[QUOTE=Godlike13;5281669]Ok, very cool. Im excited. I almost forgot what this felt like when it comes to Nightwing.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=Godlike13;5281669]Ok, very cool. Im excited. I almost forgot what this felt like when it comes to Nightwing.[/QUOTE]
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Taylor should be a good fit for Nightwing, even given the fact that he's killed him in dumb ways a few times :).
[QUOTE=Drako;5281713]They're calling her Batgirl in the interview, but who knows.[/QUOTE]
I assume this will be the book that showcases her as Batgirl while other books use her as Oracle.
I'm curious if they're together as lovers or just as crime-fighting partners. Seems they're assuming they're together romantically.
[QUOTE=Drako;5281615]He is staying long term.[/QUOTE]Up to issue 100, perhaps? That would be 23 issues, which is just under two years on a monthly schedule.
Wow! Really cool news. Love the creative team. This is exciting. Taylor writing Nightwing in the main reality could be something really special.
So, in 2021, we have:
Future State Nightwing,
Future State Titans (To be determined if is him or not),
Nightwing with Tom Taylor,
Titans Academy,
Season 3 of Titans,
Major Player in Gotham Knights.
Also, Two of his villains, Talon and Shrike, are part of the Suicide Squad.
I know some of you don't like the Titans series or the premise of the Titans book, but 2021 is looking good for him.
This is fantastic news.
Count me in.
Can't believe its been so long since I've been excited for Nightwing.
[QUOTE=Drako;5281876]So, in 2021, we have:
Future State Nightwing,
Future State Titans (To be determined if is him or not),
Nightwing with Tom Taylor,
Titans Academy,
Season 3 of Titans,
Major Player in Gotham Knights.
Also, Two of his villains, Talon and Shrike, are part of the Suicide Squad.
I know some of you don't like the Titans series or the premise of the Titans book, but 2021 is looking good for him.[/QUOTE]
Yeah the turn around has been pretty strong. Also S4 of Young Justice.
I would honestly have pegged Taylor as too big for Nightwing at this point - and that's some very pretty art. I'd say this is as good a team, in terms of profile, as could have been expected -the plot itself doesn't sound at all interesting (Bludhaven, Zucco, Batgirl), but we'll see how it ends up in execution.
Plus, although I'm not really a fan of pairing as such, "Dick and Barbara are together, they're a team, and it's working" is infinitely better than the slightly testy will-they-won-t-they they've been for a long, long time....
Also, did we all see this?
[url]https://twitter.com/DCComics/status/1339601287969587205[/url]
That looks like q quite acceptable Titans team, but also doesn't have any of the Academy kids involved. So either Teen Titans Academy is going to be a little different than some were expecting, or there's going to be another book too?
I’m happy that Babs and Dick will be together and what his idea. I do wonder if this will last. I just wanted Dick to be single for a bit.
[QUOTE=Vordan;5281911]Yeah the turn around has been pretty strong. Also S4 of Young Justice.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, i forgot YJ. Also, we may get the Snyder Black Label book too.
[QUOTE=Claude;5282047]I would honestly have pegged Taylor as too big for Nightwing at this point - and that's some very pretty art. I'd say this is as good a team, in terms of profile, as could have been expected -the plot itself doesn't sound at all interesting (Bludhaven, Zucco, Batgirl), but we'll see how it ends up in execution.
Plus, although I'm not really a fan of pairing as such, "Dick and Barbara are together, they're a team, and it's working" is infinitely better than the slightly testy will-they-won-t-they they've been for a long, long time....
Also, did we all see this?
[url]https://twitter.com/DCComics/status/1339601287969587205[/url]
That looks like q quite acceptable Titans team, but also doesn't have any of the Academy kids involved. So either Teen Titans Academy is going to be a little different than some were expecting, or there's going to be another book too?[/QUOTE]
Yeah, but are they just crime-fighting partners or are they also lovers? That's what I want explicit confirmation on.
Nightwing: Injustice Creative Team Charts a New Direction for Dick Grayson in 2021
[url]https://www.ign.com/articles/nightwing-new-creative-team-injustice-suicide-squad-batgirl-dc[/url]
[QUOTE]Taylor also confirmed the Batgirl in question is Barbara Gordon. Barbara is going through changes of her own in the aftermath of Joker War, and the series will feature her both as Batgirl and Oracle.
"I’ve always loved their relationship," said Taylor. "There aren’t many characters who know each other so well. They’ve been through so much together, respect each other, and have always been there to support one another. They’re not Batman and Robin. There’s no side-kick here. They’re equals in every way and Babs will be a big part of our story, as Batgirl and as Oracle. Bruno and I have told some huge stories with giant casts between Injustice, Star Wars and Suicide Squad, and we’re very excited to focus on a smaller cast and imbue this book with as much heart and hope as we can."[/QUOTE]
I forgot Taylor actually worked in a circus as a juggler and fire eater. Feeling way more hopeful that this will finally be the Taylor comic I click with.
[QUOTE=Frontier;5282196]Yeah, but are they just crime-fighting partners or are they also lovers? That's what I want explicit confirmation on.[/QUOTE]
Did you read the interview?
[QUOTE=Drako;5282317]Nightwing: Injustice Creative Team Charts a New Direction for Dick Grayson in 2021
[url]https://www.ign.com/articles/nightwing-new-creative-team-injustice-suicide-squad-batgirl-dc[/url][/QUOTE]
Looks like he'll be handling Babs well at least :).
Come to think of it, I can only remember him writing her in Injustice where she actually survived.
[QUOTE=Vordan;5282355]I forgot Taylor actually worked in a circus as a juggler and fire eater. Feeling way more hopeful that this will finally be the Taylor comic I click with.[/QUOTE]
That's so random, but fitting :p.
[QUOTE=Rac7d*;5282377]Did you read the interview?[/QUOTE]
Yeah, but it doesn't specify if they're dating.
[QUOTE]Taylor also confirmed the Batgirl in question is Barbara Gordon. Barbara is going through changes of her own in the aftermath of Joker War, and the series will feature her both as Batgirl and Oracle.[/QUOTE]
So,no new direction at all then. Meh, at least is not Jurgens and Taylor can't kill Dick with a rock this time around....hopefully.
[QUOTE=Drako;5282142]Yeah, i forgot YJ. Also, we may get the Snyder Black Label book too.[/QUOTE]
Would be great if it were announced in 2021 too.
[QUOTE=Drako;5282317]Nightwing: Injustice Creative Team Charts a New Direction for Dick Grayson in 2021
[url]https://www.ign.com/articles/nightwing-new-creative-team-injustice-suicide-squad-batgirl-dc[/url][/QUOTE]
Hmmm... While I'm looking forward to the shift in direction the ideas that are being presented right now aren't anything new (except for the mutt) and not even recent. His run will very much depend on how he portrays DickBabs and what he does to make Blüdhaven feel unique.
I'm okay with Zucco, Barbara, and Bludhaven because I hold a relaunch should start with something familiar before branching out or subvert things, kinda like the same feeling I get when The Court of Owls Batman started with Batman in Gotham fighting Arkham inmates, or Tynion's Bat-family team up including Tim, Cass, and Steph.
I also... since I'm new and I haven't read Zucco except for the origin, kinda glad if they continue what Higgins was setting up and canceled.
Also, Taylor's too big for Nightwing thing is the old guard's pov. They just had their way for too long. Dick Grayson [I]is[/I] big. NTT was big, Dick's canceled wedding with Kori was going to be big, DickBats was big, big name writers wanted to write him, big-name writers did write him, they've just always been told no, and now no one's stopping them.
Taylor writing Nightwing and Snyder-Tynion-Williamson writing Titans one shot, I hope the glass ceiling is broken, at least for the time being.
The boy is even treding.
[QUOTE=Tom Taylor]Thanks for the huge response to our Nightwing announcement. Nightwing is currently trending in the US.
Ping: @drinkpinkink.[/QUOTE]
[IMG]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Epd2I9PUwAEL9PM?format=jpg&name=900x900[/IMG]
[QUOTE=Drako;5282485]The boy is even treding.
[IMG]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Epd2I9PUwAEL9PM?format=jpg&name=900x900[/IMG][/QUOTE]
Yes the world is showing him love
and not for his butt this time... no... wait... I think he got Trending when he debuted in Titans too...
Dick might not be trending because of his butt for once, but thanks to Nicola Scott his bum has hijacked @museumbums on Twitter.
It's great to see so much hype surrounding the new creative team. I wonder how much more it would have been, had they gone with a #1 or legacy numbering.
Hold up! Nightwing is treated an A-Lister. DC has changed. They DIDN'T renew his series. The series continuous to #78. They are not relying on Issue #1 hype. Now, that's confidence.
Dick Grayson having a big part in Batman and Titans books while still having his own solo. Hype train!
[QUOTE=Drako;5282485]The boy is even treding.
[IMG]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Epd2I9PUwAEL9PM?format=jpg&name=900x900[/IMG][/QUOTE]
Off-topic, but I'm happy to see Sir Ian vaccinated.
Happy Nightwing is trending
It just sucks the pitch sounds so fucking generic. I feel like every writer comes on and says the same thing. Saying they are going to make Dick "A-List" but then nothing happens and the character gets dragged into whatever awful Batman event is going on constantly. It's an interesting creative team, but man, the pitch so far and that IGN interview just don't leave me inspired at all. Focusing again on Bludhaven will fail like always, and so far it doesn't seem like they will do any globetrotting. Just more Daredevil or Spider-man lite stuff.
[QUOTE=Badou;5282673]It just sucks the pitch sounds so fucking generic. I feel like every writer comes on and says the same thing. Saying they are going to make Dick "A-List" but then nothing happens and the character gets dragged into whatever awful Batman event is going on constantly. It's an interesting creative team, but man, the pitch so far and that IGN interview just don't leave me inspired at all. Focusing again on Bludhaven will fail like always, and so far it doesn't seem like they will do any globetrotting. [B]Just more Daredevil or Spider-man lite stuff.[/B][/QUOTE]
Although when Taylor did Spider-Man, it was a story about an ancient orange-skinned civilization that existed under New York and was ruled by a tyrant. I'm not sure his instincts necessarily go to "street level", even if he is wrapping himself in the trappings of Chuck Dixon for launch.
Hot damn.
So, I just gotta #humblebrag for a second here (apologies and bear with me). I've been saying for years that Dick Grayson is a criminally undervalued IP at DC (which we've all said) and I've listed a bunch of business-y reasons to support this (which isn't as common). And the last few months, I've been saying that DC would be crazy stupid foolish to continue ignoring him, given their shift in goals and increased efforts at market synergy. And I said back in August that it'd probably take a little while before we heard anything definitive about Dick's future in the new DC regime and it'd take 6-12 months for their plans (whatever they were) to reach the shelf.
Today, we found out what DC is gonna do and for once they seem to agree with me and my analysis. It seems a rare thing, I'm usually mind-boggled at their choices from both a creative and business perspective.
But today it feels *so good* to be right. :D See? This is what we get when DC thinks the same way I do; high value, quality creative teams on characters who will benefit from them! :p
Taylor seems like a good choice and a higher profile creator than DC has allowed to be on Nightwing in the past. Whether his run is amazing or not, just the fact that he's on the book is a positive sign that DC is taking Nightwing more seriously. I haven't read a ton of his work but I've liked what I've seen and feel like he should be a good fit. I mean, I expected better than Jurgens and Lobdell but I didn't expect the guy who wrote two of DC's most successful Elseworlds in Injustice and DCeased.
I could do with a change of scenery and leave Bludhaven behind (at least for a little bit) and Babs being around makes me nervous that the Death Metal marriage might stick. But our guy is trending and has one of DC's better writers, and the guy is sticking around for more than six issues??? Not to mention a bevy of appearances in other books, video games, and shows this year?????
Ladies and gentlemen, we *may* have finally reached the light at the end of the tunnel!
[QUOTE=Claude;5282734]Although when Taylor did Spider-Man, it was a story about an ancient orange-skinned civilization that existed under New York and was ruled by a tyrant. I'm not sure his instincts necessarily go to "street level", even if he is wrapping himself in the trappings of Chuck Dixon for launch.[/QUOTE]
The pitch sounds so uninspired that I'm expecting Blockbuster or the Owls to show up next, haha.
I do think this is an interesting creative team and that cover is absolutely amazing, maybe one of the best Nightwing covers ever, and I love that they got rid of the Batman inspired logo, but it just sucks that so far everything they've said about their run saps any interest I have in the title. I guess at least when Bludhaven fails again I can add more creators to my list who wasted their time trying to write stories in it, lol.
[QUOTE=Ascended;5282742]Hot damn.
So, I just gotta #humblebrag for a second here (apologies and bear with me). I've been saying for years that Dick Grayson is a criminally undervalued IP at DC (which we've all said) and I've listed a bunch of business-y reasons to support this (which isn't as common). And the last few months, I've been saying that DC would be crazy stupid foolish to continue ignoring him, given their shift in goals and increased efforts at market synergy. And I said back in August that it'd probably take a little while before we heard anything definitive about Dick's future in the new DC regime and it'd take 6-12 months for their plans (whatever they were) to reach the shelf.
Today, we found out what DC is gonna do and for once they seem to agree with me and my analysis. It seems a rare thing, I'm usually mind-boggled at their choices from both a creative and business perspective.
But today it feels *so good* to be right. :D See? This is what we get when DC thinks the same way I do; high value, quality creative teams on characters who will benefit from them! :p
Taylor seems like a good choice and a higher profile creator than DC has allowed to be on Nightwing in the past. Whether his run is amazing or not, just the fact that he's on the book is a positive sign that DC is taking Nightwing more seriously. I haven't read a ton of his work but I've liked what I've seen and feel like he should be a good fit. I mean, I expected better than Jurgens and Lobdell but I didn't expect the guy who wrote two of DC's most successful Elseworlds in Injustice and DCeased.
I could do with a change of scenery and leave Bludhaven behind (at least for a little bit) and Babs being around makes me nervous that the Death Metal marriage might stick. But our guy is trending and has one of DC's better writers, and the guy is sticking around for more than six issues??? Not to mention a bevy of appearances in other books, video games, and shows this year?????
Ladies and gentlemen, we *may* have finally reached the light at the end of the tunnel![/QUOTE]
The only way the marriage sticks around is if it's as "symbolic" as Bruce and Selina's marriage or they immediately went to file a proper marriage license, but I doubt that's happening.
I am slowly loving DC again. We got DC's new golden boy writing Nightwing. I expected that he will write Superman, Black Canary, Red Hood, etc. Those fanbases have been shouting for it a long time. Nightwing deserves his own city with Grayson series writing quality. It's great we have Taylor while in his prime like when we had King before his fall in Batman Rebirth.
Man, high school me would be so pumped. I really wanted him on Nightwing for a while after reading Injustice: Year One (despite his demise there lol.) Still pretty cool. The most I've been excited for an oncoming Nightwing writer since the start of Rebirth.
[QUOTE=Ascended;5282742]Hot damn.
So, I just gotta #humblebrag for a second here (apologies and bear with me). I've been saying for years that Dick Grayson is a criminally undervalued IP at DC (which we've all said) and I've listed a bunch of business-y reasons to support this (which isn't as common). And the last few months, I've been saying that DC would be crazy stupid foolish to continue ignoring him, given their shift in goals and increased efforts at market synergy. And I said back in August that it'd probably take a little while before we heard anything definitive about Dick's future in the new DC regime and it'd take 6-12 months for their plans (whatever they were) to reach the shelf.
Today, we found out what DC is gonna do and for once they seem to agree with me and my analysis. It seems a rare thing, I'm usually mind-boggled at their choices from both a creative and business perspective.
But today it feels *so good* to be right. :D See? This is what we get when DC thinks the same way I do; high value, quality creative teams on characters who will benefit from them! :p
Taylor seems like a good choice and a higher profile creator than DC has allowed to be on Nightwing in the past. Whether his run is amazing or not, just the fact that he's on the book is a positive sign that DC is taking Nightwing more seriously. I haven't read a ton of his work but I've liked what I've seen and feel like he should be a good fit. I mean, I expected better than Jurgens and Lobdell but I didn't expect the guy who wrote two of DC's most successful Elseworlds in Injustice and DCeased.
I could do with a change of scenery and leave Bludhaven behind (at least for a little bit) and Babs being around makes me nervous that the Death Metal marriage might stick. But our guy is trending and has one of DC's better writers, and the guy is sticking around for more than six issues??? Not to mention a bevy of appearances in other books, video games, and shows this year?????
Ladies and gentlemen, we *may* have finally reached the light at the end of the tunnel![/QUOTE]
Been with you in saying he's A-List getting sandbagged, and I'm glad they're putting more push behind Nightwing... But I'm cautious with Taylor. I hope to be wrong with him, and Redondo's art is a visual treat. I'm hopeful. I just dread when Taylor finds a way to shoehorn Harley Quinn into the book.
I'm fine with the Barbara relationship being front and center if it's not the focus, but just ignore the fake marriage. Please. I don't even want them married and that feels like a cop-out.
I think Bludhaven, stupid name notwithstanding, can work. It's a holdover from the Dixon run, but that's hist best run so why mess with what worked? I just want Taylor to make it work and build on it. Bring in team-ups. Do something fun, build it into a city that reflects Dick instead of "Gotham's port neighbor that also sucks worse somehow but not in any meaningful wa-- OH MY GOD IS THAT CHEMO WITH THE STEEL CHAIR?!"
But Taylor is a big name based on Injustice and DCeased, so while I dislike those books, this shows DC isn't just treating Dick as a holding pattern at 30-40k readers. That's an investment. That's good news.
That's a top 10 Nightwing cover for sure. I need that thing now.
Maybe the year of Ric grayson was worth it for this creative team, feels like gold was struck here. Especially excited about Batgirl having a big role.
[QUOTE=Robanker;5283021]Been with you in saying he's A-List getting sandbagged, and I'm glad they're putting more push behind Nightwing... [/QUOTE]
Right? Vindication! :p
[QUOTE]But I'm cautious with Taylor.[/QUOTE]
I'm not that familiar with his work, honestly. I read like, two random issues of Injustice Year One and that's about it. But it's not Taylor that thrills me so much as it's the fact that DC put one of their bigger talents on the book. I have liked what little I've seen from Taylor but mostly I'm just happy that DC didn't get bargain bin basement creators.
And I'm fine with Harley showing up. Taylor writes a damn fine Harley, if those random Injustice issues I read are any indication, and I've long thought the two of them would have a interesting dynamic; there's a lot of common experience between them, if you turn your head and squint.
[QUOTE]I think Bludhaven, stupid name notwithstanding, can work.[/QUOTE]
Bludhaven was never the problem, and still isn't. The lack of consistency the entire Nightwing IP has been plagued with is the problem. Now, I'd rather see Dick travel the world (and beyond) instead of working out of a single city. But Bludhaven, for better or worse, *is* Dick's town and I'm perfectly willing to give Taylor a chance to make it really shine.
Hell, right now I figure we fans should be pretty upbeat and happy about this. Maybe Taylor isn't the writer some of us wanted, maybe what we're hearing about the direction isn't what we'd do if we were writing ourselves, but DC has put one of their major talents on the book, seemingly for a long run, and that has been sorely needed. It doesn't make up for all the abuse over the years, DC is gonna have to do more than this if they want to earn the fandom's forgiveness. But I'll be damned if this isn't a really good first step. This looks like genuine investment, and I applaud it.
I'm more than happy to welcome Taylor to the book. I hope he does well and sticks around for a long damn time. Let's be honest, the last time Dick got talent this high profile was when Dixon launched the solo twenty+ years ago.
And if nothing else Taylor is giving us an adorable little three legged puppy, and nobody should ever be upset over getting a dog. :D
[QUOTE=Ascended;5283173]Right? Vindication! :p
I'm not that familiar with his work, honestly. I read like, two random issues of Injustice Year One and that's about it. But it's not Taylor that thrills me so much as it's the fact that DC put one of their bigger talents on the book. I have liked what little I've seen from Taylor but mostly I'm just happy that DC didn't get bargain bin basement creators.
And I'm fine with Harley showing up. Taylor writes a damn fine Harley, if those random Injustice issues I read are any indication, and I've long thought the two of them would have a interesting dynamic; there's a lot of common experience between them, if you turn your head and squint.
Bludhaven was never the problem, and still isn't. The lack of consistency the entire Nightwing IP has been plagued with is the problem. Now, I'd rather see Dick travel the world (and beyond) instead of working out of a single city. But Bludhaven, for better or worse, *is* Dick's town and I'm perfectly willing to give Taylor a chance to make it really shine.
Hell, right now I figure we fans should be pretty upbeat and happy about this. Maybe Taylor isn't the writer some of us wanted, maybe what we're hearing about the direction isn't what we'd do if we were writing ourselves, but DC has put one of their major talents on the book, seemingly for a long run, and that has been sorely needed. It doesn't make up for all the abuse over the years, DC is gonna have to do more than this if they want to earn the fandom's forgiveness. But I'll be damned if this isn't a really good first step. This looks like genuine investment, and I applaud it.
I'm more than happy to welcome Taylor to the book. I hope he does well and sticks around for a long damn time. Let's be honest, the last time Dick got talent this high profile was when Dixon launched the solo twenty+ years ago.
And if nothing else Taylor is giving us an adorable little three legged puppy, and nobody should ever be upset over getting a dog. :D[/QUOTE]
More dogs are always welcome! Hey, I've been shooting for a Brave and the Bold volume with Nightwing as the anchor so you don't have to convince me of a globetrotting team-up Nightwing book.
My problem with Taylor is that he uses his alternate universes as a crutch. Big stuff gets to happen so you ignore he is terrible at voices for a lot of characters. Who cares if Diana sounds weird, TIM DRAKE JUST DIED?! You know what I mean? It gives progression at the expense of, well, characterization. Keep in mind he had Diana simp for Superman in one book and get one-shot by him in another (where Clark himself forgot how to use his other abilities to take out Flash because we needed him off the board). Where Aquaman can get killed by a simple arrow. Where Lex freely admits Batman was smarter than him. I can go on.
He also shills Harley a lot and I just can't stand that character these days, but that's my bias. Harls got to kill everyone with the Joker and have her absolution too, only without the redemption. Still haven't let that go. Not sure I ever will because every time I see her listed as a victim as some sort of scapegoat for her bloodshed, I think "well what do you call all the people she helped kill then?!" She [I]could[/I] be redeemed, but she needs to be walked through the mud like Hal was and like Wally is now. And yet, she was just decoupled from the Joker and stayed away long enough that the Bat family work with her now? Give me a break. She killed people, and I don't just mean that retconned story where she blew up children. I don't really see her and Nightwing ever working together outside of corporate greed trumping story, which of course happens and will continue to. She simped the guy who crippled Barbara Gordon as a prop to get at Jim Gordon. She helped him do it to other people. Dick would never be her friend, even if he was able to forgive her after she sufficiently redeemed herself. And that's not him being an asshole for not letting it go. Nobody is required to entirely absolve others of transgressions done to them in the past. If someone runs over someone you care about, you never actually have to be their friend just because they made amends to society. You can forgive them if you have that level of empathy, but even then, not required. She helped the guy who did it to Barbara. Helped him escape justice time and again. I do think Dick is empathetic enough to one day forgive Harley, knowing she was a victim herself, but it would take time. Even then, I can't abide them being friends or having a good relationship.
I want to be wrong on Taylor. A lot of people love his work and he seems like a swell dude, but his work hasn't impressed me thus far aside from small bits and pieces that get posted on Reddit.
That said, I acknowledge the guy is a top talent in the industry and it's great Nightwing has been given that high profile a team.
Finally, tragically, it seems the good ship PowerWing remains at port for a while longer.
[QUOTE=Ascended;5283173]
Bludhaven was never the problem, and still isn't.[/QUOTE]
HARD disagreement there. When you are trying to build a house in the mud it doesn't matter how you do it because the structure is going to fall apart regardless. The entire concept of Bludhaven in and of itself is critically flawed. At its core it doesn't work as a setting for Dick because Bludhaven doesn't present any actual value on its own and Dick's ties to the city are completely superficial. You'd have to rewrite Dick's entire history to make it work.
I said the same things before Seeley's return to the city when nearly everyone was saying that this time Bludhaven will work. Fast forward 4 years later and I was right. When Taylor's run is over and Bludhaven is still worthless maybe a few more people will come to my side, lol.
[QUOTE=Robanker;5283222]More dogs are always welcome![/QUOTE]
Now we need the DC/Marvel crossover; "3 Legged Puppy vs. Pizza Dog! Which maimed mutt will end up in the muzzle!?!?!"
[QUOTE]My problem with Taylor is that he uses his alternate universes as a crutch. Big stuff gets to happen so you ignore he is terrible at voices for a lot of characters.[/QUOTE]
And that's something I haven't really seen. I thought he did well with Ollie and Harley in that one Injustice issue I read but I'm in unknown waters here.
Hopefully this won't be a problem in a main canon title where "Elseworld!" isn't a viable excuse. With Injustice he was dealing with NetherRealms' versions of the characters, so....maybe that was part of it? Or maybe he's just one of those writers who bends characters to fit the plot, I really don't know.
Don't blame you for the Harley bias. I love the character and don't have the problems a lot of posters here do, but I get where you're coming from. DC really pushes her in places where they shouldn't, and her working with the Bats is f*cking idiotic. And no, I don't think she and Dick would get along very well, but it'd be damn fun to watch.
[QUOTE]Finally, tragically, it seems the good ship PowerWing remains at port for a while longer.[/QUOTE]
That ship isn't leaving the dock until one of us takes over the book. But as the captain of the USS PowerWing I give my permission to any DC employee reading this post to use the couple, free of charge. :p
[QUOTE]HARD disagreement there. When you are trying to build a house in the mud it doesn't matter how you do it because the structure is going to fall apart regardless. [/QUOTE]
I know. We've talked about the city before and this is something we're just not gonna see eye to eye on. You say the house is built on a foundation of mud, but I say it's fiction and it's only mud if you allow it to be. I get what you're saying but I think it's a false corollary.
Going back to his roots, I don't have much of a problem with. The energy Tom Taylor talks about putting into the story is what appeals to me.
And he knows how to write a decent relationship, so I think if he is reviving Dickbabs then I trust he's gonna get them out of this will they/wont they horribly written limbo. At least he'll commit to something.
[QUOTE=Badou;5283271]HARD disagreement there. When you are trying to build a house in the mud it doesn't matter how you do it because the structure is going to fall apart regardless. The entire concept of Bludhaven in and of itself is critically flawed. At its core it doesn't work as a setting for Dick because Bludhaven doesn't present any actual value on its own and Dick's ties to the city are completely superficial. You'd have to rewrite Dick's entire history to make it work.
I said the same things before Seeley's return to the city when nearly everyone was saying that this time Bludhaven will work. Fast forward 4 years later and I was right. When Taylor's run is over and Bludhaven is still worthless maybe a few more people will come to my side, lol.[/QUOTE]
Bludhaven worth is something that come up here tri annually at least and I think I have been here a few years now. Yes it will never be Gotham and it will never be Metropolis bus so what. I don’t know what green arrow or flash city is and I don’t care. It’s his turf and his home under his watch. He orange have to share it with 24 other heroes like Spider-Man does NYC or even daredevil in Hell’s Kitchen. Bludhaven was one of his strongest runs location. Hell at even rebirth while a bit slow still engaging. Consistency is good.
He can still have globe trottin space flying Diane soon bending stories with the Titans. All while maintaining his own base just like Batman and Superman.
More importantly we will finally have corporate synergy. People who read Nightwing are gonna see him on tv doing the same on tv and vice versa. Even better this season will feature Barbra as Oracle just as this new storyline will. Taylor could be creating an outline for a potential spin-off for them.