[QUOTE=Godlike13;4912048]Is traditional Robin stories what we want with Damian though?[/QUOTE]
Occasionally, sure.
It could be fun seeing Damian in a traditional Robin role now and then.
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[QUOTE=Godlike13;4912048]Is traditional Robin stories what we want with Damian though?[/QUOTE]
Occasionally, sure.
It could be fun seeing Damian in a traditional Robin role now and then.
[QUOTE=Ascended;4912157]Occasionally, sure.
It could be fun seeing Damian in a traditional Robin role now and then.[/QUOTE]
Yeah I miss the classic Batman and Robin schtick at times. And there's no reason Damian can't fulfill it unless he's written as a one-dimensional character.
I wouldn't mind. The thing is DC wants to make meet a jerk. Sure he should this be a jerk but more light
[QUOTE=Restingvoice;4911879]Yeah, it's not like he's demon spawn 100% all the time. It will be fun seeing him trying to blend into normal school and teenage life. He won't do it voluntarily, but if there's someone to protect, if he can be made to think it's part of a mission, he'll do it.[/QUOTE]Maybe but I don't see that working as the default setting for an 100+ issue run.
[QUOTE=Ascended;4912157]Occasionally, sure.
It could be fun seeing Damian in a traditional Robin role now and then.[/QUOTE]
But part of the point of Damian is that he isn’t your traditional Robin. Telling traditional Robin stories with him kind of defeats the purpose.
[QUOTE=Aahz;4912367]Maybe but I don't see that working as the default setting for an 100+ issue run.[/QUOTE]
It doesn't have to be a 100+ issue run
It doesn't even have to be the default setting. it could vary.
Some stories set during WestReeves term time- stories about Damian trying to blend into a normal school life. Personally I prefer the way Tomasi and Gotham Academy handled it. Not even attempting and class mates disliking him for being a smarty pants then develop a little from there.
He's still forced to because shenanigans or some to save.
Summer break could be Robin stories where he teams up with batman, visits Nightwing but they end up teaming up to do hero work because shenanigans.
Damian bored looking for crime with Goliath and bumping into Maya or maps [bring her back] leading to crime fighting.
This gives a break from the default setting and allows for whatever type of story in any setting.
i don't want just school/teen adventures. I enjoy them but prefer the RSOB type adventures so it'd be nice to mix it up. incorporating the variety of themes that can be explore with the character.
I even want stories with his pets.
[QUOTE=Godlike13;4912389]But part of the point of Damian is that he isn’t your traditional Robin. Telling traditional Robin stories with him kind of defeats the purpose.[/QUOTE]
Eh, I enjoy the contrast.
I see it creating another Nightwing or Red Hood situation. Conforming the character with traditional traps so they can more easily produce another fodder book for a traditional style, boring old creator, no one would give the time of day anymore if they didn’t make their work a character’s only option.
To me it’s not a question of could they, but should they. And imo they should not. It’s a trap Damian would be better off to avoid.
Oh it's definitely not something I want to see with Damian all the time. Just once in a while. Seeley did that short arc with Damian and Dr. Hurt, and Damian largely filled the sidekick role there. And it was fun, and didn't damage Damian at all.
That's all I want to see. Just a short arc every few years where Damian partners up with Dick (or Bruce, for that matter).
Likewise, I sometimes want to see a fun story about Batman, instead of pulp, horror, etc. I don't want a return to Batman 66, but I don't mind a brief visit now and then either. As long as it's brief, and we only visit occasionally.
Ric is DC Reddit's [URL="https://new.reddit.com/r/DCcomics/comments/fshnvo/character_of_the_month_ric_grayson/"]Character of the Month[/URL], LoL.
[QUOTE=Godlike13;4916401]Ric is DC Reddit's [URL="https://new.reddit.com/r/DCcomics/comments/fshnvo/character_of_the_month_ric_grayson/"]Character of the Month[/URL], LoL.[/QUOTE]
I'm confused; do they intentionally pick the worst thing ever? I saw Agent 37 had *one* vote, while Ric and "tentacle monster Jason Todd" (what *is* that?) had 69 and 68.
Even the write up slams the story for not making any sense and being the worst thing ever. So how is Ric character of the month, unless it's "worst" character?
[QUOTE=Ascended;4916497]I'm confused; do they intentionally pick the worst thing ever? I saw Agent 37 had *one* vote, while Ric and "tentacle monster Jason Todd" (what *is* that?) had 69 and 68.
Even the write up slams the story for not making any sense and being the worst thing ever. So how is Ric character of the month, unless it's "worst" character?[/QUOTE]
Pretty sure it's a April Fools joke.
[QUOTE=Ascended;4916497]I'm confused; do they intentionally pick the worst thing ever? I saw Agent 37 had *one* vote, while Ric and "tentacle monster Jason Todd" (what *is* that?) had 69 and 68.
Even the write up slams the story for not making any sense and being the worst thing ever. So how is Ric character of the month, unless it's "worst" character?[/QUOTE]
Cause he’s the #1 fool.
[QUOTE=Drako;4916501]Pretty sure it's a April Fools joke.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Godlike13;4916531]Cause he’s the #1 fool.[/QUOTE]
Oh yeah. April 1st.
Stupid isolation has me losing track of days.
[QUOTE=Ascended;4916497]I'm confused; do they intentionally pick the worst thing ever? I saw Agent 37 had *one* vote,[/QUOTE]So did Batman Dick.
The real Character of the Month is Dick Grayson as Batman.
[url]https://www.reddit.com/r/DCcomics/comments/ftnqlz/character_of_the_month_dick_grayson_as_batman/[/url]
Agent 37 was second.
If Robin had a movie how would you want to have this work? By that Dick Grayson part one movie or trilogy. Or each film focuses one Robin
[QUOTE=AmiMizuno;4919423]If Robin had a movie how would you want to have this work? By that Dick Grayson part one movie or trilogy. Or each film focuses one Robin[/QUOTE]
Just one Robin movie first
Act 1 will be the Circus, Death of The Flying Graysons, Bruce Wayne, and adoption, all from Dick Grayson's perspective interspersed with Bruce's perspective investigating the Graysons' death.
Act 2 will be Dick discovering the Batcave, some conflict between Dick, Bruce and Alfred about the wisdom of training a child, and the training montage itself, maybe with some field partnership showcase
Act 3 will be defeating the villain and the resolution of partnership conflict from Act 2
Zucco is not a strong enough villain, so I think maybe he should be defeated between Act 1 and 2 or between Act 2 and 3 similar to how Maroni was arrested and replaced by Scarecrow and Ra's in Batman Begins. The final villain of Act 3 can be Two-Face
Whichever the Act 3 villain is I want him to be already established because the villain origin of someone big like Two-Face or Joker can overshadow
I'm curious would you guys want somewhat of a retcon after ric ends?
[QUOTE=AmiMizuno;4919609]I'm curious would you guys want somewhat of a retcon after ric ends?[/QUOTE]
Only if the retcon comes with Dc giving back all the cash I spent on Ric comics and returns all the time I wasted reading Ric.
A retcon doesn't change that it happened and he is being mind controlled so it's not like Dick did anything wrong.
Retcon isn’t necessary, just ignore it and move on.
[QUOTE=Godlike13;4919633]Retcon isn’t necessary, just ignore it and move on.[/QUOTE]
Seconded.
Move on and never make reference to it again.
[QUOTE=AmiMizuno;4919609]I'm curious would you guys want somewhat of a retcon after Ric ends?[/QUOTE]
I want a relaunch or renumbering so that I can have an unbroken collection of Rebirth Nightwing up until just before Ric, then stops and continue with New Timeline Nightwing issue or trade #1
I'll take a re-numbering and a return to a proper Nightwing direction, with no reference of Ric ever made again.
Whether the re-launch is a #1 or a combined "classic" numbering, I don't care.
If it was a classic numbering, I don't even know what issue we'd be up to now?
[QUOTE=Ascended;4920364]If it was a classic numbering, I don't even know what issue we'd be up to now?[/QUOTE]
- If we only count the "Nightwing" Ongoings, the last issues (Nightwing #70) would have been issue 256.
- If we also count the 1995 Nightwing mini series he had before his first ongoing that would add 4 issues
- I we also count "Grayson" that would add 20 issues
Cool, thanks.
I don't think miniseries should count, but Grayson should. I'd argue that a DickRobin solo should count too, but even though Dick had a number of solo adventures in the Golden Age those were just....backups? in other books I think? Or team ups? I forget, this stupid quarantine has turned my brain into mush.....
Yeah, only Tim and Damian have had books called Robin, Dick never had his own book until the 90s, long after he became Nightwing, even though he'd had his own feature in anthologies previously.
Thanks for reminding me. I know all this but man, sitting around the house all day is doing a number on my brain. I wish I could claim "day drinking!" but I'm not even a night drinker.....
[QUOTE=Godlike13;4919633]Retcon isn’t necessary, just ignore it and move on.[/QUOTE]
Yep, this. Whatever brings back his Dick memories wipes out his Ric memories. It never needs to be mentioned again.
[QUOTE=AmiMizuno;4919609]I'm curious would you guys want somewhat of a retcon after ric ends?[/QUOTE]
I want a retcon. It has ruined my whole outlook on the Batfamily and the Titans. They essentially turned their back on someone who was shot in the head. Ric is insufferable but I mean surely they'd expect some personality changes after a TBI?
I know it's down to bad writing and planning but it makes the Batfamily and Titans look like either imbeciles or monsters. Babs has Dicks memories, a normal woman wouldn't forget that but Babs has an eidetic memory, so is she just sitting on that info to be a cow? I will never take it seriously when the Titans say "Titans together" or someone says Dick is the heart of the team/family/DCU.
There is no payoff coming that will make this arc worth it. Bruce will pat him on the head, Dick will ignore the fact that his family and friends are terrible people, probably apologize for the inconvenience he caused, then we'll go back to constantly changing creative teams, treading water until the next big event tie in. Sorry for the rant
Yeah, they should've shown Raven and Miss Martian trying - and failing - to fix him. Barbara did at least try, but she's not psychic like Megan.
[QUOTE=Digifiend;4922412]Yeah, they should've shown Raven and Miss Martian trying - and failing - to fix him. Barbara did at least try, but she's not psychic like Megan.[/QUOTE]
I know Babs has visited him but as far as I know there's been no explanation as to why she hasn't mentioned the memories in a jar. Probably because DC needs this arc to drag on for some time but it doesn't make any sense plot wise. It has an unintended consequence of making Babs look like an idiot.
Or get Diana due to the lasso fixing minds. I often wonder why will their be any good stories once normal Dick returns. Also what do you guys think about Dick going back to college? I have seen that thrown around a bit
[QUOTE=AmiMizuno;4923202]Or get Diana due to the lasso fixing minds. [/QUOTE]A good point - was that ability established before the just completed Supergirl arc?
[QUOTE=AmiMizuno;4923202]Or get Diana due to the lasso fixing minds. I often wonder why will their be any good stories once normal Dick returns. Also what do you guys think about Dick going back to college? I have seen that thrown around a bit[/QUOTE]well it's like lady nightwing said. When ric gets back to back to being dick he's just going to be terreding water and doing the same things as ric anyway.
Nightwing needs a serious status quo change and shack up. I believe nightwing needs to spin off into his own franchise like DC's other biggest heroes. Nightwing as a franchise could be on the same levels as the flash, green lantern and aquaman with his own mythos.
I'm just so tired of nightwing being nothing more than a supporting character for the bat mythos. Nightwing should be so much more than just another Robin and member of the batfamily. There's a reason why nightwing who's supposed to be is own hero is only seen as a member of batman's family and doesnt have a "night family" of his own (because supporting characters dosen't get family's of their own). Dick doesn't even get to have his own logo on his own book because it's NOT his book its batman's sidebook. That's why dick's own story's in "his" book comes second to the main batman book.
DC needs to spin nightwing off into his own franchise and start becoming a lead character of his own or hell trade him to another franchise like superman or wonder woman and be a supporting character over there. At least those franchise aren't over bloated and it'll be something new/fresh.
I'm just done with midcard nightwing I'm ready for main eventer nightwing. Rant over.
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I'm just done with midcard nightwing I'm ready for main eventer nightwing. Rant over.[/QUOTE]
I think we are all right there with you.
I'm curious, do you guys think for the first time Dick will not be in an animated series? So far we have Babs yet no Dick Grayson.
[QUOTE=AmiMizuno;4924277]I'm curious, do you guys think for the first time Dick will not be in an animated series? So far we have Babs yet no Dick Grayson.[/QUOTE]
Which series are you referring to?
[QUOTE=Grayson - The Dark Heir;4924310]Which series are you referring to?[/QUOTE]
I'm guessing the Harley Quinn show on the DCU app? I feel like Ami mentioned it in another thread or something somewhere.
I'm fine with it. From what I've seen that show actually does a pretty good job translating characters to fit around it's premise without really compromising the character's core traits (except perhaps King Shark), so I'd *like* to see Nightwing there, and I'm not convinced he won't show up later on, but I'm cool with it if he doesn't. Dick doesn't have to be in "every" cartoon.
Less animated Dick and Harley may be for the better after that last movie lol