Snyder’s universe is dead so who cares. It’s probably good that it was Dick in Snyder’s universe, as his failed universe will likely live on as a lesson in what not do.
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Snyder’s universe is dead so who cares. It’s probably good that it was Dick in Snyder’s universe, as his failed universe will likely live on as a lesson in what not do.
Former DC publisher Dan DiDio on the New 52 vs Rebirth and why he 'hated' Wally and Dick
[url]https://www.gamesradar.com/former-dc-publisher-dan-didio-on-the-new-52-vs-rebirth-and-why-he-hated-wally-and-dick/[/url]
[QUOTE=Godlike13;5020931]Snyder’s universe is dead so who cares. It’s probably good that it was Dick in Snyder’s universe, as his failed universe will likely live on as a lesson in what not do.[/QUOTE]
The sunset cut succes could change that
Anyway we have titans
Grabbed the stuff relevant to Dick, for the people who don't want to read the whole thing.
[QUOTE]Nrama: You drew a fair amount of fan heat for being the guy who theoretically hated Dick Grayson or Wally West. Is this indeed the case? Or was it just pro wrestling, drawing heel heat?
DiDio: A lot of it was for show. It was theater. We used to do the conventions and we used to have people worked up about Dick Grayson and Wally West, so we fed into that energy. Anytime I go to a convention and we talk about character, I consider that a win.
So much of the conversation nowadays is not about character or story anymore, which is a shame, because that's the only conversation that should be taking place.
For me, Wally West was a core concept issue. My problem with Wally was that his origin was always dependent on [his uncle and previous Flash] Barry Allen. He was never his own character. He was always going to be subservient to Barry in some way because his origin was determined by Barry. There was always a Flash in front of him and his powers were because of him. I always felt, as a true Flash, if we were trying to get to the simplest form with regards to media and things like that, we had to go back to Barry because the story starts with him.
With [original Robin] Dick Grayson — and this is the same with Wally — people loved them because they aged with them, so they feel this affinity that these guys have grown up with them. The problem is that much like Batman and Superman, now Dick Grayson and Wally West have to stop aging, because they're going to pass their mentors. Dick Grayson's going to get older than Bruce Wayne at some point, because Bruce doesn't age and Dick Grayson's going to be the older guy if he does keep growing up. Therefore, those things constantly force the reboots that we're faced with, because it creates these log jams and these multiple interpretations of characters all sharing the same name.
Ultimately, in my mind, we kept on collapsing our timelines and created confusion about how long certain characters were in certain roles, and what they did in those roles. For me, with Dick Grayson, the issue wasn't about the fact that I didn't like the character. In fact, when I said we should kill Dick Grayson, it was purely story driven.
We were in the middle of Infinite Crisis. The driving point of Infinite Crisis is the fracturing of Superman, Batman, and Wonder Woman, and their inability to work together fractures the impact of the other heroes. I needed a defining moment that would bring these three together after all the troubles, something that they can unite over.
I felt the death of one of the characters that touched them all in a way was going to be the perfect way to do that. Dick Grayson was that character. I felt he was the character that everybody had such a great affinity and love for.
By putting him in that role that if he died, he would bring Superman and Batman together again and unite our heroes against the great threat, I think that's a noble death, and I think that's something that had value. Same type of death happened in Crisis on Infinite Earths. You want to have that level of importance.
Think about it: In Crisis on Infinite Earths, they kill Barry Allen, they kill Kara Zor-El, two major characters in the DC Universe. I figured we needed to do something that would be the sequel to that story and we needed a death of equal weight of that character.[/QUOTE]
I've always agreed that Dick dying in Infinite Crisis (a short term death) was a viable play. His sales weren't as great as they had been, and a six-twelve month break could've been good for him as well as provide quality fuel for the Crisis story. I would've hated Dick dying but it was a viable storytelling option.
But the stuff about Dick aging and how all of Dick's fans love him because they grew up with him? That's raw bullsh*t. That's not even a problem, it's just an excuse.
[QUOTE=Rac7d*;5021925]The sunset cut succes could change that
Anyway we have titans[/QUOTE]
The Snyder cut isn’t going to change anything. They cleaned house after a JL bombed. They are not gonna repeat the same mistake a 3rd time.
[QUOTE=Godlike13;5022054]The Snyder cut isn’t going to change anything. They cleaned house after a JL bombed. They are not gonna repeat the same mistake a 3rd time.[/QUOTE]
You have more faith in WB than I do then.
Did you see Birds of Prey? The only change WB has made in their movies is that they're now making a few films that *aren't* awful, while still repeating all the mistakes they've been making since Man of Steel.
I fully believe, and am confident in, WB's ability to not learn their lesson.
So far the only lesson is Wonder Woman. They are hiring directors who knew nothing about the characters. I'm not saying you need someone who knows all. I mean Robbie was the one to pick the film. She dropped the project of Gotham Sirens due to wanting black Canary, Caassie and Huntress yet nothing about them look like the characters. She should have stuck with GCS
The Didio thing is pretty much what we already knew, but him acknowledging more that he was playing it up as a heel.
[QUOTE=Pohzee;5022667]The Didio thing is pretty much what we already knew, but him acknowledging more that he was playing it up as a heel.[/QUOTE]
I’ll say this, one thing that benefits Dick that Wally unfortunately suffers from is that modern Dick is a more distinct from modern Bruce than modern Wally is from modern Barry.* There’s so much overlap with Barry and Wally personality wise (both are meant to be everyman) where’s Dick has been written in a way that contrasts Bruce’s darkness. Plus he has his own codename.
*i like both Barry and Wally, I really do. But I don’t envy writers who are going to have to juggle both of them.
[QUOTE=qwazer07;5020791]Hahaha! They are replacing DCEU Batman to make him mentor Batgirl or Batman Beyond. Nightwing is skipped or forgotten or killed again. Thank you DC, Warner and AT&T! I'm dead. That's it... I can't handle this anymore. Maybe Dick gets a cameo as a real person. Or another Robin costume with a middle finger sprayed on it. I don't know. I wish I could stop caring...[/QUOTE]
Good for Babs but yeah I don’t see Dick being used in any Patterson or Keaton movies.
[QUOTE=Pohzee;5022667]The Didio thing is pretty much what we already knew, but him acknowledging more that he was playing it up as a heel.[/QUOTE]
I think we all knew he was leaning into it and playing it up when he started posting "Aw, dead Grayson! LOLZ" stuff on social media during movie premiers. :p
The fact that he hammed it up doesn't excuse the fact that it was bone-head stupid business and he cost the company a lot of potential and actual revenue.....but it's nice to know for certain that he wasn't as crazy about it as he made himself out to be, I guess.
I'd love to sit down with that guy and have a beer. I'd yell at him for letting his bias unduly influence business choices, but he does seem like a really nice dude.
I mean with Zack Synder's universe pretty much dead. Maybe Dick will have some luck
[QUOTE=AmiMizuno;5024337]I mean with Zack Synder's universe pretty much dead. Maybe Dick will have some luck[/QUOTE]
It depends on how batgirl goes
I think it's more likely we'll get a independent Nightwing film than a film connected to a wider continuity.
But I don't think we're getting a film at all, so.......
First step is likely the Titans show. They're still doing a season 3 right? Make a quality season that shows off how great Nightwing is.....maybe that leads to a solo spin-off or a new show on HBO's streaming service or something. Success breeds success, and all that. We've got plenty of quality Dick Grayson/Nightwing in group settings, and Titans feels like the culmination of that success; a bigger budget effort churned out due to the success of stuff like TTGO!.....so now we just gotta show that Nightwing works as a solo act too. That's not hard, you just gotta get the right attention.
Honestly I don't even want a movie right now anyway. WB would just f**k it up like they have 75% of their other DC movies. I'd rather have no movie at all than a bad one.
If we are lucky I really would want a Nightwing animated movie. If we had to pick any of his older stories which one would make a good Nightwing animated movie?
I don't know if they can make a good Batgirl movie. Wonder Woman did something that I thought would never happen. Only for Birds of Prey to mess it up. It really depends on who they get. The director they pick has to be someone who is good. I know a comic writer doesn't always equal screenwriter but I would like it if a comic writer was brought in to help.
[QUOTE=AmiMizuno;5024680]If we are lucky I really would want a Nightwing animated movie. If we had to pick any of his older stories which one would make a good Nightwing animated movie?[/QUOTE]
[center]My choice would definitely be...
[B][SIZE=3]Nightwing: Year One[/SIZE][/B] :cool:
[img]https://2.bp.blogspot.com/eAlqErvDNjJcnfSVfInzJmmJ2RZVeAL5hg1romv6bL-adGQNa44zGyGUPppih5ZpKAYPQl66wRi5=s1600[/img][/center]
Anyone read Titans: Titans Forever #1? For the love of god, there’s a Titans comic that treated Dick like a actual leader, competent, and didn’t go out of its way to make everyone look BAD. Jason is even in the book & has a decent dynamic. It’s a good issue!
[QUOTE=K7P5V;5024728][center]My choice would definitely be...
[B][SIZE=3]Nightwing: Year One[/SIZE][/B] :cool:
[img]https://2.bp.blogspot.com/eAlqErvDNjJcnfSVfInzJmmJ2RZVeAL5hg1romv6bL-adGQNa44zGyGUPppih5ZpKAYPQl66wRi5=s1600[/img][/center][/QUOTE]
I miss this look. Say what you will, but it’s a George Perez exclusive. If it’s not busy, it wasn’t his design.
The discowing outfit definitely has a real charm to it. Obviously Dick couldn't wear something like that today but it should always be apart of his history.
[QUOTE=JayPursuits;5025237]Anyone read Titans: Titans Forever #1? For the love of god, there’s a Titans comic that treated Dick like a actual leader, competent, and didn’t go out of its way to make everyone look BAD. Jason is even in the book & has a decent dynamic. It’s a good issue![/QUOTE]
I liked that too, I'm always starving for good Nightwing and Titans story, and that was a breathe of fresh air. Still missing Wally, but good overall and nobody was OOC
I'm curious due to his long history. What are the best and worst things Dick has done?
[QUOTE=AmiMizuno;5026220]I'm curious due to his long history. What are the best and worst things Dick has done?[/QUOTE]
I dunno if this is the worst thing Dick's done, but in the pulp noir annual he seduces a woman and marries her as part of an investigation. I forget the details, I think she had been married to a mob guy who got killed.....I can't recall, but she had gone through a rough patch and Dick used that to work his way into her life. Stone cold.
He never sleeps with her, and I can't decide if that makes it worse or better. I mean, sleeping with her under false pretenses is pretty damn awful but think how wrecked that poor girl is; she went through the original trauma that put her in Dick's crosshairs, has legit feelings for him, and then endures the stress of wondering why her boyfriend/new husband isn't even interested enough in her to share a bed. She's just a ball of anxiety and depression by the end, and a lot of it was caused by Dick.
Well, he thought she was a serial killer (both her husbands died soon after the wedding in accidents), so decided to marry her and found out the truth. There are plenty of stories with the same plot, plus it was written by Devine Grayson, so he wasn't exactly on character.
A lot of people hate what he did in the Annual #2, when he slept with Barbara just before telling her that he was going to marry Kory... that was awful, seriously, but OOC again.
Probably the wrost thing, imo, was killing the Joker.
The best? He helped a lot of people, giving them a new path and purpouse: I'm thinking about Damian, Rose and even Bruce.
How Nightwing Evolved into DC’s Greatest Hero
[url]https://nerdist.com/article/nightwing-dcs-greatest-hero/[/url]
[QUOTE=Valentonis;5025320]The discowing outfit definitely has a real charm to it. Obviously Dick couldn't wear something like that today but it should always be apart of his history.[/QUOTE]
I used to be very over-serious about it, but these days I sort of think that a Dick Grayson outfit that doesn't look a little flamboyant and showy is missing a key part of Dick Grayson.
[QUOTE=Claude;5026538]I used to be very over-serious about it, but these days I sort of think that a Dick Grayson outfit that doesn't look a little flamboyant and showy is missing a key part of Dick Grayson.[/QUOTE]
I agree, his current blue stripe look is simple and iconic and I love it, but I always felt like it was a little too "gotham" if that makes any sense. I feel like modern nightwing doesn't gel as well visually with the rest of the Titans compared to the classic look. Imo the perfect Nightwing outfit would essentially be a modernized discowing.
I still think the "black suit with blue bird emblem" costumes are the best. You have the now classic blue-black color scheme, you have a logo you can slap on merchandise, you can include a lot of detail (like Young Justice, Arkham games) or slim it down completely (Timmverse) without losing the overall design, and it's easy to draw while also standing out from the rest of the cape-n-cowls crowd.
The original Dixon era chevron is my absolute favorite Nightwing costume, and it's just as flexible as the one with the logo (Titans live action, direct-to-DvD cartoons), but Dick needs an emblem for marketing.
Yea. I don't like that they took away the bird. Didn't he have gliders in one era?
[QUOTE=AmiMizuno;5027729]Yea. I don't like that they took away the bird. Didn't he have gliders in one era?[/QUOTE]
He did, I think it was the yellow and blue early 90's costume?
I'd very much like to get the glider back, I don't know why it was taken away in the first place.
Today's Batman: Gotham Nights had a short story about Dick and Jason teaming up to solve a murder. Pretty good.
[QUOTE=Drako;5029877]Today's Batman: Gotham Nights had a short story about Dick and Jason teaming up to solve a murder. Pretty good.[/QUOTE]
Jason, Dick, Chemo, and Bludhaven. Deliberate call back?
[QUOTE=Drako;5029877]Today's Batman: Gotham Nights had a short story about Dick and Jason teaming up to solve a murder. Pretty good.[/QUOTE]
How was their dynamic?
[QUOTE=Drako;5029877]Today's Batman: Gotham Nights had a short story about Dick and Jason teaming up to solve a murder. Pretty good.[/QUOTE]
Eeh, i didn't love it. The first story wasn't bad, but the team up. Ya, i don't know. Im pretty over the serious Batman Jr. plus insert character to tell him how serious he is and/or how he's not Batman. It is one of the most base and boring default takes on the character, and just sucks all the charm out of the character.
[QUOTE=AmiMizuno;5030765]How was their dynamic?[/QUOTE]
Dick's the serious one and Jason is his same old self. It has some good back and forth between the two. Not what you would want, but respectful of both characters, i think.
[QUOTE=Godlike13;5030795]Eeh, i didn't love it. The first story wasn't bad, but the team up. Ya, i don't know. Im pretty over the serious Batman Jr. plus insert character to tell him how serious he is and/or how he's not Batman. It is one of the most base and boring default takes on the character, and just sucks all the charm out of the character.[/QUOTE]
It's nothing great, but at least nothing offensive either. For a random comic book like this, i kinda liked. At this point i just take what i can get.
Hey, that’s fair.
A article was wrote about it
[url]https://www.cbr.com/batman-gotham-nights-proves-red-hood-nightwing-are-perfect-partners/amp/?__twitter_impression=true[/url]
What do you guys think? The two of them teaming up more often ?
Not if Dick has to play the boring straight man.
[QUOTE=AmiMizuno;5031927]A article was wrote about it
[url]https://www.cbr.com/batman-gotham-nights-proves-red-hood-nightwing-are-perfect-partners/amp/?__twitter_impression=true[/url]
What do you guys think? The two of them teaming up more often ?[/QUOTE]
No thank you, it's never fun.
[QUOTE=Godlike13;5031954]Not if Dick has to play the boring straight man.[/QUOTE]
This, it's like whenever they team up Dick suddenly forgets that he has a sense of humor.
[QUOTE=Wingin' It;5032004]This, it's like whenever they team up Dick suddenly forgets that he has a sense of humor.[/QUOTE]
True the batboys together become the ninja turtle with the exception of Dick and Damian
No more Jason in Dick's orbit please.
Few other things save Ric or Bludhaven would turn me off to a Nightwing book faster