Ororo Munroe: Storm Appreciation 2020

[QUOTE=chief12d;5237329]This is comics, recontextualizing the nature of a character's powers happens quite often. Immortal Hulk is doing it right now (to critical acclaim), Coates was doing it when he explored Storm's godhead, etc. Franklin's powers being retconned is hardly earth shattering and functionally no different than Storm and her boyfriend having a falling out. The motivations (the primary writer wanting to tell their story without the influence of another writer) are the same.[/QUOTE]

storm falling out with TChalla was far worse and mean spirited. Also it wasn't needed at all

[QUOTE=Marvell2100;5237248][COLOR="#000080"]The X-office isn't done with the greater MU by a longshot. We've got a war looming on the horizon.[/COLOR][/QUOTE]

Hickman isn't god and writers will write what they want to write. Do I think an editorially-enforced conflict is coming soon because writers aren't creative and rabid fans want to see their favorite characters ravage the wider MU? Absolutely, I don't overestimate what the end game of Hickman's story is.

But I think enough room will be left for writers to shift their own narratives accordingly so they don't have to be enslaved to what Hickman and the X-office does. If my hunch is right that Redjack is taking over the next BP relaunch we won't be seeing much X-Men in his series or vice versa until the last moment, I don't think those seeds are gonna get explored to the extent some fans (and characters) need them to be. I think the same will be true for most major characters and their respective books.

[QUOTE=chief12d;5237334]Hickman isn't god and writers will write what they want to write. Do I think an editorially-enforced conflict is coming soon because writers aren't creative and rabid fans want to see their favorite characters ravage the wider MU? Absolutely, I don't overestimate what the end game of Hickman's story is.

But I think enough room will be left for writers to shift their own narratives accordingly so they don't have to be enslaved to what Hickman and the X-office does. If my hunch is right that Redjack is taking over the next BP relaunch we won't be seeing much X-Men in his series or vice versa until the last moment, I don't think those seeds are gonna get explored to the extent some fans (and characters) want them to be. I think the same will be true for most major characters and their respective books.[/QUOTE]

I must be the only one that don't care about my fave in the main mu then. LOL. I want storm to be in the x-books i'm simple. If i want to read cap i get cap if i want to read avengers i get that and the occasional crossover is nice but i don't need Storm on FF or Avengers if i can get X-traodinary or X-treme. Those movies i think got to people head and they all MU MU. But thats just how i see it.

[QUOTE=jwatson;5237332]Which as i've said many time i totally don't begrudge a writer for wanting to tell his story but i know what my jumping off point is. Also Banner and the multiple personality thing has been alluded too for as long as i can remember also him being a latent mutant who the gamma bomb awakened but never truly confirmed. In his case again it's a little different than specifically doing something we have seen before with Franklyn losing his powers and now trying to make it different and thats coming off a storyline in the same year where they just did a storyline where reed altered his dna to hide that very thing. Also coates explored storm's godhood which was also always hinted at he did not take anything away from her nor did Storm breaking up with Tchalla take anything away from her other than a man at the moment. What actually happened doesn't make sense to me but i can agree it is what it is. Storm on the other hand it make sense to me after waiting on Tchalla and Wakanda time after time when they asked that it would bother her that they asked her to wait on them and she chose not to. But i try to think in context.[/QUOTE]

Adding a mystical, horror component to gamma radiation, the exploration of the One Below All, and other such adjustments to the Hulk mythos are the kind of recontextualizing I'm talking about. It's expanding on and retrofitting established concepts to tell new stories and make retcons to improve a character as the writer sees fit. Same goes for Storm and Coates. There were elements of mysticism to her character before Coates, but the idea of the Hadari Yao, a godhead that gave her access to special weather manipulation, and more were all additive reinterpretations of Storm's lore according to the Black Panther books.

That's not any different than what Slott did with Franklin. We thought his powers were one thing, now they're not. We thought his powers were from this source, sike, they come from somewhere else. These things are a part of what comics have been about since they're inception, they're as natural to the medium as the number of times characters break up and hook back up. FF today was a poorly written issue but it didn't do anything in terms of retconning and recontextualizing that hasn't been happening since comics started getting written.

[QUOTE=jwatson;5237341]I must be the only one that don't care about my fave in the main mu then. LOL. I want storm to be in the x-books i'm simple. If i want to read cap i get cap if i want to read avengers i get that and the occasional crossover is nice but i don't need Storm on FF or Avengers if i can get X-traodinary or X-treme. Those movies i think got to people head and they all MU MU. But thats just how i see it.[/QUOTE]

I don't either but it's a good thing my post wasn't addressing my own thoughts specifically lol. I've been clear about my preference for the X-Office to stay in their own corner and play with their own toys, I'm just saying that doesn't seem to be something Hickman is particularly interested in doing, though we'll see what becomes of his story. People seem to think Hickman is Kevin Feige and can just adjust the MU as he sees fit to tell his story and I'm saying that's not the case, every writer has at least some degree of control over their own books and the narrative of Krakoa may not be as expansive as they think. But I agree I'm happy to see Storm back with the X-Men and hopefully being put on the track towards greatness without her boyfriend's mythos (outside the sword she stole from his kingdom lol).

[QUOTE=chief12d;5237354]Adding a mystical, horror component to gamma radiation, the exploration of the One Below All, and other such adjustments to the Hulk mythos are the kind of recontextualizing I'm talking about. It's expanding on and retrofitting established concepts to tell new stories and make retcons to improve a character as the writer sees fit. Same goes for Storm and Coates. There were elements of mysticism to her character before Coates, but the idea of the Hadari Yao, a godhead that gave her access to special weather manipulation, and more were all additive reinterpretations of Storm's lore according to the Black Panther books.

That's not any different than what Slott did with Franklin. We thought his powers were one thing, now they're not. We thought his powers were from this source, sike, they come from somewhere else. These things are a part of what comics have been about since they're inception, they're as natural to the medium as the number of times characters break up and hook back up. FF today was a poorly written issue but it didn't do anything in terms of retconning and recontextualizing that hasn't been happening since comics started getting written.[/QUOTE]
I can see your point. I think at the end of the day though this will hurt the FF under Slott run if not a red herring. Storm story did not hurt BP, it may with fans but not sales, and the wakanda thing didn't hurt Marauders, it may have stoked passionate fans but i do think this loss of connection to the X-men will come back to bite the FF and Slott's run but i could be wrong and only time will tell. Wanda and Pietro are still trying to recover even though it's more than just that x-gene loss.

[QUOTE=jwatson;5237301]I honestly don't remember but i know for me i'm just burnt out on the narrative that Storm had nothing without tchalla and just want to focus on storm. Thats not to take away from her past but i want to see my girl stand on her own again. People love to say she had nothing and wasn't being used but i enjoyed X-treme xmen which was running and something was on the horizon before it was pulled. I didn't like the premise of Extraodrinary X-men but i enjoyed the hell out of the issues and Storm leading and she was doing fine and then she was pulled again and all of a sudden stepped down for kitty. And yes that may be on the x-office but all i know is as a Storm fan what i like and it's not having to go get BP, others do. I want Storm to have prominence again on her own because for whatever reason anytime she is paired with tchalla she pays and again that may be on the x-office but as an x-fan first and a storm fan it just ain't worth it for me. I am honestly loving Storm lately and i don't bemoan anyone what they like, just not for me.[/QUOTE]

I understand your sentiment of her needing to stand on her own but I dint see how being with tchalla does to impede that. I think ororos biggest problem to achieving the prominence her fans want is due to the xoffices. what I see happen is the xwriters use her in uninspired ways, another office (bp) uses her in ways that elevates her beyond the status quo and then the xoffices respond akin to a child being upset another kids is playing with a toy they put aside in their toy box. the onus lies with the xoffices. they don't want to give her a solo, they have had her take a backseat to kitty, cyclops, Wolverine, Jean, Xavier, magneto and others. her being with BP and using him as an excuse to me is a cop-out and redirects the focus on where it should be which is the xoffices.

[QUOTE=baxer;5237333]storm falling out with TChalla was far worse and mean spirited. Also it wasn't needed at all[/QUOTE]

exactly. Coates and hudlin both have a deep love for the characters so xwriters going out of their way to troll their work wasn't necessary.

Come on Death, if you want Storm, you gonna have to do better than that.

This woman has faced down the real "Death" to save the soul of T'Challa and all you have to bring o the fight is a scary face.

[QUOTE=chief12d;5237334]Hickman isn't god and writers will write what they want to write. Do I think an editorially-enforced conflict is coming soon because writers aren't creative and rabid fans want to see their favorite characters ravage the wider MU? Absolutely, I don't overestimate what the end game of Hickman's story is.

But I think enough room will be left for writers to shift their own narratives accordingly so they don't have to be enslaved to what Hickman and the X-office does. If my hunch is right that Redjack is taking over the next BP relaunch we won't be seeing much X-Men in his series or vice versa until the last moment, I don't think those seeds are gonna get explored to the extent some fans (and characters) need them to be. I think the same will be true for most major characters and their respective books.[/QUOTE]

[COLOR="#000080"]It doesn't have to be Hickman, it can be any writer.

Characters in Marvel used to interact frequently(70's, 80's mid-90's) without bias prior to the drama that we see now. I have now problems with heroes appearing in other titles, especially if they exist in a shared universe. In fact I want that.

It adds layers to the characters and can be beneficial when done right. But that seems to be the problem. Marvel seems only to care about hero vs hero drama and will milk it to the bone.

I have plenty of comics where heroes have interacted. There's usually some sort of misunderstanding at first and then the heroes work it out and team up to take out the bad guys. They walk away with a better understanding and respect for each other.

Now it's just "my side is right and your side is wrong so we need to fight to prove our point". It spills over to the fanbases and now everybody is entrenched in their war camps ready to pounce. [/COLOR]

[QUOTE=LordAllMIghty;5237420]Come on Death, if you want Storm, you gonna have to do better than that.

This woman has faced down the real "Death" to save the soul of T'Challa and all you have to bring o the fight is a scary face.[/QUOTE]

[COLOR="#000080"]It's going to take more than a death stare to scare Death.

He's not going down without a fright![/COLOR]

[QUOTE=LordAllMIghty;5237420]Come on Death, if you want Storm, you gonna have to do better than that.

This woman has faced down the real "Death" to save the soul of T'Challa and all you have to bring o the fight is a scary face.[/QUOTE]

absolutely fact boo!

[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5237556]absolutely fact boo![/QUOTE]

Was it actually the Cosmic Abstract that's always around Thanos or?

[QUOTE=KLY360;5237566]Was it actually the Cosmic Abstract that's always around Thanos or?[/QUOTE]

no not that one. it is the one that is more popularly depicted with the sickle.

[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5237573]no not that one. it is the one that is more popularly depicted with the sickle.[/QUOTE]

I always assumed that was Mistress Death.

[QUOTE=Marvell2100;5237469][COLOR="#000080"]It doesn't have to be Hickman, it can be any writer.

Characters in Marvel used to interact frequently(70's, 80's mid-90's) without bias prior to the drama that we see now. I have now problems with heroes appearing in other titles, especially if they exist in a shared universe. In fact I want that.

It adds layers to the characters and can be beneficial when done right. But that seems to be the problem. Marvel seems only to care about hero vs hero drama and will milk it to the bone.

I have plenty of comics where heroes have interacted. There's usually some sort of misunderstanding at first and then the heroes work it out and team up to take out the bad guys. They walk away with a better understanding and respect for each other.

Now it's just "my side is right and your side is wrong so we need to fight to prove our point". It spills over to the fanbases and now everybody is entrenched in their war camps ready to pounce. [/COLOR][/QUOTE]

Fans also became more tribalist. I hope it will end as writers use heroes more like colleagues then adversaries

[QUOTE=LordAllMIghty;5237603]I always assumed that was Mistress Death.[/QUOTE]

oh I can go with that lolol

[QUOTE=HeraldOfStorm;5237226]tbh i'm a little disappointed with Death, i thought that he being an millenial warrior could have given Storm a worthy fight, but he was defeated so easily and if Storm had her powers this fight would be faster than Betsy vs Isca lol.
besides, i also expected more from their relationship.[/QUOTE]

I dont understand people being disappointed in the fight. What more of a fight was he to give her? He fought her hand to hand combat with weapons and she was the better fighter. Y'all forget she was trained by Wolverine and others. Then he got mad and tried to KILL her with his Death Stare which he literally could've killed her in an instant knowing people have to see to have a fair chance at fighting. She used her intelligence and finished him off. Storm been beating bitches asses for years and I love it

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[QUOTE=metalclouds;5237785]I dont understand people being disappointed in the fight. What more of a fight was he to give her? He fought her hand to hand combat with weapons and she was the better fighter. Y'all forget she was trained by Wolverine and others. Then he got mad and tried to KILL her with is Death Stare which he literally couldn't killed her in an instant knowing people have to see to have a fair chance at fighting. She used her intelligence and finished him off. Storm been beating bitches asses for years and I love it

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I'm a little confused too. I mean I take this fight as a huge feat for Storm. She wasn't fighting some street level trained fighter. She was up against a person who had been fighting a demon horde for thousands of years and is considered to be one of the strongest mutants of all and she beat him while being tipsy and without her powers. This says a lot about her hand to hand prowess. As a matter of fact, Storm hasn't done much with her powers at all and have gotten past some of the best Wakanda had to offer and this anciently powerful mutant. It's also worth nothing that outside of Wolverine, Storm is the only one to have had a real sword fight and won. (Cable kinda...) I take that as a huge win. Also, I know people are not happy with the plot device, but Skybreaker was greatly important to this fight. It literally shattered Death's sword. Who's to say that any other sword would have been able to do so? For all intents and purposes, she needed that particular sword especially given the way it's durability was described in the story. This fight took me back to old Ro with her strength of will and resolve. Her sense of duty pulled her through even when she literally was handicapped in the biggest way. I was very impressed.

I'm just disappointed we did not have more pages of a fight truly worthy of both opponents.

[QUOTE=metalclouds;5237785]I dont understand people being disappointed in the fight. What more of a fight was he to give her? He fought her hand to hand combat with weapons and she was the better fighter. Y'all forget she was trained by Wolverine and others. Then he got mad and tried to KILL her with is Death Stare which he literally couldn't killed her in an instant knowing people have to see to have a fair chance at fighting. She used her intelligence and finished him off. Storm been beating bitches asses for years and I love it

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That + Your words = ME SLAYED! Lol well said. I wanted more panels personally, just to illustrate Death's competence as a combatant and add more intensity to their fight, but I'm not mad at what we got. He went in arrogant and thought she'd be easy meat for the vamps given her powerless drunken state....then Storm was like "[I]Surpise Bitch![/I]"

[QUOTE=Sdawg;5237931]I'm a little confused too. I mean I take this fight as a huge feat for Storm. She wasn't fighting some street level trained fighter. She was up against a person who had been fighting a demon horde for thousands of years and is considered to be one of the strongest mutants of all and she beat him while being tipsy and without her powers. This says a lot about her hand to hand prowess. As a matter of fact, Storm hasn't done much with her powers at all and have gotten past some of the best Wakanda had to offer and this anciently powerful mutant. It's also worth nothing that outside of Wolverine, Storm is the only one to have had a real sword fight and won. (Cable kinda...) I take that as a huge win. Also, I know people are not happy with the plot device, but Skybreaker was greatly important to this fight. It literally shattered Death's sword. Who's to say that any other sword would have been able to do so? For all intents and purposes, she needed that particular sword especially given the way it's durability was described in the story. This fight took me back to old Ro with her strength of will and resolve. Her sense of duty pulled her through even when she literally was handicapped in the biggest way. I was very impressed.[/QUOTE]

Well said. This event, especially last week, took a bit of a draw dropping turn, but I overall I like what we've received so far. There are other interesting and powerful aspect to Storm that are getting some much needed shine (doesn't happen often enough).

[QUOTE=Devaishwarya;5237971]I'm just disappointed we did not have more pages of a fight truly worthy of both opponents.[/QUOTE]

I agree. Cassara's art is amazing and I was looking forward to a good lengthy battle (a dance of death). Perhaps their more to come for Storm.

[QUOTE=Sdawg;5237931]I'm a little confused too. I mean I take this fight as a huge feat for Storm. She wasn't fighting some street level trained fighter. She was up against a person who had been fighting a demon horde for thousands of years and is considered to be one of the strongest mutants of all and she beat him while being tipsy and without her powers. This says a lot about her hand to hand prowess. As a matter of fact, Storm hasn't done much with her powers at all and have gotten past some of the best Wakanda had to offer and this anciently powerful mutant. It's also worth nothing that outside of Wolverine, Storm is the only one to have had a real sword fight and won. (Cable kinda...) I take that as a huge win. Also, I know people are not happy with the plot device, but Skybreaker was greatly important to this fight. It literally shattered Death's sword. Who's to say that any other sword would have been able to do so? For all intents and purposes, she needed that particular sword especially given the way it's durability was described in the story. This fight took me back to old Ro with her strength of will and resolve. Her sense of duty pulled her through even when she literally was handicapped in the biggest way. I was very impressed.[/QUOTE]

Thank you cause when he tried to instant kill Storm but got dragged, I gagged.
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[QUOTE=Wind Rider;5238018]That + Your words = ME SLAYED! Lol well said. I wanted more panels personally, just to illustrate Death's competence as a combatant and add more intensity to their fight, but I'm not mad at what we got. He went in arrogant and thought she'd be easy meat for the vamps given her powerless drunken state....then Storm was like "[I]Surpise Bitch![/I]"



Well said. This event, especially last week, took a bit of a draw dropping turn, but I overall I like what we've received so far. There are other interesting and powerful aspect to Storm that are getting some much needed shine (doesn't happen often enough).
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FACTS!:cool:

[QUOTE=Sdawg;5237931]I'm a little confused too. I mean I take this fight as a huge feat for Storm. She wasn't fighting some street level trained fighter. She was up against a person who had been fighting a demon horde for thousands of years and is considered to be one of the strongest mutants of all and she beat him while being tipsy and without her powers. This says a lot about her hand to hand prowess. As a matter of fact, Storm hasn't done much with her powers at all and have gotten past some of the best Wakanda had to offer and this anciently powerful mutant. It's also worth nothing that outside of Wolverine, Storm is the only one to have had a real sword fight and won. (Cable kinda...) I take that as a huge win. Also, I know people are not happy with the plot device, but Skybreaker was greatly important to this fight. It literally shattered Death's sword. Who's to say that any other sword would have been able to do so? For all intents and purposes, she needed that particular sword especially given the way it's durability was described in the story. This fight took me back to old Ro with her strength of will and resolve. Her sense of duty pulled her through even when she literally was handicapped in the biggest way. I was very impressed.[/QUOTE]

Preach! Our. Girl. Did. That!

Storm deserves better than whatever that PIS was. You mean to tell me she (possibly) ruined her relationship with the Wakandan Royal family for a sword that doesn't do anything special? This entire event has just felt like it's trying so hard to be weird and subversive, and not in a good way. A powerless, poisoned Storm shouldn't so easily win a fight like that without any drama or tension. I'm not saying she should have lost. Of course she'd win, but it's how she won that's a problem for me. You invent a Wakandan sword out of thin air called Skybreaker (a name that sounds like too conveniently made for a weather controlling mutant), talk it up as a sword that could cause a civil war if stolen, have Storm impatiently steal it from the Wakandans, have her break up with the guy she's apparently so in love with in his own book, and then the only thing she does with it is stab her opponent. She couldn't even beat Shuri in a swordfight without using her powers in Marauders, but stomps an Apocalypse horseman that's been fighting for millennia while being drunk and poisoned and powerless. She deserved a better fight.

[QUOTE=Blind Wedjat;5238264]Storm deserves better than whatever that PIS was. You mean to tell me she (possibly) ruined her relationship with the Wakandan Royal family for a sword that doesn't do anything special? This entire event has just felt like it's trying so hard to be weird and subversive, and not in a good way. A powerless, poisoned Storm shouldn't so easily win a fight like that without any drama or tension. I'm not saying she should have lost. Of course she'd win, but it's how she won that's a problem for me. You invent a Wakandan sword out of thin air called Skybreaker (a name that sounds like too conveniently made for a weather controlling mutant), talk it up as a sword that could cause a civil war if stolen, have Storm impatiently steal it from the Wakandans, have her break up with the guy she's apparently so in love with in his own book, and then the only thing she does with it is stab her opponent. She couldn't even beat Shuri in a swordfight without using her powers in Marauders, but stomps an Apocalypse horseman that's been fighting for millennia while being drunk and poisoned and powerless. She deserved a better fight.[/QUOTE]

It doesn't have to be PIS at all. Storm did more than just stab Death with Skybreaker. Skybreaker literally shattered the sword of her opponent who was also wielding a legendary weapon, therefore, Skybreaker was very necessary. The short length of the fight doesn't mean that the fight was won easily. Much of the early panels show Storm at a disadvantage. Storm acting quickly however speaks to how high the stakes in the fight were for Storm. In her slightly incapacitated state, she would not have been able to win if she went for the proverbial 12 rounds or had an epic duel with Death. Instead, it forced her to have to be accurate and quick with her blow, which she was, and go for a first round knockout. Skybreaker, love it or not, was a plot device used to show Storm's devotion to putting her mission and the needs of others before her own, including her personal relationships. Heroes have been faced with this dilemma throughout the history of comic books, many times in ways that don't make much sense. The execution can be argued but Storm was not impatient or irrational. She was responsible given the set of circumstances that she was dealing with in the story. Both waiting for T'Challa and stealing the sword were risky. Storm chose the one that she thought incurred the least amount of risk and that was stealing the sword so that the world could live to see another day most likely believing that the relationship with Wakanda could be mended. She hinted at this by saying that the relationships were not over but would need to time to heal. For all of her trouble, in this story, she finally put the sword to good use. The sword fight with Shuri and Death were completely different in that Shuri and Storm were not fighting to the death. Storm and Shuri, though high stakes, was having more of a respectable dual where they were trying their best to subdue the other with the minimal amount of damage being done to one another. That cannot be said about the fight between Storm and Death. A fight to the death would bring about a whole different level of intensity and focus and perhaps even acumen as survival kicks in even while being slightly incapacitated. Perhaps, that was Death's downfall. It was clear that Storm was far more intense because the fight meant more to her than it did to Death, and that ended up being his undoing. That's what makes this fight such a big win for Storm. It hearkens back to the old days when Storm was a boss even without her powers. It also proves that the stealing of Skybreaker was well worth it (although being controversial) as it helped her to "potentially" save the world (the story isn't over yet).

I appreciated Storm winning but...even I could admit that it was an instance of PIS in a "tournament" that is just one big PIS since Marauders 14 (the moment Wolverine stabs Saturnyne is when they started to lose me.)

[QUOTE=Devaishwarya;5238451]I appreciated Storm winning but...even I could admit that it was an instance of PIS in a "tournament" that is just one big PIS since Marauders 14 (the moment Wolverine stabs Saturnyne is when they started to lose me.)[/QUOTE]

At this point I'm reading more out of habit than anything else.

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KING IN BLACK: RETURN OF THE VALKYRIES #3

JASON AARON & TORUNN GRØNBEKK (W), NINA VAKUEVA (A)

Cover by MATTIA DE IULIS

Profile Variant cover by PHIL NOTO

Headshot Variant cover by TODD NAUCK

BLACK HISTORY MONTH VARIANT COVER BY ERNANDA SOUZA

THE NEW VALKYRIE FINDS HER WEAPON -- WILL IT BE ENOUGH? Plus, a spotlight on Dani Moonstar as the X-Man fights to save both human and mutantkind! Jane Foster is going to need all the friends and power she can muster, but Knull and his symbiote army are slaughtering at a rate that even a hundred Valkyries couldn't match...and now Knull has some of the world's greatest heroes on his side. Can four warriors hope to stem the tide?

I have no choice...it's on my pull-list. I'm hoping Destruction will save it but...as of last week I'm just looking forward to December's books.

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KING IN BLACK: RETURN OF THE VALKYRIES #3

JASON AARON & TORUNN GRØNBEKK (W), NINA VAKUEVA (A)

Cover by MATTIA DE IULIS

Profile Variant cover by PHIL NOTO

Headshot Variant cover by TODD NAUCK

BLACK HISTORY MONTH VARIANT COVER BY ERNANDA SOUZA

THE NEW VALKYRIE FINDS HER WEAPON -- WILL IT BE ENOUGH? Plus, a spotlight on Dani Moonstar as the X-Man fights to save both human and mutantkind! Jane Foster is going to need all the friends and power she can muster, but Knull and his symbiote army are slaughtering at a rate that even a hundred Valkyries couldn't match...and now Knull has some of the world's greatest heroes on his side. Can four warriors hope to stem the tide?[/QUOTE]

I hope Storm doesn't jobs on this event.

[QUOTE=Sdawg;5238367]It doesn't have to be PIS at all. Storm did more than just stab Death with Skybreaker. Skybreaker literally shattered the sword of her opponent who was also wielding a legendary weapon, therefore, Skybreaker was very necessary. The short length of the fight doesn't mean that the fight was won easily. Much of the early panels show Storm at a disadvantage. Storm acting quickly however speaks to how high the stakes in the fight were for Storm. In her slightly incapacitated state, she would not have been able to win if she went for the proverbial 12 rounds or had an epic duel with Death. Instead, it forced her to have to be accurate and quick with her blow, which she was, and go for a first round knockout. Skybreaker, love it or not, was a plot device used to show Storm's devotion to putting her mission and the needs of others before her own, including her personal relationships. Heroes have been faced with this dilemma throughout the history of comic books, many times in ways that don't make much sense. The execution can be argued but Storm was not impatient or irrational. She was responsible given the set of circumstances that she was dealing with in the story. Both waiting for T'Challa and stealing the sword were risky. Storm chose the one that she thought incurred the least amount of risk and that was stealing the sword so that the world could live to see another day most likely believing that the relationship with Wakanda could be mended. She hinted at this by saying that the relationships were not over but would need to time to heal. For all of her trouble, in this story, she finally put the sword to good use. The sword fight with Shuri and Death were completely different in that Shuri and Storm were not fighting to the death. Storm and Shuri, though high stakes, was having more of a respectable dual where they were trying their best to subdue the other with the minimal amount of damage being done to one another. That cannot be said about the fight between Storm and Death. A fight to the death would bring about a whole different level of intensity and focus and perhaps even acumen as survival kicks in even while being slightly incapacitated. Perhaps, that was Death's downfall. It was clear that Storm was far more intense because the fight meant more to her than it did to Death, and that ended up being his undoing. That's what makes this fight such a big win for Storm. It hearkens back to the old days when Storm was a boss even without her powers. It also proves that the stealing of Skybreaker was well worth it (although being controversial) as it helped her to "potentially" save the world (the story isn't over yet).[/QUOTE]

Skybreaker easily shattering Black Bone is the epitome of lazy writing, because for an event that put so much emphasis on the collection of powerful and special swords, it hasn't bothered to even show what makes these swords and the matchups unique. It's almost like the writers can't handle Hickman's elaborate concepts and just decide to do whatever for the sake of moving the story forward.

Last I checked, the name of the sword was Skybreaker, not "Swordbreaker" and it had its own unique powers of being able to shoot lightning or some kind of energy...none of which was used in this issue. You invent a whole artefact from another culture, name it Skybreaker and give it lightning powers, give it to freaking Storm, then depower her and the only thing she does is use it as a mirror one and as a stabbing weapon? Come on now. Let's call BS when BS happens. Even putting my issues with Marauders 14 aside, that's just such a lazy fight for a tournament arc event.

But the context of Marauders 14 actually makes the entire thing worse because according to how Shuri put it, taking Skybreaker from Wakanda would cause "brother to turn against brother" and cause civil unrest in Wakanda. Yet at no point as Storm since then reflect on the fact that to save one people she may have doomed another (again, according to Marauders 14). Considering that Shuri and Ramonda tried to offer her any other sword but she insisted on Skybreaker, I expected a whole lot more than Really Strong Sword #425 (which is not the property of Skybreaker that was talked up and is something any other Wakandan blade can do). That sounds like a writer making out a thing to be more important than it actually really is, which is in itself a microcosm of the problems with this entire event.

A fight to the death vs a Death horseman should have more dramatic weight and tension to it other than a quick stab. You'd think for all the teases of Storm's dynamic with him would have given us a more intense and interesting fight. This matters a lot when we're talking about fights in fiction. It's not about realism: it's about selling the drama. There's no drama in any of these fights, and it feels like a lazy attempt at subverting expectations.

Lol, Storm did the "Spartan kick" to death.
Also Storm cussed,even more goodies.

[QUOTE=Blind Wedjat;5238618]Skybreaker easily shattering Black Bone is the epitome of lazy writing, because for an event that put so much emphasis on the collection of powerful and special swords, it hasn't bothered to even show what makes these swords and the matchups unique. It's almost like the writers can't handle Hickman's elaborate concepts and just decide to do whatever for the sake of moving the story forward.

Last I checked, the name of the sword was Skybreaker, not "Swordbreaker" and it had its own unique powers of being able to shoot lightning or some kind of energy...none of which was used in this issue. You invent a whole artefact from another culture, name it Skybreaker and give it lightning powers, give it to freaking Storm, then depower her and the only thing she does is use it as a mirror one and as a stabbing weapon? Come on now. Let's call BS when BS happens. Even putting my issues with Marauders 14 aside, that's just such a lazy fight for a tournament arc event.

But the context of Marauders 14 actually makes the entire thing worse because according to how Shuri put it, taking Skybreaker from Wakanda would cause "brother to turn against brother" and cause civil unrest in Wakanda. Yet at no point as Storm since then reflect on the fact that to save one people she may have doomed another (again, according to Marauders 14). Considering that Shuri and Ramonda tried to offer her any other sword but she insisted on Skybreaker, I expected a whole lot more than Really Strong Sword #425 (which is not the property of Skybreaker that was talked up and is something any other Wakandan blade can do). That sounds like a writer making out a thing to be more important than it actually really is, which is in itself a microcosm of the problems with this entire event.

A fight to the death vs a Death horseman should have more dramatic weight and tension to it other than a quick stab. You'd think for all the teases of Storm's dynamic with him would have given us a more intense and interesting fight. This matters a lot when we're talking about fights in fiction. It's not about realism: it's about selling the drama. There's no drama in any of these fights, and it feels like a lazy attempt at subverting expectations.[/QUOTE]

It was a fight to draw first blood first of all and if Storm had her powers there is not a single member on the other team so far that could beat her. The only one who possibly stands a chance outside of genesis is proably white sword but even then i have no doubt storm would have been able to take out all 100 of his swords while chilling up in the air doing her nails. To me it seems more people are bitter about the slight against wakanda then they are the actual event. It made no sense Tchalla didn't let Storm fight Doom, it made no sense that tchalla was living his life in hell's kitchen while he had a wife but somehow a sword being taken and not being used as people expect is the biggestg travesty ever.

[QUOTE=BlkGldBlu;5238701]Lol, Storm did the "Spartan kick" to death.
Also Storm cussed,even more goodies.[/QUOTE]


I literally stomped my feet at that panel. Our girl is that bitch. lol

I agree with alot of you that the fight could have been longer and Death could have been shown some true skills.
But I look at some the other fights they all seem to be cut short and heavily edited.
Storm could of taking a few blows and cut here there,. But overall great showing. Taking down big name while powerless. Now if she can hurry home and cuddle up with T'Challa.

if she got cut she would have lost. I feel like i'm the only one that read the battle was first to draw blood. if she bled in anyway she would have lost. It says it in the issue of cable where it list the titles of all the events with Apoc vs. Genesis being the 25th and final battle.

[QUOTE=jwatson;5238725]if she got cut she would have lost. I feel like i'm the only one that read the battle was first to draw blood. if she bled in anyway she would have lost. It says it in the issue of cable where it list the titles of all the events with Apoc vs. Genesis being the 25th and final battle.[/QUOTE]

Thank you, I was searching for the terms of battle, I assume it was battle to the death deal.

[QUOTE=BlkGldBlu;5238735]Thank you, I was searching for the terms of battle, I assume it was battle to the death deal.[/QUOTE]

No problem. Here is the list of battles.

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I remember when ppl said Death was gonna kill Storm. I must laugh

Sniff Sniff. Ah, it’s good to be back. I see nothings changed. I’m Gone.

Before I go. I must say I’m very surprised at Benjamin Percy’s version of Storm. He wrote her extremely well, I’m baffled really. DoX is being good to Storm. Hmm that’s a first.

I pray they keep this momentum going.

[QUOTE=BlkGldBlu;5238735]Thank you, I was searching for the terms of battle, I assume it was battle to the death deal.[/QUOTE]

Technically, it still was though as the blood would no doubt attract the vampires to feast on them. So Storm was still fighting for her life. Death seemed to be fighting like he had nothing to lose and like he wasn't going to lose. Again, that turned out to be his undoing. Perhaps he didn't underestimate Storm but overestimated the effectiveness of the drink that was spiked on Storm's ability and will lol. He, I think, really hoped that she would forfeit. There was a reason he gave that scarab to Mad Jim after all...