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[QUOTE=Mah_Boons;5239531]I must say I’m very surprised at Benjamin Percy’s version of Storm. He wrote her extremely well, I’m baffled really. DoX is being good to Storm. Hmm that’s a first.
I pray they keep this momentum going.[/QUOTE]
He did write her extremely well. I think he honestly does better with one character than a team because imo his wolverine is great but his x-force is seriously lacking.
[QUOTE=jwatson;5238709]It was a fight to draw first blood first of all and if Storm had her powers there is not a single member on the other team so far that could beat her. The only one who possibly stands a chance outside of genesis is proably white sword but even then i have no doubt storm would have been able to take out all 100 of his swords while chilling up in the air doing her nails. To me it seems more people are bitter about the slight against wakanda then they are the actual event. It made no sense Tchalla didn't let Storm fight Doom, it made no sense that tchalla was living his life in hell's kitchen while he had a wife but somehow a sword being taken and not being used as people expect is the biggestg travesty ever.[/QUOTE]
I do agree with this. For example, in this forum when Skybreaker was revealed, there were complaints that Storm would even have to use Skybreaker as a power enhancer considering that she doesn't need another object to boost her powers. However, in the story, when she actually uses Skybreaker as a sword and nothing else there are complaints that Skybreaker was useless and didn't even need to be wielded by her. Even if the swords were simply used as the only way to be involved in the stakes of the game, that still makes them significant. It's like the difference in having a ticket to go to Beyonce's concert. Some people have to make great sacrifices to get one, while others don't but you still need one to get in. Otherwise you're just watching at home. That makes the tickets significant lol!
I think the sooner people realize Skybreaker was made as a plot device to separate Storm from T'Challa and (potentially) set up conflict between Wakanda and Krakoa the easier it is to accept how the story went down. Storm was drunk, went up against a thousand year old warrior, didn't have access to her powers and won in a boring, cliche way. It was fine imo, nothing particularly great because Death never came off as impressive to begin with.
That could've been done with any sword with the structural integrity, it was Skybreaker because it served a very specific purpose bigger than a single fight. So how it fits into the wider story of XoS is irrelevant and probably shouldn't be over analyzed too much. Assuming it's not used by the X-office to create tension with another franchise, it won't be relevant unless they want to give Storm a h2h feat. I'm almost certain it gets retconned by the next Black Panther writer anyway so it's not a big deal for me. Storm hasn't died yet and T'Challa potentially might get a new love interest in King in Black anyway so nothing was lost. Let Storm keep the sword and keep it moving lol.
[QUOTE=jwatson;5239556]He did write her extremely well. I think he honestly does better with one character than a team because imo his wolverine is great but his x-force is seriously lacking.[/QUOTE]
That is a Great Point.
His Wolverine is very enjoyable. I’m not a Fan of Wolverine, but it is a good read. Tbh, if Percy asked to write a Storm solo I would be down for it. Now, as for his X-Force book your right it is a bit lacking, and some characters seem to get way more shine than others. But it’s also a good read as well.
I’m Happy. I like the direction Storm is going.
[QUOTE=Blind Wedjat;5238618]Skybreaker easily shattering Black Bone is the epitome of lazy writing, because for an event that put so much emphasis on the collection of powerful and special swords, it hasn't bothered to even show what makes these swords and the matchups unique. It's almost like the writers can't handle Hickman's elaborate concepts and just decide to do whatever for the sake of moving the story forward.
Last I checked, the name of the sword was Skybreaker, not "Swordbreaker" and it had its own unique powers of being able to shoot lightning or some kind of energy...none of which was used in this issue. You invent a whole artefact from another culture, name it Skybreaker and give it lightning powers, give it to freaking Storm, then depower her and the only thing she does is use it as a mirror one and as a stabbing weapon? Come on now. Let's call BS when BS happens. Even putting my issues with Marauders 14 aside, that's just such a lazy fight for a tournament arc event.
But the context of Marauders 14 actually makes the entire thing worse because according to how Shuri put it, taking Skybreaker from Wakanda would cause "brother to turn against brother" and cause civil unrest in Wakanda. Yet at no point as Storm since then reflect on the fact that to save one people she may have doomed another (again, according to Marauders 14). Considering that Shuri and Ramonda tried to offer her any other sword but she insisted on Skybreaker, I expected a whole lot more than Really Strong Sword #425 (which is not the property of Skybreaker that was talked up and is something any other Wakandan blade can do). That sounds like a writer making out a thing to be more important than it actually really is, which is in itself a microcosm of the problems with this entire event.
A fight to the death vs a Death horseman should have more dramatic weight and tension to it other than a quick stab. You'd think for all the teases of Storm's dynamic with him would have given us a more intense and interesting fight. This matters a lot when we're talking about fights in fiction. It's not about realism: it's about selling the drama. There's no drama in any of these fights, and it feels like a lazy attempt at subverting expectations.[/QUOTE]
Its made of special vibranium it should shatter most metals
[QUOTE=Mah_Boons;5239634]That is a Great Point.
His Wolverine is very enjoyable. I’m not a Fan of Wolverine, but it is a good read. Tbh, if Percy asked to write a Storm solo I wouldn’t be down for it. Now, as for his X-Force book your right it is a bit lacking, and some characters seem to get way more shine than others. But it’s also a good read as well.
I’m Happy. I like the direction Storm is going.[/QUOTE]
If he asked to write a Storm solo and they gave it to him i would definitely give it a shot because i feel he would show me something i didn't know i want to see. Which i like. Beyond that, my ideal Storm solo would be a group project by all of the current x-writers where each take an arc or two writing a Storm solo and switch off but with an of course overall collaborative goal.
[QUOTE=ExodusCloak;5239657]Its made of special vibranium it should shatter most metals[/QUOTE]
Thank you for posting, Im glad I'm not the only one who understands this. I try not to be the loudest Wakadian the in the room.
[QUOTE=jwatson;5239694]If he asked to write a Storm solo and they gave it to him i would definitely give it a shot because i feel he would show me something i didn't know i want to see. Which i like. Beyond that, my ideal Storm solo would be a group project by all of the current x-writers where each take an arc or two writing a Storm solo and switch off but with an of course overall collaborative goal.[/QUOTE]
Oops Correction. I WOULD be down. Yes if Percy wanted to write a Storm solo I would definitely read it. And not just Percy. If Vita Ayala, Gerry Duggan, Jonathan Hickman if any of these X-Writers asked to write a Storm solo I would 100% be on board. IMO these particular writers have proven to me that they know how to write Storm. And it also shows that the X-Office are not stupid. They know Storm’s worth.
And it’s not just them Ta-Nehisi Coates writes Storm very well too. I don’t like his style of writing, but he’s good. NOW is the time for a Storm solo. I just hope they don’t waste this opportunity by making us all wait.
[QUOTE=chief12d;5239615]I think the sooner people realize Skybreaker was made as a plot device to separate Storm from T'Challa and (potentially) set up conflict between Wakanda and Krakoa the easier it is to accept how the story went down. Storm was drunk, went up against a thousand year old warrior, didn't have access to her powers and won in a boring, cliche way. It was fine imo, nothing particularly great because Death never came off as impressive to begin with.
That could've been done with any sword with the structural integrity, it was Skybreaker because it served a very specific purpose bigger than a single fight. So how it fits into the wider story of XoS is irrelevant and probably shouldn't be over analyzed too much. Assuming it's not used by the X-office to create tension with another franchise, it won't be relevant unless they want to give Storm a h2h feat. I'm almost certain it gets retconned by the next Black Panther writer anyway so it's not a big deal for me. Storm hasn't died yet and T'Challa potentially might get a new love interest in King in Black anyway so nothing was lost. Let Storm keep the sword and keep it moving lol.[/QUOTE]
I think most people here realize that lol. I think the difference is how that event is coloring the experience people are having with the rest of the events of the story. Because some people think the premise is stupid, then the entire story is stupid and they are entitled to that opinion. I also hated the Skybreaker piece but not because of the effects on Storm's relationship to Wakanda. I for one am growing tired of everything Storm does being tied back to Wakanda. She has her own background and lineage, yet she can't seem to develop her own because she's always in Wakanda. I do realize that most of her current development happened due to the Black Panther storyline, but being in the Black Panther books also puts limitations on her development because everything would always have to be tied to Black Panther and the Wakanda mythos in some way to justify it being in the Black Panther book. If Storm and Black Panther had their own book it would be different, but because it's Black Panther she would always have to play second fiddle or get development and make all Black Panther fans mad LMAO! This is another reason why I'm not necessarily a fan of the couple. I thought it was stupid too that Skybreaker had to be in Wakanda but it was and for reasons that are very clear to all of us.
That being said, what I like about this event and story is that unlike past events and stories where Storm was promised some level of prominence, she's actually been present. She has not been spending most of the time laying on the ground unconscious (Avengers, the biggest let down of my life) or shooting lighting throughout the majority of the event. And whether people think it's a feat or not, I personally feel her victory over Death and doing so much work without her powers has reestablished that Storm is no joke and has resources that go beyond just shooting lightning. All she needs to do now is pick a good lock lol! So that's why even with the foolishness of Skybreaker I feel like this event is more of a win for Storm.
[QUOTE=Sdawg;5239856]I think most people here realize that lol. I think the difference is how that event is coloring the experience people are having with the rest of the events of the story. Because some people think the premise is stupid, then the entire story is stupid and they are entitled to that opinion. I also hated the Skybreaker piece but not because of the effects on Storm's relationship to Wakanda. I for one am growing tired of everything Storm does being tied back to Wakanda. She has her own background and lineage, yet she can't seem to develop her own because she's always in Wakanda. I do realize that most of her current development happened due to the Black Panther storyline, but being in the Black Panther books also puts limitations on her development because everything would always have to be tied to Black Panther and the Wakanda mythos in some way to justify it being in the Black Panther book. If Storm and Black Panther had their own book it would be different, but because it's Black Panther she would always have to play second fiddle or get development and make all Black Panther fans mad LMAO! This is another reason why I'm not necessarily a fan of the couple. I thought it was stupid too that Skybreaker had to be in Wakanda but it was and for reasons that are very clear to all of us.
That being said, what I like about this event and story is that unlike past events and stories where Storm was promised some level of prominence, she's actually been present. She has not been spending most of the time laying on the ground unconscious (Avengers, the biggest let down of my life) or shooting lighting throughout the majority of the event. And whether people think it's a feat or not, I personally feel her victory over Death and doing so much work without her powers has reestablished that Storm is no joke and has resources that go beyond just shooting lightning. So that's why even with the foolishness of Skybreaker I feel like this event is more of a win for Storm.[/QUOTE]
Everything you just said I Agree 100%.
[QUOTE=Sdawg;5239856]I think most people here realize that lol. I think the difference is how that event is coloring the experience people are having with the rest of the events of the story. Because some people think the premise is stupid, then the entire story is stupid and they are entitled to that opinion. I also hated the Skybreaker piece but not because of the effects on Storm's relationship to Wakanda. I for one am growing tired of everything Storm does being tied back to Wakanda. She has her own background and lineage, yet she can't seem to develop her own because she's always in Wakanda. This is another reason why I'm not necessarily a fan of the couple. I thought it was stupid too that Skybreaker had to be in Wakanda but it was and for reasons that are very clear to all of us.
That being said, what I like about this event and story is that unlike past events and stories where Storm was promised some level of prominence, she's actually been present. She has not been spending most of the time laying on the ground unconscious (Avengers, the biggest let down of my life) or shooting lighting throughout the majority of the event. And whether people think it's a feat or not, I personally feel her victory over Death and doing so much work without her powers has reestablished that Storm is no joke and has resources that go beyond just shooting lightning. So that's why even with the foolishness of Skybreaker I feel like this event is more of a win for Storm.[/QUOTE]
It's possible to think Marauders #13 was dumb and still believe this event didn't deliver, whether we're speaking in terms of Storm specifically or the event as a whole. And it's possible to hold both those beliefs without necessarily associating them, though that's a bit hard to do when Marauders #13 is part of the event lol. In a meta sense we can agree that Skybreaker was more a tool to break Storm and T'Challa up/set up potential conflict, but that doesn't mean one can't scrutinize how it was used in subsequent events in-universe.
There's a legitimate argument to be made it's a bit dumb she stole this all-important sword and damaged an important relationship she had just to barely use to a fraction of its potential and basically do what she could've done with any tough enough sword. I think it undersells the emotional turmoil and that it made for a less compelling fight sequence. I just don't see the point in complaining about that when Skybreaker wasn't designed to make much sense within the narrative of XoS. It's a editorial plot device that won't matter in a few months barring the X-office trying to incorporate more Black Panther drama to fuel Storm's arc. Though it does raise the question of whether it would've been better to break them up another way so Storm's first major role in an DOX event wouldn't be tied to her ex-husband. Seems like a missed opportunity and like I've been saying, if the sword is used a backdoor to have Wakandan politics play a bigger role in DOX then both Storm and T'Challa will be poorer for it.
And taking Skybreaker out the equation I can see why fans would be underwhelmed by her role in this event so far. I think it's been decent, but far from great, but that's what I expected because this isn't the big Storm story allegedly being planned. Many Storm fans valued her relationship with Wakanda and now that's gone. She doesn't exactly look that great for cosigning Wolverine's stupid attempt at killing an omniversal goddess. And while she's been confident there really hasn't been much else to her characterization in this bloated, disjointed series. She's the rather conventional "big gun mother goddess" that she's generally always written as, with a bit more sass than we normally get to see from her. It's a solid 6/10 for me and for a story not focused on her, that's fine. Better than most recent events, but I expect much more next year.
[QUOTE=Sdawg;5239856]I think most people here realize that lol. I think the difference is how that event is coloring the experience people are having with the rest of the events of the story. Because some people think the premise is stupid, then the entire story is stupid and they are entitled to that opinion. I also hated the Skybreaker piece but not because of the effects on Storm's relationship to Wakanda. I for one am growing tired of everything Storm does being tied back to Wakanda. She has her own background and lineage, yet she can't seem to develop her own because she's always in Wakanda. I do realize that most of her current development happened due to the Black Panther storyline, but being in the Black Panther books also puts limitations on her development because everything would always have to be tied to Black Panther and the Wakanda mythos in some way to justify it being in the Black Panther book. If Storm and Black Panther had their own book it would be different, but because it's Black Panther she would always have to play second fiddle or get development and make all Black Panther fans mad LMAO! This is another reason why I'm not necessarily a fan of the couple. I thought it was stupid too that Skybreaker had to be in Wakanda but it was and for reasons that are very clear to all of us.
That being said, what I like about this event and story is that unlike past events and stories where Storm was promised some level of prominence, she's actually been present. She has not been spending most of the time laying on the ground unconscious (Avengers, the biggest let down of my life) or shooting lighting throughout the majority of the event. And whether people think it's a feat or not, I personally feel her victory over Death and doing so much work without her powers has reestablished that Storm is no joke and has resources that go beyond just shooting lightning. All she needs to do now is pick a good lock lol! So that's why even with the foolishness of Skybreaker I feel like this event is more of a win for Storm.[/QUOTE]
Pretty much all this.
[QUOTE=chief12d;5239894]It's possible to think Marauders #13 was dumb and still believe this event didn't deliver, whether we're speaking in terms of Storm specifically or the event as a whole. And it's possible to hold both those beliefs without necessarily associating them, though that's a bit hard to do when Marauders #13 is part of the event lol. In a meta sense we can agree that Skybreaker was more a tool to break Storm and T'Challa up/set up potential conflict, but that doesn't mean one can't scrutinize how it was used in subsequent events in-universe.
There's a legitimate argument to be made it's a bit dumb she stole this all-important sword and damaged an important relationship she had just to barely use to a fraction of its potential and basically do what she could've done with any tough enough sword. I think it undersells the emotional turmoil and that it made for a less compelling fight sequence. I just don't see the point in complaining about that when Skybreaker wasn't designed to make much sense within the narrative of XoS. It's a editorial plot device that won't matter in a few months barring the X-office trying to incorporate more Black Panther drama to fuel Storm's arc. Though it does raise the question of whether it would've been better to break them up another way so Storm's first major role in an DOX event wouldn't be tied to her ex-husband. Seems like a missed opportunity and like I've been saying, if the sword is used a backdoor to have Wakandan politics play a bigger role in DOX then both Storm and T'Challa will be poorer for it.
And taking Skybreaker out the equation I can see why fans would be underwhelmed by her role in this event so far. I think it's been decent, but far from great, but that's what I expected because this isn't the big Storm story allegedly being planned. Many Storm fans valued her relationship with Wakanda and now that's gone. She doesn't exactly look that great for cosigning Wolverine's stupid attempt at killing an omniversal goddess. And while she's been confident there really hasn't been much else to her characterization in this bloated, disjointed series. She's the rather conventional "big gun mother goddess" that she's generally always written as, with a bit more sass than we normally get to see from her. It's a solid 6/10 for me and for a story not focused on her, that's fine. Better than most recent events, but I expect much more next year.[/QUOTE]
Yes that is possible and I also can understand those who are underwhelmed. I do disagree that she could have done what she did with any tough enough sword. Death had a "legendary" sword as well, so who's to say any other sword would have had that effect? Who's to say that any other sword besides Skybreaker could have handled the blows from Death's sword? And as I said in the very same post, it seemed that Storm was damned if she did or didn't because while people are underwhelmed with what she actually did with the sword, they were also offended at the sword being a possible power boost for her too. So what should have been done? I think regardless of how they broke her up it would have been criticized. Honestly, this break up was 10 thousand times better than the mess that happened in AvX lol.
As far as her characterization, I think it's been much better than most of what's been done with her in recent XMen books. We haven't really had a strong, capable, and contributing Storm like this in a long time in the Xbooks. No it's no where near the level she was at in her heyday but it is a bit of redemption and value added to her stock in the Xbooks and that is a good thing. It seems like they are really trying to push to reintegrate the parts of Storm that made her such a formidable character back in the early days into the modern era, hence the connections back to her days as a thief or work without her powers. Overall, she hasn't been used like this in an X Story in quite a while.
I do have a question though? Why are people underwhelmed with her fight with Death? It just occurred to me that most of us were satisfied with her fight with Adversary because it solidified her goddess status. But wasn't that fight over in like one panel (I can't remember clearly) but even though it was epic it wasn't illustrated or narrated in such a way LOL! And even the feat out in space most of us had no clue what she actually did based on the illustrations lol. Just a question.
[QUOTE=Sdawg;5239948]Yes that is possible and I also can understand those who are underwhelmed. I do disagree that she could have done what she did with any tough enough sword. Death had a "legendary" sword as well, so who's to say any other sword would have had that effect? Who's to say that any other sword besides Skybreaker could have handled the blows from Death's sword? And as I said in the very same post, it seemed that Storm was damned if she did or didn't because while people are underwhelmed with what she actually did with the sword, they were also offended at the sword being a possible power boost for her too. So what should have been done? I think regardless of how they broke her up it would have been criticized. Honestly, this break up was 10 thousand times better than the mess that happened in AvX lol.
As far as her characterization, I think it's been much better than most of what's been done with her in recent XMen books. We haven't really had a strong, capable, and contributing Storm like this in a long time in the Xbooks. No it's no where near the level she was at in her heyday but it is a bit of redemption and value added to her stock in the Xbooks and that is a good thing. It seems like they are really trying to push to reintegrate the parts of Storm that made her such a formidable character back in the early days into the modern era, hence the connections back to her days as a thief or work without her powers. Overall, she hasn't been used like this in an X Story in quite a while.
I do have a question though? Why are people underwhelmed with her fight with Death? It just occurred to me that most of us were satisfied with her fight with Adversary because it solidified her goddess status. But wasn't that fight over in like one panel (I can't remember clearly) but even though it was epic it wasn't illustrated or narrated in such a way LOL! And even the feat out in space most of us had no clue what she actually did based on the illustrations lol. Just a question.[/QUOTE]
I'm curious about that too with the fight. It had the most pages. It was well drawn. It was meaningful, it was in character and she won while severely handicapped but it was still believable given the properties of her blade. So would have thought more Storm fans would have seen it as a feat too. It also showed her indomitable will.
[QUOTE=chief12d;5239894]
Many Storm fans valued her relationship with Wakanda and now that's gone.
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Truth be told we do have a lot of Fans that would not be that upset if their relationship were gone. Don’t forget there does exist a large fanbase who don’t care much for the pairing as opposed to those who do.
[QUOTE=Sdawg;5239948]
I do have a question though? Why are people underwhelmed with her fight with Death? It just occurred to me that most of us were satisfied with her fight with Adversary because it solidified her goddess status. But wasn't that fight over in like one panel (I can't remember clearly) but even though it was epic it wasn't illustrated or narrated in such a way LOL! And even the feat out in space most of us had no clue what she actually did based on the illustrations lol. Just a question.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=jwatson;5239967]I'm curious about that too with the fight. It had the most pages. It was well drawn. It was meaningful, it was in character and she won while severely handicapped but it was still believable given the properties of her blade. So would have thought more Storm fans would have seen it as a feat too. It also showed her indomitable will.[/QUOTE]
Honestly??? That’s News too me. I didn’t know some Storm Fans didn’t like the Fight Scenes. I’d say that’s VERY hypocritical of them considering EVERY Storm fan has the fight scene posted on their Twitter Feed, Instagram and Facebook LOL.
But if people are not happy with the fight. I’d like to know what would they want or how do they expect the fight to go down???
[QUOTE=Mah_Boons;5239975]Truth be told we do have a lot of Fans that would not be that upset if their relationship were gone. Don’t forget there does exist a large fanbase who don’t care much for the pairing as opposed to those who do.
Honestly??? That’s News too me. I didn’t know some Storm Fans didn’t like the Fight Scenes. I’d say that’s VERY hypocritical of them considering EVERY Storm fan has the fight scene posted on their Twitter Feed, Instagram and Facebook LOL.
But if people are not happy with the fight. I’d like to know what would they want or how do they expect the fight to go down???[/QUOTE]
It's nice to get some semblance of outside perspective. I really only get my comic stuff here and don't do any other ones so i can't really say how the fight itself is being taken overall with the general storm fans just some of the ones in this community.
[QUOTE=Sdawg;5239948]Yes that is possible and I also can understand those who are underwhelmed. I do disagree that she could have done what she did with any tough enough sword. Death had a "legendary" sword as well, so who's to say any other sword would have had that effect? Who's to say that any other sword besides Skybreaker could have handled the blows from Death's sword? And as I said in the very same post, it seemed that Storm was damned if she did or didn't because while people are underwhelmed with what she actually did with the sword, they were also offended at the sword being a possible power boost for her too. So what should have been done? I think regardless of how they broke her up it would have been criticized. Honestly, this break up was 10 thousand times better than the mess that happened in AvX lol.
As far as her characterization, I think it's been much better than most of what's been done with her in recent XMen books. We haven't really had a strong, capable, and contributing Storm like this in a long time in the Xbooks. No it's no where near the level she was at in her heyday but it is a bit of redemption and value added to her stock in the Xbooks and that is a good thing. It seems like they are really trying to push to reintegrate the parts of Storm that made her such a formidable character back in the early days into the modern era, hence the connections back to her days as a thief or work without her powers. Overall, she hasn't been used like this in an X Story in quite a while.
I do have a question though? Why are people underwhelmed with her fight with Death? It just occurred to me that most of us were satisfied with her fight with Adversary because it solidified her goddess status. But wasn't that fight over in like one panel (I can't remember clearly) but even though it was epic it wasn't illustrated or narrated in such a way LOL! And even the feat out in space most of us had no clue what she actually did based on the illustrations lol. Just a question.[/QUOTE]
That's the point I'm making. It was an arbitrary narrative decision that Skybreaker had to be the sword that broke Death's blade. We have no frame of reference for how strong his sword was prior, so I ask, who's to say that there wasn't a sword besides Skybreaker that could handle what he dished out lol? Most of the swords in this event can cut through metal and stone with ease, so I could easily argue Muramasa could've done what Skybreaker did. And considering she seemed to be outfighting Death anyway I'm under the impression she could've disarmed him altogether, meaning she wouldn't need a blade as strong as Skybreaker anyway. Just one that Death couldn't destroy lol.
But Storm wasn't asked to get Muramasa, she was told to get Skybreaker, which conveniently ended up damaging her relationship with T'Challa. It's relevance and cohesion to the plot is irrelevant because that's not what it was created for. Though I agree it was better than AvX and that there was no way to break them up without some controversy. That said, I highly doubt that many Storm fans would've complained about Storm getting a huge power display with wind and lightning, but channeled through her sword. I think that's what most people were expecting at least until a week before the event turned into an irreverent fairytale contest. Would some have complained, sure, but I think we would've gotten a more compelling and emotional fight out of it, though I respect people thinking it was a great duel.
The fight between her and Death not being as compelling as I anticipated kinda reflects how I've felt about her depiction throughout the event. It's not outright bad, but it's not great either, and that's not comparing it to peak Storm of the 80's or anything. Like I said, it's basic "big gun, mother goddess" Storm with some added sass since this is a rather quip-heavy event. It's what I expect on a consistent basis and because that basic expectation is finally being met I hesitate to call it anything more than "fine". It's like her solo book, a lot of greatest hits, not much new or exciting. We've seen thief Storm, we've seen badass powerless Storm, and while I'm happy to see it, it's the basics and it's serviceable for what it is.
I get why people liked the Adversary battle. He'd been shown to be an actual threat (defeating most of Wakanda's conventional and superpowered defenses) and his defeat fueled Storm's development as a character. It solidified her reconciliation with T'Challa and created a spiritual connection to Wakanda that opened up new storytelling possibilities. She also accepted a piece of herself that she had long been unaware or disinterested in exploring and had a moment where she overcame great (if a bit cliche) mental hardship to rise to the occasion in a way she hadn't in a long time. It was a brief battle but the emotional buildup was substantial. I find it a stronger moment than what she had with Death both in terms of actual scale and narrative pay-off.
[QUOTE=chief12d;5240001]That's the point I'm making. It was an arbitrary narrative decision that Skybreaker had to be the sword that broke Death's blade. We have no frame of reference for how strong his sword was prior, so I ask, who's to say that there wasn't a sword besides Skybreaker that could handle what he dished out lol? Most of the swords in this event can cut through metal and stone with ease, so I could easily argue Muramasa could've done what Skybreaker did. And considering she seemed to be outfighting Death anyway I'm under the impression she could've disarmed him altogether, meaning she wouldn't need a blade as strong as Skybreaker anyway. Just one that Death couldn't destroy lol.
But Storm wasn't asked to get Muramasa, she was told to get Skybreaker, which conveniently ended up damaging her relationship with T'Challa. It's relevance and cohesion to the plot is irrelevant because that's not what it was created for. Though I agree it was better than AvX and that there was no way to break them up without some controversy. That said, I highly doubt that many Storm fans would've complained about Storm getting a huge power display with wind and lightning, but channeled through her sword. I think that's what most people were expecting at least until a week before the event turned into an irreverent fairytale contest. Would some have complained, sure, but I think we would've gotten a more compelling and emotional fight out of it, though I respect people thinking it was a great duel.
The fight between her and Death not being as compelling as I anticipated kinda reflects how I've felt about her depiction throughout the event. It's not outright bad, but it's not great either, and that's not comparing it to peak Storm of the 80's or anything. Like I said, it's basic "big gun, mother goddess" Storm with some added sass since this is a rather quip-heavy event. It's what I expect on a consistent basis and because that basic expectation is finally being met I hesitate to call it anything more than "fine". It's like her solo book, a lot of greatest hits, not much new or exciting. We've seen thief Storm, we've seen badass powerless Storm, and while I'm happy to see it, it's the basics and it's serviceable for what it is.
I get why people liked the Adversary battle. He'd been shown to be an actual threat (defeating most of Wakanda's conventional and superpowered defenses) and his defeat fueled Storm's development as a character. It solidified her reconciliation with T'Challa and created a spiritual connection to Wakanda that opened up new storytelling possibilities. She also accepted a piece of herself that she had long been unaware or disinterested in exploring and had a moment where she overcame great (if a bit cliche) mental hardship to rise to the occasion in a way she hadn't in a long time. It was a brief battle but the emotional buildup was substantial. I find it a stronger moment than what she had with Death both in terms of actual scale and narrative pay-off.[/QUOTE]
Storm wasn't outfighting Death. It literally wasn't until she broke Death's sword with Skybreaker that the odds turned in her favor, which is why I argue she needed that specific sword. The introduction of Skybreaker is no different that any other introduction of any new element in comic book history. Are there other things that could possibly have done the same things, possibly, but for whatever the story intends new things are introduced and that specific sword was needed. I guess we are making the same point but maybe arguing the effects of the plot device. I don't think it was useless. I think it did what was intended and it's importance was also demonstrated in the fight.
And maybe I'm thinking too much of this forum, but had Storm channeled her powers through the sword there would have been a huge uproar here lol. People were already complaining about this possibility basically insinuating that Marvel once again took away Storm's goddess status to give her another Stormcaster. People here were NOT happy with that idea at all. So it was nice that it didn't happen that way. However, given it didn't happen that way, I'm surprised at the reaction to it not happening that way lol. As I said, they were damned if they did or if they didn't.
I can accept your points about Adversary, however, the complaints seemed to be about the literal fight itself. It seemed people wanted an epic and long drawn out fight and were disappointed that Storm defeated Death in a "cliched" way. However people seemed much more satisfied with the fight between Storm and Adversary and Storm based on the the pictures just literally just blew Adversary away lol! So in terms of the actual fight, I don't understand how that was much more thrilling other than it certified Storm's status as a goddess and gave her an impressive feat beating Adversary. People also went crazy about the space feat and most of us couldn't even understand what happened from the pictures. So I'm speaking specifically of the fight itself. I get the importance of the Adversary fight to the narrative. I made a whole tribute post about it on my social media LMAO!!!
[QUOTE=jwatson;5239991]It's nice to get some semblance of outside perspective. I really only get my comic stuff here and don't do any other ones so i can't really say how the fight itself is being taken overall with the general storm fans just some of the ones in this community.[/QUOTE]
I guess I'm in this boat too. Thanks for the wider perspective. It did seem like on many of the YouTube review channels that fans were thrilled with the fight.
[QUOTE=jwatson;5239991]It's nice to get some semblance of outside perspective. I really only get my comic stuff here and don't do any other ones so i can't really say how the fight itself is being taken overall with the general storm fans just some of the ones in this community.[/QUOTE]
Oh ok I understand. Well, I’m just shocked that’s all.
[QUOTE=Sdawg;5240017]Storm wasn't outfighting Death. It literally wasn't until she broke Death's sword with Skybreaker that the odds turned in her favor, which is why I argue she needed that specific sword. The introduction of Skybreaker is no different that any other introduction of any new element in comic book history. Are there other things that could possibly have done the same things, possibly, but for whatever the story intends new things are introduced and that specific sword was needed. I guess we are making the same point but maybe arguing the effects of the plot device. I don't think it was useless. I think it did what was intended and it's importance was also demonstrated in the fight.
And maybe I'm thinking too much of this forum, but had Storm channeled her powers through the sword there would have been a huge uproar here lol. People were already complaining about this possibility basically insinuating that Marvel once again took away Storm's goddess status to give her another Stormcaster. People here were NOT happy with that idea at all. So it was nice that it didn't happen that way. However, given it didn't happen that way, I'm surprised at the reaction to it not happening that way lol. As I said, they were damned if they did or if they didn't.
I can accept your points about Adversary, however, the complaints seemed to be about the literal fight itself. It seemed people wanted an epic and long drawn out fight and were disappointed that Storm defeated Death in a "cliched" way. However people seemed much more satisfied with the fight between Storm and Adversary and Storm based on the the pictures just literally just blew Adversary away lol! So in terms of the actual fight, I don't understand how that was much more thrilling other than it certified Storm's status as a goddess and gave her an impressive feat beating Adversary. People also went crazy about the space feat and most of us couldn't even understand what happened from the pictures. So I'm speaking specifically of the fight itself. I get the importance of the Adversary fight to the narrative. I made a whole tribute post about it on my social media LMAO!!![/QUOTE]
She dodged an attack and deflected another, creating distance between them and leaving him open for an overhead strike. It looked like she was winning or at the very least not losing the entire time. So yea, I think if she had any blade that could withstand the Black Bone of Amduat she would've been fine, but that's obviously a hypothetical. Skybreaker wasn't needed for that specific fight, it was needed to break Storm and T'Challa up, it was useless as an actual narrative object because any blade they introduced could've done what that did given how it was used. But agree to disagree, given everything it had been shown able to do, using an arbitrary characteristic every sword in the tournament has (hard to break) seems like a waste. Not a bad fight but lacking the compelling action and emotionality of other Storm moments.
I don't disagree some would have complained, but I think you're overstating how irrational Storm fans (on this forum and others) can be lol. I've been wrong about that in the past but from everything we've seen the blade channels and enhances whatever energy is flowed through it, so if she put out massive amounts of energy she'd still be doing most of the work, the blade would just add to it a bit and channel it into strikes. Seems like a harmless thing to explode over, especially since given the mystical connections, the blade arguably would've enhanced her divine abilities if they wanted to go that route. Not replace them, but I'll concede how a handful of people would've taken it as an insult lol.
The complaints about the Death fight are rooted in how the event itself was billed, a swordfight, and the lack of compelling character work. People's expectations were that there'd be a mixture of powers and swords and that didn't exactly happen in most fights so the duel suffers from some people's deflated anticipation. They crossed blades like 3 times and Storm wins by doing the tropey "use the death stare against the villain" thing that's literally been done since the days of Ancient Greece lol. Storm and Adversary had more substantial buildup and actually followed through what people expected, Storm asserting her godhood in a big display of power while moving through the emotional turmoil of her relationship with T'Challa, Wakanda, and her own bloodline.
In visual mediums, it's not uncommon for the fights with the most emotional impact to be the most popular, even if they're not the most snazzy. Plenty of (if not most) Star Wars fans prefer the fights from the original trilogy over the prequels, despite not having as many kicks, flips, and force powers. But there was psychological and thematic tension there that made the duels more powerful, and Storm's fight against Adversary is similar. It wasn't big or drawn out, it was heavy with character building, which nearly always trumps basic fight scenes.
[QUOTE=chief12d;5240038]She dodged an attack and deflected another, creating distance between them and leaving him open for an overhead strike. It looked like she was winning or at the very least not losing the entire time. So yea, I think if she had any blade that could withstand the Black Bone of Amduat she would've been fine, but that's obviously a hypothetical. Skybreaker wasn't needed for that specific fight, it was needed to break Storm and T'Challa up, it was useless as an actual narrative object because any blade they introduced could've done what that did given how it was used. But agree to disagree, given everything it had been shown able to do, using an arbitrary characteristic every sword in the tournament has (hard to break) seems like a waste. Not a bad fight but lacking the compelling action and emotionality of other Storm moments.
I don't disagree some would have complained, but I think you're overstating how irrational Storm fans (on this forum and others) can be lol. I've been wrong about that in the past but from everything we've seen the blade channels and enhances whatever energy is flowed through it, so if she put out massive amounts of energy she'd still be doing most of the work, the blade would just add to it a bit and channel it into strikes. Seems like a harmless thing to explode over, especially since given the mystical connections, the blade arguably would've enhanced her divine abilities if they wanted to go that route. Not replace them, but I'll concede how a handful of people would've taken it as an insult lol.
The complaints about the Death fight are rooted in how the event itself was billed, a swordfight, and the lack of compelling character work. People's expectations were that there'd be a mixture of powers and swords and that didn't exactly happen in most fights so the duel suffers from some people's deflated anticipation. They crossed blades like 3 times and Storm wins by doing the tropey "use the death stare against the villain" thing that's literally been done since the days of Ancient Greece lol. Storm and Adversary had more substantial buildup and actually followed through what people expected, Storm asserting her godhood in a big display of power while moving through the emotional turmoil of her relationship with T'Challa, Wakanda, and her own bloodline.
In visual mediums, it's not uncommon for the fights with the most emotional impact to be the most popular, even if they're not the most snazzy. Plenty of (if not most) Star Wars fans prefer the fights from the original trilogy over the prequels, despite not having as many kicks, flips, and force powers. But there was psychological and thematic tension there that made the duels more powerful, and Storm's fight against Adversary is similar. It wasn't big or drawn out, it was heavy with character building, which nearly always trumps basic fight scenes.[/QUOTE]
I wouldn't say she winning the fight. If anything she was definitely on the defensive until the sword shattered. However, I respect where you're coming from. I agree it could have been any sword theoretically but the writers decided to make that particular sword important and it served it's purpose in both the function of creating tension and in the fight. I think the issue is if they properly executed the importance of it to the reader and I guess this is where we differ. If this were the Claremont days where everything was verbally explained I would say no. But given the current climate of comics I don't see a problem in its execution.
The sword zapping was a problem on the forum due to the breakup of Storm and Wakanda and the interpretation of the prophecy that Storm was not a goddess, which some people interpreted (perhaps correctly) that the X Office was simply trying to undo everything that Coates had done. They had reason to believe this because Guggenheim trolled Coates very often especially by bringing back Stormcaster and denouncing Storm's godhood literally at the same time that Coates revealed her to be one. So I get the panic and outrage. I'm just surprised that, at least up until now, Skybreaker has not been Stormcaster 2 but has still been met with a somewhat cold response. Ironically, it seems they are upset she didn't do more with the sword lol. Of course, this is partially due to the stakes she put in to get the sword so I get it but still it's quite an interesting dynamic. It may also be a cross section with general disappointment at least on the forum with the event as a whole. (I do believe though that the event has been received quite well in general though.)
Yes, I do think people are genuinely disappointed about the lack of sword fights. That being said, Storm's fight was definitely one of the better represented ones. I also agree with your assessment about how emotional impact matters, however, I think that's a bit of a high expectation in these duels considering that Adversary was the main/only villain in a long story arc and here we have a whole slew of characters we know very little about other than that they are supposed to be bad ass lol. The only ones that have enough emotional content to make that type of fight happen is perhaps Apocalypse and Genesis and to me that's pushing it a bit because we still don't know a whole lot about Genesis. So to expect that from a Storm fight in this event to me is a very high expectation. Given her status in the story, I think the fight was pretty fair.
Is it weird that the Mauraders issue says Skybreaker and shoot energy, but that function wasn't used, especially since Storm couldn't use her powers?
[QUOTE=Sdawg;5239856]I think most people here realize that lol. I think the difference is how that event is coloring the experience people are having with the rest of the events of the story. Because some people think the premise is stupid, then the entire story is stupid and they are entitled to that opinion. I also hated the Skybreaker piece but not because of the effects on Storm's relationship to Wakanda. I for one am growing tired of everything Storm does being tied back to Wakanda. She has her own background and lineage, yet she can't seem to develop her own because she's always in Wakanda. I do realize that most of her current development happened due to the Black Panther storyline, but being in the Black Panther books also puts limitations on her development because everything would always have to be tied to Black Panther and the Wakanda mythos in some way to justify it being in the Black Panther book. If Storm and Black Panther had their own book it would be different, but because it's Black Panther she would always have to play second fiddle or get development and make all Black Panther fans mad LMAO! This is another reason why I'm not necessarily a fan of the couple. I thought it was stupid too that Skybreaker had to be in Wakanda but it was and for reasons that are very clear to all of us.
That being said, what I like about this event and story is that unlike past events and stories where Storm was promised some level of prominence, she's actually been present. She has not been spending most of the time laying on the ground unconscious (Avengers, the biggest let down of my life) or shooting lighting throughout the majority of the event. And whether people think it's a feat or not, I personally feel her victory over Death and doing so much work without her powers has reestablished that Storm is no joke and has resources that go beyond just shooting lightning. All she needs to do now is pick a good lock lol! So that's why even with the foolishness of Skybreaker I feel like this event is more of a win for Storm.[/QUOTE]
This post has so much wrong with it. But I'm just going to address the ones I have an issue with.
The XBooks have done nothing with her and refuse to enrich her , her past and mythos. Many are great ful for her stint in Black Panther , cause she actually got fleshed out. And now once she been return to the xofffice, they still don't know what to do her to the point, the only thing they know how to do is either rehash or exploit her Wakandian connection, base of the recent Black panther franchise success. And still won't build upon the character. And this constant playing second fiddle thing is so stupid when she literally has to fight for screen, panel time, From a team cast of hundreds.
Yea they made her a omgea whoopit due we've been known this. What about her windriderahip. Her being princess. Her family, her villian. Heck , alchem el jabar could of been made appearance. Yuriko .
[QUOTE=Cville;5240481]Is it weird that the Mauraders issue says Skybreaker and shoot energy, but that function wasn't used, especially since Storm couldn't use her powers?[/QUOTE]
I try not to think too much about since Storm will never use the Sword again.
[QUOTE=Mah_Boons;5240546]I try not to think too much about since Storm will never use the Sword again.[/QUOTE]
I’m hoping she does. Its small enough to be a big knife for her to carry on the regular (along with her secreted lock picks). And, since its no really needed just yet (but could be helpful in other stories), that she just uses it as a srandard edge weapon and not leverage the energy channeling/amping attribute of the blade.
[QUOTE=Wind Rider;5240556]I’m hoping she does. Its small enough to be a big knife for her to carry on the regular (along with her secreted lock picks). And, since its no really needed just yet (but could be helpful in other stories), that she just uses it as a srandard edge weapon and not leverage the energy channeling/amping attribute of the blade.[/QUOTE]
Oh I Agree.
I don’t mind Storm having Weapons. People seem to forget Storm is a master Marksman and Skilled in using Weapons. That’s why I had no problem with Stormcaster. But your right using Stormbreaker would open many story development. I rather Storm keep it. But if she must give it back then I won’t lose sleep about it. Just have her fly over to Wakanda and throw in T’Challa’s face. Lol
[QUOTE=Sdawg;5240113]I wouldn't say she winning the fight. If anything she was definitely on the defensive until the sword shattered. However, I respect where you're coming from. I agree it could have been any sword theoretically but the writers decided to make that particular sword important and it served it's purpose in both the function of creating tension and in the fight. I think the issue is if they properly executed the importance of it to the reader and I guess this is where we differ. If this were the Claremont days where everything was verbally explained I would say no. But given the current climate of comics I don't see a problem in its execution.
The sword zapping was a problem on the forum due to the breakup of Storm and Wakanda and the interpretation of the prophecy that Storm was not a goddess, which some people interpreted (perhaps correctly) that the X Office was simply trying to undo everything that Coates had done. They had reason to believe this because Guggenheim trolled Coates very often especially by bringing back Stormcaster and denouncing Storm's godhood literally at the same time that Coates revealed her to be one. So I get the panic and outrage. I'm just surprised that, at least up until now, Skybreaker has not been Stormcaster 2 but has still been met with a somewhat cold response. Ironically, it seems they are upset she didn't do more with the sword lol. Of course, this is partially due to the stakes she put in to get the sword so I get it but still it's quite an interesting dynamic. It may also be a cross section with general disappointment at least on the forum with the event as a whole. (I do believe though that the event has been received quite well in general though.)
Yes, I do think people are genuinely disappointed about the lack of sword fights. That being said, Storm's fight was definitely one of the better represented ones. I also agree with your assessment about how emotional impact matters, however, I think that's a bit of a high expectation in these duels considering that Adversary was the main/only villain in a long story arc and here we have a whole slew of characters we know very little about other than that they are supposed to be bad ass lol. The only ones that have enough emotional content to make that type of fight happen is perhaps Apocalypse and Genesis and to me that's pushing it a bit because we still don't know a whole lot about Genesis. So to expect that from a Storm fight in this event to me is a very high expectation. Given her status in the story, I think the fight was pretty fair.[/QUOTE]
She was dodging and parrying his strikes, I'd say at worst they were even. If she did an overhead strike with Muramasa, even if it didn't shatter Death's blade I think there's a strong argument that she would still be able to fight, especially since she only seemed to be getting stronger as time went on. She went from dodging all the way to redirecting his attacks and controlling the flow of combat, all without using these so-called special abilities that include producing energy/lightning. I think it's fairly obvious any sword with the structural integrity could've done that, but agree to disagree. It wasn't Skybreaker because it served a plot purpose, it was Skybreaker because it served a greater editorial purpose, otherwise if they wanted to complete the buildup from Marauders #13 they would've showed other features. So I agree it fulfilled it's purpose editorially but didn't quite live up to expectations narratively.
Skybreaker was lukewarmly received by some Storm fans because of the story surrounding its creation and the contrivance of its retrieval. That and looking at X-Force, it didn't quite show itself to be anymore impressive than any other hypothetical blade could've been. Relative to how it had originally been depicted, of course. Stormcaster gets a worse rep because of how it was clearly used to deemphasize Coates' work on another book and that's at least something worth complaining about lol. For Skybreaker it's kinda just... there. And I echo the sentiments of others that it probably won't matter past this event, unless it's used to create drama between Krakoa and Wakanda.
Like I said, my expectations were always low and those expectations were met. People who were expecting an Adversary-level moment for Storm were setting themselves up for disappointment because it was clearly stated by the editor this wasn't Storm's big story. That comes next year (allegedly). So on that basis alone, I agree it's not fair to compare her fight with Death versus her fight with Adversary. They were two entirely different contexts, but you asked why Storm fans had a stronger, more unified response to the latter and I think it comes down to emotional buildup and narrative potential. Her fight with Death was never gonna be as grand or complex, which is fine if people accept not every Storm battle is gonna be some huge, eye-opening affair.
[QUOTE=Cville;5240481]Is it weird that the Mauraders issue says Skybreaker and shoot energy, but that function wasn't used, especially since Storm couldn't use her powers?[/QUOTE]
Skybreaker's use in the actual story was never supposed to make sense. It's an editorial tool to break her and T'Challa up and any other function it had is secondary. So it is a bit deflating that it wasn't used to it's full potential, but think about it. If we didn't get an idea of its potential and relevance to Wakandan lore then it wouldn't have been good for its actual purpose.
If it was just a short sword some random BP created no one would've cared. So making it the "Voice of the Heavens", giving it semi-mystical energy projection, and making it the basis of Wakandan prosperity was just building hype for a tool that won't matter in a few months. Unless they need to incorporate more T'Challa into DOX when Storm needs something to do lol.
Baby I know y'all love to discuss Storm but I can't be reading all these novels y'all be writing on here and try to engage. I'ma come back later lol
Like the second half of this event...Skybreaker is irrelevant.
Storm is an OL mutant she really doesn't need any "accessories" like swords and hammers and other such obvious plot contrivances, to fight with.
And this is (one of) my main issue with this entire event. For as useless as the swords themselves have been to the bearers and the plot specifically Tini and Co. could have just as well left them out entirely or not given them such prominence, and left it as solely Tarot related.
The writers all got carried away and had too many contributing ideas and JDW and Hix-Man were too afraid to say "No...let's keep it simple and straightforward, please".
And here we are...overcooked, over-seasoned, soup, that's still boiling over on the stove and making a godawful mess in the kitchen.
[QUOTE=Devaishwarya;5240624]Like the second half of this event...Skybreaker is irrelevant.
Storm is an OL mutant she really doesn't need any "accessories" like swords and hammers and other such obvious plot contrivances, to fight with.
And this is (one of) my main issue with this entire event. For as useless as the swords themselves have been to the bearers and the plot specifically Tini and Co. could have just as well left them out entirely or not given them such prominence, and left it as solely Tarot related.
The writers all got carried away and had too many contributing ideas and JDW and Hix-Man were too afraid to say "No...let's keep it simple and straightforward, please".
And here we are...overcooked, over-seasoned, soup, that's still boiling over on the stove and making a godawful mess in the kitchen.[/QUOTE]
Hellions is the one part I really enjoy. If the stove is boiling over, Hellions is the crescent rolls in the the toaster over at a perfect golden brown.
[QUOTE=Cville;5240681]Hellions is the one part I really enjoy. If the stove is boiling over, Hellions is the crescent rolls in the the toaster over at a perfect golden brown.[/QUOTE]
Fragrant and mouthwatering.
OMGoddess...yes eh! Absofekkinlutely!
[QUOTE=Cville;5240681]Hellions is the one part I really enjoy. If the stove is boiling over, Hellions is the crescent rolls in the the toaster over at a perfect golden brown.[/QUOTE]
Mmmm Biscuits......:o
[QUOTE=chief12d;5240587][B]Skybreaker's use in the actual story was never supposed to make sense.[/B] It's an editorial tool to break her and T'Challa up and any other function it had is secondary. So it is a bit deflating that it wasn't used to it's full potential, but think about it. If we didn't get an idea of its potential and relevance to Wakandan lore then it wouldn't have been good for its actual purpose.
If it was just a short sword some random BP created no one would've cared. So making it the "Voice of the Heavens", giving it semi-mystical energy projection, and making it the basis of Wakandan prosperity was just building hype for a tool that won't matter in a few months. Unless they need to incorporate more T'Challa into DOX when Storm needs something to do lol.[/QUOTE]
[COLOR="#000080"]They use it for making sandwiches and cutting hard cheese.[/COLOR]
[QUOTE=BlkGldBlu;5240532]This post has so much wrong with it. But I'm just going to address the ones I have an issue with.
The XBooks have done nothing with her and refuse to enrich her , her past and mythos. Many are great ful for her stint in Black Panther , cause she actually got fleshed out. And now once she been return to the xofffice, they still don't know what to do her to the point, the only thing they know how to do is either rehash or exploit her Wakandian connection, base of the recent Black panther franchise success. And still won't build upon the character. And this constant playing second fiddle thing is so stupid when she literally has to fight for screen, panel time, From a team cast of hundreds.
Yea they made her a omgea whoopit due we've been known this. What about her windriderahip. Her being princess. Her family, her villian. Heck , alchem el jabar could of been made appearance. Yuriko .[/QUOTE]
I too am thankful for the development she received in BP. I'm just tired of everything linking back to Wakanda (even Skybreaker) in regards to her character. Even if that development hasn't happened in the XBooks, there isn't much room to explore that in BP because the book has to remained centered on Black Panther and Wakanda.
[QUOTE=chief12d;5240582]Skybreaker was lukewarmly received by some Storm fans because of the story surrounding its creation and the contrivance of its retrieval. That and looking at X-Force, it didn't quite show itself to be anymore impressive than any other hypothetical blade could've been. Relative to how it had originally been depicted, of course. Stormcaster gets a worse rep because of how it was clearly used to deemphasize Coates' work on another book and that's at least something worth complaining about lol. For Skybreaker it's kinda just... there. And I echo the sentiments of others that it probably won't matter past this event, unless it's used to create drama between Krakoa and Wakanda.
Like I said, my expectations were always low and those expectations were met. People who were expecting an Adversary-level moment for Storm were setting themselves up for disappointment because it was clearly stated by the editor this wasn't Storm's big story. That comes next year (allegedly). So on that basis alone, I agree it's not fair to compare her fight with Death versus her fight with Adversary. They were two entirely different contexts, but you asked why Storm fans had a stronger, more unified response to the latter and I think it comes down to emotional buildup and narrative potential. Her fight with Death was never gonna be as grand or complex, which is fine if people accept not every Storm battle is gonna be some huge, eye-opening affair.[/QUOTE]
I can agree with all of this lol.
[QUOTE=metalclouds;5240608]Baby I know y'all love to discuss Storm but I can't be reading all these novels y'all be writing on here and try to engage. I'ma come back later lol[/QUOTE]
LMAO! This is my favorite post lmao!
[QUOTE=Devaishwarya;5240624]Like the second half of this event...Skybreaker is irrelevant.
Storm is an OL mutant she really doesn't need any "accessories" like swords and hammers and other such obvious plot contrivances, to fight with.
And this is (one of) my main issue with this entire event. For as useless as the swords themselves have been to the bearers and the plot specifically Tini and Co. could have just as well left them out entirely or not given them such prominence, and left it as solely Tarot related.
[/QUOTE]
I kind of agree with this too. It definitely would have made things more straightforward but I also wonder if they just thought having the XMen wield swords would be cool lol.
[QUOTE=Cville;5240681]Hellions is the one part I really enjoy. If the stove is boiling over, Hellions is the crescent rolls in the the toaster over at a perfect golden brown.[/QUOTE]
This is definitely the most correct statement. That book has been the most interesting part of the whole event. That last book! OMG.
Double post (can you delete?)
[QUOTE=metalclouds;5240608]Baby I know y'all love to discuss Storm but I can't be reading all these novels y'all be writing on here and try to engage. I'm a come back later lol[/QUOTE]
Lol it was waring my eyes out trying to read all of them. Some good stuff. If anything (good or bad) this event definitely impacted the fandoms.
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This actually made me think because i see comments about how when Storm needs story they pull in wakanda and i really wonder where people are getting that. It seems everytime BP needs a reboot or wakanda to be saved Storm is the one who is pulled in. On every occassion Storm was with Tchalla it was his franchise trying to claim her no vice versa. The x-franchise has loosely respected it but i can't think of one story where they were trying to pull for Storm they thought Wakanda, not even her solo. This sword thing was pulled to end them not start something.
[QUOTE=Wind Rider;5241349]Lol it was waring my eyes out trying to read all of them. Some good stuff. If anything (good or bad) this event definitely impacted the fandoms.[/QUOTE]
Ya know I really do try to be concise but looking back at this thread I see what you mean lol. I'm a verbose guy in general though I agree 100% this is an interesting time for Storm and it's cool to see people's opinions on where she's going as a character.