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The only reason I wouldn't want Storm to evolve into her elemental form is that I can't stand when the few black characters we have aren't drawn with their natural black skin. It's a problem that was mentioned in the thread about black X-Men (Darwin, Maggot, etc.) and I wouldn't want Storm to get the same treatment.
That's...that's....well...I have no wrds.
[QUOTE=Kingdom X;5077362]The only reason I wouldn't want Storm to evolve into her elemental form is that I can't stand when the few black characters we have aren't drawn with their natural black skin. It's a problem that was mentioned in the thread about black X-Men (Darwin, Maggot, etc.) and I wouldn't want Storm to get the same treatment.[/QUOTE]
I hear you. I wouldn't want her to be perpetually in her elemental form. I would want her to go in this form akin to super saiyan.
[QUOTE=Kingdom X;5077362]The only reason I wouldn't want Storm to evolve into her elemental form is that I can't stand when the few black characters we have aren't drawn with their natural black skin. It's a problem that was mentioned in the thread about black X-Men (Darwin, Maggot, etc.) and I wouldn't want Storm to get the same treatment.[/QUOTE]
I think with storm you could get a great elemental affect just by making her hair change form to become more cloud like with a sort of transparent look that doesn't effect her skin tone.
[QUOTE=jwatson;5077069]Thanks appreciate it.
Exactly Storm needs no man. Let her have little demi gods over time and live her life to the fullest. She should be an immortal being now. It's time for her to start exploring the world of gods. New Celestial Olympus, The Celestials, i feel like we need a life or death journey but this time through godhood. Surely many should be trying to aquire the newest goddess for their pantheon. especially one of her power levels.[/QUOTE]
I'm interested in the life of death journey with her godhood. how would that work though in this context? she hasn't even truly embraced the power honestly so its not like she would be missing that aspect of herself if it was suddenly stripped away.
[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5077399]I'm interested in the life of death journey with her godhood. how would that work though in this context? she hasn't even truly embraced the power honestly so its not like she would be missing that aspect of herself if it was suddenly stripped away.[/QUOTE]
I more imagine wouldn't other gods know a new god exists in the MU. I don't know why one of the many pantheons aren't trying to recruit her, especially if she is a bigger god as has been indicated because adversary is suppose to be up there in power. Then you have her connection to oshur and so on and so forth. I was more thinking the journey itself to empowering herself as a goddess rather than losing that part of her.
[QUOTE=jwatson;5077394]I think with storm you could get a great elemental affect just by making her hair change form to become more cloud like with a sort of transparent look that doesn't effect her skin tone.[/QUOTE]
I don't think the transparency will work, me personally, I loved the elemental form she received in that comic where she saw herself in the mirror and then flew out and destroyed an entire planet.
Now, for her appearance itself. I would see it more like Boby's ice form, she will be able to switch between it, whenever she wants, or when she is trying to extend her reach and make herself more powerful. I want to see it there, but I also want to see it controllable by her, not something which will completely overtake her. Of course, if something happens to attack her in her human form, I would imagine that subconsciously her form will trigger, preserving her life and recover her, even if she was unconscious or something like that. This is at least, how, I would have written her.
As far for her form itself. I would imagine something among the lines of her hair glowing in gentle white tone, with her aura coming out from her body surrounding her. This way she will not lose her skin colour and when she is attacked or stabbed for example I would imagine her body spreading like a liquid or something like that, ignoring the stab itself and then reforming back. But hey that just me.
[QUOTE=chief12d;5077350]One could say the same of Mera vs Wonder Woman. Both of them theoretically make sense as love interests of Aquaman, though one of them is clearly more powerful and relevant. But because Wonder Woman has her own franchise to be a part of Aquaman needs to take what he can get and make the most of it. Thus Mera is his primary love interest and has garnered a lot of praise and respect through the years. Will a revamped Zanda, an omega-level Nuhuman and Queen of Narobia ever be as high profile as Storm? No, but can she be a viable love interest and more importantly, be under the complete editorial control of the Black Panther office? Yes, so she's a better option long term.
If we're being entirely honest, the only black women at Marvel who will ever rival Storm in relevance are Spectrum and Shuri (as the Batgirl to T'Challa's Batman who will possibly get an MCU trilogy). For obvious reasons Shuri isn't on the table as a love interest while Spectrum has been romantically linked with Blue Marvel for close to half a decade. So if T'Challa can't get Storm he has no choice but to work with a love interest that starts out C-list at best (assuming we're speaking in terms of black women). I'd rather that than Storm kissing Gambit while they're reconciling in his own book.[/QUOTE]
Being under the same editorial office won't guarantee that Zanda/Monica Lynne would be better choices as love interests and won't be sidelined at any point, though. Look at Peter Parker and Mary Jane; they were under the same editorial office, were married, but were still broken up, despite being in the complete editorial control of the Spider-Man office. Also, with both your picks of Zanda and Monica Lynne and my pick of Storm, the Black Panther office could decide at any point that they don't want Black Panther to be with any of those women, and then he'd just be alone or with a new temporary pick of a new Black Panther writer.
I even think Black Panther and Monica Lynne were engaged at one point (in one of those Black Panther graphic novels from the 1980's from Don McGregor), but we all know they never eventually got married. Same editorial office, but plans didn't work out for whatever reason.
I guess that no Marvel relationship is really all that safe, whether the characters are in the same editorial office or not.
[QUOTE=jwatson;5077411]I more imagine wouldn't other gods know a new god exists in the MU. I don't know why one of the many pantheons aren't trying to recruit her, especially if she is a bigger god as has been indicated because adversary is suppose to be up there in power. Then you have her connection to oshur and so on and so forth. I was more thinking the journey itself to empowering herself as a goddess rather than losing that part of her.[/QUOTE]
this is actually what I would love her little portion of the mu to involve that is her own pantheon of gods skin to thor and asgard. I like the idea of that journey being explored very much .
[QUOTE=The92Ghost;5077428]I don't think the transparency will work, me personally, I loved the elemental form she received in that comic where she saw herself in the mirror and then flew out and destroyed an entire planet.
Now, for her appearance itself. I would see it more like Boby's ice form, she will be able to switch between it, whenever she wants, or when she is trying to extend her reach and make herself more powerful. I want to see it there, but I also want to see it controllable by her, not something which will completely overtake her. Of course, if something happens to attack her in her human form, I would imagine that subconsciously her form will trigger, preserving her life and recover her, even if she was unconscious or something like that. This is at least, how, I would have written her.
As far for her form itself. I would imagine something among the lines of her hair glowing in gentle white tone, with her aura coming out from her body surrounding her. This way she will not lose her skin colour and when she is attacked or stabbed for example I would imagine her body spreading like a liquid or something like that, ignoring the stab itself and then reforming back. But hey that just me.[/QUOTE]
I did a few quick sketches and honetly in the end i think the glow is proably the best way to go. Though since Storm can see her body and the world in patterns of primal energy she should theoretically just be able to blend with a storm when she wants which we have already seen in some instances like the storm her face was in. though i have to say i don't mind a light blue hue surrounding her.
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[QUOTE=jwatson;5077453]I did a few quick sketches and honetly in the end i think the glow is proably the best way to go. Though since Storm can see her body and the world in patterns of primal energy she should theoretically just be able to blend with a storm when she wants which we have already seen in some instances like the storm her face was in. though i have to say i don't mind a light blue hue surrounding her.
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That looks cool, but the light blue hue... nope, I don't see her like that... I would go with the same greyish-white glow, like her eyes and hair. But that just me!
[QUOTE=misty101;5075370]how about storm and exodus as a couple[/QUOTE]
This world be interesting to say the least lol
[QUOTE=Kingdom X;5077362]The only reason I wouldn't want Storm to evolve into her elemental form is that I can't stand when the few black characters we have aren't drawn with their natural black skin. It's a problem that was mentioned in the thread about black X-Men (Darwin, Maggot, etc.) and I wouldn't want Storm to get the same treatment.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=butterflykyss;5077384]I hear you. I wouldn't want her to be perpetually in her elemental form. I would want her to go in this form akin to super saiyan.[/QUOTE]
NEVER!!! Storm MUST transcend!!!!!
Anyway, I see what you mean. Although, I don’t see how it would matter. Storm hasn’t been the correct Skin Color for a long as time. She’s Been: Dark Skin, Light Skin, Light Brown, Dark Brown, Dark Shad of Purple etc. she’s everywhere.
Now that I think about it. This whole Elemental Being thing let that be a Secondary Mutation like Emma’s Diamond Form. Simple enough.
[QUOTE=jwatson;5077453]I did a few quick sketches and honetly in the end i think the glow is proably the best way to go. Though since Storm can see her body and the world in patterns of primal energy she should theoretically just be able to blend with a storm when she wants which we have already seen in some instances like the storm her face was in. though i have to say i don't mind a light blue hue surrounding her.
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that's cute boo. her hair looks like clouds which I like.
[QUOTE=stormphoenix;5077468]NEVER!!! Storm MUST transcend!!!!!
Anyway, I see what you mean. Although, I don’t see how it would matter. Storm hasn’t been the correct Skin Color for a long as time. She’s Been: Dark Skin, Light Skin, Light Brown, Dark Brown, Dark Shad of Purple etc. she’s everywhere.
Now that I think about it. This whole Elemental Being thing let that be a Secondary Mutation like Emma’s Diamond Form. Simple enough.[/QUOTE]
that is a good point her skin has been all over the place loll I died when I saw purple lol
I want her elemental form to be used sparingly and only when battles require, just like I think her goddess power should be used as well.
[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5077481]that is a good point her skin has been all over the place loll I died when I saw purple lol
I want her elemental form to be used sparingly and only when battles require, just like I think her goddess power should be used as well.[/QUOTE]
Not to be funny, but it’s the truth.
Now here’s the problem I have with that. The Elemental Being Concept and Goddess Storm Concept TO ME IMO. Can be separated.
What do I mean? Storm transcending or transforming her physical body to that of any Element can be seen as another reason why Storm is a Omega Level mutant. Just like How Iceman does it Storm can do the same. OR we make it a Secondary Mutation.
As for Goddess Storm is a completely different beast and different subset of her powers.
I guess what I’m tryna say is. Do you guys WANT Elemental Form to actually be Storms Goddess Form?? Or different.
Because truthfully you can split the two and Storm is even more powerful.
Just sayin
[QUOTE=MoneySpider;5077431]
I even think Black Panther and Monica Lynne were engaged at one point (in one of those Black Panther graphic novels from the 1980's from Don McGregor), but we all know they never eventually got married. Same editorial office, but plans didn't work out for whatever reason.[/QUOTE]
FYI the editors for the engagement and the separation were two different folks.
Panther's Prey editors were Terry Kavanagh, Kelly Corvese & Mark Power Head editor Tom Deflaco
Black Panther issue 27 (Priest) was Tom Brevoort Head Editor Joe Q.
A 10 year gap and there was no BP book until 1999.
As with Peter and Mary Jane, Green Arrow/Black Carney, Nightwing/Starfire, Wally/Linda West-the folks breaking up these relationships were NOT the same folks who approved them.
[QUOTE]Anyway, I see what you mean. Although, I don’t see how it would matter. Storm hasn’t been the correct Skin Color for a long as time. She’s Been: Dark Skin, Light Skin, Light Brown, Dark Brown, Dark Shad of Purple etc. she’s everywhere.[/QUOTE]
However if you go with her changing colors ala Sunspot. Guess what you COULD end up with.
You give her an elemental form-don't THINK FOR A SECOND they won't leave her like that.
Or use it for "OTHER" reasons.
[QUOTE=stormphoenix;5077497]Not to be funny, but it’s the truth.
Now here’s the problem I have with that. The Elemental Being Concept and Goddess Storm Concept TO ME IMO. Can be separated.
What do I mean? Storm transcending or transforming her physical body to that of any Element can be seen as another reason why Storm is a Omega Level mutant. Just like How Iceman does it Storm can do the same. OR we make it a Secondary Mutation.
As for Goddess Storm is a completely different beast and different subset of her powers.
[B]I guess what I’m tryna say is. Do you guys WANT Elemental Form to actually be Storms Goddess Form?? Or different. [/B]
Because truthfully you can split the two and Storm is even more powerful.
Just sayin[/QUOTE]
I am more for her Elemental form being an ascension of her Godhood, and her Godhood itself to be a separate thing like a Pantheon journey. In other words, something among the lines of 60/40.
[QUOTE=skyvolt2000;5077515]FYI the editors for the engagement and the separation were two different folks.
Panther's Prey editors were Terry Kavanagh, Kelly Corvese & Mark Power Head editor Tom Deflaco
Black Panther issue 27 (Priest) was Tom Brevoort Head Editor Joe Q.
A 10 year gap and there was no BP book until 1999.
As with Peter and Mary Jane, Green Arrow/Black Carney, Nightwing/Starfire, Wally/Linda West-the folks breaking up these relationships were NOT the same folks who approved them.[/QUOTE]
Sure, but all these characters were still handled by the same respective editorial offices. To me, just because the people who broke up the relationships weren't the same as the ones who put them together, doesn't take away from the fact that these characters were in the same respective editorial offices and still could not remain intact as a couple.
[QUOTE=stormphoenix;5077497]Not to be funny, but it’s the truth.
Now here’s the problem I have with that. The Elemental Being Concept and Goddess Storm Concept TO ME IMO. Can be separated.
What do I mean? Storm transcending or transforming her physical body to that of any Element can be seen as another reason why Storm is a Omega Level mutant. Just like How Iceman does it Storm can do the same. OR we make it a Secondary Mutation.
As for Goddess Storm is a completely different beast and different subset of her powers.
I guess what I’m tryna say is. Do you guys WANT Elemental Form to actually be Storms Goddess Form?? Or different.
Because truthfully you can split the two and Storm is even more powerful.
Just sayin[/QUOTE]
I know but it was still funny lol.
The elemental form can be as you said separate from the goddess power. I just figured this could be a way to know when she is in goddess mode, the elemental form could be a visual indication of her being in that mode.
[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5077589]I know but it was still funny lol.
The elemental form can be as you said separate from the goddess power. I just figured this could be a way to know when she is in goddess mode, the elemental form could be a visual indication of her being in that mode.[/QUOTE]
It just sounds like too much to me. Goddess Mode, Elemental. I say we just link it all together and move forward. We bout to turn storm into a Saiyan. Rogue Storm Storm, Elemental Storm, Goddess Mode Storm. She just needs to commune all of her powers and give her durability. Hercules and Thor don't need another form to be durable.
[QUOTE=The92Ghost;5077533]I am more for her Elemental form being an ascension of her Godhood, and her Godhood itself to be a separate thing like a Pantheon journey. In other words, something among the lines of 60/40.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5077589]I know but it was still funny lol.
The elemental form can be as you said separate from the goddess power. I just figured this could be a way to know when she is in goddess mode, the elemental form could be a visual indication of her being in that mode.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=jwatson;5077598]It just sounds like too much to me. Goddess Mode, Elemental. I say we just link it all together and move forward. We bout to turn storm into a Saiyan. Rogue Storm Storm, Elemental Storm, Goddess Mode Storm. She just needs to commune all of her powers and give her durability. Hercules and Thor don't need another form to be durable.[/QUOTE]
I see what y’all mean.
Personally, I’d say Call the Elemental Form a Secondary Mutation. And Goddess Form is something different and CALL IT A DAY.
[QUOTE=jwatson;5077598]It just sounds like too much to me. Goddess Mode, Elemental. I say we just link it all together and move forward. We bout to turn storm into a Saiyan. Rogue Storm Storm, Elemental Storm, Goddess Mode Storm. She just needs to commune all of her powers and give her durability. Hercules and Thor don't need another form to be durable.[/QUOTE]
this storm is perpetually a goddess then a creates a scenario where she will be too OP Kinda like the whole Phoenix thing. her being able to tap into the ability only when necessary at least gives writers who don't want to deal with it an out as she doesn't become so powerful for the story a writer wants to tell.
[QUOTE=stormphoenix;5077603]I see what y’all mean.
Personally, I’d say Call the Elemental Form a Secondary Mutation. And Goddess Form is something different and CALL IT A DAY.[/QUOTE]
does an elemebtal form typically fall under the category of secondary mutation? I don't think this is the case with iceman.
[QUOTE=MoneySpider;5077548]Sure, but all these characters were still handled by the same respective editorial offices. To me, just because the people who broke up the relationships weren't the same as the ones who put them together, doesn't take away from the fact that these characters were in the same respective editorial offices and still could not remain intact as a couple.[/QUOTE]
You are talking about a 10 year gap with different staff.
You are dealing with whole new attitudes. Especially if some one HIGHER up is ordering stuff.
We saw what one employee did to the Fantastic Four.
NOTHING is stopping someone from the top saying give both new love interests to match the movie universe. Especially after all the claims to increase black awareness.
I can get more money from Panther/Monica and Storm/ New Person than the two together. At least for awhile.
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does an elemebtal form typically fall under the category of secondary mutation? I don't think this is the case with iceman.[/QUOTE]
It can go both ways:
Emma Frost Diamond Form - Secondary Mutation.
Iceman Ice-Form - Mutant Power Evolved to a greater Height(Not a Secondary Mutation).
Storm’s Elemental Form can go either direction. Like Emma’s or Like Bobby.
[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5077611]this storm is perpetually a goddess then a creates a scenario where she will be too OP Kinda like the whole Phoenix thing. her being able to tap into the ability only when necessary at least gives writers who don't want to deal with it an out as she doesn't become so powerful for the story a writer wants to tell.
does an elemebtal form typically fall under the category of secondary mutation? I don't think this is the case with iceman.[/QUOTE]
If thor, hercules, carol, hulk, can be these all powerful characters and that doesn't create a problem for story i'm not sure why it should for storm. if the writers can't make threats big enough they must not be good writers.
[QUOTE=jwatson;5077634]If thor, hercules, carol, hulk, can be these all powerful characters and that doesn't create a problem for story i'm not sure why it should for storm. if the writers can't make threats big enough they must not be good writers.[/QUOTE]
oh no I think it is a lame excuse but honestly with all of the powerhouses on krakoa it may work now.
[QUOTE=stormphoenix;5077620]It can go both ways:
Emma Frost Diamond Form - Secondary Mutation.
Iceman Ice-Form - Mutant Power Evolved to a greater Height(Not a Secondary Mutation).
Storm’s Elemental Form can go either direction. Like Emma’s or Like Bobby.[/QUOTE]
gotcha! I thought secondary mutations were separate from the main power though? Emma is also is not an elemental
[QUOTE=skyvolt2000;5077619]You are talking about a 10 year gap with different staff.
You are dealing with whole new attitudes. Especially if some one HIGHER up is ordering stuff.
We saw what one employee did to the Fantastic Four.
NOTHING is stopping someone from the top saying give both new love interests to match the movie universe. Especially after all the claims to increase black awareness.
I can get more money from Panther/Monica and Storm/ New Person than the two together. At least for awhile.[/QUOTE]
isn't Monica dead?
[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5077651]oh no I think it is a lame excuse but honestly with all of the powerhouses on krakoa it may work now.
gotcha! I thought secondary mutations were separate from the main power though? Emma is also is not an elemental
isn't Monica dead?[/QUOTE]
The secondary mutation is more like entirely different power set, like for example if Storm is energy bender or weather manipulator, which comes from her Energy manipulation, her ascension to Elemental form is still part of that set...
Now if... let's say if she starts to bend the metal itself, which is not part of her main power, then this is a second mutation.
In other words, the second mutation is a mutation power which has nothing to do with the main power.
[QUOTE=The92Ghost;5077665]The secondary mutation is more like entirely different power set, like for example if Storm is energy bender or weather manipulator, which comes from her Energy manipulation, her ascension to Elemental form is still part of that set...
Now if... let's say if she starts to bend the metal itself, which is not part of her main power, then this is a second mutation.
In other words, the second mutation is a mutation power which has nothing to do with the main power.[/QUOTE]
yes this is what I thought so I don't think based upon this her turning to an elemental being would be a secondary mutation
Where did you get the idea that Monica Rambeau was dead?
[QUOTE=Micabe;5077681]Where did you get the idea that Monica Rambeau was dead?[/QUOTE]
I think he is talking about Monica lynn.
[QUOTE=The92Ghost;5077665]The secondary mutation is more like entirely different power set, like for example if Storm is energy bender or weather manipulator, which comes from her Energy manipulation, her ascension to Elemental form is still part of that set...
Now if... let's say if she starts to bend the metal itself, which is not part of her main power, then this is a second mutation.
In other words, the second mutation is a mutation power which has nothing to do with the main power.[/QUOTE]
Your right, but you can still go down the route of making it a second mutation. That’s why I mentioned it could go both ways.
[QUOTE=stormphoenix;5077687]Your right, but you can still go down the route of making it a second mutation. That’s why I mentioned it could go both ways.[/QUOTE]
but a secondary mutation is not related to their main ability.
[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5077690]but a secondary mutation is not related to their main ability.[/QUOTE]
Neither is turning into an Elemental Being. I actually see this going to ways.
[QUOTE=stormphoenix;5077692]Neither is turning into an Elemental Being. I actually see this going to ways.[/QUOTE]
yea it is. iceman elemental form is ice which is his main ability.
human torch is fire which is his main ability.
[QUOTE=stormphoenix;5077692]Neither is turning into an Elemental Being. I actually see this going to ways.[/QUOTE]
If storm can already channrl energy through her body, make lightning and make lightning from it, not to mention rogue storm I don't think an elemental form would need to be a secondary mutation when it's well within the limits of her own power even without godhood.
[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5077703]yea it is. iceman elemental form is ice which is his main ability.
human torch is fire which is his main ability.[/QUOTE]
But do you see Storm turning into Water, Wind, Heat or Mist when she manipulates them? Nope. EhJohnny and Bobby are kinda different actually. But I won’t get into that.
[QUOTE=jwatson;5077704]If storm can already channrl energy through her body, make lightning and make lightning from it, not to mention rogue storm I don't think an elemental form would need to be a secondary mutation when it's well within the limits of her own power even without godhood.[/QUOTE]
Yes, that’s true. But it’s not Storm’s powers to turn into the things she manipulates.Thats why to me I can see it going both ways imo.
[QUOTE=stormphoenix;5077707]But do you see Storm turning into Water, Wind, Heat or Mist when she manipulates them do you? Nope. Johnny and Bobby are actually different. But I won’t get into that.
Yes, that’s true. But it’s not Storm’s powers to turn into the things she manipulates.Thats why to me I can see it going both ways imo.[/QUOTE]
we actually have during rogue storm for example when her hair was fire and her breathe ice
[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5077709]we actually have during rogue storm for example when her hair was fire and her breathe ice[/QUOTE]
Yes, I know. But In any case I get what y’all are saying imo I can see both ways.
[QUOTE=stormphoenix;5077712]Yes, I know. But In any case I get what y’all are saying imo I can see both ways.[/QUOTE]
gotcha boo