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[QUOTE=L.H.;4930018]Months ago, Snyder said he was planning to write a Wonder Woman story and a Nightwing run. I don't know if Death Metal will turn in a WW story, but I'm pretty sure his pitch is about a Nightwing ongoing[/QUOTE]
I remember him saying he was going to do a JSA series, retelling their origins, which would include Wonder Woman quite prominently. I'm hoping he can do both that and Nightwing.
[QUOTE=Artemisfanboy;4930862]I remember him saying he was going to do a JSA series, retelling their origins, which would include Wonder Woman quite prominently. I'm hoping he can do both that and Nightwing.[/QUOTE]
I wonder what Snyder's JSA would look like? I tend to prefer them with a good dose of pulp, and I wouldn't argue against rubbing some old school Golden Age "war comics" in there either, honestly.
Whatever he'd do with the JSA I'd hope it wouldn't just be a repeat of his JL. I enjoyed his run (I'm a sucker for big Morrison-esque cosmic crap) for the most part but I don't want to read it again with the JSA'ers.
[QUOTE=Gray Lensman;4930846]I liked the dynamic best when Jason was a punisher type when Dick wore the cowl - Jason was basically Dick's personal Joker.[/QUOTE]
Yes I like this as well.
I don't see any reason why they should like each other or consider each other brothers even when Jason is counted among the heroes (and I have to agree with Ascended's viewpoint here). Dick is close with Tim and Damian, he never really had the chance to be very close to Jason pre-Death in the Family, and I don't see why he would suddenly be close to him post-Red Hood.
Timothee Chalamet... which Robin is he playing? My guess is Dick (because the Reeves'movie is partially based on Long Halloween) or at least Damian
[QUOTE=batnbreakfast;4934079]Timothee Chalamet... which Robin is he playing? My guess is Dick (because the Reeves'movie is partially based on Long Halloween) or at least Damian[/QUOTE]
....What?!
[QUOTE=AmiMizuno;4930455]I'm curious if DC ever did this whole Dick has a kid would it be a good or bad idea? I mean the issue is we know it won't last.[/QUOTE]
If we're going to bring up Dick watching over a kid, then my all-time favorite is Grayson & Bat-Baby:
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[QUOTE=L.H.;4930583]I'd love to have Mar'i from Kingdom Come as canon, together with the others Titans kids. Her love story with Damian is great.[/QUOTE]
Agreed. Even though Dick was against it, the relationship Mar'i had with Ibn al Xu'ffasch was most enjoyable. :)
[QUOTE=batnbreakfast;4934079]Timothee Chalamet... which Robin is he playing? My guess is Dick (because the Reeves'movie is partially based on Long Halloween) or at least Damian[/QUOTE]
If he ain’t Asian he gonna get hell
What makes Mari likable?
[QUOTE=Rakiduam;4934258]....What?![/QUOTE]
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Must be the isolation. Hurts my thinking. He's in Dune and I thought... there's our guy
[QUOTE=K7P5V;4934448]If we're going to bring up Dick watching over a kid, then my all-time favorite is Grayson & Bat-Baby:
[img]https://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/2116/144/1600/Batman%20147-28_Batman%20Becomes%20Bat-Baby-04.jpg[/img][/QUOTE]
I don't care what DC decides is officially in canon ([SIZE=1]this week[/SIZE]) or not, for me this whole bat-shit event still 100% happened.
Okay. So I know in New Order Mari is there and Dick did have a son. Should they ever be in cannon? By that even if Dick doesn't get with Starfire she still exist in the mutiverse.
[QUOTE=AmiMizuno;4938382]Okay. So I know in New Order Mari is there and Dick did have a son. Should they ever be in cannon? By that even if Dick doesn't get with Starfire she still exist in the mutiverse.[/QUOTE]
Mari in New Order? Not to my knowledge. It was just the son in that one.
Personally though? Not a fan of the IbnxMar'i thing, as at this point in time, she would be his niece. But I would like to see her brought in.
Okay. What if to make Dick more independent he goes back to the Cirus. I know that Haley's circus is taken over. But shouldn't that be an arc? Is Dick getting the Court to leave? what if Dc just skipped and made Nightwing a movie. Didn't do a origin.Just a simple flashback
[QUOTE=Jackalope89;4938609]Mari in New Order? Not to my knowledge. It was just the son in that one.
Personally though? Not a fan of the IbnxMar'i thing, as at this point in time, she would be his niece. But I would like to see her brought in.[/QUOTE]Mar'I will never be brought in as long as nightwing's in the bat office.
[QUOTE=AmiMizuno;4938651]Okay. What if to make Dick more independent he goes back to the Cirus. I know that Haley's circus is taken over. But shouldn't that be an arc? Is Dick getting the Court to leave?What if Dc just skipped and made Nightwing a movie. Didn't do a origin.Just a simple flashback[/QUOTE]either what is happening with the batman movie they should fast track a nightwing movie.
Like I've said as long as dick's in the bat office he'll never be as independent as he should be. Maybe DC should change his name from nightwing to BatBoy!
The way he is right now it fits him better.
[QUOTE=WonderNight;4938733]Mar'I will never be brought in as long as nightwing's in the bat office.[/QUOTE]
What is there to bring back? Mar’i was never brought into main existence in the first place. She is more relevant on tumblr then she ever has been in comics.
The circus isn't a strong enough setting to put him there permanently. It's fine for an arc, or at least it was until the Owls kind of ruined the "going back home" appeal it used to have I think, but it isn't a place where you can tell multiple stories without running into problems. It doesn’t have the breadth of resources to tell unique stories for long without falling into bad ideas or trappings of the past. Maybe if it had been used differently over the years I’d feel differently, but I just don’t think it works as a long term setting. So I'm fine with it just being closed down and Mr. Harley being retired if you want to bring them back from the dead.
Also it isn't a contemporary setting that works for modern stories. People don’t really view or go to the circus anymore like they did in the past. So even though comics are fantasy you’d be fighting against that. Although that doesn’t mean I want them to change Dick’s origin as the classic circus setting is still iconic even if they have fallen out of favor. Their colorful tent poles, performers, clowns, freak shows, animals, and ringmasters are all types of imagery that are iconic in America. Which is why when you tell stories of Dick’s past you can kind of break away from the modern sensibilities and setting to play around with those iconic imagery easier I feel like.
Of course there are still things you can do with Haly’s Circus. It isn’t useless. DC is releasing that original graphic novel about Dick’s past in the circus, but you can do other things with it as well. It’s a place that has been in the DCU forever and it is surprising DC connected so few characters to it. You’d think it would be this place where DC could pull all these weird and strange characters from, like a Deadman, magic users, or all these crazy Gotham villains, but they just never did.
I’ve thought about this for a while, but the single most interesting thing that has ever been done with the circus was what the Gotham TV show did with it. It was so brilliant I couldn’t believe that no DC comic writer didn’t already do it before. Which was to connect the Joker to Haly’s Circus. It feels so obvious. The most well-known villain in comics is a clown and you have an iconic character in Dick that is from the circus. How no one connected the dots before is unbelievable.
Now I didn’t like how the Gotham show went about connecting the Joker to Haly’s Circus, but the idea of just giving him some connection to it feels so obvious and it opens the door to a lot more stories while also propping up Haly’s. Just have the Joker as a young man (obviously before Batman was around) go work at Haly’s Circus and it could be where he developed his clown persona and his theatrical abilities.
You don’t need to go into who he was before that, he could have even used some fake name at the time, and it all still fits with who the character is. You could have him know who Mr. Haly was, him know Dick’s parents, and even have him meet and know a very young Dick Grayson which would be very creepy and eerie. It allows you to tie these new connections and build new stories off of them. Then just have the Joker leave some time before Bruce becomes Batman and nothing is lost. This would make for a good Black Label DC book given it seems they only make Black Label books about Batman, Joker or Harley Quinn, haha.
Pretty cool fan art by Vasco GEORGIEV:
[url]https://twitter.com/vascogeorgiev/status/1253036524758859776[/url]
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[QUOTE=Badou;4938790]The circus isn't a strong enough setting to put him there permanently. It's fine for an arc, or at least it was until the Owls kind of ruined the "going back home" appeal it used to have I think, but it isn't a place where you can tell multiple stories without running into problems. It doesn’t have the breadth of resources to tell unique stories for long without falling into bad ideas or trappings of the past. Maybe if it had been used differently over the years I’d feel differently, but I just don’t think it works as a long term setting. So I'm fine with it just being closed down and Mr. Harley being retired if you want to bring them back from the dead.
Also it isn't a contemporary setting that works for modern stories. People don’t really view or go to the circus anymore like they did in the past. So even though comics are fantasy you’d be fighting against that. Although that doesn’t mean I want them to change Dick’s origin as the classic circus setting is still iconic even if they have fallen out of favor. Their colorful tent poles, performers, clowns, freak shows, animals, and ringmasters are all types of imagery that are iconic in America. Which is why when you tell stories of Dick’s past you can kind of break away from the modern sensibilities and setting to play around with those iconic imagery easier I feel like.
Of course there are still things you can do with Haly’s Circus. It isn’t useless. DC is releasing that original graphic novel about Dick’s past in the circus, but you can do other things with it as well. It’s a place that has been in the DCU forever and it is surprising DC connected so few characters to it. You’d think it would be this place where DC could pull all these weird and strange characters from, like a Deadman, magic users, or all these crazy Gotham villains, but they just never did.
I’ve thought about this for a while, but the single most interesting thing that has ever been done with the circus was what the Gotham TV show did with it. It was so brilliant I couldn’t believe that no DC comic writer didn’t already do it before. Which was to connect the Joker to Haly’s Circus. It feels so obvious. The most well-known villain in comics is a clown and you have an iconic character in Dick that is from the circus. How no one connected the dots before is unbelievable.
Now I didn’t like how the Gotham show went about connecting the Joker to Haly’s Circus, but the idea of just giving him some connection to it feels so obvious and it opens the door to a lot more stories while also propping up Haly’s. Just have the Joker as a young man (obviously before Batman was around) go work at Haly’s Circus and it could be where he developed his clown persona and his theatrical abilities.
You don’t need to go into who he was before that, he could have even used some fake name at the time, and it all still fits with who the character is. You could have him know who Mr. Haly was, him know Dick’s parents, and even have him meet and know a very young Dick Grayson which would be very creepy and eerie. It allows you to tie these new connections and build new stories off of them. Then just have the Joker leave some time before Bruce becomes Batman and nothing is lost. This would make for a good Black Label DC book given it seems they only make Black Label books about Batman, Joker or Harley Quinn, haha.[/QUOTE]
I had an idea. That Haley Circus is a cover. Dick is traveling City to City. Hunting down criminals. Well if we are going to keep him in Bludhaven easiest way is the casinos. He is one of the best acrobat shows they ever had.
I still believe dick should adopt YJ.Outsiders global meta human trafficking as his mission/direction. It fit a non superpowered titans DCU character that nightwing should be.
We already have enough bats in citys to go around.
[QUOTE=WonderNight;4942585]I still believe dick should adopt YJ.Outsiders global meta human trafficking as his mission/direction. It fit a non superpowered titans DCU character that nightwing should be.
We already have enough bats in citys to go around.[/QUOTE]
That was his relaunched titans team MO and it was bad
The book wasn't bad. But it definitely got screwed over by editorial, and in hindsight, they should've had Kyle instead of Dick from the start. Dick getting shot and suddenly being gone derailed the book, leading to it getting axed.
Nightwing by Seeley
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Discowing by Jimenez
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[QUOTE=Digifiend;4942741]The book wasn't bad. But it definitely got screwed over by editorial, and in hindsight, they should've had Kyle instead of Dick from the start. Dick getting shot and suddenly being gone derailed the book, leading to it getting axed.[/QUOTE]
Book was trash. Editorial excuses aside, how it chose to present its characters was awful and nonsensical. While it’s stories were formulaic and pointless. Ultimately going nowhere and saying nothing. Book accomplished nothing, and left every character involved worse off.
Abnett is as bad as Lobdell and Jurgan’s. Another complacent writer going through the motions, with little to no real forethought put into what he was actually doing, nor care towards the characters he was writing. He did little more then wipe his butt with Dick’s character for 2 years strait, yet as soon as Dick was unavailable his book couldn’t last beyond an arc. It’d be laughable if it wasn’t sad.
[QUOTE=Godlike13;4942772]Book was trash. Editorial excuses aside, how it chose to present its characters was awful and nonsensical. While it’s stories were formulaic and pointless. Ultimately going nowhere and saying nothing. Book accomplished nothing, and left every character involved worse off.
Abnett is as bad as Lobdell and Jurgan’s. Another complacent writer going through the motions, with little to no real forethought put into what he was actually doing, nor care towards the characters he was writing. He did little more then wipe his butt with Dick’s character for 2 years strait, yet as soon as Dick was unavailable his book couldn’t last beyond an arc. It’d be laughable if it wasn’t sad.[/QUOTE]
I preferred the fab five doing FRIENDS in Manhattan
[QUOTE=Godlike13;4942772]Book was trash. Editorial excuses aside, how it chose to present its characters was awful and nonsensical. While it’s stories were formulaic and pointless. Ultimately going nowhere and saying nothing. Book accomplished nothing, and left every character involved worse off.
Abnett is as bad as Lobdell and Jurgan’s. Another complacent writer going through the motions, with little to no real forethought put into what he was actually doing, nor care towards the characters he was writing. He did little more then wipe his butt with Dick’s character for 2 years strait, yet as soon as Dick was unavailable his book couldn’t last beyond an arc. It’d be laughable if it wasn’t sad.[/QUOTE]It wasn't perfect. I did think Steel was bland, there was nothing that made her stand out from Ironheart over at Marvel even though Natasha's been around far longer than Riri (and bear in mind how many people complain about Riri!). I think they only used her because they couldn't use Cyborg, who editorial insists is in a Justice League title, and didn't care about the girl behind the mask. She was just there to be the team's techie.
And the book did focus too much on Dick, who like I said, in hindsight shouldn't have even been in the book. But there's plenty of worse series than New Justice Titans.
[QUOTE=CPSparkles;4942760]Nightwing by Seeley
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[url]https://twitter.com/HackinTimSeeley[/url]
[/QUOTE]Hair's a bit long for that costume isn't it? Thought he only had long hair with the 1991 costume?
I didn't know Seeley could draw. Nice work.
Nice to see Dick with longer hair too. That length is definitely my preferred look for him, regardless of the costume.
But what's up with the fishnets on his forearms? I don't remember that from any costume?
Actually, speaking of hair.....Dick's had a lot of haircuts over the years, short, long, medium length, clean and slick, messy....do we think Dick should have one single haircut the way Superman and most other characters do (discounting the occasional mullet), or should Dick try to stick with the times and change his 'do occasionally? I could see him rocking one of those viking style cuts that seem popular right now....long on top, shaved on the sides and back....what's it called, a undercut or something? Damian has something like that too, only it's still fairly short on top.
Obviously a modern haircut could end up looking dated after a while, but that doesn't seem like much of a hurdle if you ask me. We might shake our heads at Superman's 90's mullet, but it doesn't really ruin the reading or anything.
[QUOTE=Ascended;4943008]I didn't know Seeley could draw. Nice work.
Nice to see Dick with longer hair too. That length is definitely my preferred look for him, regardless of the costume.
But what's up with the fishnets on his forearms? I don't remember that from any costume?
Actually, speaking of hair.....Dick's had a lot of haircuts over the years, short, long, medium length, clean and slick, messy....do we think Dick should have one single haircut the way Superman and most other characters do (discounting the occasional mullet), or should Dick try to stick with the times and change his 'do occasionally? I could see him rocking one of those viking style cuts that seem popular right now....long on top, shaved on the sides and back....what's it called, a undercut or something? Damian has something like that too, only it's still fairly short on top.
Obviously a modern haircut could end up looking dated after a while, but that doesn't seem like much of a hurdle if you ask me. We might shake our heads at Superman's 90's mullet, but it doesn't really ruin the reading or anything.[/QUOTE]
It Should be at a length anything pass his shoulders is a no.I remember the mullet that turned into something else all togather, i thought the hair was helping him in fights at times same with superman. the one year later hair from brothers in blood should be the cut off length for him.
[QUOTE=Ascended;4943008]Actually, speaking of hair.....Dick's had a lot of haircuts over the years, short, long, medium length, clean and slick, messy....do we think Dick should have one single haircut the way Superman and most other characters do (discounting the occasional mullet), or should Dick try to stick with the times and change his 'do occasionally? I could see him rocking one of those viking style cuts that seem popular right now....long on top, shaved on the sides and back....what's it called, a undercut or something? Damian has something like that too, only it's still fairly short on top.
[/QUOTE]Damian's haircut is really just a classic short back and sides, lol.
[QUOTE=Rac7d*;4942692]That was his relaunched titans team MO and it was bad[/QUOTE]1. That wasn't dick MO as a solo hero.
2. By that logic dick shouldn't have a city either because it was bad.
The first time I saw Nightwing, he had the blue and yellow costume (still a good design I think) and his hair was shoulder length, but when I became a fan he had just got the black-blue costume and had the full on ass-length ponytail.
I was glad when it was cut short again during a fight, and went back to shoulder length (or maybe just slightly shorter than that). That ponytail was ridiculous even by 90's standards.
But for me, shoulder length is just right. I really dislike Dick having a short cut. Maybe I'm just jealous of his great hair. :D
[QUOTE=Digifiend;4942979]It wasn't perfect. I did think Steel was bland, there was nothing that made her stand out from Ironheart over at Marvel even though Natasha's been around far longer than Riri (and bear in mind how many people complain about Riri!). I think they only used her because they couldn't use Cyborg, who editorial insists is in a Justice League title, and didn't care about the girl behind the mask. She was just there to be the team's techie.
And the book did focus too much on Dick, who like I said, in hindsight shouldn't have even been in the book. But there's plenty of worse series than New Justice Titans.[/QUOTE]
Except the book didn’t focus on Dick, it just need him there to exists. Despite how it choose to present his character. He had no character arc or journey beyond look how awful I am. He was solely there to help facilitate and it made him continually pay for it. It was poorly thought out and just made a further mockery of the team.
I'm a bit of a square, but I prefer Dick with the clean cut look now. The long hair works for a just graduated and rebellious Robin stepping out onto his own, but he's no longer in that place right now. With two ex-Robin's behind him, he's lost his edge and had to step into mode of a leadership role.
That said... I really dig Seeley's drawing there.
Dick's hair from YJ season 2 on is about ideal, for me anyway.
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[QUOTE=Pohzee;4943585]I'm a bit of a square, but I prefer Dick with the clean cut look now. The long hair works for a just graduated and rebellious Robin stepping out onto his own, but he's no longer in that place right now. With two ex-Robin's behind him, he's lost his edge and had to step into mode of a leadership role.
That said... I really dig Seeley's drawing there.[/QUOTE]
I dunno man, Dick's only like 25 or so. He's still pretty damn young. And I don't think long hair is considered edgy anymore anyway?
Is shoulder length even considered long, or just medium?
[QUOTE=Jackalope89;4943593]Dick's hair from YJ season 2 on is about ideal, for me anyway.[/QUOTE]
It's a tad shorter than I'd like personally, but this right here is my #2 choice. He looks great on YJ. If only the comics treated him so well! :(
I mean, really, all that matters is that he has fabulous hair. :D But if Dick's supposed to be DC's official male sex symbol I feel like they could lean into it a bit and let him change his look now and then to match what's considered fashionable at any given time.
Oh, as a totally random aside, has anyone noticed that with the YJ emblem, if you drew a line between the top corners of the wings you'd have a Superman "S" shield style shape? Subtle shout out to his uncle, or design coincidence? You decide!!!!
YJ Superman isn't even close to Conner, let alone Dick.
[QUOTE=Ascended;4944006]I dunno man, Dick's only like 25 or so. He's still pretty damn young. And I don't think long hair is considered edgy any more anyway? Is shoulder length even considered long, or just medium?[/QUOTE]
Considering that his age was given as twenty during [I]Crisis on Infinite Earths[/I], I'd consider that unlikely assuming that you mean post-Rebirth and not during the redicuously inconsistent deaging period of Nu52, where he was called out as being only [I]twenty-one[/I]... that's Jason or more likely Tim based on the usual figures. I believe shoulder length hair is usually considered long for a guy and medium for a woman.
[QUOTE=Digifiend;4944323]YJ Superman isn't even close to Conner, let alone Dick.[/QUOTE]
I agree that YJ!Superman isn't close to Nightwing, however him not being close to Connor only lasted through s1, by [I]Invasion[/I] he had given Connor a personal "nickname" (Kon-El) and towards the end of [I]Outsiders[/I] they are close enough that Conner asks him to be his [I]best man[/I] (rather than Dick, Kaldur or one of the Harpers) which isn't something that you do for someone you're "not close too".
[QUOTE=Digifiend;4944323]YJ Superman isn't even close to Conner, let alone Dick.[/QUOTE]
I didn't mean in that specific continuity, just as a kind of quiet shout out to the characters' history.
[QUOTE=Shamrock Holmes;4944364]Considering that his age was given as twenty during [I]Crisis on Infinite Earths[/I], I'd consider that unlikely assuming that you mean post-Rebirth and not during the redicuously inconsistent deaging period of Nu52, where he was called out as being only [I]twenty-one[/I]... that's Jason or more likely Tim based on the usual figures[/QUOTE]
If we hadn't had things derailed by the New52, I'd guess Dick is around 28 or so now, give or take a year or two. I don't know if Rebirth changed Dick's age, unless we're including a ripple effect from stuff like Superman Reborn. Rebirth continuity is as messed up as New52 continuity, so I figured I'd split the difference between the 52's idiotic "Dick is only 21" crap and what I figure would be his proper age if not for reboots and Manhattan nonsense.
Either way, dude is still young.
[QUOTE] I believe shoulder length hair is usually considered long for a guy and medium for a woman.[/QUOTE]
Could be? I'm pretty far from an expert in hair. :p