Yeah its funny how people forget why shawn was created in the first place. Dick needed something to connect him to bludhaven.
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Yeah its funny how people forget why shawn was created in the first place. Dick needed something to connect him to bludhaven.
[QUOTE=SiegePerilous02;4806972]Shawn could have easily lived in Gotham and there'd hardly be any difference. Probably the only decent thing to come out of new Bludhaven, along with She Bullock (forgot her name, but her and Harvey on the force together would be gold).[/QUOTE]
Svoboda and Bullock on the force together is an inspired idea.
In hindsight the mysterious Batwoman was only ever going to be Dick's daughter.
I want to know more about Dick's life in Beyond and his road to Mayor and Divorce. That's unlikely I know but I'm still curious
The issues with Dick have been good either way I hope we keep getting more of him in that world.
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No, have to ask a mod.
[QUOTE=Fergus;4812798]Svoboda and Bullock on the force together is an inspired idea.[/QUOTE]
I agree, and I'd go further to say I don't think Bludhaven needs to be a separate city from Gotham. Even after almost 30 years of its existence, I still feel like it works better if it's a borough rather than a sister city.
Bludhaven should be like Hell's Kitchen... part of Gotham that becomes Nightwing's "exclusive" territory.
Bludhaven is already like Hell Kitchen. Too much so, it’s one of it’s biggest pitfalls.
[QUOTE=gregpersons;4813865]I agree, and I'd go further to say I don't think Bludhaven needs to be a separate city from Gotham. Even after almost 30 years of its existence, I still feel like it works better if it's a borough rather than a sister city.
Bludhaven should be like Hell's Kitchen... part of Gotham that becomes Nightwing's "exclusive" territory.[/QUOTE]
I think the last thing Dick needs is to be tied even tighter to Bruce and Gotham. DC already treats him like a sidekick, and one with less autonomy than even Damian. Making Bludhaven a neighborhood in Gotham.....you might as well just say Dick never stopped being Bruce's junior partner.
[QUOTE=Ascended;4814985]I think the last thing Dick needs is to be tied even tighter to Bruce and Gotham. DC already treats him like a sidekick, and one with less autonomy than even Damian. Making Bludhaven a neighborhood in Gotham.....you might as well just say Dick never stopped being Bruce's junior partner.[/QUOTE]
Yeah I really don't get it, do people really what nightwing to be up under batman and batfamily that much. He's just a sidekick in a sea of sidekicks now, wanting dick that close and under batman, batfamily and Gotham kill his potential and I wouldn't blame DC for not giving a crap about him.
Seriously what's the point of him growing up and becoming nightwing in the first place if he's just going to continue to be batman's sidekick.
[QUOTE=Ascended;4814985]I think the last thing Dick needs is to be tied even tighter to Bruce and Gotham. DC already treats him like a sidekick, and one with less autonomy than even Damian. Making Bludhaven a neighborhood in Gotham.....you might as well just say Dick never stopped being Bruce's junior partner.[/QUOTE]
No, it just depends on how it's executed. Catwoman had control of the East End in the Brubaker era, and she wasn't Batman's junior partner... she was as independent as Nightwing's ever been, yet she was still in Gotham.
Bludhaven hasn't established itself as anything more than Gotham Jr, and worse, the name is stupid... so why not just incorporate it into Gotham? It makes no difference where he's at, really, because when the Batbooks need him, they'll get him.
Just treat Gotham like NYC is for Marvel... big enough for all sorts of different independent heroes who have links to each other but, like, Daredevil isn't Spider-Man's junior partner.
[QUOTE=gregpersons;4815286]No, it just depends on how it's executed. Catwoman had control of the East End in the Brubaker era, and she wasn't Batman's junior partner... she was as independent as Nightwing's ever been, yet she was still in Gotham.
Bludhaven hasn't established itself as anything more than Gotham Jr, and worse, the name is stupid... so why not just incorporate it into Gotham? It makes no difference where he's at, really, because when the Batbooks need him, they'll get him.
Just treat Gotham like NYC is for Marvel... big enough for all sorts of different independent heroes who have links to each other but, like, Daredevil isn't Spider-Man's junior partner.[/QUOTE]you can't compare nightwing to catwoman. Catwoman is a female love interest for batman and everything about her is about the batman mythos. Nobody at DC ever says catwoman is redundant with batman or Robin but nightwing?
Yes bludhaven makes nightwing into batman jr.
You can't turn gotham into nyc, Gotham is built from the ground up for batman, It's his kingdom. Don't believe me just go to wonder woman's and green arrows thread and say you'd want them In Gotham and see what they say.
Seriously what is the point of dick becoming nightwing if he's just going to be under batman? What's the difference between being robin or nightwing anymore. They mine so well pull a babs and make dick robin again at this point.
Anything new going on? Haven't payed attention to comics for a few months now.
[QUOTE=byrd156;4816899]Anything new going on? Haven't payed attention to comics for a few months now.[/QUOTE]
Crimes of passion tommorow
[QUOTE=gregpersons;4815286]No, it just depends on how it's executed. Catwoman had control of the East End in the Brubaker era, and she wasn't Batman's junior partner... she was as independent as Nightwing's ever been, yet she was still in Gotham.[/QUOTE]
Selina was never a sidekick. You're right, it does depend on execution and Dick working in Gotham *could* work.
But if he's supposed to be an independent hero and not a sidekick, he can't operate as a sidekick. The Robins also operate out of Gotham "independently" and Dick doing the same is just him sidekicking.
[QUOTE]Bludhaven hasn't established itself as anything more than Gotham Jr, and worse, the name is stupid...[/QUOTE]
All depends on the execution doesn't it? :p
And who said Dick's only options are Gotham or Bludhaven?
[QUOTE]Just treat Gotham like NYC is for Marvel... big enough for all sorts of different independent heroes who have links to each other but, like, Daredevil isn't Spider-Man's junior partner.[/QUOTE]
But Gotham is Batman's town. Marvel NYC was made for cohabitation.
I'm so disappointed, the Crimes of Passion book didn't give me any Nightwing x Catwoman! :p
[QUOTE=KangMiRae;4818423]I'm so disappointed, the Crimes of Passion book didn't give me any Nightwing x Catwoman! :p[/QUOTE]
smh. What a tease. They never give us the really juicy crack storyline's that are guaranteed to piss tons of fans off but are obviously worth it. We get Ric. Boring story that pissed us off and just keeps going and going and going.
Crimes of Passion did have a Dick Babs story. Was set in the past, probably just before Dick was shot.
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Saw this storyline on Reddit anout Ric's wasted potential and how it could have been properly realised. Clearly a lot of work went into this but just wanted to run it by Dick fans on Cbr
I’ll admit likes a lot of other people when dc first rolled out this nightwing amnesia arc I wasn’t really into either, but when nightwing annual 2 (I’m pretty sure it was annual 2) where it’s revealed the court of owls were messing with his recovery to force him away from Batman to become a owl I fell in love with the idea. Especially post city of bane I felt Batman is in a very vulnerable place and would be desperate to get one of his most trusted friends and ally’s back. I had this whole senecio in my head that after Alfred’s death Batman is desperate to find nightwing so they can both mourn the loss of the man that practically raised then both, that he had stopped going on patrol and spends all day on the bat computer searching the world for nightwing who can’t be found bc he’s become a talon for the courts. They coulda had nightwing attempt to assassinate some other dc character. I was thinking they could do Garth( Aqualad) being the Atlantis diplomat to the surface world and talon ric attacks him taking out his guards and injuring Garth, that would lead Aquaman to being a video of the attack to Batman because of his experiences with the court of owls in the past. And after studying the video for hours Batman finally figured out nightwing is the talon and is brainwashed by the court. The comic coulda had some epic last page too of Selina coming down to the cave to check on Bruce only to find the cave in a mess with the chair through the giant monitor screen( think BTAS bat computer) and when she calls out Bruce’s name he’ll step out of the shadows in some badass bat suit we haven’t seen before decked out to fight through an army of the reanimated corpses of the talons to bring nightwing back. But instead we got the rush job we did that did the whole arc in a handful of issues #MakeDickAndTimGreatAgain
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That Crimes of Passion story was honestly whack. Like it just screams "I was written by someone who doesn't actually speak to or know of any PoC." Besides that whole aspect, it was a little rushed and undercooked, but it was still nice seeing Dick as Dick.
Well, now DC can hit a minor reset button on Dick.
Personally, I hope Spyral is involved in the new series...Helena and Midnighter, too.
And a separate new Dick and Wally series.
I'm curious with Dick generally should he be drawn buffy or lean yet tone?
Start with different creators.
[QUOTE=Grayson - The Dark Heir;4819271]That Crimes of Passion story was honestly whack. Like it just screams "I was written by someone who doesn't actually speak to or know of any PoC." Besides that whole aspect, it was a little rushed and undercooked, but it was still nice seeing Dick as Dick.[/QUOTE]
Can you expand on this? I haven't bought comics since the Ric debacle and I admit I was tempted by this. Less so since the Catwoman thing was clickbait
[QUOTE=Fergus;4819118]Saw this storyline on Reddit anout Ric's wasted potential and how it could have been properly realised. Clearly a lot of work went into this but just wanted to run it by Dick fans on Cbr
I’ll admit likes a lot of other people when dc first rolled out this nightwing amnesia arc I wasn’t really into either, but when nightwing annual 2 (I’m pretty sure it was annual 2) where it’s revealed the court of owls were messing with his recovery to force him away from Batman to become a owl I fell in love with the idea. Especially post city of bane I felt Batman is in a very vulnerable place and would be desperate to get one of his most trusted friends and ally’s back. I had this whole senecio in my head that after Alfred’s death Batman is desperate to find nightwing so they can both mourn the loss of the man that practically raised then both, that he had stopped going on patrol and spends all day on the bat computer searching the world for nightwing who can’t be found bc he’s become a talon for the courts. They coulda had nightwing attempt to assassinate some other dc character. I was thinking they could do Garth( Aqualad) being the Atlantis diplomat to the surface world and talon ric attacks him taking out his guards and injuring Garth, that would lead Aquaman to being a video of the attack to Batman because of his experiences with the court of owls in the past. And after studying the video for hours Batman finally figured out nightwing is the talon and is brainwashed by the court. The comic coulda had some epic last page too of Selina coming down to the cave to check on Bruce only to find the cave in a mess with the chair through the giant monitor screen( think BTAS bat computer) and when she calls out Bruce’s name he’ll step out of the shadows in some badass bat suit we haven’t seen before decked out to fight through an army of the reanimated corpses of the talons to bring nightwing back. But instead we got the rush job we did that did the whole arc in a handful of issues #MakeDickAndTimGreatAgain
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Unbelievably dumb!
And to think that all the Ric arc needed to make it a hit was Batman looking Epic in a new Badass suit. Smh
This actually got up votes!
They have teased the idea of Dick as a Talon with every series sine the New 52. It’s kind of become the current Bat offices lazy go to, and it falls to the creators to try and put a spin on it. Seeley thankfully brought Raptor to it, which was cool. Jurgans on the other hand just had the most generic take on Talon and the Court. I’m not sure if he even did any research, Talon especially was bad he was a such a by the numbers mustache twirling villain. Like something out of a bad cartoon. He barely even resembled any Talon we seen before except for maybe the bad animated film they did.
That’s being said, they could have ended the current series and relaunched a new Talon series with Dick. It probably would have been better then mindlessly spinning their wheels or retelling the same story beat over and over.
Btw I wonder if it won’t be Tynion’s Batman that fixes Ric but the Gen zero event.
Yeah the dick Babs wasn't great, but lets not pretend that an author who gets like 10pgs to tell a story is going to give it his best go. It was alright. And quite frankly, I was incredibly happy just to be reading Nightwing. And he the art looked great. Dick's suit is pretty killer.
Do you think Dick will ever get respect from DC? What arcs do you wish will be retconned?
[QUOTE=dropkickjake;4820630]Yeah the dick Babs wasn't great, but lets not pretend that an author who gets like 10pgs to tell a story is going to give it his best go. It was alright. And quite frankly, I was incredibly happy just to be reading Nightwing. And he the art looked great. Dick's suit is pretty killer.[/QUOTE]
I wanted more to the story see them take down the gang I missed them doing stuff like that
[QUOTE=Godlike13;4820384]Btw I wonder if it won’t be Tynion’s Batman that fixes Ric but the Gen zero event.[/QUOTE]The fixing is already underway. He got his real memories back last issue, but can't tell them apart from the false implanted memories, which is why he didn't go back to his old self. He's about to encounter Joker, which would likely make him realise the truth. And the annual out in April appears to have him back to normal.
May's solicitations are going to be VERY interesting.
[QUOTE=AmiMizuno;4820737]Do you think Dick will ever get respect from DC? What arcs do you wish will be retconned?[/QUOTE]
I have little doubt Dick will get the respect he's due from DC.
Eventually.
He does very well in larger media and does quite respectably in print, even if he's not a Top 10 title. He's been around longer than 99% of comic characters and has never really been out of print for any length of time. He's got one of the most loyal followings in comics and is easily adapted into other formats.
The current management might not see any appeal here, or anything worth investing in. Once they're gone? Wiser heads may see what's gone wrong here.
[QUOTE=Digifiend;4821109]The fixing is already underway. He got his real memories back last issue, but can't tell them apart from the false implanted memories, which is why he didn't go back to his old self. He's about to encounter Joker, which would likely make him realise the truth. And the annual out in April appears to have him back to normal.
May's solicitations are going to be VERY interesting.[/QUOTE]
I don’t need a recap, the real memories accomplished nothing and this is still just the same technique they have been abusing to drag things out from the start. Eye dropping teases and Dick bait in an attempt to keep whatever readers they have left on the hook for however long they can. The question is will they continue to lazily drag it out till the Batman’s summer event or leave it to the gen zero event to fix things for them.
You do realise that there's absolutely nothing between the known solicitations and Free Comic Book Day? FCBD is on May 2nd this year i.e. before the month's first Wednesday. If Generation Zero is the final solution, then it'll be before the next unsolicited issue of Nightwing.
The Free Comic is just a preview to what’s coming. As they usually are. They are obviously still dragging Ric out for a reason. We have assumed it’s Batman’s summer event, but could it be they are waiting for the “seismic-level changes in the DC Universe”.
[QUOTE=Rac7d*;4821063]I wanted more to the story see them take down the gang I missed them doing stuff like that[/QUOTE]
Oh I wanted more story, too. Only so much you can do with 8 pages.
Does Dick need his own editor at this point? At this point what stories do you want to see once Dick gets back?
[QUOTE=AmiMizuno;4822159]Does Dick need his own editor at this point? At this point what stories do you want to see once Dick gets back?[/QUOTE]
This will sound silly, but I kind of want Cyborg and Starfire to pick him and the rest of the titans up in their souped up Brainiac ship and go on space adventures. Maybe Raven, Beast Boy, Donna, Wally, Tempest/Garth, and maybe some of the newer members of Titans or Odyssey like Natasha Irons, Miss Martian, Kyle Rayner or Jessica Cruz can tag along as well. I mean he has already been a secret agent so why not Sci-fi adventurer Dick Grayson if they are not gonna really do anything on earth. Besides maybe there is something fun they can do since his name stems from Superman telling him of the Nightwing of Krypton.
[QUOTE=sifighter;4822204]This will sound silly, but I kind of want Cyborg and Starfire to pick him and the rest of the titans up in their souped up Brainiac ship and go on space adventures. Maybe Raven, Beast Boy, Donna, Wally, Tempest/Garth, and maybe some of the newer members of Titans or Odyssey like Natasha Irons, Miss Martian, Kyle Rayner or Jessica Cruz can tag along as well. I mean he has already been a secret agent so why not Sci-fi adventurer Dick Grayson if they are not gonna really do anything on earth. Besides maybe there is something fun they can do since his name stems from Superman telling him of the Nightwing of Krypton.[/QUOTE]
Have him pose as Nightwing of legend on Daxom. With Starfire and the others making it look like he has super powers.
[QUOTE=sifighter;4822204]This will sound silly, but I kind of want Cyborg and Starfire to pick him and the rest of the titans up in their souped up Brainiac ship and go on space adventures. Maybe Raven, Beast Boy, Donna, Wally, Tempest/Garth, and maybe some of the newer members of Titans or Odyssey like Natasha Irons, Miss Martian, Kyle Rayner or Jessica Cruz can tag along as well. I mean he has already been a secret agent so why not Sci-fi adventurer Dick Grayson if they are not gonna really do anything on earth. Besides maybe there is something fun they can do since his name stems from Superman telling him of the Nightwing of Krypton.[/QUOTE]
Heh. Considering Odyssey's sales track, they can use his help.
Not with Abnett attached. Please, never again.
I didn't say anything about Abnett I just thought it'd be fun to have Space Dick Grayson and the Titans. If I had to put someone on it...my mind goes to Sam Humphries. Loved his work on Green Lanterns and Dial H.