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[QUOTE=BloodOps;4883426]Poor guy can't catch a break...
..and then this.
SPOILERS of course..
[url]https://www.instagram.com/p/B9ZRb5aAs0R/?igshid=yflymfb30oqf[/url][/QUOTE]
At least it'll get undone by the end of the movie and he's not the only one.
Overall what should Nightwing’s status be? Should he be the leader when Bruce isn’t there? Yea he is his own hero but if you don’t symbol what his status is than you can never drawn that line.
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[B]NIGHTWING #73[/B]
On sale June 17, 2020
The Joker knows Dick Grayson is Nightwing—and the plans he’s set in motion in will haunt Batman forever. Under the control of The Joker’s mysterious ally Punchline, Nightwing must battle the people he once loved most: Batgirl, the Robins, and…himself.
Written by DAN JURGENS
Art by RONAN CLIQUET
Cover by TRAVIS MOORE
Variant cover by ALAN QUAH
$3.99 US | 32 PAGES
FC | DC[/QUOTE]
I guess after Bruce is done hitting all the Robins (Pretty sure there is going to be a punch in the next Teen Titans Annual) it's Dick's turn now to "communicate" with his loved ones.
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[B]NIGHTWING #73[/B]
On sale June 17, 2020
The Joker knows Dick Grayson is Nightwing—and the plans he’s set in motion in will haunt Batman forever. Under the control of The Joker’s mysterious ally Punchline, Nightwing must battle the people he once loved most: Batgirl, the Robins, and…himself.
Written by DAN JURGENS
Art by RONAN CLIQUET
Cover by TRAVIS MOORE
Variant cover by ALAN QUAH
$3.99 US | 32 PAGES
FC | DC[/QUOTE]lol you would think dick has learned to stay away from Gotham by now.
[QUOTE=AmiMizuno;4883495]Overall what should Nightwing’s status be? Should he be the leader when Bruce isn’t there? Yea he is his own hero but if you don’t symbol what his status is than you can never drawn that line.[/QUOTE]Nightwing's not his own hero. Hell just look at who's logo is on his book.
[QUOTE=WonderNight;4883616]lol you would think dick has learned to stay away from Gotham by now.[/QUOTE]
Does that matter. Same exact thing just happen to him in Bludhaven too.
Btw Nightwing 70 preview
[url]https://www.bleedingcool.com/2020/03/11/can-ric-grayson-find-his-dick-in-nightwing-70-preview/[/url]
Its a typical no effort Nightwing preview. Long winded recap surrounding whatever generic art they can find for the month.
[QUOTE=Godlike13;4883622]Does that matter. Same exact thing just happen to him in Bludhaven too.[/QUOTE]
Oh I know it just funny that almost everytime dick steps foot in Gotham something terrible happens to him.
That Nightwing #73 solicit is so hilariously bad that I can't do anything but laugh, lol. I have no interest in this Joker War story.
What a disaster this whole thing has been. It has been so amazingly awful but there are still people out there that think Jurgens is doing a good job on this book. I'll never understand that.
Ric's still not sure which memories are real?
the Court of Owls implanted memories that he killed Bruce Wayne. Is Wayne alive? if yes, those memories are false. case closed.
[QUOTE=twiztor;4883737]Ric's still not sure which memories are real?
the Court of Owls implanted memories that he killed Bruce Wayne. Is Wayne alive? if yes, those memories are false. case closed.[/QUOTE]
We talked about it last issue, it is obvious which memories are real they are dragging him with the idiot stick.
If he has to sneak into a secret hideout of mysterious organization whose leader posed as his doctor then it’s clear where the truth is
Batman, Robin, and Batgirl all got mentioned on Coronation Street today (Wed 11 March). Roy Cropper even explained that Robin was Dick Grayson, the Boy Wonder.
[QUOTE=WonderNight;4883619]Nightwing's not his own hero. Hell just look at who's logo is on his book.[/QUOTE]
I guess he never will sense he is really the most popular of the Robins. Plus Dc can’t write him. All I’m saying if Bruce is gone is he the next guy to lead and is that a bad thing? By gone I mean sometimes Bruce goes away to other places to fight some of his villains. When it comes to Nightwing what should be boundaries when it comes having him in Batman books?
[QUOTE=AmiMizuno;4884721]I guess he never will sense he is really the most popular of the Robins. Plus Dc can’t write him. All I’m saying if Bruce is gone is he the next guy to lead and is that a bad thing? By gone I mean sometimes Bruce goes away to other places to fight some of his villains. When it comes to Nightwing what should be boundaries when it comes having him in Batman books?[/QUOTE]
I'd be more or less okay with Dick being treated as the heir apparent to Batman, second in command, most trusted lieutenant, et c if it was a role DC respected, but they don't. Also, as Dick has already had a run as batman, when creators want to do their own Bruce-incapacitate story, they want someone other than Dick so that they can do something new.
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[B]NIGHTWING #73[/B]
On sale June 17, 2020
The Joker knows Dick Grayson is Nightwing—and the plans he’s set in motion in will haunt Batman forever. Under the control of The Joker’s mysterious ally Punchline, Nightwing must battle the people he once loved most: Batgirl, the Robins, and…himself.
Written by DAN JURGENS
Art by RONAN CLIQUET
Cover by TRAVIS MOORE
Variant cover by ALAN QUAH
$3.99 US | 32 PAGES
FC | DC[/QUOTE]
...
Same plot?
Same plot.
*Waves* Same plot!
*Points* Same plot!!
*yells* Same plot!
*Desk throw* Are you kidding me what?! this is like the fourth time his return is postponed and now just to make the same thing?! Even if it still hasn't beat the record of New 52 Superman getting brainwashed four times in two years to the point his death feels like a mercy kill, and it doesn't surprise me that they keep doing this because apparently this title still sells higher than other titles who has the hero not undergoing this thing, also after DC promoted 100 variant covers and Wedding Album for a wedding that's not happening I know there's no limit to their audacity, could you at least be a little more self-aware... no, cancel that... we already way past that line we can't even see it from here... could you at least dress him in Joker's color so he doesn't look like he's cosplaying Bucky using the wrong reference?!
This book is just in a holding pattern until either 5G hits or the Bat-line gets a relaunch. It'll be summer at the earliest, if not fall, before DC changes gears. It's not even worth getting angry about anymore. In fact, it's almost impressive how DC has remained so intentionally deaf and intent on dragging this out no matter what the fans want. I mean, if it wasn't horrible business you'd almost have to admire how stubborn stupid they've been about Ric.
But I would really appreciate Jim Lee or someone dropping some information about their plans for Nightwing. Didio hated the character, but can we expect better from the new (sole) publisher? Or will Dick just be swept aside for 5G while someone else takes over the mantle?
Your right. I guess it’s just hard to accept there is just that little creative integrity with those on the book.
[QUOTE=Ascended;4884915]This book is just in a holding pattern until either 5G hits or the Bat-line gets a relaunch. It'll be summer at the earliest, if not fall, before DC changes gears. It's not even worth getting angry about anymore. [B]In fact, it's almost impressive how DC has remained so intentionally deaf and intent on dragging this out no matter what the fans want[/B]. I mean, if it wasn't horrible business you'd almost have to admire how stubborn stupid they've been about Ric.
But I would really appreciate Jim Lee or someone dropping some information about their plans for Nightwing. Didio hated the character, but can we expect better from the new (sole) publisher? Or will Dick just be swept aside for 5G while someone else takes over the mantle?[/QUOTE]
This made me laugh, because it's so true. You DO almost have to congratulate DC on staying the course on one of the worst creative ideas in a long, long time.
No matter the fan outrage, drop in monthly numbers, and universal hatred for the Ric storyline, DC remains steadfast in telling the storyline nobody wants.
It's like watching a train head PROUDLY toward a cliff, monumentally confident in it's resolve!
It's even more impressive when DC usually turns tail and runs as soon as any small amount of criticism is thrown their way. Like, people at DC panicked so hard they had to be hospitalized at the first negative mention of Bat-penis, but Ric? They won't be deterred from telling this brilliant and game changing story no matter how awful it is or how much money they lose!
It really is almost commendable. :p
There are some people DC has been consistent with not balking with. It’s still gets me how they rushed to remove Esquivel, yet they were pairing him with Lobdell LoL.
At this point they need to reboot him. Make all of this some nightmare. That all this Ric story was just him in a coma
I just checked the wiki of Titans. There are only two series of Titans before the reboot? One with Raven and one without Raven? So they all lumped with Teen Titans wiki since the members are graduates of Teen Titans?
Man, they're a lost cause. Since half of the popular members are former teen, former sidekick, and still using the same team name as the Teen version, it's a triple whammy of not being considered an independent adult.
[QUOTE=Restingvoice;4886194]I just checked the wiki of Titans. There are only two series of Titans before the reboot? One with Raven and one without Raven? So they all lumped with Teen Titans wiki since the members are graduates of Teen Titans?
Man, they're a lost cause. Since half of the popular members are former teen, former sidekick, and still using the same team name as the Teen version, it's a triple whammy of not being considered an independent adult.[/QUOTE]the titans franchise is a teen/sidekick franchise. The only people who don't see that are titans generation fans
[QUOTE=Restingvoice;4886194]I just checked the wiki of Titans. There are only two series of Titans before the reboot? One with Raven and one without Raven? So they all lumped with Teen Titans wiki since the members are graduates of Teen Titans?
Man, they're a lost cause. Since half of the popular members are former teen, former sidekick, and still using the same team name as the Teen version, it's a triple whammy of not being considered an independent adult.[/QUOTE]New Teen Titans eventually became just New Titans, so I'd say that counts as well. Also, there was actually two different Titans teams in the final pre-Flashpoint series. Originally it was a New Teen Titans reunion book, but after about a year it started falling apart, as Nightwing became Batman, and he and Donna both joined the Justice League. They ended up doing a few solo spotlight issues and then retooled it in issue 24 with a new team formed by Deathstroke.
[QUOTE=Digifiend;4886409]New Teen Titans eventually became just New Titans, so I'd say that counts as well. Also, there was actually two different Titans teams in the final pre-Flashpoint series. Originally it was a New Teen Titans reunion book, but after about a year it started falling apart, as Nightwing became Batman, and he and Donna both joined the Justice League. They ended up doing a few solo spotlight issues and then retooled it in issue 24 with a new team formed by Deathstroke.[/QUOTE]
East, West, and Terror?
Not two at the same time. One replaced the other.
What's the point of having the same story told? I mean someone told me Jim hates Dick just has much. But I hope this writer was because these were due to before Dan left and things will get better.
My guess is Dick was suppose to come back at the end of the Talon arc, but then King got the boot and the new Bat writer came on board with this Joker event and they thought Dick’s return would add more weight to the event if they do it there. So rather then come up with a wholly new story they are recreating the same conditions as before so they can fill that time between then and the event, but then still do the same thing they more or less were gonna do at the end of the Talon arc. I’m also guessing that is why the upcoming annual has Dick back as Nightwing. Cause that lame Condor crap, with Dick just going back into his old suit to do same old same old, is what they originally were gonna do after the Talon arc. And unfortunately I believe it’s what we can look forward to after the Joker event now.
I bet you're right. Issue #68 has two artist, Moore for only 8 pages, and Cliquet for the others. My thoughts were that the issue was a puzzle of different scenes, like Jurgens planned to do something, than got scraped and rewrote the battle.
Tynion's run is going to end in july, right?
[QUOTE=Godlike13;4887290]My guess is Dick was suppose to come back at the end of the Talon arc, but then King got the boot and the new Bat writer came on board with this Joker event and they thought Dick’s return would add more weight to the event if they do it there. So rather then come up with a wholly new story they are recreating the same conditions as before so they can fill that time between then and the event, but then still do the same thing they more or less were gonna do at the end of the Talon arc. I’m also guessing that is why the upcoming annual has Dick back as Nightwing. Cause that lame Condor crap, with Dick just going back into his old suit to do same old same old, is what they originally were gonna do after the Talon arc. And unfortunately I believe it’s what we can look forward to after the Joker event now.[/QUOTE]
Then they should postpone that annual for six months.
[QUOTE=AmiMizuno;4887271]What's the point of having the same story told? I mean someone told me Jim hates Dick just has much. But I hope this writer was because these were due to before Dan left and things will get better.[/QUOTE]
I don't know if I've ever seen Jim Lee mention Nightwing. No idea how he feels about the character, but he does seem to enjoy drawing the guy. So there's that, at least.
Didio has been gone for what, a month? It'll take time for any changes Lee makes as sole publisher to trickle down to the book shelves. Even if Lee is the biggest Nightwing fanboy you could ever imagine, comics take time to create and a change in plans requires even more time, since plans have to be dropped, new plans hatched, refined, approved, and then produced.
There is no evidence at all that he hates Nightwing.
[QUOTE=Ascended;4887910]I don't know if I've ever seen Jim Lee mention Nightwing. No idea how he feels about the character, but he does seem to enjoy drawing the guy. So there's that, at least.[/QUOTE]
He said this five months ago, during NYCC.
“I assure you, I will protect Nightwing at all costs.”
[url]https://twitter.com/aiptcomics/status/1179859534694813704?s=21[/url]
[QUOTE=Drako;4887977]There is no evidence at all that he hates Nightwing.
He said this five months ago, during NYCC.
“I assure you, I will protect Nightwing at all costs.”
[url]https://twitter.com/aiptcomics/status/1179859534694813704?s=21[/url][/QUOTE]
Then let’s hold him to it
[QUOTE=Drako;4887977]There is no evidence at all that he hates Nightwing.
He said this five months ago, during NYCC.
“I assure you, I will protect Nightwing at all costs.”
[url]https://twitter.com/aiptcomics/status/1179859534694813704?s=21[/url][/QUOTE]
I'll take it. That is, no matter what, better than we've had for a long time. :D
Of course, the real question is "protect him how?" Lee could "protect" Dick's role as Bruce's first and greatest sidekick and keep Dick tied to Bruce's hip. Or he could "protect" Nightwing by building him up as a solo IP with friends in Gotham and every other corner of the DCU.
But whether Dick is forced to stay in Gotham's orbit or gets to spread his wings and leave the nest (again) Lee "protecting" Dick is better than having Didio actively trying to put Dick's head on a pike.
I don't know what kind of publisher Lee is going to be. I fear he's going to have some of the same flaws Didio did, as far as creative outlook goes (mainly being too fond of the 90's). But I will sing the man's praises if he gives us quality Nightwing.
True. I hope after this storyline things go well for Dick. We get some better things coming his way. What writers should be on Nightwing
Dick'll probably go back to normal in issue 75, since Tynon said it would be during his run and it's a round number.
Let's see what's hold for him after that, i just want a good creative team with cool ideas.
Pretty cool video about the Robins with appearances of Marv Wolfman, Tim Seeley and others.
[video=youtube;Z3D-AbzEa5s]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z3D-AbzEa5s[/video]
[QUOTE=Drako;4888318]Dick'll probably go back to normal in issue 75, since Tynon said it would be during his run and it's a round number.[/QUOTE]
When does that hit? Aren't we rumored to get 5G in October or so?
[QUOTE=Ascended;4888715]When does that hit? Aren't we rumored to get 5G in October or so?[/QUOTE]
August should be 75.
[QUOTE=Godlike13;4888742]August should be 75.[/QUOTE]
Ah thanks. So maybe a few months of relative normalcy before 5G hits, assuming those plans aren't completely undone by Didio leaving.
I'm very curious what that event is going to bring. Jon Kent as Superman? Luke Fox as Batman? Sure, whatever I guess? But what is it gonna do to guys like Dick? Even if there's a time skip he wouldn't be aged out of the role (unless it's a really big skip anyway). So him and his peers are going to be older and more experienced than the League, but they won't be the League? Where are they gonna fit?
I sort of expect Didio wanted them written out, but with him gone and Lee in charge? I can't wait to get title announcements and see what the hell this thing is actually going to be.