Ororo Munroe: Storm Appreciation 2020

[QUOTE=butterflykyss;4857660]akili did though boo. so my point still stands deary.[/QUOTE]

I just corrected you that Shuri didn't say Goddess at all, to which your actually point was that Shuri did. That's not True. Then I tell you it was only Akili(Which you didn't know until I just said it) now your switching your tune LOL to save your point.
So, no your point doesn't stand.

[QUOTE=butterflykyss;4857654]it was a typo love I'm doing this from a cellphone. anyway...

earthquakes can be explained when you understand her powerset. earth, water, air, all contain atoms which contain within them electrons. she theoretically could and should be able to manipulate earth from this. that said, controlling energy is not going to cause the plants to accelerate in growth like they did this issue. those are two different things happening.

the only way I think you can classify this as omega is if you can now claim she has the ability to manipulate plants as a part of that classification. I dont think Hickman would agree that her abilities as omega would including being a plant manipulator.[/QUOTE]

So how do you explain the times when Storm was able to sense a dying Tree?

I think the problem is that you keep focusing to much on the plants and not actually what she did which is the reason why it's being compared to being a Omega feat.

[QUOTE=stormphoenix;4857730]You point doesn't stand. Because you're wrong when you said it was Shuri, but now your trying save your point after I said Akili said it first. And that was BEFORE Storm's feat.

So, no your point doesn't stand.[/QUOTE]

coates through akili made mention of ororo being a goddees prior to us seeing her perform her feat. my point most definitely stands. check the images that dropped in the preview if you forgot.

Storm has always been Goddess First Mutant second.

Before Chris Clearmont Selene there was Len Wein and artist Dave Cockrum Ororo :The Goddess of Life and the Elements.

She was born with White hair Blue eyes first. It was only later her Mutant gift manifest.

[QUOTE=butterflykyss;4857735]coates through akili made mention of ororo being a goddees prior to us seeing her perform her feat. my point most definitely stands. check the images that dropped in the preview if you forgot.[/QUOTE]

LOL Now you're trying to cover up. That is NOT what you said. You said and I Quote "shuri literally stating that storm is a goddesss before doing the feat" that is not true. Your point does not stand becuase you just a few min ago just made up something and NOW your trying to change it after the fact I corrected you saying it was Akili AFTER Storm did her feat.

I think you need to go back and check what you actually said.....

Trying to wrap my head around today's BP. How much of what she did was a feat. Was it due to how many ship there was ,their size, distance, ? Or the fact she pulled this stunt in space? The plants?

[QUOTE=stormphoenix;4857730]I just corrected you that Shuri didn't say Goddess at all, to which your actually point was that Shuri did. That's not True. Then I tell you it was only Akili(Which you didn't know until I just said it) now your switching your tune LOL to save your point.
So, no your point doesn't stand.



So how do you explain the times when Storm was able to sense a dying Tree?

I think the problem is that you keep focusing to much on the plants and not actually what she did which is the reason why it's being compared to being a Omega feat.[/QUOTE]

storm has always had an emphatic relationship to the planet and living things that resides on it. this is why she was rejected when returned from space and felt "cold" when attempting to use her powers. That said even with this rapport she still wasnt able to directly manipulate the plant life or the tree she sensed dying.

Ororo performed multiple acts that fall within her powerset and others that didnt in today's issue of BP. Just because she is in goddess mode doesnt mean she cant use her powers as she normally would. I think that is the part you are missing. However, you cant give her feats that dont fall under her normal powerset simply because she did other things that. Controlling plants are not a part of her normal mutant level powerset and Yoga also referenced an alternate version where goddess storm was able to manipulate plants. just saying

[QUOTE=BlkGldBlu;4857780]Trying to wrap my head around today's BP. How much of what she did was a feat. Was it due to how many ship there was ,their size, distance, ? Or the fact she pulled this stunt in space? The plants?[/QUOTE]

Just read butterflykyss spoilers. Thanks it kinda helps.i didn't think she was EMPing them . I thought she physically taking control of their climate which is their life support.

[QUOTE=stormphoenix;4857778]LOL Now you're trying to cover up. That is NOT what you said. You said and I Quote "shuri literally stating that storm is a goddesss before doing the feat" that is not true. Your point does not stand becuase you just a few min ago just made up something and NOW your trying to change it after the fact I corrected you saying it was Akili AFTER Storm did her feat.

I think you need to go back and check what you actually said.....[/QUOTE]

who said it does matter. what matters is that she was described as such before using her powers.

[QUOTE=BlkGldBlu;4857810]Just read butterflykyss spoilers. Thanks it kinda helps.i didn't think she was EMPing them . I thought she physically taking control of their climate which is their life support.[/QUOTE]

yes boo you're welcome. I dont think it was emp. I saw it as directly affecting the climate within the vessels. that's why she talks about microclimates I believe.

[QUOTE=butterflykyss;4857782]

[B]Ororo performed multiple acts that fall within her powerset and others that didnt in today's issue of BP. [/B] Just because she is in goddess mode doesnt mean she cant use her powers as she normally would. I think that is the part you are missing. However, you cant give her feats that dont fall under her normal powerset simply because she did other things that. Controlling plants are not a part of her normal mutant level powerset and Yoga also referenced an alternate version where goddess storm was able to manipulate plants. just saying[/QUOTE]

I understand growing plants isn't part of her power set we ALL know that. But what she actually did can be categorized as something else other than Godhood.

This goes BACK to my intial point. People who want to categorize this feat as Omega or Godhood wouldn't be wrong in their Decision because I can see how they would think it can be whichever they choose. And their answer is acceptable. That's what you're missing.


You know what forget it. Sure, Kyss whatever you say.

[QUOTE=butterflykyss;4857832]yes boo you're welcome. I dont think it was emp. I saw it as directly affecting the climate within the vessels. that's why she talks about microclimates I believe.[/QUOTE]

I hoping she was going to rip the atmosphere from the ships to therefore come apart and be destroyed, but hey. And as great as it was it seem kinda useless when he just summoned a whole new set like it was nothing.

[QUOTE=stormphoenix;4857843]I understand growing plants isn't part of her power set we ALL know that. But what she actually did can be categorized as something else other than Godhood.

This goes BACK to my intial point. People who want to categorize this feat as Omega or Godhood wouldn't be wrong in their Decision because I can see how they would think it can be whichever they choose. And their answer is acceptable. That's what you're missing.[/QUOTE]

I can't argue with this , but I do want to point out she she has empathic relationship to plant and animals. To the point she can sense dying trees cause animals to flees certain areas. Made earthquakes and volcanoes erupt.
I don't see Storm getting all poison ivy on us. But I wouldn't bat an eye if trees started bearing fruit and flowers blooms at her present.

[QUOTE=stormphoenix;4857843]I understand growing plants isn't part of her power set we ALL know that. But what she actually did can be categorized as something else other than Godhood.

This goes BACK to my intial point. People who want to categorize this feat as Omega or Godhood wouldn't be wrong in their Decision because I can see how they would think it can be whichever they choose. And their answer is acceptable. That's what you're missing.


You know what forget it. Sure, Kyss whatever you say.[/QUOTE]

what can it be categorized as exactly? what in her powerset as an omega mutant would allow her to grow plants without watering them? we seen her many times talk to her plants, water them when they are thirsty, and as you said even sense when they die. But when has she manipulated them?

You can have godhead encompass omega stuff but not vice verse. Sefako/Adversary has already proven this point.

[QUOTE=BlkGldBlu;4857855]I hoping she was going to rip the atmosphere from the ships to therefore come apart and be destroyed, but hey. And as great as it was it seem kinda useless when he just summoned a whole new set like it was nothing.[/QUOTE]

let me make an amendment to my previous summary. I originally thought she shut done the power to the ships causing the life support system to be loss. but I think that is incorrect. I believe what happened as you allowed to is that she essentially took control of the individual environments making it hot while removing the things they needed to sustain their life support, which is why they were unable to breathe.

[QUOTE=BlkGldBlu;4857872]I can't argue with this , [b]but I do want to point out she she has empathic relationship to plant and animals.[/b] To the point she can sense dying trees cause animals to flees certain areas. Made earthquakes and volcanoes erupt.
I don't see Storm getting all poison ivy on us. But I wouldn't bat an eye if trees started bearing fruit and flowers blooms at her present.[/QUOTE]

exactly and having this relationship of an empath allows for her to feel their emotions. it has nothing to do with the literal manipulation them as she does the weather.

[QUOTE=BlkGldBlu;4857780]Trying to wrap my head around today's BP. How much of what she did was a feat. Was it due to how many ship there was ,their size, distance, ? Or the fact she pulled this stunt in space? The plants?[/QUOTE]


For me, it's everything you mentioned. I would've, however, liked more panels to show the breadth of what she did. It shifted too quickly to N'Jadaka opening portals for more of his ships to come through. Because that transition happened so quickly, I felt I wasn't given enough time to let the magnitude of what Ororo did sink in. It was no small feat but it almost came off as such with the fast response of ten (or however many) more ships.

[QUOTE=GuiltyPleasure;4857928]For me, it's everything you mentioned. I would've, however, liked more panels to show the breadth of what she did. It shifted too quickly to N'Jadaka opening portals for more of his ships to come through. Because that transition happened so quickly, I felt I wasn't given enough time to let the magnitude of what Ororo did sink in. It was no small feat but it almost came off as such with the fast response of ten (or however many) more ships.[/QUOTE]

we need to petition for these books to have more pages lololol

i love plant control so ADD IT UP, imagine ororo's lighting strike sites opening the earth so she can make plants grow in those marks since lightning interacts with plants in such a fascinating way

[QUOTE=butterflykyss;4857931]we need to petition for these books to have more pages lololol[/QUOTE]

Too true. One less page with Nakia would've done it. There. Fixed. Another page with Goddess Storm. :)

[QUOTE=Ferro;4857936]i love plant control so ADD IT UP, imagine ororo's lighting strike sites opening the earth so she can make plants grow in those marks since lightning interacts with plants in such a fascinating way[/QUOTE]

if I had my way she would be able to call aspects of nature, plants animals, humans, weather everything. I'm here for this!!!

[QUOTE=butterflykyss;4857941]if I had my way she would be able to call aspects of nature, plants animals, [B]humans[/B], weather everything. I'm here for this!!![/QUOTE]

Ororo the hoemancer

hello, I think Storm was affecting plants via florakinesis, I mean she would probably be able to develop that kind of power due to her relationship with the environment and her other elemental powers, she wouldn't even need to be an omega-level mutant to use this power, as was shown something simple making the plants grow which in my opinion she wouldn’t need to be in God mode or even be using her powers at the omega level, for me she only used one skill apart from weather manipulation .

[QUOTE=Ferro;4858023]Ororo the hoemancer[/QUOTE]

I see what you did there lol

[QUOTE=HeraldOfStorm;4858069]hello, I think Storm was affecting plants via florakinesis, I mean she would probably be able to develop that kind of power due to her relationship with the environment and her other elemental powers, she wouldn't even need to be an omega-level mutant to use this power, as was shown something simple making the plants grow which in my opinion she wouldn’t need to be in God mode or even be using her powers at the omega level, for me she only used one skill apart from weather manipulation .[/QUOTE]

welcome to the thread beloved!!! marvel truly delivered for us today

hi Kyss we haven't talked since what happened in the CV, today really was the best day of the year for Ororo.

[QUOTE=HeraldOfStorm;4858095]hi Kyss we haven't talked since what happened in the CV, today really was the best day of the year for Ororo.[/QUOTE]

oh yea lol smh the mods there hate me some hate me here too but thankfully I'm still kicking at least for now. spread the good news there too beloved!!!!

send the girls there my love!!!

[QUOTE=butterflykyss;4858104]oh you were on CV??? the mods there hate me some hate me here too but thankfully I'm still kicking at least for now. spread the good news there too beloved!!!!

send the girls there my love!!![/QUOTE]

I'm "WaitOmegaStorm", we are all aware of Storm's good feats today.

[QUOTE=HeraldOfStorm;4858114]I'm "WaitOmegaStorm", we are all aware of Storm's good feats today.[/QUOTE]

yes I figured that might be you!! hey boooo!!! welcome aboard!!!!!

[QUOTE=butterflykyss;4858116]yes I figured that might be you!! hey boooo!!! welcome aboard!!!!![/QUOTE]

Thanks!!!!

[QUOTE=BlkGldBlu;4857872]I can't argue with this , but I do want to point out she she has empathic relationship to plant and animals. To the point she can sense dying trees cause animals to flees certain areas. Made earthquakes and volcanoes erupt.
I don't see Storm getting all poison ivy on us. But I wouldn't bat an eye if trees started bearing fruit and flowers blooms at her present.[/QUOTE]

Thank you somebody gets it. LOL.

[QUOTE=HeraldOfStorm;4858126]Thanks!!!![/QUOTE]

you're welcome make sure you post here more often.

Ok, so remember, on the page notes about omegas, Hickman stated that omega mutants may often display more than one power, but only one power is omega level. So like Jean is telepathic and telekinetic, but only an omega level telepath. Or like Exodus has lots of different powers, but only his TK is omega level. So maybe Ororo concentrating on manipulating the artificial environments of so many ships spread over a large distance just made her radiate a lot of life force energy, so the nearby plants were stimulated secondarily. Not by her main omega power of weather manipulation(which we know is not exactly what she does), but rather, her secondary ability to detect and manipulate life force energy.

Like I said before, it's really on Coates to specify her 'godhead' abilities, which after all this time, he has not done in the slightest.

In any case, here's the alternate Storm I was talking about:

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She restored her planet instantly from scorched desert to lush and vegetated in a moment. Bow down to the goddess!

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[QUOTE=yogaflame;4858209]Ok, so remember, on the page notes about omegas, Hickman stated that omega mutants may often display more than one power, but only one power is omega level. So like Jean is telepathic and telekinetic, but only an omega level telepath. Or like Exodus has lots of different powers, but only his TK is omega level. So maybe Ororo concentrating on manipulating the artificial environments of so many ships spread over a large distance just made her radiate a lot of life force energy, so the nearby plants were stimulated secondarily. Not by her main omega power of weather manipulation(which we know is not exactly what she does), but rather, her secondary ability to detect and manipulate life force energy.

Like I said before, it's really on Coates to specify her 'godhead' abilities, which after all this time, he has not done in the slightest.

In any case, here's the alternate Storm I was talking about:

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She restored her planet instantly from scorched desert to lush and vegetated in a moment. Bow down to the goddess!

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I'm all for speculation when the writer doesnt tell us what is happening. But Coates, since Ororo was revealed to be a goddess, has been using that term - goddess- whenever hes describing her abilities. He even mentioned early on that her godhead goes much deeper than her mutation. So to collectively group this to some form of secondary mutation - ×while arguably makes sense - doesn't gel in the slightest to the stories he been telling since Ororo was revealed to be a goddess. As another close friend pointed out, storm's godhead was triggered again in shuri and all she did was shoot lightning and create a vortex of wind. Simply, Goddess Ororo can and should be able to do anything she normally would do as a mutant but the reverse isnt true.

That said, I wasn't convinced there was much difference between what she could do with the eceptiom of utilizing divine energy when in god mode but today has revealed that she has a deeper ability via her godhead to manipulate plants or at least create an environment where they can grow to their most optimal form. I would love more direct details to exactly what she can do as a god but he has provided us some detail of this. We know it's her blood right and she is powered by faith. Shes described as a bigger god than Adversary/Sefako and if we are to take coates for how she was literally described prior to executing the feat, she can manipulate plantlife.


I loved that version of Storm. Coates seems to be bringing the two closer together :)

[QUOTE=Wind Rider;4857004]Oooooo weee! That sounds awesome & juicy! Supreme master Atmokinetic![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=butterflykyss;4857294]So I will reveal the Storm specific spoilers for the issues that matter in the order I read them. The first book was BP and the second Giant Size.

Black Panther
[spoil]
This issue starts in the past, showing us how Nakia first joined the rebels fighting against N'Jadaka. The issue then jumps to the present where we see Nakia and her forces protecting the gate that will send Njadaka and his fleet directly to Wakanda prime.

We then jump to the ship Shuri is commanding, where Ororo is also located. Shuri tells Hodari that Ororo has more to give and we then see Ororo meditating (while levitating) in a close quarters room. Behind her we see several newly grown plants behind her. The scene then cuts to Killmonger and Njadaka were they have an internal discussion about their plans ( Njadaka consciousness resides within Killmonger). Njadaka then comments on it getting hot.


We then get a flashback Nyami (I believe this is her name) reveals she doesnt trust Nakia and wants to know why she joined the rebels. It immediately cuts back to the current battle and the Shuri and her forces are nearing defeat. We see Ororo again meditating and the flowers behind her have noticeably and significantly grown. Nakia's able to take down some targets but she needs more time before she make another attack. This is where Shuri tells storm its time. The plants have now completely almost covered the room where we only see ororos face.

Storm is then shown explaining what she has been doing. She explains she has been building a rapport with all the energies of Njadakas fleets and its life support, and its microclimates. I would add I think she was connecting with all the energies of the this part of the galaxy and she needed more time to specifically target Njadakas fleets. Ororo effectively manipulates the environment removing the conditions they need to sustain life on tNjadaka ships resulting in the life support alarm to be triggered; however, Njadaka is able to survive the assault. Nakia then reveals she was intended to spy the rebels for Njadaka but after fighting with them she grew to support their cause. She then seemingly sacrifices herself to prevent Njadaka and his fleet from going through the gate.

Now to what Storm specifically did. I dont see this as her simply using her mutant power. Shes never been shown to be able to cause plants to grow, especially at the rate we see here. Shuri keeps commenting on ororo being a goddess and I believe her tapping into her godhead, the energies that emanated from her resulted in this rapid growth. I will say I would believe she could do the attack she did on all the fleets using her own power; however, I think the plant growth and Shuris dialogue before we see Storm in action are meant to show us were seeing goddess storm in action


I also want to add I was right about Nakia being a spy lol[/spoil]


Giant Size
[spoil]

The issue starts with two mutant children noticing and eruption of power. They discover that it is storm. Emma and Jean both walk past Logan and Scott to enter a chamber where Ororo is laying. They both enter into her mind. We then see them appear before a baobab tree with ororos headdress hovering above it. Its tranquil and serene but Ororos mind senses a threat and tries to repel it. Jean and Emma proceed deeper into her mind.

Jean and Emma appear before two protectors of Ororos mind that appear in a form of a white manned lion and a white lioness. (From talking to fellow storm friends this is a callback to Marvel Teamup 100 where Tchalla refers to Ororo as his white haired lioness). The lions look at Jean and Emma. Jean let's them know they are friends. However the lions first have to test this. They first look at jean and Ororos embrace of Jean when she returned from the dead in Inferno. The male lion smiles. The lioness then looks at Emma, and their battle where Storm zaps Emma after Ororo successfully returns to her body when Emma stole it is shown. Emma shrugs her shoulder like I dont know what to tell you boo (which I found to be funny). The lions then turn to snakes and attack both Jean and Emma. This is a pure display of her mental defenses being able to combat two telepaths as powerful as them. The snakes bat away Jean and focus on taking out Emma who has to turn diamond to prevent herself from being killed. Jean then successfully takes away the anger Ororo has for Emma, and reveals Ororo strength and inner beauty (willpower) which appears in the form of a elephant with butterfly wings. It then carries them both to the baobab tree where they enter it.

They both attempt to go deeper in her mind but ororo still resist where they both are buried alive in complete darkness. This again is a testament to Ororos willpower being able to resist their efforts to enter her mind. They both use their powers together and they are able to break free. They then go deeper until they see a resurrection pod. They pull a flower from the broken pod and fully naked storm appears. She then immediately starts to decay, where a timer is displayed on her forehead. Ororo cries out to them asking them to save her via lightning. Jean and Emma embrwce storm. They then leave her mind and the chamber where they tell scott and Logan she only has 30 days to live[/spoil]

These issues both were so amazing to me as a storm fan!!! I simply have been blown away by how great they both were. Coates and Hickman truly outdid themselves. Coates expounded on the power that is the goddess and showed just how dangerous she can be while doing yoga bitches!!! Hickman showed us the beauty and power of Ororos mind. We saw glimpses of those things she values through several past events in canon. That was something I truly valued the most from the issue but we also saw her strength in will to resist Jean and Emma in the way she did. And the art was AMAZING!!! I couldnt ask for anything more!!!



this was an amazing week for storm fans!!!!!! Coates adding another layer to Ororos ability. Hickman showing us the beauty and power of Ororos mind!!! I simply am on cloud 9!!!



when has Weather manipulating storm been able to cause plants to grow at the rate at which they did? How would her power as a mutant even allow that ?

I respectfully disagree. I most definitely think her mutant abilities could replicate the same thing we saw with the attacks on the ship; however, I dont think it takes away from what occurred. The plants- to me at least - clearly is the indicator there is something more going on than just her mutant power .[/QUOTE]

Nice! Thank you both for getting me through until I got my books. Checking out BP now & GSXM now. Will respond later with my thoughts on Storm. I am loving the GSXM art. Her mental defenses are well represented and formidable! And my initial BP impression (love the way Coates is writing BP and handling the warrior women in the book) is that the rapid plant growth may be a byproduct of her atmospheric manipulation, but is much more than likely a representation of the power of Hadari Yao. I’m not sure what to make if the significance, but if Coates is looking for a creative way to represent her divine power over nature in a way that is distinguishable from her weather manipulation this is a great way.

also how do we think ororo will deal with the new virus?
will it be another brood egg moment, or perhaps her godhood will make her rebirth something special?

Emma just can't stop being a bitch even when she tying to help...lol

[B][U]Password:[/U][/B] Examples of Friendship

[B]Jean:[/B] The moment we saw each other during Inferno.

[B]Emma:[/B] That time I stole her body...

[QUOTE=LordAllMIghty;4858485]Emma just can't stop being a bitch even when she tying to help...lol

[B][U]Password:[/U][/B] Examples of Friendship

[B]Jean:[/B] The moment we saw each other during Inferno.

[B]Emma:[/B] [B]That time I stole her body...[/B][/QUOTE]

I thought that was funny. And what was more funny is that the Lion turned into a Snake. I thought that symbolized as Emma being a Snake.......HAHAHAHAHA

[QUOTE=stormphoenix;4858493]I thought that was funny. And what was more funny is that the Lion turned into a Snake. I thought that symbolized as Emma being a Snake.......HAHAHAHAHA[/QUOTE]

LOL. I had the same thought about the snake. Emma was being honest about her and Ororo's general relationship with each other, so lying wouldn't have been a good idea. She had to offer something up but yikes, why that part of their history?

[QUOTE=stormphoenix;4858493]I thought that was funny. And what was more funny is that the Lion turned into a Snake. I thought that symbolized as Emma being a Snake.......HAHAHAHAHA[/QUOTE]

Didn't even think about the snake representing Emma. Lol

[QUOTE=GuiltyPleasure;4858530]LOL. I had the same thought about the snake. Emma was being honest about her and Ororo's general relationship with each other, so lying wouldn't have been a good idea. She had to offer something up but yikes, why that part of their history?[/QUOTE]

I wonder what would happen if they lied.

ALSO, I liked how Storm's Mind is also actively saving them too:
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You can see how the Tree attacks them and a HUGE BOLT protects them and then we see Storm(I THINK it's her Godhead watching over them) protects them.

So, i'm going out on a limb as Storm is trying to fight off this Virus.

I took[B] that[/B] as a sign of her godhead. It was literally a giant head forming from space around the focus of her diadem(the symbol of her time as goddess before the X-Men).

Divine.

Same here....