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I appreciate the domino mask is bigger
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DC #1027
It looks kinda like the TNA mask. Which kinda looks like Hal's mask but I know some people that prefer that look
[QUOTE=AmiMizuno;5147346]Well it seems this whole Ric story isn't done has the next solicit for Nightwing is if he wants this.[/QUOTE]That's just mop up, tying up loose ends.
I guess we've seen the last of the four fake Nightwings now.
[QUOTE=Digifiend;5148014]That's just mop up, tying up loose ends.
I guess we've seen the last of the four fake Nightwings now.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, I'd expect some clean up as well. If you're gonna spend that much time telling the story, at least be responsible enough to follow up with some fall out stuff.
[QUOTE=Pohzee;5147939]It looks kinda like the TNA mask. Which kinda looks like Hal's mask but I know some people that prefer that look[/QUOTE]
It reminds me of Green hornet and Kato
A little off the rails but when did Dick Grayson become the owner of Haley Circus
[QUOTE=Digifiend;5148014]That's just mop up, tying up loose ends.
I guess we've seen the last of the four fake Nightwings now.[/QUOTE]
I think the one thing we really need to close this thing out is for Dick to process all of this at the Sanctuary!
[QUOTE=AmiMizuno;5148304]A little off the rails but when did Dick Grayson become the owner of Haley Circus[/QUOTE]
Beginning of the New52. Not sure which issue exactly....think it might've been a final page drop in issue 1, but it was definitely in effect by the end of issue 3 if memory serves me right.
[QUOTE=Pohzee;5148355]I think the one thing we really need to close this thing out is for Dick to process all of this at the Sanctuary![/QUOTE]
....dude. Why would you even say that? Are you *trying* to curse us? 2020 is listening!
Should he have kept the Circus?
I mean wondering this for a while. IF they ever do an elsewhere story with Dick having kids again should Nightwing used by one kid uses or that's something that can never be touched
[QUOTE=AmiMizuno;5148304]A little off the rails but when did Dick Grayson become the owner of Haley Circus[/QUOTE]
In Post Crisis somewhere during the Bludhaven era
In New 52 he was given the deed in issue #2
[QUOTE=AmiMizuno;5147932]What do you guys think?
[url]https://www.cbr.com/nightwing-joker-war-real-robin-king/[/url][/QUOTE]
Nightwing. Batman's ultimate sidekick! Sounds about right :(
What comes before The Gauntlet?
[QUOTE=Restingvoice;5149279]What comes before The Gauntlet?[/QUOTE]
Pick your Robin origin of choice: I can't think of any stories between then and his first time out where he is training in the cave. Mine is Dark Victory
[QUOTE=Pohzee;5149320]Pick your Robin origin of choice: I can't think of any stories between then and his first time out where he is training in the cave. Mine is Dark Victory[/QUOTE]
Which one sent him to the foster home of bullied boys before being taken to the Manor?
Not familiar with that one I don't think
[QUOTE=Restingvoice;5149347]Which one sent him to the foster home of bullied boys before being taken to the Manor?[/QUOTE]
Robin Annual #4.
Okay dude to issues. How good should his fighting skills. I mean Jay has almost killed him and Cassie too. So what should be Dick's fighting skills?
[QUOTE=AmiMizuno;5149890]Okay dude to issues. How good should his fighting skills. I mean Jay [B]has almost killed him [/B]and Cassie too. So what should be Dick's fighting skills?[/QUOTE]
Where? I don't remember this ever happening.
There are many variables that go into a fight but to make it short, you just have to remember that he's an acrobat prodigy trained by Batman and has 10-15-20 years of experience dealing with mobsters, martial artists, metahumans, and the supernatural with the necessary intelligence and improvisation that's needed in such situations.
Dick also made Tim and Jason look like chumps with all this Joker War nonsense lol.
When DC remembers what it means to be a Titan, and what Dick being a Titan has to mean for his capabilities, you'll see just how far above most other street-level characters he is (well, was, and only was until DC remembers). Obviously, Lady Shiva and Cass are notable exceptions for purely fighting skill.
Huh? Dick did nothing in Joker War. Babs literally beat him with her hands behind her back.
[QUOTE=Restingvoice;5148959]In Post Crisis somewhere during the Bludhaven era
In New 52 he was given the deed in issue #2[/QUOTE]I'm pretty sure he allready bought in "A Lonley place of Dying" (or at least around that time).
[QUOTE=Grayson - The Dark Heir;5150508]Dick also made Tim and Jason look like chumps with all this Joker War nonsense lol.[/QUOTE]Which seems really nonsensically if you look how much better Barbara did against him.
To the original question I think Dick, Bruce and Jason should be on pretty similar level at this point when it comes to fighting skills.
[QUOTE=Aahz;5150690]I'm pretty sure he allready bought in "A Lonley place of Dying" (or at least around that time).
Which seems really nonsensically if you look how much better Barbara did against him.
To the original question I think Dick, Bruce and Jason should be on pretty similar level at this point when it comes to fighting skills.[/QUOTE]
Oh I thought he was just visiting
DC doesn't allow Nightwing to beat up Babs. If there's a fight or interaction, Babs tends to be depicted as the smarter, wiser, better one. Whether it's serious or comedic.
Even though when it comes to not beating up, Dick has always been depicted as faster and stealthier than Babs.
You know what... make that all of his main love interest. Starfire in the TT movie, Helena in comics...
It may be an abuse thing, male on the female is no, female on the male is funny or okay, it may be the romance trope of foolish male, it maybe a branding thing
In terms of raw combat prowess, I figure Dick has to rank up there pretty damn high. Cass Cain, Shiva, Bronze Tiger, Richard Dragon, those people are all better fighters than he is and I'd entertain the argument that so is Black Canary, and there's probably a few others out there I'm forgetting about who might surpass Dick in terms of raw fighting ability.
But Dick is likely in the Top 10 greatest fighters on earth. He's in the prime of life, is one of the most naturally gifted athletes in the world, has been trained by not only Bruce but also Donna, Kori, and I forget who else, giving him access to fighting styles unknown to most humans, and Dick has over a decade of active experience under his belt but hasn't started physically slowing down yet.
Among the Bats I figure Dick is better than anyone except Cass. But that's not taking into account stuff like Azreal's subconscious programming, which makes him virtually super-human, or the fact that Bruce taught Dick much of what he knows, which gives Bruce an advantage. But I figure if you put Dick in a room with the other Bats, and nobody had any tools or gadgets, Dick has pretty good odds of taking down everyone but Cass, and Cass Cain is a gods damn monster people thought was superhuman because she's so damn good at fighting.
Cass may not be a meta, but she does have a superpower - her ability to predict opponents' movements. She reads body language. That's why she's such a good fighter.
For you guys which comic origin do you like better? Bruce firing him or quitting? I don't understand Why Dc didn't keep him quitting
[QUOTE=AmiMizuno;5151663]For you guys which comic origin do you like better? Bruce firing him or quitting? I don't understand Why Dc didn't keep him quitting[/QUOTE]
Quitting without grudge, of course, just him realizing he needs a grown-up identity
Honestly, I don't know what they're using right now
[QUOTE=Digifiend;5151335]Cass may not be a meta, but she does have a superpower - her ability to predict opponents' movements. She reads body language. That's why she's such a good fighter.[/QUOTE]
They gave Dick that ability too in the New 52 and Cass fans got upset by it because it made her less special from what I remember. It was a long time ago now so I can't remember it clearly.
[QUOTE=AmiMizuno;5151663]For you guys which comic origin do you like better? Bruce firing him or quitting? I don't understand Why Dc didn't keep him quitting[/QUOTE]
Probably neither. I don't think there has been a great Nightwing origin story that felt defining.
[QUOTE=Badou;5151730]They gave Dick that ability too in the New 52 and Cass fans got upset by it because it made her less special from what I remember. It was a long time ago now so I can't remember it clearly.
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Yeah, they did, and they did get upset, but the ability ended up only being used in about 2 issues or so
[QUOTE=Restingvoice;5151737]Yeah, they did, and they did get upset, but the ability ended up only being used in about 2 issues or so[/QUOTE]
Was it when he was fighting Shiva? Been so long since I read that now.
I think they gave it to him to make up for his lost history as a way to keep his abilities at a good level. Since he was 16 now and was only with Bruce for under 2 years before he left.
[QUOTE=Badou;5151801]Was it when he was fighting Shiva? Been so long since I read that now.
I think they gave it to him to make up for his lost history as a way to keep his abilities at a good level. Since he was 16 now and was only with Bruce for under 2 years before he left.[/QUOTE]
Nah. Just to recognize Bruce Wayne as Batman and win at a card game to get information ^^
[QUOTE=Restingvoice;5150978]Oh I thought he was just visiting[/QUOTE]Just rechecked it, he became co-owner in New Teen Titans #60.
[QUOTE=Badou;5151730]They gave Dick that ability too in the New 52 and Cass fans got upset by it because it made her less special from what I remember. It was a long time ago now so I can't remember it clearly.
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I've never understand why Cass fans are so angry. There was a lot more on Cass than her ability to predict oponent's movement.
Although I guess that's why so many Dick fans were angry that Tim was an athletic gymnast.
It is funny, many fans are angry that the Batfamily characters are reduced to their abilities, but they are also angry if other members of the Batfamily have similar abilities.
They gave Dick the ability to read people along the lines a poker player being able to read a person, vs Cass were its more of a precondition superpower. Its whatever. On one hand it makes sense for an aerialist to be ability to anticipate a body's movement, and quite frankly to a degree its part of basic fighting, but again its whatever. Its world building and shit to do that Dick needed more so then feats or what have you. The introduction of Shiva into his origin was awful though. There are a ton of characters better suited for that role then boring Shiva, but Shiva had nothing else going on so they had to force her somewhere. Its sucked and the resulting DeFalco story was trash. Non of that that was for Dick's benefit.
As to Dick fans being angry that Tim was an athletic gymnast, remember he was also the new creator of the Teen Titans. This is more then simply stealing an ability, an ability they all already do to a degree, they tore Dick's entire Titans history away form him and his mythos to try and insert it into Tim. To try and keep Tim and his relevant in a new younger world they quite frankly did not fit, while whatever remnants of Dick's Titans that were left were given to Jason to help fill out his series. Making Tim an Olympic gymnast was just a further twist of the knife during the larger pillaging that was going on.
[QUOTE=Godlike13;5151970]They gave Dick the ability to read people along the lines a poker player being able to read a person, vs Cass were its more of a precondition superpower. Its whatever. On one hand it makes sense for an aerialist to be ability to anticipate a body's movement, and quite frankly to a degree its part of basic fighting, but again its whatever. Its world building and shit to do that Dick needed more so then feats or what have you. The introduction of Shiva into his origin was awful though. There are a ton of characters better suited for that role then boring Shiva, but Shiva had nothing else going on so they had to force her somewhere. Its sucked and the resulting DeFalco story was trash. Non of that that was for Dick's benefit.
As to Dick fans being angry that Tim was an athletic gymnast, remember he was also the new creator of the Teen Titans. This is more then simply stealing an ability, an ability they all already do to a degree, they tore Dick's entire Titans history away form him and his mythos to try and insert it into Tim. To try and keep Tim and his relevant in a new younger world they quite frankly did not fit, while whatever remnants of Dick's Titans were left were given to Jason to help fill out his series. Making Tim an Olympic gymnast was just a further twist of the knife during the larger pillaging that was going on.[/QUOTE]
I don't exactly remember, do we know that Dick lost his Teen Titans group when we heard about Tim as a gymnast?
At the beginning of New52, Dick's Titans still existed (likely due to miscommunicatiom from DC side). It was lated established that Tim's Teen Titans was the first. I don't exactly remember if we already know that when we heard about Tim as a gymanst.
Zero Month was a year after the New 52, readers knew what was what by then. Whatever makeshift group Lobdell tried to concoct with Dick, Roy, Kory, and Dustin was dropped by then. Dick's TTs and NTTs was clearly gone for the most part, along with most of that generation, and whatever remnants that were left Dick could not touch. Not only that whatever existed in their place was left to the whims of Lobdell, Tim and Jason's current writer, and not Dick's own creator. Its part of why i felt for Higgins and the hand he was dealt. He had to lean so hard into Batman and Dick's Hailey's history cause he had no influence on anything else with Dick, and could touch a huge part of what created Nightwing.
[QUOTE=Konja7;5151945]I've never understand why Cass fans are so angry. There was a lot more on Cass than her ability to predict oponent's movement. [/QUOTE]
Cass had also been completely erased from continuity at the time.
I also remember Tim fans got angry because Dick is able to recognize Bruce as Batman because that's supposed to be Tim's thing
It's a Batfam skill and anger merry-go-round ^^
[QUOTE=Restingvoice;5152016]I also remember Tim fans got angry because Dick is able to recognize Bruce as Batman because that's supposed to be Tim's thing
It's a Batfam skill and anger merry-go-round ^^[/QUOTE]
That's why you don't make so many redundant characters in the first place.
[QUOTE=WonderNight;5152175]That's why you don't make so many redundant characters in the first place.[/QUOTE]
It’s just a matter of time if Tim does not find his own identity. Their gonna realize a third white Robin is not necessary. Duke should be transitioning soon.