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[QUOTE=stormphoenix;4869856]OH OK...NIce, but.....are they Good? Have you read them?
Oh, yes. I'll be waiting.
What did I TELLS YOU BOY!!!
Take..HIM..BACK!!![/QUOTE]
Ironheart is good after issue 3 or so for me. Eve took a few issues to get her comic legs. Champions hasn't started, but I think some previews are available. Look for it after Outlawed.
[QUOTE=stormphoenix;4870123]LOL Pssh well it aint US.....HAHA[/QUOTE]
lol very true.
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Put some respect on Coates name. Ororo wouldn't even be an omega had not Coates changed the narrative for this character.
lol! 3 pages out of 4 years.
And Hickman made her Omega, not Coates. And she's been 'almost' or 'possible' Omega since Claremont's work. Come on now.
[QUOTE=yogaflame;4870135]Beating Adversary isn't that impressive. And neither was getting some space ships hot(she's done similar or better in the past anyways). And it took 4 years of rape camps and symbiotes to get there? Nah, I'm good.
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defeating adversary isnt impressive when the combined might of the xmen couldnt do a thing to him without sacrificing their lives and even still it didnt keep him locked away?
the same entity who easily defeated roma? you talk as if we are talking about her beating spiderman.
and I know you dont like Coates but dont minimize the feat to simply heating ships. She obtained communion with all the energies of the galaxy including those on the ship. You have not seen a writer, including hickman, do something of the sort since Claremont.
but continue enjoying her welcoming reborn xmen back from the dead while she takes orders from kitty and emma. I'm sure you prefer that to her being a goddess showcasing her abilities as it align to canon.
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[QUOTE=yogaflame;4870144]lol! 3 pages out of 4 years.
And Hickman made her Omega, not Coates. And she's been 'almost' or 'possible' Omega since Claremont's work. Come on now.[/QUOTE]
you do realize there was lot more to coates storm than those three pages right? also, the book is called black panther not storm featuring the wakandan. storm fans should be thankful for the stuff he included because he didnt have to. Coates changed changed the trajectory of the character as it relates to the discussion of her power. It's funny how you tried to cast BP 21 as an omega feat (when there was never a discussion of her being an omega mutant in his books) yet it is farfetched to believe her reveal as a real goddess back in 2017 couldnt have been a contributing factor to her reveal by Hickman she was an omega in 2019? oh ok... gothca!
Adversary has only been in like, 3 stories, and in 2/3 of them, Forge essentially solos him. Adversary is a minor demon, he's not even a real god.
Claremont had Storm taking down Brood ships with cosmic lightning back in the 80's, and she didn't need 5 issues to charge up. Even Hudlin had Storm knocking space ships out with a thought.
Coates can't write competitively in the comics medium. I hope they don't saddle Ororo with him on her solo. Marauders is not Storm at her best, but I will say it's more entertaining that what Coates manages. Let Hickman do his thing on Storm's Giant Size issue and then we can reassess the situation.
[QUOTE=butterflykyss;4870151]defeating adversary isnt impressive when the combined might of the xmen couldnt do a thing to him without sacrificing their lives and even still it didnt keep him locked away. and I know you dont like Coates but dont minimize the feat to heating ships. She obtained communion with all the energies of the galaxy including those on the ship. You have not seen a writer, including hickman, do something odd the sort since Claremont.
but continue enjoying her welcoming reborn xmen back from the dead while she takes orders from kitty and emma.
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Yeah, I think the defeat of Adversary IS an impressive feat.
Actually, how it played out on panel was anticlimactic and not really on par for how big of a feat it truly is. To your point, the Adversary is a team level, (really a reality level threat). For Storm to one shot him, while impressive, was still somehow a little bit of a let down. This gets to my point of why Coates is a boring writer. He didn't put the emphasis on the fight between the two and that's the excitement lies. For her to blast him with lightning and for that to be the end of things is like
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HAHAHAHA Get him together Yogaflame. LOL.
[QUOTE=yogaflame;4870156]Adversary has only been in like, 3 stories, and in 2/3 of them, Forge essentially solos him. Adversary is a minor demon, he's not even a real god.
Claremont had Storm taking down Brood ships with cosmic lightning back in the 80's, and she didn't need 5 issues to charge up. Even Hudlin had Storm knocking space ships out with a thought.
Coates can't write competitively in the comics medium. I hope they don't saddle Ororo with him on her solo. Marauders is not Storm at her best, but I will say it's more entertaining that what Coates manages. Let Hickman do his thing on Storm's Giant Size issue and then we can reassess the situation.[/QUOTE]
Forge didnt solo him when the fought in their initial encounter. He had to sacrifice his soul, as well as the other xmen, to lock him away. Roma even tells them he can never be destroyed so I'm not sure how you can come to such a conclusion considering you knowledge of canon.
No it wasnt brood ships beloved. it was a brood ship and she did it with the help of the acanti that was restoring her body.
he cant write competeviely as you say yet marvel thinks differently as he was allowed to write multiple books over 3 years starting back in 2017 and is still writing Captain America. There is also no telling what other books he may write. creative teams come and go that is just the nature of the beast. if it was an issue with his writing marvel would have let him go but yet hes still on their payroll.
And I figured you would find mauraders more entertaining and that's ok. I just prefer a storm written as a black empowered goddess shown as the big gun instead of a woman who babysits kitty and takes order from emma.
[QUOTE=Stormrocks;4870166]Yeah, I think the defeat of Adversary IS an impressive feat.
Actually, how it played out on panel was anticlimactic and not really on par for how big of a feat it truly is. To your point, the Adversary is a team level, (really a reality level threat). For Storm to one shot him, while impressive, was still somehow a little bit of a let down. This gets to my point of why Coates is a boring writer. He didn't put the emphasis on the fight between the two and that's the excitement lies. For her to blast him with lightning and for that to be the end of things is like
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it very much is impressive and anyone who is saying otherwise is being disingenuous. adversary isnt a street level villain. hes a demon god of chaos.
at any rate, storm was a bigger god so a drawn out fight where they battled back and forth would have contradicted that claim. if you actually think about the xmen original encounter with him it was more or less the same. the ending just didnt require anyone to sacrifice their lives in order to seal him away in a portal.
Adversary lowball :(
Forge did not sacrifice his soul in that feat, he sacrificed the souls of the X-Men, which was only in replication of him sacrificing the souls of his lost platoonmates from Vietnam which is what he used to summon the demon in the first place. There was another Adversary story in X-Factor in the 90's and Forge essentially takes care of him alone(by combining his mystical and technological abilities) when it came down to it.
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Storm incinerating Brood ship[B]s[/B] before the Acanti show up.
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Coates has shed over 200k readers over the course of his run. The most recent issues of BP are barely breaking 15k. He's not a competitive writer.
I don't really like Marauders, I think it's pretty trashy over all, but it is more [I]entertaining[/I] than Coates waxing bs for 4 years and accomplishing nothing but making Wakanda some sort of self-destroying quagmire.
[QUOTE=HeraldOfStorm;4870185]Adversary lowball :([/QUOTE]
It really isn't. Adversary is a powerful threat and a Problem, but he isn't a God and can be beaten by Metal of any form and can be beat by any Powerful Magic. Basically, Dr. Strange, Dr. Voodoo, Scarlet Witch and Magik could really solo the guy if they REALLY got serious.
Hell Dr. Doom can beat Adversary. Shit if Forge is someohow able to best this Powerful Reality Warping Demon all the time? I don't see why the people I listed can't.
[QUOTE=yogaflame;4870202]Forge did not sacrifice his soul in that feat, he sacrificed the souls of the X-Men, which was only in replication of him sacrificing the souls of his lost platoonmates from Vietnam which is what he used to summon the demon in the first place. There was another Adversary story in X-Factor in the 90's and Forge essentially takes care of him alone(by combining his mystical and technological abilities) when it came down to it.
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Storm incinerating Brood ship[B]s[/B] before the Acanti show up.
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Coates has shed over 200k readers over the course of his run. The most recent issues of BP are barely breaking 15k. He's not a competitive writer.
I don't really like Marauders, I think it's pretty trashy over all, but it is more [I]entertaining[/I] than Coates waxing bs for 4 years and accomplishing nothing but making Wakanda some sort of self-destroying quagmire.[/QUOTE]
I was referring to this encounter:
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and I cant recall the time forge fought him the second time. I know he embraced his mystical side as he was for beating him with science but even still he came back years later . as roma said he cant be destroyed.
ato the storm scan, that was only two ships. Ororo took over multiple fleets that were attacking with njadaka spread across a vastly larger area than the one you showed.
Marvel disagrees with you about him not being competitive as he is still on the payroll.
As I said, if you find what duggan is doing in Mauraders more entertaining you're most entitled to that.
[QUOTE=stormphoenix;4870217]It really isn't. Adversary is a powerful threat and a Problem, but he isn't a God and can be beaten by Metal of any form and can be beat by any Powerful Magic. Basically, Dr. Strange, Dr. Voodoo, Scarlet Witch and Magik could really solo the guy if they REALLY got serious.
Hell Dr. Doom can beat Adversary. Shit if Forge is someohow able to best this Powerful Reality Warping Demon all the time? I don't see why the people I listed can't.[/QUOTE]
he has a weakness towards metal. he cant be beaten by it.
[QUOTE=butterflykyss;4870229]he has a weakness towards metal. he cant be beaten by it.[/QUOTE]
With a Weakness like such, i'm willing to bet he probably would be beaten as such.
[QUOTE=stormphoenix;4870232]With a Weakness like such, i'm willing to bet he probably would be beaten as such.[/QUOTE]
he cant be beaten by metal. he simply regenerates. if that were the case the xmen would have done so when they first encountered him instead of sacrificing their lives to save earth.
Notice in that feat, Forge is doing all the work.
Coates is on the payroll for like, a couple more months. He already got the pink slip. They are being nice to let him finish his run, but the numbers have been cancellation level for several months now.
[QUOTE=butterflykyss;4870175]it very much is impressive and anyone who is saying otherwise is being disingenuous. adversary isnt a street level villain. hes a demon god of chaos.
at any rate, storm was a bigger god so a drawn out fight where they battled back and forth would have contradicted that claim. if you actually think about the xmen original encounter with him it was more or less the same. the ending just didnt require anyone to sacrifice their lives in order to seal him away in a portal.[/QUOTE]
And here is where are going to disagree. You claim Storm is a bigger god - how so? We don't know enough about her godhood to make that claim. Adversary capture and subdued Roma who is the guardian of all reality. I am not sure you can support your claim that Storm is a bigger guide without more evidence.
I'll also disagree that a drawn out fight would somehow diminish Storm's godhood or stance as a so called bigger god. It actually could have supported your claim if we saw Adversary's attacks as ineffective against her. As it is, what we got was a let down for the size of the feat that it truly is.
[QUOTE=Stormrocks;4870242]And here is where are going to disagree. You claim Storm is a bigger god - how so? We don't know enough about her godhood to make that claim. Adversary capture and subdue Roma who is the guardian of all reality. I am not sure you can support your claim that Storm is a bigger guide without more evidence.
I'll also disagree that a drawn out fight would somehow diminish Storm's godhood or stance as a so called bigger god. It actually could have supported your claim if we saw Adversary's attacks as ineffective against her. As it is, what we got was a let down for the size of the feat that it truly is.[/QUOTE]
Tchalla described her as such in the issue leading up to the final battle. I'm assuming Tchalla knows a lot more in regards to her godhead which is why he made such a claim. So I'm not saying that, I'm quoting what Tchalla said in the issue.
Well let's recall how the battle played out. Tchalla, Shuri, Thunderball, the Wakandan Mages, Storm, etc. were all fighting him and they had no luck in putting a dent in him. So there was a back and forth, Ororo just didnt tap into her divine powers. Also, Adversery didnt have a chance to attack her once Ororo blasted him. But we can agree to disagree here. If Tchalla calls her a bigger god only for him to shrug off her attack and follow it up with additional attacks that statement wouldnt ring true.
[QUOTE=butterflykyss;4870236]he cant be beaten by metal. he simply regenerates. if that were the case the xmen would have done so when they first encountered him instead of sacrificing their lives to save earth.[/QUOTE]
Hmm true. But still I mean it's always a possibility head end up getting beatin by that weakness later down the line.
[QUOTE=Stormrocks;4870242]And here is where are going to disagree. You claim Storm is a bigger god - how so? We don't know enough about her godhood to make that claim. Adversary capture and subdued Roma who is the guardian of all reality. I am not sure you can support your claim that Storm is a bigger guide without more evidence.
I'll also disagree that a drawn out fight would somehow diminish Storm's godhood or stance as a so called bigger god. It actually could have supported your claim if we saw Adversary's attacks as ineffective against her. As it is, what we got was a let down for the size of the feat that it truly is.[/QUOTE]
Alright, someone has some Brains. LOL that is exactly why I said Coates needs to develop this Goddess Storm Concept. I keep going back to what this Storm Fan said. I'm paraphrasing "Goddess Storm is Story Plot"
I agree, her fight with Adversary was actually VERY LAME. She became Lightning Lass in God Form -_- LOL. If the fight were to be dranw out I think we would actually see how powerful a Goddess Storm is. Instead of us guess what's the difference between an Omega Mutant and a God. Becuase right now? we as Storm fans seem to be struggling to tell the difference.
[QUOTE=yogaflame;4870239]Notice in that feat, Forge is doing all the work.
Coates is on the payroll for like, a couple more months. He already got the pink slip. They are being nice to let him finish his run, but the numbers have been cancellation level for several months now.[/QUOTE]
Roma and the other heroes were helping forge leading up to that scan but their souls were ultimately claimed by Adversary. Forge in embracing both the mystical and technological aspects of himself allowed him to restore order, thus resulting in his defeat. However, in returning the souls to all who had fallen and locking him away once again forge comments he cant be destroyed so I'm not sure how you can conclude beating him wasnt impressive, especially seeing he had defeated Roma the daughter of Merlin.
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[QUOTE=stormphoenix;4870261]Hmm true. But still I mean it's always a possibility head end up getting beatin by that weakness later down the line.
Alright, someone has some Brains. LOL that is exactly why I said Coates needs to develop this Goddess Storm Concept. I keep going back to what this Storm Fan said. I'm paraphrasing "Goddess Storm is Story Plot"
I agree, her fight with Adversary was actually VERY LAME. She became Lightning Lass in God Form -_- LOL. If the fight were to be dranw out I think we would actually see how powerful a Goddess Storm is. Instead of us guess what's the difference between an Omega Mutant and a God. Becuase right now? we as Storm fans seem to be struggling to tell the difference.[/QUOTE]
it hasnt happened the four times he has appeared. so I dont think your assumptions are correct.
also I'm not struggling to tell the difference.
[QUOTE=nj06;4869973]That would be great. She is [B][I]long[/I][/B] overdue for another solo. June will also feature the last issue of Coates on Black Panther so perhaps these are signs.[/QUOTE]
Yes, Ororo is. I'm down for a well written Storm solo. A gifted AA female writer at the helm with stellar art would be amazing.
[QUOTE=GuiltyPleasure;4870318]Yes, Ororo is. I'm down for a well written Storm solo. A gifted AA female writer at the helm with stellar art would be amazing.[/QUOTE]
have you read any of ironheart? I'm not familiar with Ewing's work.
Ironheart is great and I say this as someone who doesn't like the Stark-inspired sides of the Marvel Universe.
[QUOTE=butterflykyss;4870324]have you read any of ironheart? I'm not familiar with Ewing's work.[/QUOTE]
Nope. I've never heard of the woman until she was mentioned here. After that, I did look her up. She's a bright woman.
[QUOTE=Strong Girl Daken;4870326]Ironheart is great and I say this as someone who doesn't like the Stark-inspired sides of the Marvel Universe.[/QUOTE]
I may have to check this out thank you boo. I dont like that side either to be frank lol
[QUOTE=GuiltyPleasure;4870330]Nope. I've never heard of the woman until she was mentioned here. After that, I did look her up. She's a bright woman.[/QUOTE]
yea I checked her out as well and she is very bright and pretty too.
[COLOR="#000080"]Yes....yes....!!! The Coates has already begun to work his insideous malfeseance into the hearts of the Followers of the Storm! The infection has begun.
Soon, uncontrollable bouts of rage will ensue as The Coates lays his seeds of utter and devastating destruction! And Krakoa will be helpless to save them.[/COLOR]
[QUOTE=Marvell2100;4870446][COLOR="#000080"]Yes....yes....!!! The Coates has already begun to work his insideous malfeseance into the hearts of the Followers of the Storm! The infection has begun.
Soon, uncontrollable bouts of rage will ensue as The Coates lays his seeds of utter and devastating destruction! And Krakoa will be helpless to save them.[/COLOR][/QUOTE]
My chickens are already working against you
[QUOTE=CookieOnTsunami;4870459]My chickens are already working against you[/QUOTE]
[COLOR="#000080"]That's okay. Bring your chickens.
I brought a chickenhawk.[/COLOR]
[QUOTE=CookieOnTsunami;4870459]My chickens are already working against you[/QUOTE]
your chickens always prevail!
If we get a Storm solo, I would like for Nezhno to be in the series. I always liked his relationship with Storm and would like for her to take him under her wing. His ties to Wakanda are also a plus for me too. I also want to know who else was on the "Storm Squad" besides Nezhno back when the students were all assigned to the veterans.
[QUOTE=nj06;4870605]If we get a Storm solo, I would like for Nezhno to be in the series. I always liked his relationship with Storm and would like for her to take him under her wing. His ties to Wakanda are also a plus for me too. I also want to know who else was on the "Storm Squad" besides Nezhno back when the students were all assigned to the veterans.[/QUOTE]
where has nehzno been? has he appeared in the post Hickman books?
also I love it "Storm Squad." I think tchalla would make a good second member on S squared. I would love for tchalla to appear regularly as a counsel to Ororo ensuring she doesnt get too lost in the world of Krakoa and doesnt lose her connection with humanity.
[QUOTE=butterflykyss;4870620]where has nehzno been? has he appeared in the post Hickman books?
also I love it "Storm Squad." I think tchalla would make a good second member on S squared. I would love for tchalla to appear regularly as a counsel to Ororo ensuring she doesnt get too lost in the world of Krakoa and doesnt lose her connection with humanity.[/QUOTE]
I don't know what's happened to Nezhno. I assume he's on Krakoa somewhere. I too would like for T'Challa to appear in a Storm solo and in a positive role.
[QUOTE=nj06;4870960]I don't know what's happened to Nezhno. I assume he's on Krakoa somewhere. I too would like for T'Challa to appear in a Storm solo and in a positive role.[/QUOTE]
I could get behind all of this. I liked Nezhno under Hudlin. I even thought there was potential for a Nezhno/Shuri pairing.
[QUOTE=GuiltyPleasure;4871287]I could get behind all of this. I liked Nezhno under Hudlin. I even thought there was potential for a Nezhno/Shuri pairing.[/QUOTE]
Hudlin never wrote Nezhno? Unless he was in background art. If he had, he probably would have adjusted his backstory. Lol.
[QUOTE=Cville;4871620]Hudlin never wrote Nezhno? Unless he was in background art. If he had, he probably would have adjusted his backstory. Lol.[/QUOTE]
Nezhno and all other mutants not created by Black Panther writers should be removed from the mythos. He’s a trash character who fits in better with the X-Men rather than being some aide to T’Challa.
[QUOTE=chief12d;4871638]Nezhno and all other mutants not created by Black Panther writers should be removed from the mythos. He’s a trash character who fits in better with the X-Men rather than being some aide to T’Challa.[/QUOTE]
I take it you dont like hadari yao either?
I guess there is no storm news today.