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His rouges gallery is finally forming
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Talon and Shriek from the Dixon Nightwing series will be joint the next version of the suicide squad
His rouges gallery is finally forming
[QUOTE=WonderNight;5260330]Speaking of future state nightwing doesn't seem to have a future legacy of his own? No future Nightwing, DC really do view nightwing as just another sidekick don't they.[/QUOTE]
I actually think Nightwing should never be a legacy. It was an important aspect of the story that Dick was taking on his [i]own[/i] name. I'm not a legacy fan in general, but Nightwing least of all, because that was about not being in the shadow of another hero. A legacy would always be in Dick's shadow in a way that to me, would ...not exactly undermine, but be very contrary to what Dick was about when he took that identity.
In modern comics everything is a legacy it feels like. So I don't see Nightwing being immune to it, but at the same time I don't think DC cares enough about Nightwing to really care either way. That whole Teen Titans story sounds awful, but it is the Titans. So it was kind of expected as awful stories and the Titans kind of go hand in hand, haha. Also in the Injustice story and game they had Damian take over Nightwing, and more casual people are probably aware of that story than any more current Nightwing ones. Then they wanted Jason to take over Nightwing after Dick was supposed to die, and King wanted Tim to take over as Nightwing after being shot in the head. So there has been a lot of near stories where someone else was supposed to be Nightwing.
But overall I'm kind of indifferent to the Nightwing name and identity these days. To me it feels like Nightwing has hit its ceiling with how DC looks at it and the only direction he can go now is down, which is what the last few years have felt like to me.
Oh, and we just had the dumb cop Nightwings running around. I nearly had that erased from my memory, lol. So there is a very recent story of other characters running around in Nightwing costumes that weren't Dick. So Nightwing probably falls into being a legacy now.
Nightwing kind of always was a legacy since he got it from Superman. Though it may be a weird case since Clark never used it for anything more than an occasional side gig
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Maaaaannnn, I love this costume. The boot highlights, arm / finger stripes, a utility belt. Can we get this after Future State?
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Maaaaannnn, I love this costume. The boot highlights, arm / finger stripes, a utility belt. Can we get this after Future State?[/QUOTE]
His best look from the artist I most want on Nightwing ([B]AFTER Once & Future wraps up[/B])!
This Dick as Deathstroke shit sounds like one last hurrah from Didio. Please no.
[QUOTE=Robanker;5260835]Maaaaannnn, I love this costume. The boot highlights, arm / finger stripes, a utility belt. Can we get this after Future State?[/QUOTE]
[/QUOTE]His best look from the artist I most want on Nightwing [COLOR="#FF0000"]([B]AFTER Once & Future wraps up[/B])![/COLOR]
This Dick as Deathstroke shit sounds like one last hurrah from Didio. Please no.[/QUOTE]
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^ This is something I don't want to happen any time soon...
[QUOTE=Robanker;5260835]Maaaaannnn, I love this costume. The boot highlights, arm / finger stripes, a utility belt. Can we get this after Future State?[/QUOTE]
His best look from the artist I most want on Nightwing ([B]AFTER Once & Future wraps up[/B])!
This Dick as Deathstroke shit sounds like one last hurrah from Didio. Please no.[/QUOTE]
I don't know it actually seems pretty cool. Given all the history between the two characters throughout Titans history, cartoon, and past storylines like Nightwing Renegade I'm intrigued by it to be honest. Nothing could be worse than Ric. This actually seems interesting.
[QUOTE=Pohzee;5260124]If Deathstoke Nightwing is actually Dick, I think it has the potential to be very interesting. Certainly an innovative way to tie Red X to both Dick and Deathstroke, and the idea to blend the gold/orange and blue of the Mulletwing and Deathstroke suits is a smart parallel.[/QUOTE]
I agree with you on this. It's an interesting way to tie a lot of things together throughout the characters history. I'm going to approach this with a very open mind.
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But overall I'm kind of indifferent to the Nightwing name and identity these days. To me it feels like Nightwing has hit its ceiling with how DC looks at it and the only direction he can go now is down, which is what the last few years have felt like to me.[/QUOTE] I agree Nightwing has hit his ceiling, as a BAT! Nightwing as a Batman character has hit its ceiling but Nightwing as a independent ip hasn't even got started yet.
I think Deathstroke-Nightwing could be a cool idea. The thing for me is that Slade's and Dick's history has been erased since the N52 started. The only glimpse we've gotten of their interactions was Priest's run, then Dick had barely any influence in the... what was the crossover, Lazarus Contract? Makes me wonder if Red X won't be the only thing that's being integrated from the TT tv-show. With Newsarama being so set on saying it's Dick, I'm cautiously optimistic that this might be an intriguing glimpse into the future the same way Grayson: Futures End was, but given how bad this seems to handle the Titans I'll probably skip it.
[QUOTE=Badou;5260313]The only thing I liked from Future State was that Nightwing costume. Returning to the blue and gold felt fresh, but a Deathstroke mask kind of ruins it. The mask could have been blue and gold at least to match, lol. Now that Nightwing might not even be Dick? And I just have no interest in Red X as a character and the Titans look like it will be awful like usual. My expectation are so low after Future State I have no idea what toe expect when this mess is over.[/QUOTE]
A blue and gold Deathstroke mask would be pretty cool, but it seems more likely that this Nightwing just took it from the battlefield for whatever reason, so I get why it isn't. And yep, I have no idea what to expect either.
So, Sheridan on Titans not Williamson - that does surprise me! I'd imagined a bigger name, too, but then Sheridan was one of the writers Bleeding Cool flagged up as someone DC was very excited by earlier in the year...
Future State has Shazam having been part of the Titans, doesn't it? And with Sheridan too? I wonder if that means he'll join, or if Sheridan is getting the solo. Always thought Dick and Billy would be an interesting dynamic.
Minus the Deathstroke mask, I really like the Future State costume. I wouldn't mind it being his regular costume from now on.
Helps that it makes him look slightly less like a Bat tie in character than the black/blue one does.
I don't dislike it, but it doesn't feel as memorable or sleek as Dick's normal Nightwing look.
[QUOTE=SiegePerilous02;5261357]Minus the Deathstroke mask, I really like the Future State costume. I wouldn't mind it being his regular costume from now on.
Helps that it makes him look slightly less like a Bat tie in character than the black/blue one does.[/QUOTE]
Won't really fit with the dark and gritty gotham and bludhaven feel. But maybe could work in that Vegas bludhaven theme.
We should be getting a announcement for the nightwing book tomorrow. What do you hope for and what do you expect to see from the nightwing book.
I’m not expecting much. Just a new creative team I’ll have to look up taking over, with a new but usual direction. They completely wasted bringing him back. Two years as Ric all for nothing. In the end they still couldn’t bring themselves to plan anything, as 5G was the plan. Now they dug him a hole they are unprepared and too lazy to even try to dig him out off. He probably dies in FE Titans and that was to be his fate in 5G, but with 5G canned last minute they had to come up with something else for him last minute. So ya, not expecting much. Just another last minute direction with a new creative team that had little time to prepare and their biggest potential hook wasted.
Snyder or nothing.
[QUOTE=WonderNight;5260990]I agree Nightwing has hit his ceiling, as a BAT! Nightwing as a Batman character has hit its ceiling but Nightwing as a independent ip hasn't even got started yet.[/QUOTE]
I don't think it has anything to do with being a Bat. It's just for so long we've wanted Nightwing to finally get some other media presence and over the last few years he actually got it, but it didn't have the effect I once thought it would have. I thought once he got it that would springboard the character, but it kind of lead to nothing it feels like. Now when you look at what DC/WB is doing with their characters they are giving shows and movies to so many different characters that it no longer feels special, and to me it feels like they don't really look at Nightwing as something they can do more with. So it feels like he hit his ceiling. The next could of years will be very telling I think if they think of Nightwing as a brand or character they can do more with or not.
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A blue and gold Deathstroke mask would be pretty cool, but it seems more likely that this Nightwing just took it from the battlefield for whatever reason, so I get why it isn't. And yep, I have no idea what to expect either.[/QUOTE]
The mask has the Nightwing domino design on it, which the classic Deathstroke mask doesn't have, right? So maybe he didn't just pick it up off Deathstroke even if it feels like he did? Dunno. Looking at the design I don't mind it and would like it see it in a blue and gold version of it. I'd actually like Nightwing to wear a cool mask going forward even though I know his fans would riot probably. It's just there is a lot of value in having a cool mask I think in terms of marketing and increasing brand awareness. Just look at a Spider-man, Deadpool, Deathstroke, Red Hood, or even Daredevil. Their mask is such an essential part to their characters and awareness. Nightwing doesn't really have anything like that which I personally think is something that hurts the character.
[QUOTE=Frontier;5261418]I don't dislike it, but it doesn't feel as memorable or sleek as Dick's normal Nightwing look.[/QUOTE]
The blue and black costume is so basic though. It's basically an all black costume with bits of blue here and there, and it translates very poorly to live action and even other media as we have seen. Since they can't get the skin tight sleek look right. I'd just be fine with something more visually interesting now even if fans would hate it probably.
[QUOTE=WonderNight;5261887]We should be getting a announcement for the nightwing book tomorrow. What do you hope for and what do you expect to see from the nightwing book.[/QUOTE]
My hope is that they finally realize Bludhaven is a waste of time no matter how you dress it up, but I'm expecting more garbage Bludhaven stories. That is if he even gets his solo back after Future State.
[QUOTE=Badou;5262175]The blue and black costume is so basic though. It's basically an all black costume with bits of blue here and there, and it translates very poorly to live action and even other media as we have seen. Since they can't get the skin tight sleek look right. I'd just be fine with something more visually interesting now even if fans would hate it probably.[/QUOTE]
If by basic you mean streamlined, then I agree :).
I mean, I've never really seen it as poorly translated in other media for the most part but I guess it comes down to perspective.
[QUOTE=Mr. White;5260946][/QUOTE]His best look from the artist I most want on Nightwing [COLOR="#FF0000"]([B]AFTER Once & Future wraps up[/B])![/COLOR]
This Dick as Deathstroke shit sounds like one last hurrah from Didio. Please no.[/QUOTE]
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^ This is something I don't want to happen any time soon...[/QUOTE]
That book is great but he somehow squeezed in Dark Detective between issues and O&F is still solicited up to #16 without any delays I've noticed. Mora's a machine. Maybe he can do both. Who knows.
But I too am not willing to lose O&F for a DC book. Besides, DC would just give him to Batman the way they did Jiminez.
[QUOTE=Frontier;5262178]If by basic you mean streamlined, then I agree :).
I mean, I've never really seen it as poorly translated in other media for the most part but I guess it comes down to perspective.[/QUOTE]
I mean basic as in bland. It just just an all black jumpsuit where it feels like someone got a blue paint roller and went over his arms or chest. I don't mind it sometimes where it can look sleek like the Jim Lee version. Where it is skin tight and very clean, but that can't be done in other media well. It ends up looking like a weird black racecar jumpsuit with these awkward pieces of armor on it. There just isn't enough there to stand out as visually interesting, imo.
[QUOTE=Badou;5262188]I mean basic as in bland. It just just an all black jumpsuit where it feels like someone got a blue paint roller and went over his arms or chest. I don't mind it sometimes where it can look sleek like the Jim Lee version. Where it is skin tight and very clean, but that can't be done in other media well. It ends up looking like a weird black racecar jumpsuit with these awkward pieces of armor on it. There just isn't enough there to stand out as visually interesting, imo.[/QUOTE]
I think there's something to be said for a design that's simple yet striking, like I feel the base Nightwing look is. I've never felt like that hasn't come across in media adaptions (animated movies, YJ, DCAU, even Titans), but again that's just my take. I don't think it's a suit that really needs a lot of bells and whistles.
[QUOTE=Badou;5262188]I mean basic as in bland. It just just an all black jumpsuit where it feels like someone got a blue paint roller and went over his arms or chest. I don't mind it sometimes where it can look sleek like the Jim Lee version. Where it is skin tight and very clean, but that can't be done in other media well. It ends up looking like a weird black racecar jumpsuit with these awkward pieces of armor on it. There just isn't enough there to stand out as visually interesting, imo.[/QUOTE]
I think your right. The Nightwing suit to traditional fans of the character for nostalgia purposes is a great thing but for mass audience appeal it seems to not stand out much. Visually the Red Hood comes away more appealing if we are all being honest. I think Nightwing fans need to be open to change. Visually the costume from the future state Titans cover stands out. The mask has the Nightwing cowl imprinted on it. At least it looks that way in the picture. The sidearm is a call back to his time with Spyral.
Red Hood is just a jumpsuit with a jacket. Its the same vein. The black and blue jumsuit was sleak 20 years ago, but after multiple variations of it the look has gotten stale. Especially since the variations just get simpler and simpler. Its funny though, im not sure how its become Nightwing fans enforcing this. Like they have any influence over anything.
BTW im not sure the Future State Titans suit is even a new suit, or just an artist variation on his mullet phase suit.
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It looks more like an eyesore to me, but I'm not wholly against the look.
But most characters tend to not change their base costume look once they settle on a "look."
Yeah I don't see why some are so antsy for a new look. I mean actually I do, because getting new things generates discussion and whatnot, but I really hate when people move away from what works. I really don't see how much more of any improvement you can get over the current design. Trying to change it for the sake of change just results in unnecessary details. Like when Jim Lee put the cuffs on the new Superman suit to make it "his own." No it isn't and you didn't add anything of value. Don't fix what isn't broken.
I think Nightwing has one of the coolest and most modern looking costume in comics, and I wouldn't want to roll the dice for any if the minor adjustments I'd like to see on it. Just look at Jason and Barbara's terrible redesigns. They are not and will not ever be their iconic look, and they will date all of the stories that they appear in when read in the future.
[QUOTE=Pohzee;5262948]Yeah I don't see why some are so antsy for a new look. I mean actually I do, because getting new things generates discussion and whatnot, but I really hate when people move away from what works. I really don't see how much more of any improvement you can get over the current design. Trying to change it for the sake of change just results in unnecessary details. Like when Jim Lee put the cuffs on the new Superman suit to make it "his own." No it isn't and you didn't add anything of value. Don't fix what isn't broken.
I think Nightwing has one of the coolest and most modern looking costume in comics, and I wouldn't want to roll the dice for any if the minor adjustments I'd like to see on it. Just look at Jason and Barbara's terrible redesigns. They are not and will not ever be their iconic look, and they will date all of the stories that they appear in when read in the future.[/QUOTE]
All of this. Well said.
[QUOTE=Pohzee;5262948]Yeah I don't see why some are so antsy for a new look. I mean actually I do, because getting new things generates discussion and whatnot, but I really hate when people move away from what works. I really don't see how much more of any improvement you can get over the current design. Trying to change it for the sake of change just results in unnecessary details. Like when Jim Lee put the cuffs on the new Superman suit to make it "his own." No it isn't and you didn't add anything of value. Don't fix what isn't broken.
I think Nightwing has one of the coolest and most modern looking costume in comics, and I wouldn't want to roll the dice for any if the minor adjustments I'd like to see on it. Just look at Jason and Barbara's terrible redesigns. They are not and will not ever be their iconic look, and they will date all of the stories that they appear in when read in the future.[/QUOTE]
Oh man, I forgot about those cuffs. And so did a lot of artists :p.
[QUOTE=Pohzee;5262948]
I think Nightwing has one of the coolest and most modern looking costume in comics, and I wouldn't want to roll the dice for any if the minor adjustments I'd like to see on it. Just look at Jason and Barbara's terrible redesigns. They are not and will not ever be their iconic look, and they will date all of the stories that they appear in when read in the future.[/QUOTE]
Pretty much this.
Dick's blue-black costume is about as close to classic as he has, and it's an infinitely better design than most; simple, sleek, eye-catching and immediately recognizable as his. There's a reason the basic design hasn't changed in decades, and we've seen that it translates well to live action, animation and video games, which is more than can be said for many heroes.
I do think Dick needs a marketable emblem instead of the chevron (or in addition to it) but generally his classic costume is one of those things where you don't need to reinvent the wheel. A little "artistic interpretation" is all you need; look at that art by Dan Mora a page back; it's not *strictly* the blue-black costume as we've seen it but it's instantly recognizable as Nightwing and that kind of minor tweaking is all you need.
That said, I also have no problem with Dick wearing a different costume once in a while as part of a specific story. Back in Infinite Crisis didn't he briefly wear the blue-yellow suit from the 90's because he needed the glider? Stuff like that, like when Bruce wears an all-white suit when he's in the arctic, that's fine. But the standard costume? Dick's is as close to perfect as you can get, and on the list of things in the Nightwing IP that need work, the costume is at the bottom of the list.
Also, did we get news of who the creators are going to be? That was supposed to be today right? I can't find anything on it though.
[QUOTE=Ascended;5263010]Pretty much this.
Dick's blue-black costume is about as close to classic as he has, and it's an infinitely better design than most; simple, sleek, eye-catching and immediately recognizable as his. There's a reason the basic design hasn't changed in decades, and we've seen that it translates well to live action, animation and video games, which is more than can be said for many heroes.
I do think Dick needs a marketable emblem instead of the chevron (or in addition to it) but generally his classic costume is one of those things where you don't need to reinvent the wheel. A little "artistic interpretation" is all you need; look at that art by Dan Mora a page back; it's not *strictly* the blue-black costume as we've seen it but it's instantly recognizable as Nightwing and that kind of minor tweaking is all you need.
That said, I also have no problem with Dick wearing a different costume once in a while as part of a specific story. Back in Infinite Crisis didn't he briefly wear the blue-yellow suit from the 90's because he needed the glider? Stuff like that, like when Bruce wears an all-white suit when he's in the arctic, that's fine. But the standard costume? Dick's is as close to perfect as you can get, and on the list of things in the Nightwing IP that need work, the costume is at the bottom of the list.
Also, did we get news of who the creators are going to be? That was supposed to be today right? I can't find anything on it though.[/QUOTE]
Not as yet. Just Detective, Harley & Batman/Superman so far.
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Also, did we get news of who the creators are going to be? That was supposed to be today right? I can't find anything on it though.[/QUOTE]
Future State Batman panel is already over, they only announced Harley and TEC. So we'll have to wait for the solicits this week.
I assume we'll keep the Future State creative team, although I'm not sure if Nicola Scott will stick around.
[QUOTE=Frontier;5263111]I assume we'll keep the Future State creative team, although I'm not sure if Nicola Scott will stick around.[/QUOTE]
Yeah I doubt so as well, however it would be one gorgeous book if she did!
I'm still hoping for Williamson on Nightwing personally..
[QUOTE=DragonPiece;5263132]I'm still hoping for Williamson on Nightwing personally..[/QUOTE]
I expect he’ll be on JL
[QUOTE]I assume we'll keep the Future State creative team, although I'm not sure if Nicola Scott will stick around.[/QUOTE]
You never know. New people in charge, new goals. We shouldn't expect this new DC administration to be like the previous one. The entire structure of the company and their production process has reportedly changed and most of the old guard management seem to be gone.
I mean, maybe Dick keeps getting abused and ignored and treated like a sidekick. Maybe we get something better. Maybe *a lot* better. We'll find out when we find out, and while I'm not really expecting miracles here I'm trying to maintain some optimism.
As far as Nicola specifically goes, one of Nightwing's big things is his sex appeal, and everyone knows Nicola draws some damn pretty people. Might not be bad business, making sure Dick's book shows off his assets properly.
I'd love Scott on Nightwing, but that might also mean an even longer break between now and the next Black Magick arc, so I'm torn:(
[QUOTE=Pohzee;5262948]Yeah I don't see why some are so antsy for a new look. I mean actually I do, because getting new things generates discussion and whatnot, but I really hate when people move away from what works. I really don't see how much more of any improvement you can get over the current design. Trying to change it for the sake of change just results in unnecessary details. Like when Jim Lee put the cuffs on the new Superman suit to make it "his own." No it isn't and you didn't add anything of value. Don't fix what isn't broken.
I think Nightwing has one of the coolest and most modern looking costume in comics, and I wouldn't want to roll the dice for any if the minor adjustments I'd like to see on it. Just look at Jason and Barbara's terrible redesigns. They are not and will not ever be their iconic look, and they will date all of the stories that they appear in when read in the future.[/QUOTE]
I don't think the current design generates much value for the character. It's very plain and doesn't stand out, has no memorable or recognizable elements to use for marketing purposes, and as I've said before it translates very poorly to live action and other media. I think the costume on the live action Titans show looks kind of awful, and all the animated costumes where they just slap a blue bird logo on it or armor plates doesn't look great either.
To me over the last several years it has become incredibly important to have a very strong design that can stand out that can add extra value beyond just being on the comic page, and that is what can lead to greater opportunities for characters too. We are seeing that a lot now with the new characters publishers are creating, imo. Fans are allowed to think it is a great costume of course, as it is all opinion based, but I just don't really look at it and think it is anything special and don't know if it is something that would really attract interest from new fans or readers.