but then there's Boseman's contract, his money (lol), and how to fit it in the larger scope of the MCU. I don't think it's impossible but it's hard to develop a romance like theirs because it's across franchises and a little too late.[/QUOTE]
I'm not sure how disney would do it but they've managed to develop characters and relationships between characters across different franchises. spiderman relationship between ironman is one that comes to mind when I think about this. if they are to develop a romantic relationship between ororo and tchalla it wont be overnight and it probably will occur across multiple movies.
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[QUOTE=LordAllMIghty;4965980]Not sure why that's something to bring up, she destroyed starships but whatever...it's nice to recognize some of her feats[/QUOTE]
I think what I thought at least when I was reading this is that her powers are often underestimated but in context of the article they do acknowledge shes taken out entities far greater than the shield helicarrier.
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[url]https://www.cbr.com/x-men-powerful-than-hulk/[/url]
this list is actually quite funny. I'm sure there are some hulk fans who would disagree but at least storm has shown she can beat him before, with the help of cable (albeit she can now replicate that feat by herself now).
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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;4966177][url]https://www.cbr.com/x-men-powerful-than-hulk/[/url]
this list is actually quite funny. I'm sure there are some hulk fans who would disagree but at least storm has shown she can beat him before, with the help of cable (albeit she can now replicate that feat by herself now).[/QUOTE]
Thunderbird? The dude who died in his 2nd appearance and no credentials to back him up as the #4? Spot? Bye. The list is a joke. I would say only Storm, Juggernaut and Jean are the only ones on there that I could see a legitimate argument made for being more powerful than Hulk
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[QUOTE=Havok83;4966189]Thunderbird? The dude who died in his 2nd appearance and no credentials to back him up as the #4? Spot? Bye[/QUOTE]
lolol right? storm has a couple different examples of taking out hulk (bfr or ko) but some of these other ones were a complete stretch lol.
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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;4966161]
that's exactly what happened in 616 canon though. nakia envied ororo, became malice died and tchalla stayed with ororo. there may need to be some creative means of executing this so it works but malice would give disney a vehicle in doing this.
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There are a few Malices. There was the original back in '74 who had nothing to do with Ororo(****, she predates her).
The main one is from Priest's run, and she wasn't jealous of Ororo, she was jealous of T'Challa's romantic partner of old school runs, Monica Lynne.
The story you are thinking of is very recent, post MCU BP, post BP/Storm marriage, and is contained to that horrible X-Men/Wakanda crossover. That one is trash.
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[QUOTE=yogaflame;4966204]There are a few Malices. There was the original back in '74 who had nothing to do with Ororo(****, she predates her).
The main one is from Priest's run, and she wasn't jealous of Ororo, she was jealous of T'Challa's romantic partner of old school runs, Monica Lynne.
The story you are thinking of is very recent, post MCU BP, post BP/Storm marriage, and is contained to that horrible X-Men/Wakanda crossover. That one is trash.[/QUOTE]
I was speaking of what was revealed in the recent Wakanda Forever Xmen:
[img]https://2.bp.blogspot.com/PA3KL8yExxTj8Yzgzp5rOoYizeJCcyvEOD6e2KItZT3ijIPH8qQ_SiqCj5VlyIirAzIZqRIULRWkmSKKchi81D-15OghpKvhJcjvTvWQ08QtAfD6Nj_WtTg3Ze2p7oqLltcfrj1U-Q=s1600[/img]
And regardless on it being good or not, I think it's very plausible that a Malice who wanted Tchallas love only to see him give it to Ororo would be jealous of our beloved wind rider.
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I know what you're talking about, and that story is trash compared to the meat and potatoes of Malice/Nakia which is covered in Priest's BP run.
Whether the MCU decides to follow any of those stories, or continues on their own path, remains to be seen.
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[QUOTE=yogaflame;4966217]I know what you're talking about, and that story is trash compared to the meat and potatoes of Malice/Nakia which is covered in Priest's BP run.
Whether the MCU decides to follow any of those stories, or continues on their own path, remains to be seen.[/QUOTE]
yea thsts all I'm saying. whether they do it or not and even how it would be received still remains to be seen but disney does have an Avenue to remove nakia as tchalla's primary love interest.
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sorry for this random post but the page count made me think of this lol
[img]https://media2.giphy.com/media/jF996tcIGBIfS/200.gif[/img]
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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;4966177][url]https://www.cbr.com/x-men-powerful-than-hulk/[/url]
this list is actually quite funny. I'm sure there are some hulk fans who would disagree but at least storm has shown she can beat him before, with the help of cable (albeit she can now replicate that feat by herself now).[/QUOTE]
I always knew Storm was more powerful than Hulk.
The explanation they gave is EXACTLY why I’ve said this to many Idiotic Hulk Fans that Hulk can not touch her or get close to her.
But uh duhhh Hulk will Thundah Clap. Ugh...idiots.
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[QUOTE=stormphoenix;4966232]I always knew Storm was more powerful than Hulk.
The explanation they gave is EXACTLY why I’ve said this to many Idiotic Hulk Fans that Hulk can not touch her or get close to her.
But uh duhhh Hulk will Thundah Clap. Ugh...idiots.[/QUOTE]
what I dont get is why the things we say as fans are ignored even when we dropped the receipts to support our claims. it's not just with hulk, its iron man, thor, and other high tier characters.
Claremont wrote to make her the untouchable "goddess" who "lost" her powers only to regain them and return to the powerhouse that she was. Later writers, from my perspective, seemed to want to deconstruct what Claremont wrote her as and this is when we go from her being immune to all weather and its manifestations to the mess we got from lobdell. this is why I appreciate coates as he has returned her to that character that has feats to back up the claim she is one of the strongest marvel characters. defeating adversary is no small feat and I hope we see this continue with her giant size issue, as well as moving forward.
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Maybe due to the snapped Nakia and Tchalla drift apart. Or maybe Storm was betrothed to Tchalla but neither one took it seriously.
And what if they relationship play out like it did when they were young but instead of Tchalla leaving for Wakanda Duties Storm leaves him for Mutant duties.
You know how the MCU like to do fun house mirror to these stories