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They need to build up the new villain. So they are having her beat up Ric to show how badass she is. Seems pretty standard-fare for how things go for the character, haha.
But no surprise they are dragging this out until the Joker War crossover. Dick won't "officially" be back until closer to the climax of that event I imagine. No sense in blowing the one "big" reveal they have early in the crossover.
To be fair beating up Ric is probably the easiest way to get people to root for a villain right now.
[QUOTE=Rakiduam;4831393]I have very little hope for Dick while the current editors remains. For the whole DC to be honest, they really have no idea what to do with their characters.[/QUOTE]
Oh it's not all bad. Definitely better than it was back in 2010, right? Sure, there's plenty of crap on the shelf, but that's always been the case. And yes, right now Nightwing is at an all time low. Are these the worst sales and rankings he's ever had? They might be. Management itself seems to be against him. Dark days indeed, for our boy. But there's good stuff coming out of DC right now too. I mean, Superman Smashes the Klan is easily worth all the crap books I'm not buying anyway. That thing is a gem. Required reading for anyone who wants to be able to recognize a good story. Morrison's Green Lantern is a real trip. There's DC books worth reading.
But generally speaking, no I don't think DC does know what to do with their roster. Or more accurately, I don't think they know what to do with their industry. More and more it seems like we're slowly approaching a turning point, and the people in charge (not just at DC, but all the publishers) have yet to find a successful strategy to deal with it.
[QUOTE=WonderNight;4831435]When dick gets back he should change his name from nightwing to The Bat Fodder. I'm starting to hate dick being anywhere near Gotham.[/QUOTE]
I just read [I]DC's Crimes of Passion #1[/I], and in it Dick gets taken out by a kid with a metal pipe. And I'm just sad. The Dick/Babs-centric story itself felt like it wasted a lot of pages, too.
Best one, by far, was definitely Green Arrow & Black Canary's story.
[QUOTE=Godlike13;4831388]If they are just gonna lazily put him back in costume still under Jurgan’s then better to just kill him. Just pull the trigger, rather then continue the slow death by mediocrity under boring creators no one is clearly interested in anymore.
BTW It’s just more Dick bait. Still Ric in May. Still their go to jobber too it seems. Guess Ric couldn’t escape that fate either.
[url]https://screenrant.com/nightwing-joker-new-girlfriend-punchline-dc-comic/[/url]
[I]Nightwing #72
Written by Dan Jurgens
Art by Ronan Cliquet
Cover by Travis Moore
Variant cover by Alan Quah
Dick Grayson has learned the truth: that “fixing” his identity lies with none other than Barbara Gordon. He must go to Gotham to find Batgirl[/QUOTE]
The memory bullet she extracted from his nipple in the Dark Web story arc?
I doubt that DC's going to retire Dick with 5G with a time skip. That means that DC's going to be retiring all heroes from around Dick's age upwards which would include Luke who is still fit enough to do hero work so why would Dick retire?
That's an awful lot of replacements. The Batfamily has at least enough younger heroes to step in as replacements
Damian and Tim can cover Dick and Jason's mantle's. Duke becomes Batwing. Steph is Batgirl and Cass is Batwoman but what about other heroes who don't come from large franchises?
Even if we are making the argument that DC's not invested in Dick right now then why go to the effort of even finding a replacement when they can just let him and his title keep chugging along. Even with the awful Ric that bled readers Nightwing is still a better seller than some.
I doubt a replacement taking over Nightwing would do so well even if it's Damian in the position it'll still tank because the set up is wrong and fans are upset.
I don't see Dick retiring and in the unlikely event that he does then he shouldn't be replaced.
[QUOTE=Godlike13;4831388]If they are just gonna lazily put him back in costume still under Jurgan’s then better to just kill him. Just pull the trigger, rather then continue the slow death by mediocrity under boring creators no one is clearly interested in anymore.
BTW It’s just more Dick bait. Still Ric in May. Still their go to jobber too it seems. Guess Ric couldn’t escape that fate either.
[url]https://screenrant.com/nightwing-joker-new-girlfriend-punchline-dc-comic/[/url]
[I]Nightwing #72
Written by Dan Jurgens
Art by Ronan Cliquet
Cover by Travis Moore
Variant cover by Alan Quah
Dick Grayson has learned the truth: that “fixing” his identity lies with none other than Barbara Gordon. He must go to Gotham to find Batgirl—and runs into The Joker’s new henchperson, Punchline. Unlike Harley Quinn, Punchline’s deadpan black humor matches the deadly knives she uses on her victims...and for her next joke, Ric Grayson is the punchline.
May 5th, 2020.[/I]
No DC. At this point we’re the punchline...[/QUOTE]
Jesus what the heck is wrong with DC?
[QUOTE=Godlike13;4831388]If they are just gonna lazily put him back in costume still under Jurgan’s then better to just kill him. Just pull the trigger, rather then continue the slow death by mediocrity under boring creators no one is clearly interested in anymore.
BTW It’s just more Dick bait. Still Ric in May. Still their go to jobber too it seems. Guess Ric couldn’t escape that fate either.
[url]https://screenrant.com/nightwing-joker-new-girlfriend-punchline-dc-comic/[/url]
[I]Nightwing #72
Written by Dan Jurgens
Art by Ronan Cliquet
Cover by Travis Moore
Variant cover by Alan Quah
Dick Grayson has learned the truth: that “fixing” his identity lies with none other than Barbara Gordon. He must go to Gotham to find Batgirl—and runs into The Joker’s new henchperson, Punchline. Unlike Harley Quinn, Punchline’s deadpan black humor matches the deadly knives she uses on her victims...and for her next joke, Ric Grayson is the punchline.
May 5th, 2020.[/I]
No DC. At this point we’re the punchline...[/QUOTE]
It says dick Grayson
Remember, he got his memories back last month. He just lacks the emotional attachment to them as he can't tell them from his fake ones. And that's clearly continued from April's Batgirl issue. Presumably he's starting to realise the truth, and that's why he's happy to let Babs help. She has a perfect memory, if she can somehow train Dick to function the same way, it would cure him. Also, it looks like "Ric"'s supporting cast has been eliminated.
The annual, in which he seems to be fully restored, must be set after the ongoing.
We are aware Dick is coming back. But it’s clearly being stretched still.
[QUOTE=Rac7d*;4831933]It says dick Grayson[/QUOTE]
It’s bait, read it till the end.
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[url]https://www.bleedingcool.com/2020/02/13/marc-guggenheim-steve-pugh-whats-normal-titans-100-page-giant-1/[/url]
I assume it’s Tim again, lol.
[QUOTE=Fergus;4831890]I doubt that DC's going to retire Dick with 5G with a time skip. That means that DC's going to be retiring all heroes from around Dick's age upwards which would include Luke who is still fit enough to do hero work so why would Dick retire?[/QUOTE]
The (non-final) version of the 60-year timeline shown at a con had the characters largely debuting in [i]publication[/i] order - not precisely, in that Superman, Batman and closely related characters like Dick debut alongside the rest of the Silver Age JLA (except Wonder Woman); but as a general rule - rather than characters who are currently the same age ending up "still the same age as each other, only older".
Luke didn't debut until the 2010s, so if he was aged at all, it would only be by a few years to his late-20s/early-30s (a similar age to Bruce's "classic" age. Tim was also going to be a similar sort of age). By comparison, Dick was due to get enough time dumped on him to make him late-40s or early-50s. IIRC, and having been Robin for the better part of a decade before Jason showed up.
Why is Jason on the cover of a Titans book? That is weird.
Seems both new stories are about Raven. The rest are just reprints.
[QUOTE=SanityOrMadness;4832312]The (non-final) version of the 60-year timeline shown at a con had the characters largely debuting in [i]publication[/i] order - not precisely, in that Superman, Batman and closely related characters like Dick debut alongside the rest of the Silver Age JLA (except Wonder Woman); but as a general rule - rather than characters who are currently the same age ending up "still the same age as each other, only older".
Luke didn't debut until the 2010s, so if he was aged at all, it would only be by a few years to his late-20s/early-30s (a similar age to Bruce's "classic" age. Tim was also going to be a similar sort of age). By comparison, Dick was due to get enough time dumped on him to make him late-40s or early-50s. IIRC.[/QUOTE]
That is going to make things awkward for Babs and Duke since they used to date. She is randomly going to be a lot older than him when Dick, Duke and Babs were all supposed to be the same age in the New 52.
But people thinking 5G is going to last for a long time are wrong. It will last a year or so and then DC will reboot things back to being a more normal or classing set up. They aren't going to keep Bruce being old for long, and especially him not as Batman.
[QUOTE=Godlike13;4832302]I assume it’s Tim again, lol.[/QUOTE]It's pretty much the New Teen Titans minus Wally and Cyborg... and for some reason, with Red Hood. It's definitely Dick this time. The Giants are AU though, so this has nothing to do with the Ric story. At least you'll get to read a more classic Dick Grayson.
[QUOTE=Badou;4832328]That is going to make things awkward for Babs and Duke since they used to date. She is randomly going to be a lot older than him when Dick, Duke and Babs were all supposed to be the same age in the New 52. [/quote]
You mean Luke/Batwing, not Duke/Signal, right?
[QUOTE=Badou;4832328]But people thinking 5G is going to last for a long time are wrong. It will last a year or so and then DC will reboot things back to being a more normal or classing set up. They aren't going to keep Bruce being old for long, and especially him not as Batman.[/QUOTE]
Well, yeah, that's the obvious conclusion, and Doomsday Clock even lampshaded it. But it looks like they're doing it in such a way as to make the reversal as hard as possible to pull off without hitting the "F██k It, REBOOT!" button to at least the same extent as the N52 did. It's not an aging ray scenario, they're changing the whole universe to (nearly) negate the sliding timeline, meaning Luke & Barbara won't even remember being the same age - if they dated at all, it'll have been as an older woman/younger man thing. And already-older characters like Jim Gordon and Lucius Fox will probably be straight-up killed off by it all.
Maybe they'll set up an "out" in Death Metal or whatever Generation Zero leads into. If they don't, the end of "5G" is going to be messy.
Yeah, I meant Luke and not Duke. That is who Babs dated. Their names are too similar, lol.
[QUOTE=Digifiend;4832290]In other news...
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[url]https://www.bleedingcool.com/2020/02/13/marc-guggenheim-steve-pugh-whats-normal-titans-100-page-giant-1/[/url][/QUOTE]
This is the live action season 1 roster. Just without Hawk and Dove.
[QUOTE=Fergus;4831890]I doubt that DC's going to retire Dick with 5G with a time skip. That means that DC's going to be retiring all heroes from around Dick's age upwards[/QUOTE]
They could easily have Dick retire early (or die, or go missing) while the rest of his peers continue on.
As for the 5G timeline....supposedly we're getting books set in different eras, so even if characters have died or retired in the modern day, there'll still be titles with them in their prime, too. Some rumors say Black Label mini's, some rumors say multiple titles set within a particular generation, some rumors say the whole line will jump into 5G with both feet. Who knows what we'll get in the end?
And management does change its mind about some things, and change their efforts and methodology. Wasn't that long ago DIdio was bitching about Batman looking old, yet here we are contemplating a sixty-eighty year timeline where Bruce would probably be dead by today. And it's not like Dick was treated like *complete* crap as soon as current management walked into the room. Dick's never been a priority under Didio, and Didio has tried to get rid of him, but it wasn't until the last few years that DC *really* started taking a sh*t on Dick's head. That *could* change again, and if DC is honestly trying to use its history and legacy to its advantage, there's no better example to base it around than the NTT.
I don't expect it. I expect DC to keep treating Dick as poorly as they can. But as they say, when you prepare for the worst, all surprises are pleasant ones.
[QUOTE=legion_quest;4830379]I think Jason has a point to be fair. Ric has spent months telling the family to leave him alone, then he goes to the funeral and acts sanctimonious to people in grief lashing out at someone who, arguably, should have even more grief on show than they do...but instead he's smiling and vaulting and all the rest.
It's trashy writing across the board imo, but I understand why Jason would be angry, and given it IS Jason, of course he's going to lash out. He'd have found a way to do that even if Ric was Dick. Anger is how he copes, or doesnt.[/QUOTE]
Admittedly, this Ric arc has been a disaster from the start, poorly written and poorly integrated with the rest of the books DC is putting out.
That being said Ric, in canon, has a TBI. He has no memory of his family. Besides Alfred and Babs, he has had no positive interactions with his family. Bruce brought him to the cave and showed him his still bloodied suit while the trauma was still fresh.Tim and Jason have been completely absent. Realistically, based on those interactions who would want to be involved in that family? Jason was completely out of line, he never offered to help get Dick back on his feet and is the first person to kick him when he's down.
I mean a lot of it has to do with Tynion viewing the Batboys as one dimensional characters i.e. Jason is the angry one. Dick is the nice one. Tim is the smart one.
[QUOTE=Digifiend;4832290]In other news...
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[url]https://www.bleedingcool.com/2020/02/13/marc-guggenheim-steve-pugh-whats-normal-titans-100-page-giant-1/[/url][/QUOTE]
They really have to shove Jason everywhere. Going to pass on this one too
[QUOTE=Lady Nightwing;4833263]I mean a lot of it has to do with Tynion viewing the Batboys as one dimensional characters i.e. Jason is the angry one. Dick is the nice one. Tim is the smart one.[/QUOTE]Huh? It was King who described them that way, in Heroes in Crisis. And I think it's telling that the family isn't used much in his Batman run.
[QUOTE=Digifiend;4834012]Huh? It was King who described them that way, in Heroes in Crisis.[/QUOTE]
He boxes them too in Eternal
Why is it that Grayson gets no love in the new 52 animated movies? Is it because it was not well written in New 52? A lot of the time he gets his butt handed to him.
[QUOTE=AmiMizuno;4834922]Why is it that Grayson gets no love in the new 52 animated movies? Is it because it was not well written in New 52? A lot of the time he gets his butt handed to him.[/QUOTE]Because his never the lead or the star driving the ship. His role there is jobber a.k.a put over the bad guys so that Batman/Robin or whoever the lead is can win and look good for the big finally.
If those movies were nightwing movie then he'd need to be the one put over.
[QUOTE=AmiMizuno;4834922]Why is it that Grayson gets no love in the new 52 animated movies? Is it because it was not well written in New 52? A lot of the time he gets his butt handed to him.[/QUOTE]
He gets his butt handed to him in the comics too, even in his own solo he struggles massively. So I guess that is consistent, lol.
I mean he constantly got his ass kicked in Abnett's Titans run, gets beaten up in every Batman or JL crossover he gets put in, and pretty much has zero stories outside his own solo that give him any actual focus as a main character where he feels like a major player in the DCU. I mean the only big story he has been in where he was somewhat heavily featured since the New 52 happened was being in that Forever Evil JL event, but he spent that whole event getting beaten up by the Crime Syndicate and being chained to a chair. That is just who Dick's character has been since the New 52.
Robin special creative teams named: [url]https://www.bleedingcool.com/2020/02/14/dc-comics-reveals-full-credits-for-robin-80th-anniversary-100-page-super-spectacular/[/url]
I believe these are Dick's:
Marv Wolfman and Tom Grummett
Chuck Dixon and Scott McDaniel
Devin Grayson and Dan Jurgens
Tom King & Tim Seeley and Mikel Janin
[QUOTE=AmiMizuno;4834922]Why is it that Grayson gets no love in the new 52 animated movies? Is it because it was not well written in New 52? A lot of the time he gets his butt handed to him.[/QUOTE]
I wouldn't say he got no love at all.
I mean, yeah, in some movies he got beat up a lot and [I]Bad Blood[/I] didn't do his Batman justice but his characterization was pretty much always on-point and Judas Contract was peak-Nightwing in my opinion.
So in terms of Dick. How should Dick be written? In terms of fighters where is he? Should he be able to beat Damian? How great should his fighting be?
[QUOTE=AmiMizuno;4835555]So in terms of Dick. How should Dick be written? In terms of fighters where is he? Should he be able to beat Damian? How great should his fighting be?[/QUOTE]
I'm honestly not sure anymore.
As a fan, I'd like to think-- and this is taking all of Dick's history and accumulated battle experience-- that he should, at least, be able to make Slade work for a victory (though Slade would win 6 times out of 10), and at least dominate Damian in a fight. In the latter's case, I'd say Damian's more skilled, but Dick's more experienced. What tips the fight in Dick's favor is he's a grown man-- greater muscle mass & longer reach, which [I]are[/I] relevant attributes in a fight. It's not so much that just because Damian's a kid that he'd lose, but Dick's not supposed to be some mook, either. Once Damian grows up, though, he'd kick Dick's ass so hard he'd start calling himself Ric.
But given all we've seen so far, it's a wonder how Dick has survived as long as he has. A simple breeze could probably break his back.
At this point, I'd be happy if Dick's fighting ability is at least as competent as Jason-- which it isn't, so there goes my mood...
Keeping on the same subject, what sort of fighting style should Dick have?
I'd like to think he'd be the bastard fighter. He'd use his surroundings, and he's not above throwing dirt in your eyes and sucker punch you.
[QUOTE=Digifiend;4835262]Robin special creative teams named: [url]https://www.bleedingcool.com/2020/02/14/dc-comics-reveals-full-credits-for-robin-80th-anniversary-100-page-super-spectacular/[/url]
I believe these are Dick's:
Marv Wolfman and Tom Grummett
Chuck Dixon and Scott McDaniel
Devin Grayson and Dan Jurgens
Tom King & Tim Seeley and Mikel Janin[/QUOTE]
While I may not like a lot of what Dixon is doing nowadays, seeing him and McDaniel on (presumably) Dick Grayson again does rekindle some nostalgia for their run. Hope their reunion story is a good one.
[QUOTE=AmiMizuno;4835555]So in terms of Dick. How should Dick be written? In terms of fighters where is he? Should he be able to beat Damian? How great should his fighting be?[/QUOTE]
Certainly below the likes of Cass, Shiva, Richard Dragon (when DC remembers he exists) and Black Canary. Likely Batman as well, but just beneath him.
I can see Dick taking most other members of the Bat family, certainly Damian. Perhaps it's just the way I've always perceived the brat (and most braggarts in general), but his bark far outreaches his bite. I would argue Dick's fighting ability is respectable, primarily because his acrobatic skill and flexibility make him particularly difficult to connect hits on when he's on his game.
Also, never underestimate his ability to shit talk his foes into losing a bit of focus.
[QUOTE=Robanker;4835869]Certainly below the likes of Cass, Shiva, Richard Dragon (when DC remembers he exists) and Black Canary. Likely Batman as well, but just beneath him.[/QUOTE]Imo Dick and Jason should be roughly on the same level as Bruce.
I would put him actually above Canary, she doesn't really has that many impressive showings as martial artist imo, especially in the current continuity.
[QUOTE=xiyon;4835818]As a fan, I'd like to think-- and this is taking all of Dick's history and accumulated battle experience-- that he should, at least, be able to make Slade work for a victory (though Slade would win 6 times out of 10), [/QUOTE]I think Slade is not good for comparison since he is to inconsistently written.
If he is written on the top end of the spectrum the only Batfamily member that should have chance is Azrael (when he is also written at the top end of his spectrum).
[QUOTE=Robanker;4835869]Certainly below the likes of Cass, Shiva, Richard Dragon (when DC remembers he exists) and Black Canary. Likely Batman as well, but just beneath him. [/QUOTE]
Bit iffy on Canary (without her powers), but agreed with Cass & Shiva. Cass' ability is a borderline-superpower, imho, and, while maybe not possessing as much mass, depending on the portrayal, she at least has much longer reach than Damian, and a more developed musculature given her age. She'd basically read every move you make and counter it before it hits her. And that's before her skill comes into play.
I'd think, in a straight fist fight, nobody in the Batfam could consistently beat Cass. Bruce might if he managed to land a haymaker (in my head, given how Bruce is typically portrayed, he's the one and only heavy-weight boxer in their group), but I'd think Cass would easily steer clear of any punch he throws. She might fracture a wrist pounding on Bruce for too long, though. [SIZE=1]Dude looks built like a tank...[/SIZE]
But if they were allowed their tools, Batman would beat all of them.
Dick's not quite the clear top even after Cass and Bruce, but he should at least be able to hold his own and win most fights unless your name is Jason. [I]Then[/I] things even out a bit.
[QUOTE=Robanker;4835869]Also, never underestimate his ability to shit talk his foes into losing a bit of focus.[/QUOTE]
Now that you've mentioned it, I'm reminded of the similarities between Spidey and Nightwing, but Spidey's treated with a lot more respect by the writers. Dick just gets jobbed.
[QUOTE=AmiMizuno;4835555]So in terms of Dick. How should Dick be written? In terms of fighters where is he? Should he be able to beat Damian? How great should his fighting be?[/QUOTE]
Damian's never been able to beat Dick.
Cass is at the top, after that, Dick and Bruce, however, after them, the power level fluctuates. Sometimes Damian can beat Jason and Tim, though more often he can't. Sometimes Babs is equal to Jason and Dick, sometimes they aren't.
Steph is consistently at the lower rung though, especially since she's even newer since New 52.
The fun part about Dick is because most of his story is canon, I can attribute a lot of his wins and loses to his development
For example, Post Crisis Dick in the 90s have no chance against Bruce, Shiva and was beaten by Azrael
However, Post New 52 Dick can beat Bruce, go toe to toe with Shiva for a while, defeated David Cain, and fight on equal footing with Azrael.
So if I draw a straight timeline I can say that he did develop, but of course, there's also the usual inconsistencies. Him, and all the other characters.
I’m curious with his fighting skills be better than most of the batfam. This is a big issue sometimes they write him has one of the high tier other times it’s like what is going on. Howeve, with his acrobatic skills that should always be able to help him get the upper hand.
In terms of his best stories what are they?
[QUOTE=AmiMizuno;4836160]I’m curious with his fighting skills be better than most of the batfam. This is a big issue sometimes they write him has one of the high tier other times it’s like what is going on. Howeve, with his acrobatic skills that should always be able to help him get the upper hand.
In terms of his best stories what are they?[/QUOTE]
A lot of those would be in the New Teen Titans era, along with being Batman and Damian his Robin (barring certain other things from that time period).
I tend to rank Dick somewhere in the top 10 fighters of the DCU, but on the lower end of that spectrum. Shiva and Cass and Dragon (when he exists) are the top 3, Dinah's on the list somewhere too, and I generally rank her only a little below the likes of Shiva and Cass. If we include superhumans then Wonder Woman is right up there too, and we can't discount Slade either. I don't think Bruce is in the top 10 at all; he's good, but not *that* good, and his victories usually come from gadgets and planning more than sheer combat prowess.
Dick's spent most of his life fighting criminals, most of that time dealing with superhuman threats, and even before being Robin was performing aerial stunts most people couldn't dream of, and is generally regarded as the best natural athlete in DC. He doesn't rely on gadgets nearly as much as Bruce does.
Granted, the last few years the comics haven't really reflected this level of skill. But given the pile of sh*t the last several years have been I'm willing to write off nearly everything as out of continuity due to DC's stupidity. The way Dick has been handled by the company shouldn't *count* when figuring out who Dick is or what he's capable of.
But it really pisses me off when this guy, who's been in the game longer than most Leaguers and is among the most experienced heroes on earth, gets treated like a idiot sidekick still figuring himself out.
Martial arts skills have become dumb and lazy. Im not sure when being good at karate chops became a superpower, but thats pretty much what it is with characters like Cass and Shiva. It defeats the entire purpose of human superheroes, who are suppose to being able to do what they do through work, thought, and determination. If they are not physically stronger then an opponents does that mean they give up, no. Same should go with karate skills. If someone is better at karate, just don't take them on in a one on one karate fight. Martial arts prowess is is so overrated when it comes to fighting ability in superhero situations its silly. Shiva especially is the most overate villain in all of DC. Deathstroke is scary cause he's superhuman not just physically but mentally, and not too mention usually armed from top to bottom. I hate when Bat characters beat him in strait hand to hand fights. They shouldn't be able to, that should be an incredibly hard thing to do for any Bat character. And when they do, it should be a big deal done through a culmination of impressive means. With Shiva just hit her with a stun gun.
Dick should be on higher end of the spectrum when it comes to human fighters not because of kung fu skills but because of his vast years of training, history, and experience. He should be good at what he's doing by now, otherwise how has he survived as long as he has. Never the less because DC offers him zero character protection he is the go to for lazy writers to use as a quick way to try and show off so and so who don't have the years of history and work showing what they are capable of. He is DC's most comfortable baseline benchmark.