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[QUOTE=Micabe;5081420]I fairly certain Stark has long since incorporated countermeasures into his armor to prevent EMP base attacks from shutting him down.[/QUOTE]
EMP shielding have limits. A strong enough EMP can bypass Iron Man's suit. Magneto has proven that more then once.
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[QUOTE=LordAllMIghty;5081719]EMP shielding have limits. A strong enough EMP can bypass Iron Man's suit. Magneto has proven that more then once.[/QUOTE]
this is exactly what I thought but sp mentioned an endo suit. if an omega level mutant wanted to destroy his suit with lightning or an emp im sure she would do it.
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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5081708]where is this from I've never seen it?[/QUOTE]
It’s from “marvel adventures Avengers” shes dose a lot more in theses avengers comics then in actual x-men comics lol
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[QUOTE=Weathergodsson;5081758]It’s from “marvel adventures Avengers” shes dose a lot more in theses avengers comics then in actual x-men comics lol��[/QUOTE]
OK that explains it lol. I think I recall her opening a portal or something in that run too right?
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[QUOTE=Dipter;5081463]The overuse of lightning is a big pet peeve of mine. It's super lame how uninspired writers are when it comes to showcasing Storm in combat, especially nowadays. All it takes is one quick google search to see the different types of damage weather can cause.[/QUOTE]
Yeah it makes it hard to be get excited for any comic she’s in when you know she’s just gonna shoot a few lighting bots in one panel then never be seen again the rest of the issue. Huh sad
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[QUOTE=Weathergodsson;5081763]Yeah it makes it hard to be get excited for any comic she’s in when you know she’s just gonna shoot a few lighting bots in one panel then never be seen again the rest of the issue. Huh sad[/QUOTE]
right I'm so over yhe unimaginative writing. its not like she is cyclops or colossus or one of the other one trick pony girls. no shade but our gurl should be doing a lot more than just lightning.
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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5081762]OK that explains it lol. I think I recall her opening a portal or something in that run too right?[/QUOTE]
No I don’t recall that’s definitely something I’d remember
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[QUOTE=Weathergodsson;5081769]No I don’t recall that’s definitely something I’d remember[/QUOTE]
let me see if I can find the issue I'm talking about
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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5081767]right I'm so over yhe unimaginative writing. its not like she is cyclops or colossus or one of the other one trick pony girls. no shade but our gurl should be doing a lot more than just lightning.[/QUOTE exactly She has a power for every problem you can think of the writers just dont want to think of them lol she should be as unbeatable as Magneto at this point he has one power but whoops everyone I just don’t get it.
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[QUOTE] exactly She has a power for every problem you can think of the writers just dont want to think of them lol she should be as unbeatable as Magneto at this point he has one power but whoops everyone I just don’t get it.[/QUOTE]
I don't want her to be unbeatable but I would love to see her use her powers in a creative way in combat.
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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5081692]does he have a suit that stops her from attacking him internally? or inside the suit? I think not.[/QUOTE]
I didn’t say he did.
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[QUOTE=stormphoenix;5081803]I didn’t say he did.[/QUOTE]
I never said you did. I was asking those questions rhetorically.
[QUOTE=Weathergodsson;5081777] exactly She has a power for every problem you can think of the writers just dont want to think of them lol she should be as unbeatable as Magneto at this point he has one power but whoops everyone I just don’t get it.[/QUOTE]
I think there is evidence this may be turning around. remember she downed magneto with lightning when he was a horseman and she, as a horseman, beat all the xmen. let's see what Hickman has in store for her.
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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5081811]I never said you did. I was asking those questions rhetorically.
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Gotcha. I was confused as to why you were asking me that.
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[QUOTE=stormphoenix;5081835]Gotcha. I was confused as to why you were asking me that.[/QUOTE]
no problem fantomex better be good tomorrow. or else!!
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[QUOTE=LordAllMIghty;5081789]I don't want her to be unbeatable but I would love to see her use her powers in a creative way in combat.[/QUOTE]
Ororo is stated to be a full fledged Goddesses -- who in the multiverse can't she beat?
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[QUOTE=Micabe;5081868]Ororo is stated to be a full fledged Goddesses -- who in the multiverse can't she beat?[/QUOTE]
gods/goddesses stronger than her.
certainly none of the commoners she interacts with on Krakoa. aside from storm the only confirmed gods on Krakoa are siryn and selene.
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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5081869]gods/goddesses stronger than her.[/QUOTE]
But, I heard it said here many, many times that her powers were on par with Eternity's.
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[QUOTE=Micabe;5081877]But, I heard it said here many, many times that her powers were on par with Eternity's.[/QUOTE]
really? can you actually quote who said that?
I would love to see you find that quote especially since it was said many times, right?
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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5081878]really? can you actually quote who said that?[/QUOTE]
Nope! Can't say that I can...
[QUOTE]I would love to see you find that quote especially since it was said many times, right?[/QUOTE]
But, if I recall correctly the discussion[COLOR="#A9A9A9"](s)[/COLOR] usually revolved around the time she played host to Eternity's consciousness.
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[QUOTE=Micabe;5081889]Nope! Can't say that I can...
But, if I recall correctly the discussion[COLOR="#A9A9A9"](s)[/COLOR] usually revolved around the time she played host to Eternity's consciousness.[/QUOTE]
I don't believe anyone said her power was on par with eternity. that was a feat regarding her willpower/strength of spirit which is what was probably discussed whenever it was brought up
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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5081900]I don't believe anyone said her power was on par with eternity. that was a feat regarding her willpower/strength of spirit which is what was probably discussed whenever it was brought up[/QUOTE]
Fair enough... I stand corrected.
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[QUOTE=Micabe;5081913]Fair enough... I stand corrected.[/QUOTE]
no worries beloved. have you read the stories of the Hadari Yao?
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My Marvel Comics collection consists of 35,723 books [COLOR="#A9A9A9"](and counting)[/COLOR] -- If Ororo is in it I'm sure I have at some point and can so again anytime I want.
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[QUOTE=Micabe;5081923]My Marvel Comics collection consists of 35,723 books [COLOR="#A9A9A9"](and counting)[/COLOR] -- If Ororo is in it I'm sure I have at some point and can so again anytime I want.[/QUOTE]
oh wow that's a pretty extensive collection. the Hadari Yao stuff that discusses her divinity is relative new and the BP books. just curious if you liked the story there or not.
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While Ororo is the descendant of an ancient line of African priestesses, all of whom have white hair, blue eyes, and the potential to wield magic. Ororo is still a flesh and blood, human mutant, born to human parents.
[center][img]https://lookimg.com/images/2020/08/05/Pu7oTA.md.jpg[/img][/center]
That said... What I find interesting about Coates’ run is how he managed to connect Ororo being the object of worship to the local tribes of Kenya [COLOR="#A9A9A9"](after Ainet, taught her how to be responsible with her powers)[/COLOR] with it being enough to ascend to the state of being an actual goddess and peer to the likes of Thor or Athena.
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[QUOTE=Micabe;5081954]While Ororo is the descendant of an ancient line of African priestesses, all of whom have white hair, blue eyes, and the potential to wield magic. Ororo is still a flesh and blood, human mutant, born to human parents.
[center][img]https://lookimg.com/images/2020/08/05/Pu7oTA.md.jpg[/img][/center]
That said... What I find interesting about Coates’ run is how he managed to connect Ororo being the object of worship to the local tribes of Kenya [COLOR="#A9A9A9"](after Ainet, taught her how to be responsible with her powers)[/COLOR] with it being enough to ascend to the state of being an actual goddess and peer to the likes of Thor or Athena.[/QUOTE]
I think Coates in regards to her divinity was talking to the blood that flows within her veins and not necessarily to whom her parents were. its akin to our DNA that be traced back to hundreds or thousands of years to our ancestors. what I find interesting is that Claremont made it a point to emphasize her lineage going back to the beginning of time. I thought it was first mentioned here:
[img]https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/original/1/11091/2707845-uncanny_x_men_annual_1__2006__48.jpg[/img]
but I think it was first mentioned by Claremont here:
[img]https://2.bp.blogspot.com/tHWhF2mZ0m0Y74VLDauMyLiIQ3cjzG2_qAbzwM5W59pLaINY5popxnkIcwLRmvkATPDjlkUzmp0=s1600[/img]
this could be what Coates is referencing regarding the divine aspect of her bloodline.
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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5081981]I think Coates in regards to her divinity was talking to the blood that flows within her veins and not necessarily to whom her parents were. its akin to our DNA that be traced back to hundreds or thousands of years to our ancestors. [B][U][COLOR="#FF0000"]what I find interesting is that Claremont made it a point to emphasize her lineage going back to the beginning of time.[/COLOR][/U][/B] I thought it was first mentioned here:
[img]https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/original/1/11091/2707845-uncanny_x_men_annual_1__2006__48.jpg[/img][/QUOTE]
I agree... [COLOR="#A9A9A9"](Ayesha of Balobedu --> Ashake of Egypt --> Ashake of Meroë --> Harriet Munroe (paternal grandmother) --> [B][U][URL="https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Ororo_Munroe%27s_Grandmother_(Earth-616)"]unnamed maternal grandmother[/URL][/U][/B] --> N'Daré Munroe (mother) --> Ororo Munroe)[/COLOR]. Thus, Ororo's mother [B]must[/B] be part of that line ancient African priestesses.
[center][img]https://lookimg.com/images/2020/08/05/PuxAb5.md.jpg[/img]
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[QUOTE]but I think it was first mentioned by Claremont here:
[img]https://2.bp.blogspot.com/tHWhF2mZ0m0Y74VLDauMyLiIQ3cjzG2_qAbzwM5W59pLaINY5popxnkIcwLRmvkATPDjlkUzmp0=s1600[/img]
this could be what Coates is referencing regarding the divine aspect of her bloodline.[/QUOTE]
Personally, I see no reason why "Ancient line of African priestesses" and "Divine bloodline" can't be synonymous...
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[QUOTE=Micabe;5081954]While Ororo is the descendant of an ancient line of African priestesses, all of whom have white hair, blue eyes, and the potential to wield magic. Ororo is still a flesh and blood, human mutant, born to human parents.
[center][img]https://lookimg.com/images/2020/08/05/Pu7oTA.md.jpg[/img][/center]
That said... What I find interesting about Coates’ run is how he managed to connect Ororo being the object of worship to the local tribes of Kenya [COLOR="#A9A9A9"](after Ainet, taught her how to be responsible with her powers)[/COLOR] with it being enough to ascend to the state of being an actual goddess and peer to the likes of Thor or Athena.[/QUOTE]
Most of the gods in marvel are flesh and blood. Thor, odin, hercules, zeus, I could go on and on and on.though now zeus is cosmic.
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[QUOTE=jwatson;5082152]Most of the gods in marvel are flesh and blood. Thor, odin, hercules, zeus, I could go on and on and on.though now zeus is cosmic.[/QUOTE]
True but... Thor, Odin, Hercules, and Zeus all poses skin, muscles, and bones are roughly three times denser than human tissue, contributing to their superhuman strength, durability, and weight -- Hell, even Athena's body is much harder and more resistant to injury than that of an ordinary human -- can the same be said regarding Ororo?
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[QUOTE=Micabe;5082171]True but... Thor, Odin, Hercules, and Zeus all poses skin, muscles, and bones are roughly three times denser than human tissue, contributing to their superhuman strength, durability, and weight -- can same be said regarding Ororo?[/QUOTE]
And storm's body withstood the vacuum of space, and the pressures that come with the winds she flies through at high speeds, not to mention cold on the edge of space that would have killed a normal human body in seconds. Also thor and them are centuries old, Storm would be considered an infant in the world of gods. Then you have demi gods who powers don't fully awaken until after they die or ascend so i don't see why it should be any different for ororo who again in the terms of god hood like bast and them is basically an infant. Also for all we know maybe her abilities were increased because somehow her mothers was latent thus her black hair meaning she was meant to give birth to greatness.
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Not all Divinity is created equal.
And that's okies. I don't need Storm to have superhuman strength and dense bones and tissue etc. I love that she is essentially mutant/human but wields power on par with the "Gods". That's the essence of mutantdom, unlike the rest of the superhumans in the MU. They can be Gods in human form.
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[QUOTE=Devaishwarya;5082184]Not all Divinity is created equal.
And that's okies. I don't need Storm to have superhuman strength and dense bones and tissue etc. I love that she is essentially mutant/human but wields power on par with the "Gods". That's the essence of mutantdom, unlike the rest of the superhumans in the MU. They can be Gods in human form.[/QUOTE]
Yet in Storm's case claremont has been dangling acension for decades specifically in Xtreme where she talked to thunderbird and it sounded like her ascension is just a matter of time. Which also connects in a way to her elemental form in the apocalypse story that butterflykyss postesd the picture too and not to mention a forced form of ascension we saw when she was trapped in chrome by doom. Time and time again it's been stated and or implied Storm is no where near where she is suppose to end up yet. I think the only thing stopping storm personally is her fear of not being what she knows herself to be. So she is holding herself back.
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[QUOTE=jwatson;5082177]And storm's body withstood the vacuum of space, and the pressures that come with the winds she flies through at high speeds, not to mention cold on the edge of space that would have killed a normal human body in seconds. [COLOR="#A9A9A9"]Also thor and them are centuries old, Storm would be considered an infant in the world of gods. Then you have demi gods who powers don't fully awaken until after they die or ascend so i don't see why it should be any different for ororo who again in the terms of god hood like bast and them is basically an infant. Also for all we know maybe her abilities were increased because somehow her mothers was latent thus her black hair meaning she was meant to give birth to greatness.[/COLOR][/QUOTE]
[center]I don't deny any of it... However, I can say similar of Jean Grey.
[img]http://www.animanga.com/comics/xmen-43.jpg[/img]
[img]https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/original/3/30174/4304705-xmenunlimited-13b.jpg[/img]
[img]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DfQ8ZVaXUAAwgfv.jpg[/img][/center]
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[QUOTE=Micabe;5082199][center]I don't deny any of it... However, I can say similar of Jean Grey.
[img]http://www.animanga.com/comics/xmen-43.jpg[/img]
[img]https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/original/3/30174/4304705-xmenunlimited-13b.jpg[/img]
[img]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DfQ8ZVaXUAAwgfv.jpg[/img][/center][/QUOTE]
Except jean grey has a telekinetic shield around her. A sheild that keeps her body from ever actually interacting with space and a shield we've seen her put around herself and others to protect from different powerful attacks. Storm did not have any such shield around her her body compensates for the changes itself. BIG difference.
But since you posted these one must wonder how Jean was able to produce air to breathe in a tk shield. Though one could say that her time was also limited as she was proably limited to whatever air was already in her bubble where as storm can produce air.
And also hyperspace isn't literal space, hyperspace is a dimension of fiction which in most fiction can literally be entered by means of energy field which is exactly what a tk shield is.
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[QUOTE=jwatson;5082201]Except jean grey has a telekinetic shield around her. A sheild that keeps her body from ever actually interacting with space and a shield we've seen her put around herself and others to protect from different powerful attacks. Storm did not have any such shield around her her body compensates for the changes itself. BIG difference.
But since you posted these one must wonder how Jean was able to produce air to breathe in a tk shield. Though one could say that her time was also limited as she was proably limited to whatever air was already in her bubble where as storm can produce air.[/QUOTE]
thats like saying Storm doesnt actually fly; she uses the winds to ride around. If the end result is the same, what does it matter? Jean's TK is part of her powerset and that power that allowed her to do this feat just like Storm's resistance is part of her powerset.
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[QUOTE=Havok83;5082211]thats like saying Storm doesnt actually fly; she uses the winds to ride around. If the end result is the same, what does it matter? Jean's TK is part of her powerset and that power that allowed her to do this feat just like Storm's resistance is part of her powerset.[/QUOTE]
I added more Jean wasn't in literal space in those panels she was in hyper space. And the difference is again Storm's body does the work which the conversation was how the body of thor and them are able to withstand certain things. Storm was unconscious and her body still did what it did, the same can't be said for Jean.
We have also seen many instances where Storm's power or the elements reacting to her being in danger have acted on their own to make the choice to protect her when she herself was too weak or unwilling.
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Keep in mind though...all these stories have taken place in only a handful of years...She and the mutants/X-Men have been active for a short time (by MU standards). Ororo is still very, very young. There's years and years (or not depending on what HiX-Man has planned) before she transcends.
I don't see it as fear that's holding her back from "ascension" (All mutants do have the potential to ascend to something greater) but rather her love and appreciation of being simply human.
As Claremont showed when Storm eventually became a true elemental in the distant future...she was emotionally cold and distant. She had become aloof from her humanity. And while it's not a certainty that she will lose herself were she to ascend, it is a possibility.
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[QUOTE=jwatson;5082201]Except jean grey has a telekinetic shield around her. A sheild that keeps her body from ever actually interacting with space and a shield we've seen her put around herself and others to protect from different powerful attacks. Storm did not have any such shield around her her body compensates for the changes itself. BIG difference.[/QUOTE]
[center]She did when she pulled this power stunt -- which was around the same time period give or take a dozen issues or so.
[img]https://lookimg.com/images/2020/08/05/PuxI6U.md.jpg[/img][/center]
[QUOTE]But since you posted these one must wonder how Jean was able to produce air to breathe in a tk shield. Though one could say that her time was also limited as she was proably limited to whatever air was already in her bubble where as storm can produce air.[/QUOTE]
[center]Ororo can [B]make[/B] air?!? That's debatable [COLOR="#A9A9A9"](we can tackle that later)[/COLOR] -- It's my belief she was holding her breath until she died.
[img]https://lookimg.com/images/2020/08/05/PuzCZW.md.jpg[/img][/center]
[QUOTE]And also hyperspace isn't literal space, hyperspace is a dimension of fiction which in most fiction can literally be entered by means of energy field which is exactly what a tk shield is.[/QUOTE]
Oh, don't nitpick :p It's in the pages thus it's factual canon.
[QUOTE=jwatson;5082221]I added more Jean wasn't in literal space in those panels she was in hyper space. And the difference is again Storm's body does the work which the conversation was how the body of thor and them are able to withstand certain things. Storm was unconscious and her body still did what it did, the same can't be said for Jean.
[COLOR="#A9A9A9"]We have also seen many instances where Storm's power or the elements reacting to her being in danger have acted on their own to make the choice to protect her when she herself was too weak or unwilling.[/COLOR][/QUOTE]
Marvel Database: [B][U][URL="https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Glossary:Hyperspace"]Hyperspace[/URL][/U][/B]
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[QUOTE=Micabe;5082264][center]She did when she pulled this power stunt -- which was around the same time period give or take a dozen issues or so.
[img]https://lookimg.com/images/2020/08/05/PuxI6U.md.jpg[/img]
Ororo can [B]make[/B] air?!? That's debatable [COLOR="#A9A9A9"](we can tackle that later)[/COLOR] -- It's my belief she was holding her breath until she died.
[img]https://lookimg.com/images/2020/08/05/PuzCZW.md.jpg[/img][/center]
Oh, don't nitpick :p It's in the pages thus it's factual canon.[/QUOTE]
honestly in my opinion and i could be wrong but it seems like your nitpicking ororo and then jumping to the other side of the fence by then saying you get it but then comparing her to others in an effort to... i'm not sure yet. how could she be holding her breath if she was unconscious. But thats neither here or there, i'm moving on from this, i get kind of bored going in circles.
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[QUOTE=jwatson;5082266]honestly in my opinion and i could be wrong but it seems like your nitpicking ororo and then jumping to the other side of the fence by then saying you get it but then comparing her to others in an effort to... i'm not sure yet.[/QUOTE]
Hey, now... Me saying you were nitpicking was totally not meant to be an insult -- I used said comparison as a example of another mutant
doing similar [COLOR="#A9A9A9"](albeit under different circumstances)[/COLOR] using their own unique abilities.
[QUOTE]how could she be holding her breath if she was unconscious. But thats neither here or there, i'm moving on from this, i get kind of bored going in circles.[/QUOTE]
1). Ororo wasn't unconscious -- she was dead! The page I posted states just that.
2). Don't be like that... We're debating comic books not real world politics and religion.