Dick Grayson: Robin / Nightwing Appreciation 2020

[QUOTE=AmiMizuno;4777650]I’m curious. Given the fact his name in some continuities his name came from Clarke’s home planet. About a guy who made himself fly. Show Nightwing have made his suit somewhat capabilities to fly? Or thanks to his acrobatics that’s good enough[/QUOTE]

I would like to get the gliders back. As others have said, acrobatics and parkour is where Dick lives; that's how he gets around and that shouldn't change; it's as central to his heroics as Superman's flight poses. But the gliders would be useful in a lot of situations too, and it's something you don't usually see from the other Bats, or any other street level DC vigilante, for that matter.

But then again, if I got my way, I'd have Dick fighting some more powerful superhumans and wearing a costume akin to the Batman Beyond suit in its abilities. Minor enhancements to strength and agility, lots of utility belt type gadgets, glider wings and small jet boots to provide a boost, stealth options, and additional protection. Something that would compliment and enhance the way Dick moves and fights, not change or replace it. But as I've said, I'd pull Dick out of the street level and get him away from the Bat-lite crap, so anyone who likes Dick just being another Bat sidekick isn't going to agree with me. :p

[QUOTE=Drako;4778197]Dan mora is just awesome!
I would love to have him as the main artist of the book or just doing the covers.[/QUOTE]

I would kill to get Dan Mora on Nightwing. He's been one of my favorites ever since I discovered his art with Klaus. I mean, if an artist was better suited to Nightwing than Mora, I don't know them!

Favorite Flying Graysons costume, go!

Green like ASBAR?
Batman Forever Red like Robin?
New 52 Blue like Nightwing?
Many colors like in Gotham?
White like in Young Justice?
The fully covered Bombshell one?
and more

Collar and cape?
Gymnast leotard?
Shirtless vest?
Mask?
Sash?

[QUOTE=Restingvoice;4779664]Favorite Flying Graysons costume, go!

Green like ASBAR?
Batman Forever Red like Robin?
New 52 Blue like Nightwing?
Many colors like in Gotham?
White like in Young Justice?
The fully covered Bombshell one?
and more

Collar and cape?
Gymnast leotard?
Shirtless vest?
Mask?
Sash?[/QUOTE]

I really like this one from ASBAR.

[IMG]https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/scale_small/0/40/525713-502635_los_grayson_super.jpg[/IMG]

I usually prefer when they have costumes that don't look like his Robin costume, it makes the people of Gotham even more stupid to not figure out his secret identity.

Makes me wonder. What would it be a dumb idea to have Dick actually have his parents alive. They survived but Bruce still feels bad

Nothing cannon. A what if

[QUOTE=Restingvoice;4779664]Favorite Flying Graysons costume, go!

Green like ASBAR?
Batman Forever Red like Robin?
New 52 Blue like Nightwing?
Many colors like in Gotham?
White like in Young Justice?
The fully covered Bombshell one?
and more

Collar and cape?
Gymnast leotard?
Shirtless vest?
Mask?
Sash?[/QUOTE]

Probably not a popular choice, but I'm rather partial to this one:

[img]https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/marvel_dc/images/e/e2/Flashpoint_Deadman_and_the_Flying_Graysons_Vol_1_3.jpg/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/312?cb=20110806014243[/img]

As contrived as it may be I kinda love it when the Flying Graysons are depicted with the Nightwing colors, it brings Dick's journey full circle in a way.

[QUOTE=K7P5V;4780550]Probably not a popular choice, but I'm rather partial to this one:

[img]https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/marvel_dc/images/e/e2/Flashpoint_Deadman_and_the_Flying_Graysons_Vol_1_3.jpg/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/312?cb=20110806014243[/img][/QUOTE]Ah, I can see the Nightwing influence there. High collar like the 1984 suit, the yellow secondary colour - but the yellow part on the chest is bird shaped like his late 90s onwards costumes.

[QUOTE=AmiMizuno;4780422]Makes me wonder. What would it be a dumb idea to have Dick actually have his parents alive. They survived but Bruce still feels bad

Nothing cannon. A what if[/QUOTE]Come to think of it, nowadays, they SHOULD have survived, because there'd be a safety net.

It depends there are acts that don’t use safety nets. They do it for the scary value

[QUOTE=Drako;4780395]I really like this one from ASBAR.

[IMG]https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/scale_small/0/40/525713-502635_los_grayson_super.jpg[/IMG]

I usually prefer when they have costumes that don't look like his Robin costume, it makes the people of Gotham even more stupid to not figure out his secret identity.[/QUOTE]

The G logo for Grayson is a nice touch.

I also prefer the ones that don't look like Robin or Nightwing, so either ASBAR or Young Justice

Oh, and since I like the mask and open half vest, I'm going with Young Justice.

[QUOTE=Restingvoice;4779664]Favorite Flying Graysons costume, go!

Green like ASBAR?
Batman Forever Red like Robin?
New 52 Blue like Nightwing?
Many colors like in Gotham?
White like in Young Justice?
The fully covered Bombshell one?
and more

Collar and cape?
Gymnast leotard?
Shirtless vest?
Mask?
Sash?[/QUOTE]
I like the New 52 blue. Mary's especially looked great.

Gymnast leotard.

I'm curious with the Flying Grayson's outfit shouldn't his robin costume be designed by that? Similar design but different color?

[QUOTE=Valentonis;4780571]As contrived as it may be I kinda love it when the Flying Graysons are depicted with the Nightwing colors, it brings Dick's journey full circle in a way.[/QUOTE]

Once upon a time they had Robin's colors, one more thing they took from Dick so everybody else could have it. Robin went from being Dick's personal creation to just a suit that goes with the part time job, I bet Batman even charges them for the uniform.

[QUOTE=Rakiduam;4781337]Once upon a time they had Robin's colors, one more thing they took from Dick so everybody else could have it. Robin went from being Dick's personal creation to just a suit that goes with the part time job, I bet Batman even charges them for the uniform.[/QUOTE]

Come on, Bruce knows better than to try and take a kid's money. He just had Dick sign away all licensing and merchandising rights to Robin during the oath. Why shake down for a penny when you can have a fortune. :p

[QUOTE=AmiMizuno;4781087]I'm curious with the Flying Grayson's outfit shouldn't his robin costume be designed by that? Similar design but different color?[/QUOTE]

Robin is a nickname from his mom, so the Flying Grayson's costume doesn't have to be the inspiration for Robin. He just needs to use the Robin bird color and based the design on Robin Hood's tunic, so they can be separate.

[QUOTE=Robanker;4781456]Come on, Bruce knows better than to try and take a kid's money. He just had Dick sign away all licensing and merchandising rights to Robin during the oath. Why shake down for a penny when you can have a fortune. :p[/QUOTE]

Of everything but the movements, that's why the others can't use them.

Nightwing #68 preview

[url]https://www.superherohype.com/comics/475243-exclusive-preview-nightwing-68#/slide/1[/url]

[QUOTE=Lazurus33;4782023]Nightwing #68 preview

[url]https://www.superherohype.com/comics/475243-exclusive-preview-nightwing-68#/slide/1[/url][/QUOTE]
Man what the heck is even canon anymore? It's all over the place.

[QUOTE=Lazurus33;4782023]Nightwing #68 preview

[url]https://www.superherohype.com/comics/475243-exclusive-preview-nightwing-68#/slide/1[/url][/QUOTE]

Well...at least there is some light at the end of the tunnel. Would have been nicer if that happened a year ago though.

[QUOTE=WonderNight;4782038]Man what the heck is even canon anymore? It's all over the place.[/QUOTE]

Almost everything is canon but didn't happen the same way, in short, it's a new canon. Post-Doomsday Clock we're officially in the 1G to 5G timeline table that Bleeding Cool leaked a while back.

So Judas Contract is back as it was said on that time table, Barbara's Batgirl is wearing her classic costume and she looks older, Dick did propose to Babs right before Infinite Crisis that's also happened...

The difference is Bludhaven survived Infinite Crisis in this timeline, and he's wearing his New 52 costume in the later Robin year, while as a child he wears the classic Robin costume but with pants.

I just wish this isn't Jurgens so I can say with confidence when and where which canon happened because now I'm second-guessing The Flying Grayson's death in the last Annual. What if DC actually decided to use the ASBAR version?

By the way, in the new timeline, Barbara was shot by The Joker around the time Jason died as usual but recovered during the Final Crisis era.

And... ah ship, Iguana Lady Shiva is there. Whatever. Dick says he's confused about which memory is his, so I'm just gonna chalk it up to Jurgens, Manhattan, and his memory until we get a new writer.

Does it matter, he is still god damn Ric. Reinstating Dick’s various canon is utterly pointless when they still refuse to let go of Ric. It’s like giving a million dollars to an infant. What the hell is he gonna do with it. More crap for him to whine and complain about. Oh, joy. It wasn’t me, I never met them. Will you please shut the hell up already. You should get your own damn situation by now, you stupid child. Stop bitching and complaining about it to us. No one cares anymore, and we aren’t anymore happy about it then you are. You whiny little turd.
Again this just goes to show how utterly out of touch those on the book are, Ric has driven the Dick fans away. So what exactly do they think those pages accomplish. They continue to have no clue who Ric is for or who their audience even is on the title anymore. So now they are going to try to cater to Dick Grayson fans with pages like these, showing how they are reinstating his full history, while at the same time are still telling them to go f themselves with Ric. Ric is right, this doesn’t make sense. But hell it never fing did.

And I’m sure with the thorough research displayed with the likes of Talon, the Court, and using ASB&R origin Jurgans will know what to do with Dick’s full history lol.

Watch this be not cannon in a few months

[QUOTE=AmiMizuno;4782190]Watch this be not cannon in a few months[/QUOTE]

That is fine by me.

I appreciate the return of Redwing(N52 Suit).

[QUOTE=WonderNight;4782038]Man what the heck is even canon anymore? It's all over the place.[/QUOTE]

This is kind of a mess but it’s the kind of mess I like
We are on our way back boys and girls!!!

I'm curious if Nightwing was ever given his own editor who should it be?

[QUOTE=Lazurus33;4782023]Nightwing #68 preview

[url]https://www.superherohype.com/comics/475243-exclusive-preview-nightwing-68#/slide/1[/url][/QUOTE]

What a gigantic mess. All those shitty New 52 elements thrown in with a bunch of continuity that makes no sense.

I guess this is my first time saying how much I hate that ugly New 52 Robin suit in the new decade, haha. What a garbage costume. Looked so out of place with all the other classic costumes.

If ric/dick remembers then he needs embrace his family immediately

Not buying that Dick is back until he's in the Nightwing costume slinging zingers again. Until then I'm refusing to buy Nightwing. They gotta COMMIT to bringing him back. And please ditch the updated Robin suit. More than anyone else, Dick should always have rocked the classic suit. He owned it. Stop being ashamed.

[QUOTE=Darkcrusade25;4782428]I appreciate the return of Redwing(N52 Suit).[/QUOTE]It's been back in use for a while. One of the fake Nightwings uses it. The other three use the Rebirth, 1984 and early 90s costumes.

[QUOTE=Rac7d*;4782489]This is kind of a mess but it’s the kind of mess I like
We are on our way back boys and girls!!![/QUOTE]on the way back to what? And screw the bat family get nightwing out of there!

I don’t think they even know, which is why they are continuing to mindlessly drag this out. Still not ready to put that work in to figure out what is next. So in the end they’ll get to that point where they run out of road to drag this out, and so will just throw out the same old same old. Though at that point maybe the book’s rank will be so low they just cancel it, and then those responsible for the book will finally get what they truly want and won’t have to work on it.

The book is stalling until Tynion's Batman story in the Summer I think, but they are also stalling and not doing any creator shifts on the book because of 5G too. No point in shaking things up in there eyes when 5G is around the corner. So there are two outside stories controlling the entire direction of the Nightwing book. It is such a mess.

Jurgens is on it to drag out his story until then I bet, and then we will find out if Jurgens is staying on or if they will bring in someone new. I still think Jurgens is going to continue to be on the title for 5G and he is going to try and bring in his Batman Beyond ideas into the Nightwing book. Mainly having Dick become mayor of Bludhaven. Since it is such an easy excuse to not have Dick be Batman and have Luke be Batman, as well as keep Dick out of the JL team, because Dick is sooooooo concerned about Bludhaven and can't leave it.

The Joker story started in March. So yeah, they delay it for the summer event.

Had they end it with The Court arc, it will end in February just in time for March, his 80th anniversary, but Nah, they gotta do a summer event.

I don't know how long they planned this summer event. Is this why Cobb spare the Nightwings? Because having Grandpappy Talon kill the fakes to pave way for Dick to return on his anniversary sounds make more sense. The... most sense out of anything else that's been planned for this forsaken series.

Damn, Badou got banned.

Btw do these hit and runs by Moore frustrate anyone else? Dude is good, far too good for the writing, but it’s like just a couple pages here and there just to fluff the previews. Though I guess it’s not like any of the other various random artists they get for the book leave an impression. Still...

[QUOTE=WonderNight;4783623]on the way back to what? And screw the bat family get nightwing out of there![/QUOTE]

Out of where?

The Bat office I assume.

[QUOTE=Robanker;4783512]Not buying that Dick is back until he's in the Nightwing costume slinging zingers again. Until then I'm refusing to buy Nightwing. They gotta COMMIT to bringing him back. And please ditch the updated Robin suit. More than anyone else, Dick should always have rocked the classic suit. He owned it. Stop being ashamed.[/QUOTE]

Unpopular opinion: Even for being a product of its time, the original Robin costume was incredibly silly (and just...not very good). Now, it's not just silly, but kind of a dangerous thing for Batman to have a powerless child wear while fighting crime in Gotham, of all places (as if letting him be Robin in the first place wasn't already irresponsible). It was essentially just a t-shirt, vest, and speedos. I'm glad they updated the look. The boy needed to be covered up lol

[QUOTE=Godlike13;4783762]The Bat office I assume.[/QUOTE]

Why the titans team has been annihilated

I'm with Blue22; the classic Robin suit is, of course, a classic. But for the love of god, put some pants on that kid!

I don't need the original suit changed so much it becomes a generic, modern Robin suit that any Gotham sidekick could wear, but it's not going to hurt anyone if we added pants. I mean, Gotham is in the Northeast. You really want a kid running around on rooftops, 2 o'clock in the morning, in February? Poor kid would have frostbite in the worst places!