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[QUOTE=bearman;4870957]Does anyone know if DC management actually reads this forum?
We have rabid Dick fans, who have felt unhappy and ignored for several years; we are all united in wanting more for Grayson.
But there doesn’t seem to be much response from the company.[/QUOTE]
Some pro's pop in now and then. Busiek has a whole Q&A thread on the Marvel forums and seems to post fairly regularly.
And I *think* DC does have someone who keeps half an eye on forums and social media. But places like this aren't really a metric for the whole fandom; we're at best one small variable in a much larger equation. I mean, just look at Ric. This forum hated it with the burning passion of a thousand suns before it even began, but sales held mostly steady for what, the first year of Ric? By the same token, we hated the idea of Grayson at first, then ended up loving it. But the sales were high at first, then returned to normal. So what we say here doesn't really carry much weight.
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[QUOTE=WonderNight;4871284]Ok small rent but I was reading the 5g threads and it's sad how so many fans see nightwing as a stepping stone to batman. Even a lot of fan has come to view nightwing as a sidekick.[/QUOTE]
Get me a job in the editor's office and I'll fix this sh*t up quick. :p
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[QUOTE=Ascended;4872098]Some pro's pop in now and then. Busiek has a whole Q&A thread on the Marvel forums and seems to post fairly regularly.
And I *think* DC does have someone who keeps half an eye on forums and social media. But places like this aren't really a metric for the whole fandom; we're at best one small variable in a much larger equation. I mean, just look at Ric. This forum hated it with the burning passion of a thousand suns before it even began, but sales held mostly steady for what, the first year of Ric? By the same token, we hated the idea of Grayson at first, then ended up loving it. But the sales were high at first, then returned to normal. So what we say here doesn't really carry much weight.[/QUOTE]
To put Ric into perspective, sales weren't good to begin with on the title at the time. So that sales remain steady at those lows is indicative to a negative reaction. The goal was to get the book off its floor with the stunt. Not flat line them at those lows. Also remember books are ordered months in advanced, and no one knew what they were doing with Nightwing beyond rumors as leaks as they kept it under wraps for the Batman issue. So we wouldn't see an immediate drop.
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[QUOTE=Digifiend;4871308]And the whole point of the Nightwing identity was to distance Dick from being seen as a sidekick.[/QUOTE]
Unless your in the trinity, everyone is a sidekick to batman tho
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[QUOTE=AmiMizuno;4870690]I have been wondering. What black label story could work for Dick? A what-if or a storyline you would like to see expanded on?
Okay no to the circus it's too outdated? What about simply being a tutor? There are still acrobats around? Or a dancer. I do think the entertainment industry is the choice for Dick. That or PI. I mean a stuntman can work for Dick.[/QUOTE]
Black Label I'm not sure. I mean I could drum up a notion pretty quickly, I think ... you get a Black Label run you can get a little artsy with it. Things to avoid? Stories where parallel stories of his time as Robin have something to do with something that's happening Now! My god! The past comes back to haunt you ... with retcons! Every damn story these days.
But I think a story where he tries to become a nighttime vigilante in Metropolis for a month would make for some good comedy.
As for what I think would be good for Dick's future, Black Label, or otherwise ... presently that's easy as hell.
Black Knight of Checkmate. Checkmate is being overtly put back together carefully in the DCU right now. It's almost assuredly going to feature this new King, they just hired the Toyman, Steve Trevor is there, we've got Lois Lane's involvement, Ollie, Kate Spencer, Jessica Midnight getting back in the game, Renee Montoya. Sasha Bordeaux has been seen recently. Probably get Helena Bertinelli in there. So on and so on and so forth. Dick should 100% be one of the Black Knights and one of the profile characters, the protagonists. Plus setting Dick as one of the Black Knights, opposite Steve Trevor who is so overtly a White Knight, would make for a really cool dynamic as well.
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Agent wing nightwing! Nightwing being checkmates top agent their captain America could be awesome. Hell they are ready had tiger in event leviathan and now dr.netz in leviathan dawn. Get the grayson gang back together.
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[QUOTE=Godlike13;4872201]To put Ric into perspective, sales weren't good to begin with on the title at the time. So that sales remain steady at those lows is indicative to a negative reaction. The goal was to get the book off its floor with the stunt. Not flat line them at those lows. Also remember books are ordered months in advanced, and no one knew what they were doing with Nightwing beyond rumors as leaks as they kept it under wraps for the Batman issue. So we wouldn't see an immediate drop.[/QUOTE]
Ah that's true, I forgot the sales were low before Ric started.
But my point still stands; what we say on the forums isn't always a good metric for the entire community. We're worth paying some attention to; we're the most zealous of the fanbase, to spend our time posting on forums. But we shouldn't be what DC bases decisions on.
[QUOTE=Rac7d*;4872284]Unless your in the trinity, everyone is a sidekick to batman tho[/QUOTE]
Even the rest of the Trinity is Batman's sidekick.
If anything positive comes from the upheaval in DC, I'm hoping its the realization that although Batman is their biggest money maker, it's not the only profitable or viable IP and not everything and everyone has to bow down to the glory of the Batgod. Perhaps, if they put half as much effort into other characters as they do Batman, he wouldn't be their only reliable, top-end franchise. I don't worry about DC when a publisher gets fired or a company buys WB, but I do worry about what'll happen to them when Batman stops being popular.
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[QUOTE=Ascended;4872739]If anything positive comes from the upheaval in DC, I'm hoping its the realization that although Batman is their biggest money maker, it's not the only profitable or viable IP and not everything and everyone has to bow down to the glory of the Batgod. Perhaps, if they put half as much effort into other characters as they do Batman, he wouldn't be their only reliable, top-end franchise. I don't worry about DC when a publisher gets fired or a company buys WB, but I do worry about what'll happen to them when Batman stops being popular.[/QUOTE]
Agreed. [B]Green Lantern[/B] is proof of that. ;)
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So I learned recently that DC, WB, and AT&T hired a woman named Lifford to oversee all things DC, with an eye towards cross-format synergy and using the comics as source material for adaptations.
What do we think this does for Dick's odds going forward?
There's not a ton from the comics worthy of larger media adaptation. Dick's had good stories but very few that're self contained enough to be easily translated. But he's popular in larger media, and the DCU app apparently uses him as their poster boy (from what subscribers have said here). Tons of appearances in games and cartoons.
Could this benefit Dick in the comics? If Lifford is looking at synergy and using the comics for media adaptations, what're the odds that Dick gets some attention in the comics to provide adaptable material for the larger media stuff, where he's already popular?
I've said in the past that all Dick needs is for someone at WB or AT&T to notice him and wonder why the comics suffer so badly when he's successful everywhere else. Could we be getting that now? Not that anything would happen immediately, but does anyone think we might be able to see the light at the end of the tunnel soon? Or am I just being foolishly hopeful?
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It will depend on if the outside media influences the comics also. If it's just the comics with the influence than oh God. But if they can take the best things about nightwing from outside media and bring them in to the comics and build on it then nightwing can have a bright future.
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We should avoid DC next animated movie.
JusticeLeagueDark: Apokalips War spoilers below
[url]https://imgur.com/mqK7mq5[/url]
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[QUOTE=Drako;4876457]We should avoid DC next animated movie.
JusticeLeagueDark: Apokalips War spoilers below
[url]https://imgur.com/mqK7mq5[/url][/QUOTE]
Well, here's hoping that whatever comes next, it does a far better job. Some of the animated films have been interesting, even good. Others, I just passed over.
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That's my question too. Jim Lee recently admitted that the comics are nothing more than an IP farm for larger media. And that's fine, honestly, that's good for us. That might even encourage the comics to improve their game, if they think there's a better chance of getting adapted.
But does the synergy flow both ways? Because if the larger media stuff Dick already has (like Young Justice and DCU Titans) starts to influence and improve his comics, which then get adapted into larger media, which then influence and improve the comics......that's a cycle I'd be happy to find ourselves in.
I mean, we're still talking about WB and DC. Mostly it's all the same people in charge (except Didio) who have marginalized Dick in print. So my hopes are not high. But....maybe....we have reason for a tiny, tiny bit of hope.
I'd feel a hell of a lot more hopeful if Harras had gotten kicked to the curb too. But still, maybe the end of these dark days isn't too far off......
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[QUOTE=Drako;4876457]We should avoid DC next animated movie.
JusticeLeagueDark: Apokalips War spoilers below
[url]https://imgur.com/mqK7mq5[/url][/QUOTE]
Dick getting killed or maimed in some story? I'm shocked. SHOCKED.
Well not that shocked, lol.
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[QUOTE=Badou;4876545]Dick getting killed or maimed in some story? I'm shocked. SHOCKED.
Well not that shocked, lol.[/QUOTE]
Tbf, the first act looks to be a bloodbath for better or worse. Expect a lot of gratuitous blood and gore to justify that R rating :p. Only survivors of the initial assault on Apokolips looks to be Clark, Damian, Lex, Constantine and Raven. But yeah, I don’t think Nightwing is being singled out, for what it’s worth.
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I don't watch the movies, but it's JLD and New Gods. I'm imagining there might be some magic and/or mind f**kery involved too. That might actually be a hallucination, Evil Factory clone, illusion, who the hell knows.
Or, much more likely, it's a blood bath early on to show how dire things are and a whole ton of people, including Dick, are going to die.
Is that Superman with the beard and weird veins and green eyes? What the hell happened to him?
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Going by the trailer it looks like Constantine finds out about Flashpoint, Which is kinda cool, ending the dcamu saga where it began. So I’m guessing they’ll use time travel to bring everyone back. Seems like the kind of story maybe should have been a 2 parter.
I’d be sad if this version of Dick is gone for good though. He was pretty solid, even if stuff like his stint as Batman and dynamic with Damian didn’t quite live up to the source material.
[QUOTE=Ascended;4876947]I don't watch the movies, but it's JLD and New Gods. I'm imagining there might be some magic and/or mind f**kery involved too. That might actually be a hallucination, Evil Factory clone, illusion, who the hell knows.
Or, much more likely, it's a blood bath early on to show how dire things are and a whole ton of people, including Dick, are going to die.
Is that Superman with the beard and weird veins and green eyes? What the hell happened to him?[/QUOTE]
I’m also wondering what happened to him. Kryptonite or something? Looks like he’ll be wearing Luthor’s armor.
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[QUOTE=OpaqueGiraffe17;4876960]Going by the trailer it looks like Constantine finds out about Flashpoint, Which is kinda cool, ending the dcamu saga where it began. So I’m guessing they’ll use time travel to bring everyone back. Seems like the kind of story maybe should have been a 2 parter.
I’d be sad if this version of Dick is gone for good though. He was pretty solid.
I’m also wondering what happened to him. Kryptonite or something? Looks like he’ll be wearing Luthor’s armor.[/QUOTE]
I'm thinking something along the lines of what happened to New52 Supes leading into Rebirth. But that's just speculation on my part.
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[QUOTE=Drako;4876457]We should avoid DC next animated movie.
JusticeLeagueDark: Apokalips War spoilers below
[url]https://imgur.com/mqK7mq5[/url][/QUOTE]
At least Damian seems to care...
[QUOTE=Ascended;4876947]I don't watch the movies, but it's JLD and New Gods. I'm imagining there might be some magic and/or mind f**kery involved too. That might actually be a hallucination, Evil Factory clone, illusion, who the hell knows.
Or, much more likely, it's a blood bath early on to show how dire things are and a whole ton of people, including Dick, are going to die.
Is that Superman with the beard and weird veins and green eyes? What the hell happened to him?[/QUOTE]
[spoil]Darkseid brands him with Kryptonite, so he doesn't have his powers.[/spoil]
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[QUOTE=Badou;4876545]Dick getting killed or maimed in some story? I'm shocked. SHOCKED.
Well not that shocked, lol.[/QUOTE]
To be fair most everyone is dying the first act
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Question is the robin 80th anniversary issue coming out with a new Grayson story this Wednesday? Because hell yes I miss that book so much.
I'm sorry but but dc needs to make nightwing into a globetrotting action adventure hero. Make the entire DCU his city.
Nightwing in a city (any city) just feels limited to me. Nightwing feels like he should be so much bigger to me, like nightwing in a isolated city feels like DC give him one thousand dollars for vacation but nightwing the globetrotting hero feels like nightwing with a billion dollars for vacation. The sky's the limit.
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No. It's out next week.
[url]https://www.newsarama.com/48839-robin-80th-anniversary-100-page-super-spectacular-postponed-a-week.html[/url]
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Is he going back to Dick Grayson yet?
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They are still milking it.
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[QUOTE=Drako;4876457]We should avoid DC next animated movie.
JusticeLeagueDark: Apokalips War spoilers below
[url]https://imgur.com/mqK7mq5[/url][/QUOTE]
His voice actor wasn't listed in the initial IMDB cast. I don't mind him being killed when he's not advertised as part of the main cast.
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[QUOTE=agentofthebat;4878891]Is he going back to Dick Grayson yet?[/QUOTE]
as of May 2020 solicits he is still Ric Grayson but in the process of reestablishing his identity as Dick, if it even happens
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[QUOTE=Drako;4876457]We should avoid DC next animated movie.
JusticeLeagueDark: Apokalips War spoilers below
[url]https://imgur.com/mqK7mq5[/url][/QUOTE]
Avoid this movie because Dick Grayson dies? Doesn't everyone in it die anyway?
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[QUOTE=Elmo;4879630]Avoid this movie because Dick Grayson dies? Doesn't everyone in it die anyway?[/QUOTE]
i don't know, it's not out yet.
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[QUOTE=WonderNight;4878344]Question is the robin 80th anniversary issue coming out with a new Grayson story this Wednesday? Because hell yes I miss that book so much.
I'm sorry but but dc needs to make nightwing into a globetrotting action adventure hero. Make the entire DCU his city.
Nightwing in a city (any city) just feels limited to me. Nightwing feels like he should be so much bigger to me, like nightwing in a isolated city feels like DC give him one thousand dollars for vacation but nightwing the globetrotting hero feels like nightwing with a billion dollars for vacation. The sky's the limit.[/QUOTE]
Which technically makes sense for him to have a job to do so. This is why you kind of need to explain where does he get his money? He can be a private I or Haley’s circus
They tried that with him being a spy. And not matter how good a idea is the writing is the most important. Even if he works best traveling around it won’t work if there is no try.
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[QUOTE=Godlike13;4878907]They are still milking it.[/QUOTE]
Yes if "milking it" means dragging out a universally hated storyline ad nauseum while readership erodes month after month.
(I dropped it from my pull list 9 months ago and swore I wouldn't pay for another issue until they restored my favorite character to something recognizable).
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[QUOTE=Drako;4880112]i don't know, it's not out yet.[/QUOTE]
He death is pretty tame compared to the ones that follow. So it’s not a nerf issue
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[QUOTE=OpaqueGiraffe17;4876960]I’d be sad if this version of Dick is gone for good though. He was pretty solid, even if stuff like his stint as Batman and dynamic with Damian didn’t quite live up to the source material.
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If getting jobbed at every opportunity counts as pretty solid, we've truly sunk to a depressing low. Dick's greatest showing, imo, was in Bad Blood-- and even there he got thrashed by a mind-controlled Bruce; couldn't even put up a fight...
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[B]NIGHTWING #73[/B]
On sale June 17, 2020
The Joker knows Dick Grayson is Nightwing—and the plans he’s set in motion in will haunt Batman forever. Under the control of The Joker’s mysterious ally Punchline, Nightwing must battle the people he once loved most: Batgirl, the Robins, and…himself.
Written by DAN JURGENS
Art by RONAN CLIQUET
Cover by TRAVIS MOORE
Variant cover by ALAN QUAH
$3.99 US | 32 PAGES
FC | DC
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[B]NIGHTWING #73[/B]
On sale June 17, 2020
The Joker knows Dick Grayson is Nightwing—and the plans he’s set in motion in will haunt Batman forever. Under the control of The Joker’s mysterious ally Punchline, Nightwing must battle the people he once loved most: Batgirl, the Robins, and…himself.
Written by DAN JURGENS
Art by RONAN CLIQUET
Cover by TRAVIS MOORE
Variant cover by ALAN QUAH
$3.99 US | 32 PAGES
FC | DC[/QUOTE]
Jeez, how mind-controlled can one guy get?
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[QUOTE=Frontier;4883264]Jeez, how mind-controlled can one guy get?[/QUOTE]
This comment made me laugh and bummed me out at the same time.
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[QUOTE=Elmo;4879630]Avoid this movie because Dick Grayson dies? Doesn't everyone in it die anyway?[/QUOTE]
Pretty much. The universe is rebooting apparently
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[B]NIGHTWING #73[/B]
On sale June 17, 2020
The Joker knows Dick Grayson is Nightwing—and the plans he’s set in motion in will haunt Batman forever. Under the control of The Joker’s mysterious ally Punchline, Nightwing must battle the people he once loved most: Batgirl, the Robins, and…himself.
Written by DAN JURGENS
Art by RONAN CLIQUET
Cover by TRAVIS MOORE
Variant cover by ALAN QUAH
$3.99 US | 32 PAGES
FC | DC[/QUOTE]
Are they seriously repeating the same god damn story they just freaking told. Jesus, how lazy can a creative team be and how in gods name are they letting them get away with this. This is pathetic. Can’t wait for Red Condor to come out of nowhere and save the day again.
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[QUOTE=Godlike13;4883397]Are they seriously repeating the same god damn story they just freaking told. Jesus, how lazy can a creative team be and how in gods name are they letting them get away with this. This is pathetic. Can’t wait for Red Condor to come out of nowhere and save the day again.[/QUOTE]
Also, are they legitimately restoring Dick Grayson JUST IN TIME TO HAVE HIM MIND-CONTROLLED? What the literal F???? It's as if DC sat down and had a conference on how they could get fandom to revile one of their most beloved characters.
Then again, they've done it twice with Supergirl now (Red Lantern, then Hell Arisen)...and guess which book just got cancelled.
Ugh.
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Damnnnn
that comes out on my birthday.
happy birthday to me i guess.
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Poor guy can't catch a break...
..and then this.
SPOILERS of course..
[url]https://www.instagram.com/p/B9ZRb5aAs0R/?igshid=yflymfb30oqf[/url]
