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[QUOTE=WonderNight;5276767]He was in that run. He didn't even have a cellphone and his apartment had a record player in his 20s lol. Dick was push as someone who doesn't like tech.[/QUOTE]
Having a record player doesn’t make you low tech, it’s just retro. Him not having a cell phone I don’t even belive, his Nightwing mask is tech and he has family who may need him, he’ll even if it’s just a clam
[QUOTE=Claude;5276785]
He shouldn't be [I]ignorant[/I] of technology, but disinterested and not having it as part of his Civilian Life? That seems plausible.[/QUOTE]
I'd be fine with that, and can totally see Dick as being relatively ambivalent about technology, but Percy overdid it to an extreme, even by Percy standards.
Having a record player because you're retro is one thing. Not having a cell phone is quite another.
Not to mention it's quite out of character for him. Dick's never been uber tech savvy like Tim or Babs, but he still *uses* it.
I mean, it's just one aspect of what Percy was doing and I still think we'd have been infinitely better off if DC hadn't crashed Percy's run, but I think Percy really misunderstood this element of Grayson.
I think he understood it, but his objective was if everybody is wearing red maybe wear blue. And i respect that idea. From Tim to Steph everyone is now a technowiz. Thing is technology being a characteristic in this day and age is just weak in general, being good at it or bad. Its an essential in this day in age. Its like a toilet. Imagine if a character was introduced and his "thing" was that he was good at using a toilet, its like cool who isn't, but then you have another who doesn't want to use a toilet. And with that you just roll your eyes.
He was raised by Bruce and trained being Robin and he is shown in many runs being okay with tech. Not on the levels like Babs or Tim but can at least Hack or make tech. So he can have a cellphone.
[QUOTE=AmiMizuno;5277517]He was raised by Bruce and trained being Robin and he is shown in many runs being okay with tech. Not on the levels like Babs or Tim but can at least Hack or make tech. So he can have a cellphone.[/QUOTE] Also spend years on the same team and friends with freaking CYBORG! Being Anti-tech dick ain't the one.
It makes Dick look incompetent not to have a deeper understanding and background in technology nowadays. Percy having Dick be borderline anti-technology was bizarre, and even in Higgins Chicago arc he had Dick not know what computer programing language was. Things like that just don't work in 2020 when everyone is walking around with a computer in their pocket. Sure, Dick grew up in a circus, but he was also trained by Batman for years and years. Dick should have a fairly deep understanding of tech and computers just based off Batman's training. He should understand how to use technology, hack computers, diagnose issues with technology, and use tech to enhance his detective and crimefighting work. Something along the lines of him on the Young Justice show is a good example of how tech and tech knowledge should be used for his character, imo. I'd even want Dick to have a belt on his costume where it allows him more access to gadgets and things for more unique fights and problem solving.
Now it shouldn't be dialed up to 11 like you see with so many characters where it feels like fantasy. It needs to be believable. So things like Tim being able to build a super computer better than the Bat computer or turn his house into a giant shapeshifting computer are too much. Same with a Roy in his spare time building nuclear bombs because he is a super genius apparently now, or Babs creating her own sentient AI from a computer. Stuff like that is too much. It's fine if you want characters like Babs, Tim, and others to be a lot better with tech, which I am fine with and he should go to them if there is an issue over his head, but it doesn't mean Dick shouldn't know what computer programing is and be decent at using tech himself.
Anyway, I do a lot of bitching about what I dislike so my pitch for what to do with his solo book (if he even has one anymore) would go like this. I'd bring Spyral back. Right now Spyral is kind of dead so you have the chance to rebuild it in a way Dick wants while being in charge of it. So I'd have Dick create a new Spyral team where he can operate it as Nightwing. So you already eliminate the major issues some fans had with Spyral. That Dick was working for "bad" people while being a spy and he wasn't Nightwing in it. Here Dick is working for himself and is Nightwing.
I'd have Dick recruit Tiger first and the two then start to build back up a new Spyral team. This team's main focus would be monitoring other DCU organizations and spy agencies. I'd move the team to Gotham or NYC because those are two cities where there are actually a lot of resources and characters to use. Bludhaven will always be a waste of time no matter how you dress it up. It's a waste of time because there is nothing in it that people care about and has no real value. So spending more time trying to "fix" it leads to nothing. Then I'd just have Nightwing and Tiger operate out of a small base/apartment for now and have them recruit an odd collection of characters and other heroes. Maybe have them recruit other members from other organizations. Not sure, but there is a lot of value in these oddball teams like a Guardians of the Galaxy, Suicide Squad, and Doom Patrol. Maybe recruit one member from each niche like magic, aliens, and tech. You can get real creative with it.
Dick can have his own team that operates a bit like the X-Force or Outsiders but more focused on spy and weird parts of the hero business. Basically a covert team that as Nightwing he can mold the way he wants. I think there is real value there. Spyral has the chance to be his and his alone which is really important for the character going forward and can add real value beyond just the comics if done well. He isn't splitting leadership of the Titans with Robin, and obviously he will never be allowed on the JL, but this can be his own team built around him.
[QUOTE=AmiMizuno;5274038]I see your point. While I do like Babs and Kori. I do think we should have another love interest for a while. Just not right now. Let Dick be single for a while. So you think Helena is a good choice? I think one of the reasons people don't want that is she is technically Helena Wayne his sisters. I mean yes and no since she is from another earth. Also aren’t there like a few ways Helena doesn’t even have to be a Wayne. I know they did it a few times
Yea Statfire’s hair isn’t fair just an artist choice when she uses her powers to make it look that way. But I get it she looks too not human. All I’m using a good writer can make anything work. But I do think maybe we should just have him be single. If people want Babs or Dick maybe elsewhere comic series is for the best.[/QUOTE]
Helena doesn't work anymore. She got ruined with Seeley's Nghtwing book. He had the two sleep together during the awful Shawn drama when they were broken up. Then Helena got angry and kicked Dick in the balls or something and that was the last time Dick and Helena interacted I believe. Had that never happened then maybe I'd be interested in exploring the two again, but now it doesn't work. And I think Helena Bertinelli has differentiated herself enough by now to never be confused with Helena Wayne. So I don't think there is any issue there.
[QUOTE=Frontier;5274171]
Starfire is never going to be stuck in space, though. She's a cosmic character but she's generally depicted as being on Earth where the action happens.[/quote]
She just spent the last few years in space. She should be on a space JL team, but DC doesn't really do cosmic stories well. DC only really does Green Lantern stories for the cosmic ones and she isn't a GL so she doesn't really fit into what they want. Even that JL Odyssey book eventually just started to revolve around the GL Jessica Cruz. If DC was more like Marvel and had a bigger variety of cosmic outlets then she would fit in much better in that setting I think.
[QUOTE=Frontier;5274171]Personally I want Dick to be part of both the Batman and Titans franchises.
I just miss the old Helena.[/quote]
If you could only pick one for Dick to be involved with in the comics going forward would you pick the Titans or the Batman franchise? I'd always pick Batman.
I'd be fine with them having Helena be white again and had her vigilante history back, but I don't think DC is ever going to do that. If they were going to change her back then they would have done it for the BoP movie where Helena in that looked a lot more like her pre-New 52 self.
I don't think batman would even allow robin in the field unless he got good with tech.
Badou I agree 100% man, Nightwing: agent of spyral is the way to go for nightwing. It gives him both direction and a niche.
Nightwing would be the face of DC's espionage world just like wonder woman is for fantasy, superman for syfi and batman is for street vigilante.
Nightwing globetrotting around the dcu on covert missions solo and with his own supporting cast. Awesome!
Take the best elements from grayson and bring them in to nightwing. Nightwing working to keep the other spy organizations out of the hero community's business. Take on the thing that go on behind the scenes like global meta human and weapons trafficking.
Badou what you just described was basically YJ Nightwing and the Team! But instead of working for the JL and being made up of sidekicks it nightwing's own spyral organization and other agents/heroes.
Basically just bring Grayson into nightwing copy YJ Nightwing. Nightwing = Nick fury meets captain America love it.
Why does he have to work with an organization? Why not him make him own team? Another section of Titans ? I guess I’m thinking they just have him get rid of the Nightwing suit and everything Titans also.
The only other thing is to think what should Dick built on his own. I mean Dc is once again just wanting him not to shine. I feel they are trying to ruin him over and over. In many ways with Vic and Babs. They could have increased him talent
[QUOTE=Badou;5277648]Helena doesn't work anymore. She got ruined with Seeley's Nghtwing book. He had the two sleep together during the awful Shawn drama when they were broken up. Then Helena got angry and kicked Dick in the balls or something and that was the last time Dick and Helena interacted I believe. Had that never happened then maybe I'd be interested in exploring the two again, but now it doesn't work. And I think Helena Bertinelli has differentiated herself enough by now to never be confused with Helena Wayne. So I don't think there is any issue there.[/QUOTE]
I don't think Helena's ruined although I would like to see that not get brought up again.
[QUOTE]She just spent the last few years in space. She should be on a space JL team, but DC doesn't really do cosmic stories well. DC only really does Green Lantern stories for the cosmic ones and she isn't a GL so she doesn't really fit into what they want. Even that JL Odyssey book eventually just started to revolve around the GL Jessica Cruz. If DC was more like Marvel and had a bigger variety of cosmic outlets then she would fit in much better in that setting I think.[/QUOTE]
She has as much chance of staying in space as Cyborg did. Her whole thing is being a space princess who finds a home on Earth.
[QUOTE]If you could only pick one for Dick to be involved with in the comics going forward would you pick the Titans or the Batman franchise? I'd always pick Batman.
I'd be fine with them having Helena be white again and had her vigilante history back, but I don't think DC is ever going to do that. If they were going to change her back then they would have done it for the BoP movie where Helena in that looked a lot more like her pre-New 52 self.[/QUOTE]
I'd choose both :).
Maybe they could just take out Spyral and try to emphasize more of the Post-Crisis traits, but I doubt race-bending her back would be met well.
This is true but even in the original comics she has returned home and other planets. So it should be used of her going to space. Especially with helping Planets who are enslaved
[QUOTE=Frontier;5273110]I'm ready for a DickFire resurgence :).[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Ascended;5273142]I'm definitely not against the idea, between Kori and Babs I've always been team Kori. Babs and Dick are just....bad for each other, their relationship usually makes him end up looking irresponsible and/or immature and her looking like a control freak with commitment issues.
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Always knew you two had good taste. :p
[QUOTE=Ascended;5274039]Anything that gets Dick out of that Gotham style street level mold would be refreshing at this point. And I don't disagree; it's been a long time since Dick and Kori were in a relationship and it'd be nice to see a modern spin on that. I will never *not* support that idea, if the choice is between Kori and Babs....or Huntress, Tarantula, or any of the forgettable women who have dated Dick Grayson for a few issues.
But I think what would be even *more* refreshing is a legitimate effort to develop and explore new love interests for all three characters, something more than just some original, throwaway character that'll never last beyond the writer's time on the comic. Y'all know how I am about Power Girl and Nightwing, but in all seriousness a concerted, *real* effort to move everyone's love life forward, instead of recycling stories we've been reading for decades, would be something *truly* novel and refreshing.[/QUOTE]
I like Babs too despite my slight preference for DickFire, and you know I'm your brother in PowerWing, but I just want Dick's love life to take a two year rest. Just twenty four issues. Rebuild him as more than DC's Helen of Troy. Please.
After the whole Ric thing, Duck probably shouldn’t be doing the whole relationship thing for a good while anyway.
So do you guys think nightwing should join the jsa? I don't see pg joining the titans and that will focus on the younger new heroes. So nightwing won't have a team book that he is a main focus of.
No. There's plenty of Infinity Inc and other legacy characters (Stargirl, Jakeem Thunder), the Justice Society can use.