Maybe he should actually just be removed from Bat editors. I mean we see it's not doing him any good. They don't build up on Bludhaven just use him more for Batman. We just need him to be out of the Batfam. Superman editors? JL Editors
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Maybe he should actually just be removed from Bat editors. I mean we see it's not doing him any good. They don't build up on Bludhaven just use him more for Batman. We just need him to be out of the Batfam. Superman editors? JL Editors
[QUOTE=Ascended;5178471]Some, not much. They don't often operate in the same circles. :p Last time they crossed paths, that I know of, was in Robinson's JL just before the reboot. They joked, casually flirted for a minute, that's about it. And that's about all they ever do, on the rare occasion they run into each other.
My PowerWing ship isn't so much based on what is on the page already, but what *could* be. :D[/QUOTE]
Here I was eager to add more books to my backlog, lol.
They need to go back to basics, the Ric situation flubbed what good they had with Rebirth.
[QUOTE=Hizashi;5178636]Here I was eager to add more books to my backlog, lol.
They need to go back to basics, the Ric situation flubbed what good they had with Rebirth.[/QUOTE]
Ha! Sorry to disappoint. :D
I'd agree with getting back to basics, but....what's "back to basics" here? Back to Bludhaven? Back to Bat-lite? Back to the NTT? DC has eroded Dick's status so utterly and for so long I don't even know what the "basics" would be now, and I'm not sure if I want them in the first place.
To hell with playing it safe and getting back to basics, I'd rather see Nightwing built up and invested in; I want new and improved, not same old same old. Find the core of the character and his appeal again, yes, if that's the basics then I'm in total agreement with you. But I don't want the basics if it's treated as the endgame and not the starting point. Take the essential core, but then build up and out, with an eye towards sculpting Nightwing as a viable, sustainable solo property.
[QUOTE=Ascended;5178666]Ha! Sorry to disappoint. :D
I'd agree with getting back to basics, but....what's "back to basics" here? Back to Bludhaven? Back to Bat-lite? Back to the NTT? DC has eroded Dick's status so utterly and for so long I don't even know what the "basics" would be now, and I'm not sure if I want them in the first place.
To hell with playing it safe and getting back to basics, I'd rather see Nightwing built up and invested in; I want new and improved, not same old same old. Find the core of the character and his appeal again, yes, if that's the basics then I'm in total agreement with you. But I don't want the basics if it's treated as the endgame and not the starting point. Take the essential core, but then build up and out, with an eye towards sculpting Nightwing as a viable, sustainable solo property.[/QUOTE]
Point. Dick is screwed when getting back to basic because his basic is "be batman's sidekick and try to get out of it"
That's what his old series was based on. Becoming independent after initially going to Bludhaven on a mission from Batman (after the first time he went independent in Teen Titans).
So now that we've established that he's independent, and actually managed to clean Bludhaven before it got nuked, move on. Either stay in a clean city since Bludhaven is not nuked today and make a story around that or move to a different city and clean that one so his status quo isn't Trying To Be Independent, but One Man Cleaning Service, or as Seeley better put it, International Task Force Of One.
Where other hero fails to change the status quo, he succeeds, because he truly is Better Than Batman, and Batman would be proud. He's mentioned in Outsiders to be The Best Thing Batman Has Ever Done, so let's do it do it do it.
...I just remember that we started Rebirth with Better Than Batman and ended with Who Am I What Am I Doing, and now I'm angy again
This is why in a sense why I would like that Bludhaven, unlike Gotham, looks clean it's not looking like crime takes place everything is secret. Bludhaven is a good city from the outside. However, Dick knows better. He lives that many of the enemies he learns about aren't even in Bludhaven. Setting him off a global training from time to time.
[QUOTE=Ascended;5178236]
Oh, on a totally unrelated note; another reason I found to push a Nightwing-Power Girl romance; they both have crap real names that have become synonymous with bad things; the loud overbearing middle aged blonde white woman who wants to speak to your manager is a Karen (Power Girl's earth name) while any d-bag who's rude and inconsiderate is a dick.[/QUOTE]
As your fellow brother in PowerWing, goddamn dude that's a streeeeetch worthy of Eel O'Brian. :p
For those asking, yeah, the didn't interact much but they did for a moment during her solo series in issue #17. They had some fun chemistry, but otherwise they don't operate in the same circles as Ascended mentioned. It really is just what [I]could[/I] be, not that the DickBabs and DickFire shippers will ever allow anything outside their preferred ship. PowerWing can and should be the neutral zone both come together in. Blessed be.
I can't ship anyone Prime Universe with Power Girl anymore without the WEIRD overtones of them also being friends with Supergirl.
Except Jimmy Olsen. For some reason I feel like he could find himself in that strange dynamic and he's just such a chill dude that the cringe of it all would roll off him. Cringey? Fringe. Fringey? That kind of stuff happened on Fringe a lot, yeah? The sketch nature of having f***ed this person who is ... pretty young ... but you know ... alternate reality. Humans all start young and grow into adults, adulthood and ... well, adult content ... but when you're Dick Grayson and you're FRIENDS with this like 17 year old blond girl who his one of your BFF's little cousin, and then you're like, presented with some kinky Earth-2 statutory rape avoidance method, when in your universe, on your timeline, the girl you know, baseline, is underage, is sketccchhhhhy.
Justice League kids should definitely have a "No Multiversal Fraternization Policy" just for the ethics involved, not just the cosmic screw-ups that could result.
Now all that being said ... I like Kara a lot and she's been around since the early 1960s. She's not the plucky teenage side character anymore and has aged up almost as much as Dick has to the point where her key Pop Culture "known version" is a young Adult person just like Dick Grayson. And I like all the Karen Starr motifs and additional character ticks and beats and stuff (although I still can't really figure how Supergirl "growing up" involves a complete change in body type and huge jugs other than you know, Men Wrote This).
So I can see a young adult Kara/Karen evolution-fusion graduating to be Prime Earth Power Girl and trading blue for white and being a good SHIP-MATCH for Dick Grayson, and passing the Supergirl mantle on to a new plucky teen. Dick and Kara could be a solid match chemistry-wise. I'd like to think the Supers are more sensible people less prone to interpersonal drama, though, and that Kara would be smart enough to think back about Dick's relationship history and track record and be like "yeah gonna pass on that."
Just kind of had an idea for an art where Superman and Superboy and a new Supergirl wear blue, Kara/Powergirl (halfway-grown-up-hybrid-version) wears white and Conner wears red.
[QUOTE=Ascended;5178666]Ha! Sorry to disappoint. :D
I'd agree with getting back to basics, but....what's "back to basics" here? Back to Bludhaven? Back to Bat-lite? Back to the NTT? DC has eroded Dick's status so utterly and for so long I don't even know what the "basics" would be now, and I'm not sure if I want them in the first place.
To hell with playing it safe and getting back to basics, I'd rather see Nightwing built up and invested in; I want new and improved, not same old same old. Find the core of the character and his appeal again, yes, if that's the basics then I'm in total agreement with you. But I don't want the basics if it's treated as the endgame and not the starting point. Take the essential core, but then build up and out, with an eye towards sculpting Nightwing as a viable, sustainable solo property.[/QUOTE]
Absolutely the latter, I don’t want him anywhere near Blüdhaven.
[QUOTE=K. Jones;5178931]I can't ship anyone Prime Universe with Power Girl anymore without the WEIRD overtones of them also being friends with Supergirl.
Except Jimmy Olsen. For some reason I feel like he could find himself in that strange dynamic and he's just such a chill dude that the cringe of it all would roll off him. Cringey? Fringe. Fringey? That kind of stuff happened on Fringe a lot, yeah? The sketch nature of having f***ed this person who is ... pretty young ... but you know ... alternate reality. Humans all start young and grow into adults, adulthood and ... well, adult content ... but when you're Dick Grayson and you're FRIENDS with this like 17 year old blond girl who his one of your BFF's little cousin, and then you're like, presented with some kinky Earth-2 statutory rape avoidance method, when in your universe, on your timeline, the girl you know, baseline, is underage, is sketccchhhhhy.
Justice League kids should definitely have a "No Multiversal Fraternization Policy" just for the ethics involved, not just the cosmic screw-ups that could result.
Now all that being said ... I like Kara a lot and she's been around since the early 1960s. She's not the plucky teenage side character anymore and has aged up almost as much as Dick has to the point where her key Pop Culture "known version" is a young Adult person just like Dick Grayson. And I like all the Karen Starr motifs and additional character ticks and beats and stuff (although I still can't really figure how Supergirl "growing up" involves a complete change in body type and huge jugs other than you know, Men Wrote This).
So I can see a young adult Kara/Karen evolution-fusion graduating to be Prime Earth Power Girl and trading blue for white and being a good SHIP-MATCH for Dick Grayson, and passing the Supergirl mantle on to a new plucky teen. Dick and Kara could be a solid match chemistry-wise. I'd like to think the Supers are more sensible people less prone to interpersonal drama, though, and that Kara would be smart enough to think back about Dick's relationship history and track record and be like "yeah gonna pass on that."
Just kind of had an idea for an art where Superman and Superboy and a new Supergirl wear blue, Kara/Powergirl (halfway-grown-up-hybrid-version) wears white and Conner wears red.[/QUOTE]
How does Karen being from Earth2 make things cringe for Dick? He doesn't really have much interaction with Supergirl that I know of anyway.
[QUOTE=dropkickjake;5179147]How does Karen being from Earth2 make things cringe for Dick? He doesn't really have much interaction with Supergirl that I know of anyway.[/QUOTE]
They became friends during James Robinson's JLA.
About going back to basics or not, doesn't really matter. What is really important is the writer. A good writer can do a great back to basics story or make new stuff.
The real decision is who DC will choose to write him.
[QUOTE=Robanker;5178810]As your fellow brother in PowerWing, goddamn dude that's a streeeeetch worthy of Eel O'Brian. [/QUOTE]
I know! :D Don't even care! :D No logic is too thin in my eternal quest to make PowerWing happen! :p
[QUOTE=K. Jones;5178931]I can't ship anyone Prime Universe with Power Girl anymore without the WEIRD overtones of them also being friends with Supergirl. [/QUOTE]
I gotta say, that's an odd logic my friend.
Dick and Kara aren't even close; back in the day Kara had a crush on Dick (who doesnt?) and Dick treated her the same way he treats most of the young heroes he mentors. There was definitely nothing deeper than that, as far as I saw.
Karen and Kara aren't even similar people, despite being the "same" person from different earths; Karen's older, has a completely different personality, a completely different body type....they're nothing alike and basically only share a name and blonde hair. If anything, the PowerWing-Supergirl dynamic would be like a high school basketball coach who ends up dating the (much) older sister of one of his players; yeah it might be a tad awkward at Thanksgiving but it's far from being some kind of weird statutory stand-in.
You're right that CW Supergirl is close to Dick's age, and if comic Kara caught up in age to Dick and basically became Power Girl, then....sure? I guess? But at that point, the character isn't Kara anymore and has just replaced Karen. Doesn't seem like we'd actually gain anything we don't already have.
Yeah, in the comics Supergirl doesn't grow up. The pre-Crisis one died when barely into her 20s, and the only version older than that is the Arrowverse one. The 80s movie one was at high school. 90s Linda was also a teenager, as was the post-Crisis Kara eventually introduced near the end of that run. Then she got rebooted again with the New 52, and was back at high school again in Rebirth. Power Girl, meanwhile, is supposed to be mid to late 20s. And yeah, the common things they use to differentiate the two are shorter hair and bigger boobs. Frankly, classic Power Girl is dated, they're better off using her legacy character Tanya Spears from now on. In which case, Supergirl would be the older one. Kara should at least be aged up enough to have left school, but too much would probably break her continuity.
Was Kara older than Dick pre-COIE? Babs was, so I assumed she was too though perhaps not as much.
She really should at least be in the same vague early 20s age range as Dick and current Babs.
[QUOTE=SiegePerilous02;5179607]Was Kara older than Dick pre-COIE? Babs was, so I assumed she was too though perhaps not as much.
She really should at least be in the same vague early 20s age range as Dick and current Babs.[/QUOTE]
I'm pro powerwing. I'll say that at the outset.
However, my first real look at the character of Supergirl was the early n52 run. I think that run is a bit outside the norm of supergirl's character? Either way, I actually found that concept incredibly intriguing. Having been a teenager on Krypton, having memories of a lost home, showing up on distant shores as a refugee and immigrant who doesn't speak the language or understand the culture... this makes the character super interesting to me. Gives a (very natural) segue to being a comics take on the immigrant experience the way that X-Men was a comics take on civil rights.
If you started with that character and aged her to just her early 20s, I'd be pro Dick/Supergirl.
[QUOTE=SiegePerilous02;5179607]Was Kara older than Dick pre-COIE? [/QUOTE]Kara age in relation to Dicks pre-COIE is kind of wired (at least based on what I can see with quick look at [URL="https://dc.fandom.com/wiki/Kara_Zor-El_(Earth-One)"]DC wikia[/URL]).
She was apparently 15 when she landed on Earth (published 1959) which would make her roughly the same age as Dick, it seems that she aged much faster than Dick, for example (based on DC wika) she went to collage in 1966 and graduated in 1971, while Dick went to collage in 1969 and was basically in his fist year and at the age of 18 until the early 80s. I'm not sure how old she was in Crisis on Infinite earth, but she was very likely older than Dick and more Barbaras age at that point.
How bad would it be to make Kara the same age as Dick so they can date each other
[QUOTE=Aahz;5179667]Kara age in relation to Dicks pre-COIE is kind of wired (at least based on what I can see with quick look at [URL="https://dc.fandom.com/wiki/Kara_Zor-El_(Earth-One)"]DC wikia[/URL]).
She was apparently 15 when she landed on Earth (published 1959) which would make her roughly the same age as Dick, it seems that she aged much faster than Dick, for example (based on DC wika) she went to collage in 1966 and graduated in 1971, while Dick went to collage in 1969 and was basically in his fist year and at the age of 18 until the early 80s. I'm not sure how old she was in Crisis on Infinite earth, but she was very likely older than Dick and more Barbaras age at that point.[/QUOTE]
She got an Age Reset in the 80s. She did graduate and work, then quit the job to go back to college in the 70s, but in 1982, she started college again as a high school graduate.
Meanwhile, according to Marv Wolfman, Dick was 21 years old in 1984 when he became Nightwing
[QUOTE=dropkickjake;5179638]I'm pro powerwing. I'll say that at the outset.
However, my first real look at the character of Supergirl was the early n52 run. I think that run is a bit outside the norm of supergirl's character?[/QUOTE]
For backstory, no, that's standard, classic Supergirl (and it *is* interesting stuff). For personality.....I dunno if we can say the New52 was outside the norm, because Kara hasn't really had a "norm" for thirty-something years.
She usually bounces between "All-American sweetheart" and "angry, angsty teen" depending on which way the wind is blowing outside DC's offices.
[QUOTE]If you started with that character and aged her to just her early 20s, I'd be pro Dick/Supergirl.[/QUOTE]
I wouldn't be completely against it either, though I think Karen is still the more interesting match.
[QUOTE=Digifiend;5179576]Yeah, in the comics Supergirl doesn't grow up. The pre-Crisis one died when barely into her 20s, and the only version older than that is the Arrowverse one. The 80s movie one was at high school. 90s Linda was also a teenager, as was the post-Crisis Kara eventually introduced near the end of that run. Then she got rebooted again with the New 52, and was back at high school again in Rebirth. Power Girl, meanwhile, is supposed to be mid to late 20s. And yeah, the common things they use to differentiate the two are shorter hair and bigger boobs. Frankly, classic Power Girl is dated, they're better off using her legacy character Tanya Spears from now on. In which case, Supergirl would be the older one. Kara should at least be aged up enough to have left school, but too much would probably break her continuity.[/QUOTE]
No. Keep Karen as Power Girl and with the JSA, where she should be once they relaunch them with the team from Doomsday Clock, since she was there with them, hopefully next year.
Tanya can either get her own new code name or go by her actual name, if somebody comes up with a plan for her.
Is the JSA get in the past or present?
[QUOTE=Restingvoice;5179731]She got an Age Reset in the 80s. She did graduate and work, then quit the job to go back to college in the 70s, but in 1982, she started college again as a high school graduate.
Meanwhile, according to Marv Wolfman, Dick was 21 years old in 1984 when he became Nightwing[/QUOTE]
And an age reset in 2004, and an age reset in 2011. As well as her story involving her history repeating thrice, almost like every time there's a timeline change her escape rocket ship gets caught in the time dilation ripple and lands after the Event, destined to always show up at Earth age 17 after an Event, even as other characters who debuted around the same time do very slowly get older.
Supergirl's age is weird. Like isn't she technically older than Clark? And he's in his mid-30s. But she was ... in stasis or something? But I feel like I get that weirdness because the gist of the idea was "let's introduce a Super-Girl! This one will be more legit than previous ones, she's actually Clark's little cousin! She's an El!" but then like two weeks after her debut someone was like "Hey, Otto, if Superman was literally an infant sent from Krypton the day it exploded ... how the hell does he have a YOUNGER cousin?" So she's got a little bit of weird age built-in. It's not Arisia bad or anything. Just a wacky sci-fi solution to a storytelling problem.
Actually it occurs to me that I've fallen off the Supergirl books, mainly after who was it, Steve Orlando's cool run? I liked that they added a lot of CW vibes but I'm curious if she comes across as more young adult now? Like what age is she supposed to be representing? The internship at CatCo and stuff like that feels very college-level, which at least to me feels a little more "Tim Drake & Stephanie Brown Age".
Dick of course feels like someone who, "age-wise", has recently gotten his PhD in Superheroics.
Either way I'll say that as far as looks go, in-costume, either a Dick/Supergirl or Dick/Power Girl or Dick/Superpowergirl match would at least Look Fantastic, her all blonde and nice and bright, him all raven-haired and bad-ass, but kind-hearted. Very Eowyn & Faramir.
Being him in closer with the Superman family. I would love for him and Jon to meet.
[QUOTE=K. Jones;5180282]And an age reset in 2004, and an age reset in 2011. As well as her story involving her history repeating thrice, almost like every time there's a timeline change her escape rocket ship gets caught in the time dilation ripple and lands after the Event, destined to always show up at Earth age 17 after an Event, even as other characters who debuted around the same time do very slowly get older.
Supergirl's age is weird. Like isn't she technically older than Clark? And he's in his mid-30s. But she was ... in stasis or something? But I feel like I get that weirdness because the gist of the idea was "let's introduce a Super-Girl! This one will be more legit than previous ones, she's actually Clark's little cousin! She's an El!" but then like two weeks after her debut someone was like "Hey, Otto, if Superman was literally an infant sent from Krypton the day it exploded ... how the hell does he have a YOUNGER cousin?" So she's got a little bit of weird age built-in. It's not Arisia bad or anything. Just a wacky sci-fi solution to a storytelling problem.
Actually it occurs to me that I've fallen off the Supergirl books, mainly after who was it, Steve Orlando's cool run? I liked that they added a lot of CW vibes but I'm curious if she comes across as more young adult now? Like what age is she supposed to be representing? The internship at CatCo and stuff like that feels very college-level, which at least to me feels a little more "Tim Drake & Stephanie Brown Age".
Dick of course feels like someone who, "age-wise", has recently gotten his PhD in Superheroics.
Either way I'll say that as far as looks go, in-costume, either a Dick/Supergirl or Dick/Power Girl or Dick/Superpowergirl match would at least Look Fantastic, her all blonde and nice and bright, him all raven-haired and bad-ass, but kind-hearted. Very Eowyn & Faramir.[/QUOTE]
Kara was on high school during her internship at Catco.
I wouldn't like Dick and Kara. I think Kara is to too younger and unexperienced compared to Dick.
[QUOTE=Restingvoice;5179731]Meanwhile, according to Marv Wolfman, Dick was 21 years old in 1984 when he became Nightwing[/QUOTE]No he was 19 when he became Nightwing (after being 18 since 1969) and had his 20th Birthday during Crisis.
[QUOTE=K. Jones;5180282]
Supergirl's age is weird. Like isn't she technically older than Clark? And he's in his mid-30s. But she was ... in stasis or something? But I feel like I get that weirdness because the gist of the idea was "let's introduce a Super-Girl! This one will be more legit than previous ones, she's actually Clark's little cousin! She's an El!" but then like two weeks after her debut someone was like "Hey, Otto, if Superman was literally an infant sent from Krypton the day it exploded ... how the hell does he have a YOUNGER cousin?" So she's got a little bit of weird age built-in. It's not Arisia bad or anything. Just a wacky sci-fi solution to a storytelling problem.
Actually it occurs to me that I've fallen off the Supergirl books, mainly after who was it, Steve Orlando's cool run? I liked that they added a lot of CW vibes but I'm curious if she comes across as more young adult now? Like what age is she supposed to be representing? The internship at CatCo and stuff like that feels very college-level, which at least to me feels a little more "Tim Drake & Stephanie Brown Age".
[/QUOTE]
Not always, in the original version, she was born and raised in Argo City along with her parents and other Krypton survivors thanks to the shield dome her father built, until one day the shield broke and... somehow... maybe because of the lack of resources since it's only one city... there's only one ship, and so Kara was rocketed to Earth.
In the later versions, yeah, she's in stasis. The rocket got caught revolving around the sun, and so she built up more powers than Clark by the time she got to Earth.
I don't follow the current series
[QUOTE=Aahz;5180492]No he was 19 when he became Nightwing (after being 18 since 1969) and had his 20th Birthday during Crisis.[/QUOTE]
Oh, he changed his mind then. In that interview, he said he was writing, and Perez was drawing him as 21 years old.
[QUOTE=Ascended;5179819]For backstory, no, that's standard, classic Supergirl (and it *is* interesting stuff). For personality.....I dunno if we can say the New52 was outside the norm, because Kara hasn't really had a "norm" for thirty-something years.
She usually bounces between "All-American sweetheart" and "angry, angsty teen" depending on which way the wind is blowing outside DC's offices.
I wouldn't be completely against it either, though I think Karen is still the more interesting match.[/QUOTE]
I'm in danger of just making this a thread about Supergirl here I feel like, but whatever. "All-american sweetheart" is the characterization/personality I assumed was standard fair for supergirl, and it's the characterization that I think is bogus/lazy/blowing right past a beautiful chance to write something that is both a good comic book and a good social commentary without being shoehorned and preachy. Angsty teen is a lot closer to the characterization I'd love to see, but is still certainly a bit reductionist. It has been forever since I read it, but n52 Supergirl took her characterization in great direction for me. She wasn't comfortable on earth or in America. She was surrounded by aliens (from her pov) in a bizarre and backwards culture. That is a downright fascinating character for the Super family mythos; one that goes beyond the "Hey, you know how Superman is popular? Well this ones a GIRRRRRRLLL!!!!"
I think given the correct ages, that could make for a good ship with Dick. Empathetic. Has his own backstory of not really having a "home." I'm not sure that its the *best* ship for Dick. It's honestly just that I like both characters more than that I think they are crying out to be together. (Which is also probably why I've always been in favor of Stephanie Brown migrating into Dick's world as an annoying little sister trope.)
I do think the PG ship fits a bit nicer. All of the characterization I've read of her is a confident, powerful woman who doesn't take herself too seriously. Her solo from right before n52 had a healthy helping of humor, which slides in well with the tone a Nightwing book should take. Also, both Nightwing and Power Girl have been sex symbols of the comic industry (which, tbf, can be and at times has been problematic for both... could certainly be made a bit more subtle and dignified for Karen, I'd say).
Yeah, the adjustment and learning curve for Kara arriving on earth, how she comes to terms with what happened to Krypton, not to mention her "baby" cousin.....the whole thing could be far more interesting than DC usually sells it, they tend to just jump right over all of that so Kara can be a functional person in the world, wear a cape, and save lives. Even when DC tries to dig into all this a little bit, they never do much more than dip a toe into the water and it usually goes along with Kara having a crappy personality. I mean, you'd expect a teen going through all this to have an attitude and struggle but DC is just like "nope, angsty asshole teen is who she is and not just a result of what she's going through!"
For me, one of the biggest problems with a Kara-Dick thing is that Kara is a solo act with her own title. You'd run into the same problems you would if Dick were with Babs; as long as Babs (or Kara) have their own solo books, the logistics of a relationship with Dick is basically impossible as you'll have different writers in control, trying to pull things in their own direction. Look at how much DC struggled to balance Clark and Diana; the Wonder Woman book never even mentioned it because it went against the story Azz signed on for, and that's just the most obvious problem DC had trying to make two solo stars operate as a couple.
Better for a love interest to not have a solo title, to ensure that the relationship and dynamic is being driven by a single, unified vision. Team membership is fine, as long as the writer of the team book doesn't get to decide on the direction of the love interest.
Anybody think they'll ever collect the pre-Flashpoint Nightwing in any hardcover format? I prefer hardcovers...
Also, is there a list of comics where Dick appears as Batman?
After reading JL#54 I well say this, it good to see bignames like lex respect nightwing. Nightwing been in the minors for so long I thought big leaguers like lex and other JL forgot or didn't know who he was. So it good see nightwing isn't a no name, it's easy to forget now a days.
[QUOTE=Hizashi;5181278]Anybody think they'll ever collect the pre-Flashpoint Nightwing in any hardcover format? I prefer hardcovers...
Also, is there a list of comics where Dick appears as Batman?[/QUOTE]
Nightwing Year One's getting an HC deluxe but that's it, so maybe someday once he gets even more popular.
[QUOTE=Hizashi;5181278]Anybody think they'll ever collect the pre-Flashpoint Nightwing in any hardcover format? I prefer hardcovers...
Also, is there a list of comics where Dick appears as Batman?[/QUOTE]
Dixon’s stuff possibly, maybe Higgins cause it’s a complete volume.
And this is what I could find. Prodigal, Batman and Robin vol 1-4; Batman: Long Shadows; Batman: Life After Death; Batman: Eye of the Beholder; Streets of Gotham vol 1-3; Batman: The Gates of Gotham; Batman: The Black Mirror
[QUOTE=Restingvoice;5181728]Nightwing Year One's getting an HC deluxe but that's it, so maybe someday once he gets even more popular.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, snapped that one up real quick, gorgeous design.
[QUOTE=Godlike13;5181772]Dixon’s stuff possibly, maybe Higgins cause it’s a complete volume.
And this is what I could find. Prodigal, Batman and Robin vol 1-4; Batman: Long Shadows; Batman: Life After Death; Batman: Eye of the Beholder; Streets of Gotham vol 1-3; Batman: The Gates of Gotham; Batman: The Black Mirror[/QUOTE]
One can hope. Thanks for the list bud.
[QUOTE=Restingvoice;5181728]Nightwing Year One's getting an HC deluxe but that's it, so maybe someday once he gets even more popular.[/QUOTE]
He needs an animated movie
But what would his animated movie be about? I mean with Kara or Babs we have have the issue of Dc breaking them up. I mean Babs can be very jealous and nagging and Kara whole kind they might go the Starfire route and make her think Dick is cheating. I mean honestly Batman can appear in other books but not Dick. Sucks. Nightwing is a great hero and shouldn’t be limited to just Batman books.
I've read a theory that Young Justice makes Damian a baby, because they want Dick and Damian to be Batman and Robin in the future (since Bruce would be older).
I hope this isn't true, because that would mean they only see Nightwing as an intermediate state between Robin and Batman.
[QUOTE=Konja7;5182037]I've read a theory that Young Justice makes Damian a baby, because they want Dick and Damian to be Batman and Robin in the future (since Bruce would be older).
I hope this isn't true, because that would mean they only see Nightwing as an intermediate state between Robin and Batman.[/QUOTE]
Wouldn't that only be true if Tim picked up the Nightwing mantle simultaneously?
Scott Snyder talked about his Nightwing book.
It's a Black Label book called Nightwing: Parabola.
He doesn't know the full status yet.
- a detective grounded story
- Batman goes missing and the batfamily looks for him and protect Gotham
- Shows what would happen in a Gotham without Bruce but with the family there.
- Has artist
- A meditation on Dick Grayson the same way Last Knight on Earth is for Bruce
- Focuses on how Dick is an empathetic detective
- depicts him as a compassionate hero
Starts at the 36 min mark.
[video=youtube_share;pXsHvBk7pHQ]https://youtu.be/pXsHvBk7pHQ?t=2198[/video]
[QUOTE=Drako;5182143]Scott Snyder talked about his Nightwing book.
It's a Black Label book called Nightwing: Parabola.
He doesn't know the full status yet.
- a detective grounded story
- Batman goes missing and the batfamily looks for him and protect Gotham
- Shows what would happen in a Gotham without Bruce but with the family there.
- Has artist
- A meditation on Dick Grayson the same way Last Knight on Earth is for Bruce
- Focuses on how Dick is an empathetic detective
- depicts him as a compassionate hero
Starts at the 36 min mark.
[video=youtube_share;pXsHvBk7pHQ]https://youtu.be/pXsHvBk7pHQ?t=2198[/video][/QUOTE]
I really want this to get picked up. What do y'all think? Three issues? I'd hope for more, maybe six.
As for animated movies: Robin Year One could easily be adapted into an animated movie, and I think Humphries' The Untouchable could be a strong contender as well.
While six would be great, Black Label comics usually get 3 Issues, so that's probably too much to hope for. Tbh I'm gonna be happy as long as it gets approved.
Have to say I'm quite glad that Gordon Jr. isn't in it anymore. I never enjoyed him that much. I wonder if Snyder will incorperate another villain of that era instead or has already invented sb completely new.
Maybe if the pitch gets through and the comic does well, we'll even get to see more from Snyder. The way he speaks in the interview and wrote about Dick Grayson in May at least implies to me that Parabola isn't the only pitch he has or had.
Edit: I wonder if Parabola was supposed to tie Black Mirror and Gates of Gotham together?
[QUOTE=Drako;5182143]Scott Snyder talked about his Nightwing book.
It's a Black Label book called Nightwing: Parabola.
He doesn't know the full status yet.
- a detective grounded story
- Batman goes missing and the batfamily looks for him and protect Gotham
- Shows what would happen in a Gotham without Bruce but with the family there.
- Has artist
- A meditation on Dick Grayson the same way Last Knight on Earth is for Bruce
- Focuses on how Dick is an empathetic detective
- depicts him as a compassionate hero
Starts at the 36 min mark.
[video=youtube_share;pXsHvBk7pHQ]https://youtu.be/pXsHvBk7pHQ?t=2198[/video][/QUOTE]
Interesting - doesn't sound like my own, personal "Scott Snyder Steps In To Recontextualise And Save Dick Grayson" story, but more like a continuation in the same vein of, as Avi says, Black Mirror and Gates Of Gotham.
And I like both those stories, so that works for me.
Also, given those previous stories and the idea of being "the Bat Family" taking over, I'd expect Tim to probably come out of this pretty well.