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[QUOTE=Rac7d*;4966382]the only way for that happen would be to not be grayson/nightwing
he would have to not be
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Guess Dick is back by the 75th issue milestone.
[QUOTE=Restingvoice;4967131]Now that you mention it you're right. Tim is the everyman, not Dick.
The reason he stayed in Bludhaven, in that area, was because he has a mission, very different than Peter Parker.
...and knowing that his stay in Bludhaven began as a mission, this puts Dixon's Bludhaven in another new light for me, that it's basically the same as Grayson, but far longer.[/QUOTE]
Yup, exactly. Now consider the fact that Dick had a mission to save Bludhaven....and actually did it. Until Slade dropped a sludge monster on it anyway. Dick did something damn few other heroes have; successfully saved his city. Granted, the Chemo incident sorta cancels that out, but Dick accomplished something that Bruce, Clark, Wally, Barry.....none of those guys have done. It should be seen as one of Dick's greatest accomplishments....unfortunately the only thing people remember is Chemo.
[QUOTE=Frontier;4967163]Guess Dick is back by the 75th issue milestone.[/QUOTE]
I'll believe it when I see it. DC has led us to believe Dick was returning to proper form before and lied to us, so they get nothing from me until I have concrete proof that this nightmare called Ric is truly over.
[QUOTE=Ascended;4967294]Yup, exactly. Now consider the fact that Dick had a mission to save Bludhaven....and actually did it. Until Slade dropped a sludge monster on it anyway. Dick did something damn few other heroes have; successfully saved his city. Granted, the Chemo incident sorta cancels that out, but Dick accomplished something that Bruce, Clark, Wally, Barry.....none of those guys have done. It should be seen as one of Dick's greatest accomplishments....unfortunately the only thing people remember is Chemo.
Bart saved his city he died, but he saved the whole west coast.
Ric won’t truly be over till the likes of Jurgans is gone. Even if they call him Dick again. As long as they keep the same mediocre and lazy creative team on nothing is going to really change.
My issue is why can't Bludhaven actually be safe. It does have dangerous crimes but it's not on the same level as Gotham. He doesn't have to worry about his city in flames. That since Clark and Bruce raised him maybe the city should be that. The city is more light than dark
[QUOTE=Ascended;4967294]Yup, exactly. Now consider the fact that Dick had a mission to save Bludhaven....and actually did it. Until Slade dropped a sludge monster on it anyway. Dick did something damn a few other heroes have; successfully saved his city. Granted, the Chemo incident sorta cancels that out, but Dick accomplished something that Bruce, Clark, Wally, Barry.....none of those guys have done. It should be seen as one of Dick's greatest accomplishments....unfortunately the only thing people remember is Chemo.
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Neverending stories. Gotta destroy it to maintain the status quo.
[QUOTE=AmiMizuno;4967381]My issue is why can't Bludhaven actually be safe. It does have dangerous crimes but it's not on the same level as Gotham. He doesn't have to worry about his city in flames. That since Clark and Bruce raised him maybe the city should be that. The city is more light than dark[/QUOTE]
Well, technically, it started out more dangerous than Gotham since there's no Batman until Nightwing came along... The Rebirth version seems safer, at least on the surface, because there's no organized crime until Blockbuster returns...
But I get what you mean... the thing is... safe city doesn't create conflict, and a superhero needs conflict to operate
So if Bludhaven is safe, then Dick will move to somewhere else, another city that needs him. He will still call Bludhaven home since he's made friends there, but he won't stay there anymore if it's safe.
Just finished the first mini by Dennis ONeil.. onto the Chuck Dixon material now. Good stuff.
[QUOTE=Restingvoice;4967529]Neverending stories. Gotta destroy it to maintain the status quo.
Well, technically, it started out more dangerous than Gotham since there's no Batman until Nightwing came along... The Rebirth version seems safer, at least on the surface, because there's no organized crime until Blockbuster returns...
But I get what you mean... the thing is... safe city doesn't create conflict, and a superhero needs conflict to operate
So if Bludhaven is safe, then Dick will move to somewhere else, another city that needs him. He will still call Bludhaven home since he's made friends there, but he won't stay there anymore if it's safe.[/QUOTE]
You said there was no organized crime? What if there was but they never do it in the city. They want to have the look that Bludhaven is untouched by Gotham's trouble. That they don't need a superhero.
Interesting. One idea I did have is this. Bludhaven does have organized crim but never do they c
[QUOTE=redmax99;4967309]Bart saved his city he died, but he saved the whole west coast.[/QUOTE]
Bart....Allen? Impulse? When did he live on the west coast? Was this when he was the Flash? I dropped that book pretty quick....
[QUOTE=Godlike13;4967375]Ric won’t truly be over till the likes of Jurgans is gone. Even if they call him Dick again. As long as they keep the same mediocre and lazy creative team on nothing is going to really change.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, but one step at a time.
[QUOTE=Restingvoice;4967529]Neverending stories. Gotta destroy it to maintain the status quo.[/QUOTE]
Well, yeah, but in-universe it should have been a bigger deal. Of course the story requires more problems and troubles to keep things going, so if Chemo hadn't happened then the Royal Flush Gang would've moved in, or something else would've happened. But it's a rare sight to see a hero actually complete his/her mission and drive the hardened criminal element out of a city. Dick should have gotten recognition for that.
[QUOTE=Ascended;4967604]Bart....Allen? Impulse? When did he live on the west coast? Was this when he was the Flash? I dropped that book pretty quick....
yeah it at the ending of his book inertia and the rogues killed him. Iris came back from the future to get Bart to ask anyone for help to save his life, but he chose to accept his fate and die saving San Francisco. It was all part of the Jla, Jsa crossover lighting saga and countdown to final crisis.
[QUOTE=Ascended;4967604]Yeah, but one step at a time.[/QUOTE]
One step at a time is just another way to insure the character continues to lose value. They already dragged this out too long as is. If they are going to leave Jurgen’s on so he can continue to drive general interest away with lazy factory recap and boring ideas like Condor Red, they should leave him as Ric. Calling him Dick again while leaving the same lazy complacent creators general readers have little interest in anymore, is just going to be further detrimental.
These old dudes want to hide behind behind Ric and fans not willing to accept the idea, but at the end of the day the real problem is that these complement boring creators failed to convince people on the idea with their dated style and their low effort, no care, tone deaf execution. Step one the people currently on the book need to go otherwise there is no point to even bringing Dick back.
[QUOTE=Restingvoice;4967136]That's not a Tie-in that's a whole arc! We can even count the current 2 issues with Punchline to make up a whole trade... unless it's already included, I forget which issue we're on and I don't care... [/QUOTE]Already included. #70 was the most recent issue (on 18 March) and the first issue of Joker War overall.
[QUOTE=Frontier;4967163]Guess Dick is back by the 75th issue milestone.[/QUOTE]He is. The TPB is called The Return of Dick Grayson.
[QUOTE=AmiMizuno;4967556]You said there was no organized crime? What if there was but they never do it in the city. They want to have the look that Bludhaven is untouched by Gotham's trouble. That they don't need a superhero.
Interesting. One idea I did have is this. Bludhaven does have organized crim but never do they c[/QUOTE]
No, there is organized crime, just smaller. Blockbuster was the kingpin.
Sorry, what was that last one? You're cutting out.
[QUOTE=Restingvoice;4967985]No, there is organized crime, just smaller. Blockbuster was the kingpin.
Sorry, what was that last one? You're cutting out.[/QUOTE]
That Bludhaven is supposed to be this city that doesn't have to worry about crime. That all the organized crime isn't done in the city. It's done elsewhere. This lets Dick being able to look into the underworld but not worry about his city at the same time. That maybe Bludhaven is known for its entertainment industry. So no crime is committed in the city.
Quite possibly Dick Grayson’s biggest claim to fame (World's Finest Comics #9, Spring 1943). Art by Jack Burnley:
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A little change of topic, I'm not the biggest fan of bludhaven but it seems DC what's Bludhaven to be a thing so if dick has to be in bludhaven I'd what it to return back to the way tim seeley left it, A Vegas/Miami entertainment city.
So my question is what dc characters could join and fit bludhaven? Like white rabbit, the royal flush gang and zatanna ect. Who else do you see fitting a vegas Bludhaven?
That depends. I mean Booster Gold maybe since he always wants to be famous. I agree. I think Bludhaven should be a good entertainment business spot. That they have a booming movie industry
Books seem to be ending, wonder if 75 is Nightwing's last. Fingers crossed.
[QUOTE=Godlike13;4971214]Books seem to be ending, wonder if 75 is Nightwing's last. Fingers crossed.[/QUOTE]
Seems like a strong possibility especially since Snyder wants to work with the character.
Is Synder working on Nightwing good or bad?
Good. Nightwing is in such creator hell right now, so anything that might get him out of his current fodder status. Even if its just a limited series. Snyder on Dick, ya ill take that.
[QUOTE=AmiMizuno;4971476]Is Synder working on Nightwing good or bad?[/QUOTE]
I see this as an absolute win.
A Snyder run starting around 2021 would mark 10 years since Black Mirror. Very cool
[QUOTE=Godlike13;4971214]Books seem to be ending, wonder if 75 is Nightwing's last. Fingers crossed.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, a relaunch is much more likely to get new creators, rather than Dick going back to Nightwing and keeping Jurgens on board.
[QUOTE=AmiMizuno;4971476]Is Synder working on Nightwing good or bad?[/QUOTE]
It's a win, no matter what it is. How much of a win will depend on whether it's a mini or the ongoing, whether it's in continuity or not, whether Dick is Nightwing or not, etc. But DC's biggest writer writing Dick is a win for the character.
I've grown cooler and cooler on Snyder's writing over the years and even I'm thinking this is a win across the board. Dick needs all the help he can get.
Nightwing #71 first look
[url]https://www.cbr.com/nightwing-71-first-look-sees-joker-brandish-a-crowbar-once-more/[/url]
[url]https://www.newsarama.com/50236-nightwing-joins-joker-war-in-71.html#s8[/url]
[url]https://butwhythopodcast.com/2020/05/15/preview-the-joker-war-continues-in-nightwing-71-from-dc-comics/[/url]
[QUOTE=Lazurus33;4972631]Nightwing #71 first look
[url]https://www.cbr.com/nightwing-71-first-look-sees-joker-brandish-a-crowbar-once-more/[/url]
[url]https://www.newsarama.com/50236-nightwing-joins-joker-war-in-71.html#s8[/url]
[url]https://butwhythopodcast.com/2020/05/15/preview-the-joker-war-continues-in-nightwing-71-from-dc-comics/[/url][/QUOTE]
Ah. Tusk is back.
His tusks are back too
That variant is terrible.
[QUOTE=Lazurus33;4972631]Nightwing #71 first look
[url]https://www.cbr.com/nightwing-71-first-look-sees-joker-brandish-a-crowbar-once-more/[/url]
[url]https://www.newsarama.com/50236-nightwing-joins-joker-war-in-71.html#s8[/url]
[url]https://butwhythopodcast.com/2020/05/15/preview-the-joker-war-continues-in-nightwing-71-from-dc-comics/[/url][/QUOTE]
Meh. Really meh.
Y'all remember when wearing red was the most of our concerns?
This is a little bit disturbing...
[ATTACH=CONFIG]96759[/ATTACH]
RED HOOD: OUTLAW #48
written by SCOTT LOBDELL
art by BRETT BOOTH and DANNY MIKI
cover by DAN MORA
variant cover by PHILIP TAN
In the aftermath of the war between Batman and The Joker, Jason Todd has a few decisions to make. Does Gotham City—or the world at large—really need the Red Hood? If Jason contemplates retiring the Red Hood mask altogether, what does that mean for Artemis and Bizarro? Can the Outlaws continue to exist without their leader? A family reunion with Ric Grayson doesn’t go as planned as he brought along his new friend: Punchline!
FC | ON SALE 08.25.20
$3.99 US | 32 PAGES
FC | DC
This issue will ship with two covers.
I might give a crap if they literally didn’t just do this an arc ago. Lobdell fought for Ric, so he can enjoy. These bottom tier books from lazy and boring, going no where, out of date creators can’t end soon enough.
[QUOTE=Robanker;4973024]Y'all remember when wearing red was the most of our concerns?[/QUOTE]
wasn't even my concern XD
[QUOTE=blade48;4973050]This is a little bit disturbing...
[ATTACH=CONFIG]96759[/ATTACH]
RED HOOD: OUTLAW #48
written by SCOTT LOBDELL
art by BRETT BOOTH and DANNY MIKI
cover by DAN MORA
variant cover by PHILIP TAN
In the aftermath of the war between Batman and The Joker, Jason Todd has a few decisions to make. Does Gotham City—or the world at large—really need the Red Hood? If Jason contemplates retiring the Red Hood mask altogether, what does that mean for Artemis and Bizarro? Can the Outlaws continue to exist without their leader? A family reunion with Ric Grayson doesn’t go as planned as he brought along his new friend: Punchline!
FC | ON SALE 08.25.20
$3.99 US | 32 PAGES
FC | DC
This issue will ship with two covers.[/QUOTE]
His first Joker-brainwashed costume reminds me of Bucky. This one reminds me of Nick Fury.
It’s the same awfully generic costume. The editors just can’t keep the color scheme consistent.
[QUOTE=Robanker;4973024]Y'all remember when wearing red was the most of our concerns?[/QUOTE]
Wearing red was just one of the common concerns as we were seeing him be downgraded to a rookie creator and an artist who couldn’t even get more then 2 issues done. As they try to cobbled together a series with no actual direction from the the scraps of what was going on in Batman. Sure the rookie creator was an improvement to what we have now, at least he gave a shit, but underneath it all a lot of the problems now are problems we were seeing then. Just exasperated. Low tier creator support, tone deaf character decisions, and a complete dependency on Batman’s scraps to facilitate his book’s direction.
[QUOTE=blade48;4973050]This is a little bit disturbing...
[ATTACH=CONFIG]96759[/ATTACH]
RED HOOD: OUTLAW #48
written by SCOTT LOBDELL
art by BRETT BOOTH and DANNY MIKI
cover by DAN MORA
variant cover by PHILIP TAN
In the aftermath of the war between Batman and The Joker, Jason Todd has a few decisions to make. Does Gotham City—or the world at large—really need the Red Hood? If Jason contemplates retiring the Red Hood mask altogether, what does that mean for Artemis and Bizarro? Can the Outlaws continue to exist without their leader? A family reunion with Ric Grayson doesn’t go as planned as he brought along his new friend: Punchline!
FC | ON SALE 08.25.20
$3.99 US | 32 PAGES
FC | DC
This issue will ship with two covers.[/QUOTE]
I think this is what lobdell wanted to write when he introduced this god awful storyline.
Can we just make Red Hood firmly a non-Batman book here on out that doesn't cross over so Lobdell's writing can just go away and not touch anyone but Jason?
[QUOTE=SiegePerilous02;4973544]Can we just make Red Hood firmly a non-Batman book here on out that doesn't cross over so Lobdell's writing can just go away and not touch anyone but Jason?[/QUOTE]
It be ironic if Red Hood failed itself into the position that some fans here have wanted for Nightwing for ages
[QUOTE=SiegePerilous02;4973544]Can we just make Red Hood firmly a non-Batman book here on out that doesn't cross over so Lobdell's writing can just go away and not touch anyone but Jason?[/QUOTE]
It's just one issue and it's not like he's in character anyway
Also, I heard Lobdell's leaving to write X-Men again
[QUOTE=Restingvoice;4973557]It's just one issue and it's not like he's in character anyway
Also, I heard Lobdell's leaving to write X-Men again[/QUOTE]
Too late, the damage it's already done.
Edit: I'm amazed by his contacts though.