Travis Moore should be rewarded after drawing the Ric mess and DC should keep him with the new creative team in March.
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Travis Moore should be rewarded after drawing the Ric mess and DC should keep him with the new creative team in March.
He can't finish an issue. Pretty art, but there is no way he can do a monthly.
[QUOTE=Avi;5192566]Nicola Scott did a little interview: [url]https://www.gamesradar.com/nicola-scott-returns-to-nightwing-for-future-state/[/url]
There isn't a lot she could say but she mentions a few general things:
[LIST][*] Nightwing's status and importance within Gotham and the general hero community plays a role[*] the story highlights how significant, important, and good at his job, Nightwing is[*] another significant character appears[*] selfcontained story[/LIST][/QUOTE]
I like the sound of all those things. Other than another significant character showing up. I don't give a rat's ass about that. But the rest sounds good.
[QUOTE=Avi;5192566]Nicola Scott did a little interview: [url]https://www.gamesradar.com/nicola-scott-returns-to-nightwing-for-future-state/[/url]
There isn't a lot she could say but she mentions a few general things:
[LIST][*] Nightwing's status and importance within Gotham and the general hero community plays a role[*] the story highlights how significant, important, and good at his job, Nightwing is[*] another significant character appears[*] selfcontained story[/LIST][/QUOTE]
Sounds good :).
So someone significant other than Luke's Batman? Could it be Barbara? Or Bruce?
I still find it hilarious how creatively bankrupt the are with the current Nightwing book. So Dick is going to go face off against KGBeast for shooting him in the head, but since he was shot we have had Bruce go after KGBeast and beat him nearly to death, we've had Damian go after KGBeast, and we have had Babs go after KGBeast all for shooting Dick in different stories from each other. Now we are getting a 4th story of Dick going after him. DC is desperately trying to scrape every last bit of content from this awful Ric story as they can. It is just so sad, lol.
[QUOTE=Badou;5192916]I still find it hilarious how creatively bankrupt the are with the current Nightwing book. So Dick is going to go face off against KGBeast for shooting him in the head, but since he was shot we have had Bruce go after KGBeast and beat him nearly to death, we've had Damian go after KGBeast, and we have had Babs go after KGBeast all for shooting Dick in different stories from each other. Now we are getting a 4th story of Dick going after him. DC is desperately trying to scrape every last bit of content from this awful Ric story as they can. It is just so sad, lol.[/QUOTE]
KGBeast is like Kamen Rider Thouser. Everyone needs a turn beating the tar out of him :p.
[QUOTE=Badou;5192916]I still find it hilarious how creatively bankrupt the are with the current Nightwing book. So Dick is going to go face off against KGBeast for shooting him in the head, but since he was shot we have had Bruce go after KGBeast and beat him nearly to death, we've had Damian go after KGBeast, and we have had Babs go after KGBeast all for shooting Dick in different stories from each other. Now we are getting a 4th story of Dick going after him. DC is desperately trying to scrape every last bit of content from this awful Ric story as they can. It is just so sad, lol.[/QUOTE]
I fully agree with you. It is creatively bankrupt. And a filler too. I mean, NW vs KGBeast will wrap up in #76. A significant portion of #75 will be about the Titans, then there will be some Bea drama and maybe some extra drama in #76 given the #77 solicitations, so I'm not sure if we'll even see a lot of KGBeast?
Just hang on a little longer, guys. Dick is back, he's supposedly running the show in Gotham for Future State, and then God willing, we will have a fresh start in March. We can get there.
[QUOTE=cc008;5193125]Just hang on a little longer, guys. Dick is back, he's supposedly running the show in Gotham for Future State, and then God willing, we will have a fresh start in March. We can get there.[/QUOTE]
I do think there might be light at the end of the tunnel. We'll have to see who is on the book in March.
But I'm not even mad about everyone going after the Beast. The Central City Rogues knew better than to seriously injury a Flash for this exact reason; you cross a line with one hero and *everyone* goes after you.
It just kinda makes me laugh to think of the KGBeast getting beat up by someone, then a week or two later leaving the hospital and there's another Bat waiting to send him back in....and then again.....hell this could be a new crime-fighting methodology; bury the villain in medical bills so steep they have to leave the country and go into hiding. :D
[QUOTE=CPSparkles;5192485]Dick has responsibilities or his own city to protect. Not to mention his Titans gig.
Honestly I'm glad Dick isn't taking over for this event. Dick shouldn't be a relief Batman when Batman has lots of experienced allies in Gotham already. Gimmicks/Stories like that contribute to him being treated like a sidekick
Morrison's Batman and Robin was an exception since that was a prolonged stint.[/QUOTE]
It just doesn't seem like there's enough justification if the city, and presumably the heroes, think that Bruce is dead. If he doesn't have to be Batman to protect Gotham in Bruce's absence why introduce another Batman?
I feel like Bludhaven has run its course, DC doesn't seem to give a crud about it.
The preview is just so boring. It reminds me why I'm fed up with DC Comics at this point. As fans we're in this constant state of "waiting" to move on from one status quo. Then you wait two years and THEN you have to wait for "transition period" to be concluded for a year or so. After that a new event happens and you have to wait for that phase to pass too. Quite frankly, I'm too old for that now, I want my wasted years to be given back.
In future state dick should be in his mid to late 30s right? Nightwing should have at least a night boy or night girl sidekick I hope.
Show that the nightwing "mythos" has grown in the last 10 years.
[QUOTE=Waterfall;5193904]The preview is just so boring. It reminds me why I'm fed up with DC Comics at this point. As fans we're in this constant state of "waiting" to move on from one status quo. Then you wait two years and THEN you have to wait for "transition period" to be concluded for a year or so. After that a new event happens and you have to wait for that phase to pass too. Quite frankly, I'm too old for that now, I want my wasted years to be given back.[/QUOTE]
Ya, no respect for their readers time or money. The goal is to try and desperately milk what they can, rather then provide a satisfying product. I’m pretty confident they know the product is poor here too even, and has been. This book especially represents the worst of comics and this tired practice.
Justice League #55 preview
[url]https://comic-watch.com/news/sneak-peek-preview-of-dc-comics-justice-league-55[/url]
[QUOTE=Ascended;5193383]I do think there might be light at the end of the tunnel. We'll have to see who is on the book in March.
But I'm not even mad about everyone going after the Beast. The Central City Rogues knew better than to seriously injury a Flash for this exact reason; you cross a line with one hero and *everyone* goes after you.
It just kinda makes me laugh to think of the KGBeast getting beat up by someone, then a week or two later leaving the hospital and there's another Bat waiting to send him back in....and then again.....hell this could be a new crime-fighting methodology; bury the villain in medical bills so steep they have to leave the country and go into hiding. :D[/QUOTE]
The real American nightmare right there. I felt that in my soul.
[QUOTE=Ascended;5193383]I do think there might be light at the end of the tunnel. We'll have to see who is on the book in March.
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We should be careful. The light at the end of the tunnel could be an oncoming train
Nightwing #75 is [spoil] boring, imo. None of the character beats were entirely right or fleshed out. Sure, Donna and Garth coming was nice, but they didn't get much to say. Barbara and Dick idk, were there I guess. Bruce was being Bruce and Bea was fine? Tis fake narrative of I cannot be Nightwing, but then immediately being Nightwing pulls it all down. Plus it's before BM #100 but Dick has the issue and ahhhhh, continuity! KGBeast is kinda bland, dunno how other arcs handled him? Makes no sense that he takes Bea hostage. Not sure what to think of the Alfred narration, especially because Dick morns Alfred but doesn't even say a word about Damian. Won't be buying the next issue that's for sure. [/spoil]
Justice League #55 [spoil] had a few good moments again and was pretty solid. Still enjoying it and Dick's character design is slowly becoming one of my favourites. It just has sth. [/spoil]
I really love how even Dick Grayson is tired of Nightwing fanboyisms. if Bea dies though, i think there goes any good will I've slowly built for Dick Grayson.
[QUOTE=lemonpeace;5196727]I really love how even Dick Grayson is tired of Nightwing fanboyisms. if Bea dies though, i think there goes any good will I've slowly built for Dick Grayson.[/QUOTE]
Why should the good will towards Dick be tied to a character intrinsically connected to one of the worst periods of his publication?
It's not like she's been part of anything good.
So #75, oh boy where to start. I guess if you don’t much like Nightwing this would be the issue for you. From top to bottom this is just a poorly written comic. One that seems to confused about its objective. Despite the cover Nightwing barely appears, and really for all intents and purposes this is just Ric with Dicks memories. He still wants to dress like Ric, he bitches like Ric, he still wants to date Ric’s girl, and prettying much just wants to reject his old self. It doesn’t make any sense, and seems to fight against the very purpose of bringing Dick back. Leaving us to just ask, as with Ric, who is this for. Potential readers who would be excited Nightwing is back, only for him to bitch about being back and try to cling to the shit that has been driving readers away. Its nonsensical. It’s why as long as Jurgens is on this book there was never any point to bringing Dick back. He doesn’t get it, he is never going to get its, and at this point he is just taking shit out on the very audience they are trying to lure back. Doing shit like taking shots at Nightwing with not being part of the JL, despite currently starring in the JL. Cause I don’t know if I said this but this guy is so out of touch it’s ridiculous.
Oh and as to the art. Moore basically just does the preview and a few pages in the middle, as usual, and the it’s back to the generic stuff to do all the rest. It’s such a trap. The Titans too was just a fan service trap as they served no actual purpose.
[QUOTE=SiegePerilous02;5196818]Why should the good will towards Dick be tied to a character intrinsically connected to one of the worst periods of his publication?
It's not like she's been part of anything good.[/QUOTE]
It shouldn’t. Bea is a nothing of a character who’s only purpose is to be bait. The fact that there isn’t a clear spreation with Dick and Ric is so off the mark it’s absurd that anyone on this book has there job.
[QUOTE=SiegePerilous02;5196818]Why should the good will towards Dick be tied to a character intrinsically connected to one of the worst periods of his publication?
It's not like she's been part of anything good.[/QUOTE]
I hate fridging, it's dumb and lazy, and I'm just barely mustering the goodwill to care enough get into Nightwing. while I really like him with bea, I wouldn't be broken up about it if they broke up, go their separate says, but if they go that route I'm fine dropping him again and giving him another shoot x amount of years later. Dick Grayson, Ric Grayson, it's the same character who's only so-so interesting without weak story beats like that bogging down his enjoyability. at least Ric was an actually story arc (even if people are winging too much to acknowledge that).
I like Bea but it's true that she is too closely tied to Ric. As long as she continues to be part of Nightwing Ric will always be part of Nightwing too. If this had been an actually thought out arc and a good run, that might have been great because it would have finally added to the Nightwing lore but it isn't. All I can hope for is that they will have a proper heart-to-heart before they go their separate ways after Dick has kicked KGBeast's ass even if I think an assassin taking someone hostage instead of just killing them is a stupid assassin. But, considering how the heart-to-hearts went this issue, expect for the ghost, I don't see that happening.
[QUOTE=lemonpeace;5196843]I hate fridging, it's dumb and lazy, and I'm just barely mustering the goodwill to care enough get into Nightwing. while I really like him with bea, I wouldn't be broken up about it if they broke up, go their separate says, but if they go that route I'm fine dropping him again and giving him another shoot x amount of years later. Dick Grayson, Ric Grayson, it's the same character who's only so-so interesting without weak story beats like that bogging down his enjoyability. at least Ric was an actually story arc (even if people are winging too much to acknowledge that).[/QUOTE]
She is pretty much fridged every arc at this point, it doesn’t make any sense she is still alive at this point. Her only purpose is to be dangled by villains. Ric entire story arc was built on weak story beats (even if people don’t like Dick cause too many others do acknowledge it).
[QUOTE=lemonpeace;5196843]I hate fridging, it's dumb and lazy, and I'm just barely mustering the goodwill to care enough get into Nightwing. while I really like him with bea, I wouldn't be broken up about it if they broke up, go their separate says, but if they go that route I'm fine dropping him again and giving him another shoot x amount of years later. Dick Grayson, Ric Grayson, it's the same character who's only so-so interesting without weak story beats like that bogging down his enjoyability. at least Ric was an actually story arc (even if people are winging too much to acknowledge that).[/QUOTE]
Fridging is bad in general, and it'd be more tasteful to quietly write her out of the book. But she's also a non-character tied to a horrible storyline and not someone of importance. This wouldn't be Kory or Babs getting fridged here. It'd be stupid, but it would just be a dumb end to her dumb existence.
It very much is not the same character. Saying this stuff in an appreciation thread for a character you don't like and going to bat for Bea of all plot devices is certainly an...odd choice.
Yeah, Bea is a complete non character. About as interesting as a bowl of cornflakes. Don't get how anyone could like her. I'm hoping they kill her and all the fake Nightwings off since at least it would be unexpected. Of course they won't though, but I'd rather have these worthless characters go out with a bang than just fade off into irrelevance. At least try and get some value out of them in this disaster of a run.
But fuck me. I can't believe they are STILL going on about this "I don't know who I am and need to find myself" garbage. He was saying the exact same things as Ric. It's been two years and nothing has changed. It's like the story is just running into a brick wall over and over while the writer is trying to act that he is digging deep into who Dick is as a character, but he isn't. Jurgens doesn't understand the character at all. Saying that Dick enjoyed his time as Ric even though all he did was just act like a generic superhero in an awful costume, complain about it the whole time, and get constantly manipulated by villains over and over. Then on top of that he treated Alfred like crap and wasn't there for his friends and allies when they needed him, but yeah, Ric was a swell time for him. Again these writers are trying to push this idea that Dick cares so desperately for a normal life when in reality it is completely counter to who Dick is and has been, but for some reason they still try to push it and it always falls flat.
Also trying to act like he is so in love with Bea that he he questioning if he should give up his old life as Nightwing and everyone associated with it for her is beyond stupid. Who cares. It's so frustrating. I'm so done with these worthless original love interests that are just deadweight in a story. And of course we get Donna, Garth, Bruce, Barbara, and ghost Alfred show up but still no mention of Damian, Wally, or Roy and everything that happened with them while Dick was apparently living his best life as Ric. Having Donna and Garth act super happy that Dick is back despite no mention of why they didn't try to help him just leaves a bad taste in my mouth. Also I have no clue how any of this takes place before Batman #100. That whole part with Bruce hanging up the Nightwing costume on top of a building and acting like it was going to be a surprise gift for Dick was so bizarre.
Bea was one of the only things I liked about the Ric saga and I was kinda hoping she and Dick would stay together for a bit. But since that's looking less and less likely, I guess writing her out is the next logical step...I'd just rather it not be by killing her. I woudn't be broken up if she got fridged but I'd prefer she didn't. You don't have to kill a character every time you run out of things to do with them. Especially someone as minor as her. Just have her and Dick come to a mutual understanding and let her walk off into sunset, only to be seen whenever Dick calls in a favor from those fake Nightwings.
[QUOTE=Godlike13;5196869]She is pretty much fridged every arc at this point, it doesn’t make any sense she is still alive at this point. Her only purpose is to be dangled by villains. [/QUOTE]
I really hate how true that is -___-
[QUOTE=lemonpeace;5196843]I hate fridging, it's dumb and lazy, and I'm just barely mustering the goodwill to care enough get into Nightwing. while I really like him with bea, I wouldn't be broken up about it if they broke up, go their separate says, but if they go that route I'm fine dropping him again and giving him another shoot x amount of years later. Dick Grayson, Ric Grayson, it's the same character who's only so-so interesting without weak story beats like that bogging down his enjoyability. at least Ric was an actually story arc (even if people are winging too much to acknowledge that).[/QUOTE]
Are they ever not actually story arc? Of course is a story arc, one with so little substance that the character had to lose his memory three times in two years, but yes a story arc.
Bea probably will play out the same way that amnesic Bruce's girlfriend went.
[QUOTE=Rakiduam;5197120]Are they ever not actually story arc? Of course is a story arc, one with so little substance that the character had to lose his memory three times in two years, but yes a story arc.
Bea probably will play out the same way that amnesic Bruce's girlfriend went.[/QUOTE]
Wasn't that a revamped Julie Madison?
Did she just piss off on back to limbo once that was over?
[QUOTE=SiegePerilous02;5197220]Wasn't that a revamped Julie Madison?
Did she just piss off on back to limbo once that was over?[/QUOTE]
Yes
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Yeah. It was All-Star Batman, BatCat, Metal, Justice League, so she's not appearing anywhere ever
Julie Madison in Snyder's run was Bea done right. In that Superheavy arc by Snyder she represented the life Bruce could have had if he was only Bruce Wayne and Batman never existed. Then when he got his memories back he knew that going back to Batman would close the door on that potential life with her, which it did. There was also a very clear difference between Bruce as he was without his memories and Bruce with them. Which made sense because if there wasn't then he wouldn't really be giving up anything by going back to Batman. That arc would be pointless if he was the same all through it.
With Jurgens he is trying to say there is no difference between Dick or Ric. That as Ric he was still himself all along, which makes this whole terrible arc pointless. Even in the latest issue Dick is still questioning himself if he wants to be Nightwing. There was no moment in this whole arc where Dick accepted who he is with his memories and embraced it. Where he is resolute in his decision the way Bruce was when he accepted his memories of being Batman and all the responsibilities that came with it. It's just Dick/Ric complaining or being uncertain of himself again. That whole scene with Donna and Garth talking about how great those early Titans days were and Dick is basically coming across as thinking those days weren't that good. It's so tone deaf. No reader or fan wants to see that. Then he is desperately trying to convince Bea that he is still Ric and that nothing will have to change. It's so frustrating.
Of course the problem with this whole arc is that Dick as Ric was doing the exact same things he was doing as Dick, just more ineffectually. Since he was just running around as a costumed hero and fighting the same villains as always, but somehow he is still unsure if he wants that? How does that make sense? We haven't seen him do anything else other than drive a cab for a few panels. The writers failed to set up any kind of alternative despite having so many fucking issues. Bruce when he lost his memories was living a completely different life. Since it was trying to represent the life he could have had without Batman. Also it was Alfred that decided not to give him his memories back. Alfred wanted Bruce to live a life without burden and danger because he cared about him so much. Which was smart because it wasn't Bruce rejecting his memories as Batman, complaining about his old life he doesn't remember, and acting kind of awful to the people that he is supposed to care about. Which of course is what happened with the Ric story where Dick did all three of those things.
This whole arc was written and managed so poorly that I can't understand how anyone can defend it. Like every single decision from the very beginning was just the creators stumbling over themselves and falling into a hole they kept on digging.
I'm running back here after I saw some spoiler image because of course I'm not buying this and... WHY IS HE KEEPING THAT AWFUL HALF-BUCKY COSTUME DIDN'T JOKER GAVE HIM THAT oh wait no that's what he wore before Joker came around... that's his I'm Looking For My True Self Suit BUT HE CHANGED IT TO A NIGHTWING COSTUME WHEN HE GOT HIS MEMORY BACK EFF OFF
Dick as Ric is doing the same thing as Dick and now Dick as Dick is doing the same thing as Ric... honestly just... stop. You're dragging this thing to 2021.
[QUOTE=Restingvoice;5197340]I'm running back here after I saw some spoiler image because of course I'm not buying this and... WHY IS HE KEEPING THAT AWFUL HALF-BUCKY COSTUME DIDN'T JOKER GAVE HIM THAT oh wait no that's what he wore before Joker came around... that's his I'm Looking For My True Self Suit BUT HE CHANGED IT TO A NIGHTWING COSTUME WHEN HE GOT HIS MEMORY BACK EFF OFF
Dick as Ric is doing the same thing as Dick and now Dick as Dick is doing the same thing as Ric... honestly just... stop. You're dragging this thing to 2021.[/QUOTE]
Please buy it , we need to tick nightwing sales back up now that Dick is back. Bea needs to vanish into the abyss, they cant kill her due to the political climate but she needs to go
[QUOTE=Rac7d*;5197681]Please buy it , we need to tick nightwing sales back up now that Dick is back. Bea needs to vanish into the abyss, they cant kill her due to the political climate but she needs to go[/QUOTE]
But Dick isn't back, not really, and the oversized Issue really isn't worth the extra money.
I regretted purchasing it the second I saw the price tag and reading the Issue didn't help. Dan Jurgens is still right there. Though, I might return for #77 depending on who the kindred spirit is.
[QUOTE=Rac7d*;5197681]Please buy it , we need to tick nightwing sales back up now that Dick is back. Bea needs to vanish into the abyss, they cant kill her due to the political climate but she needs to go[/QUOTE]
Sorry dude, I don't give a ****
I'm not your usual DC fans who's beholden to a series. If I think the character's better written in other books, then I'd rather his solo gone and have him in that other book coz then I'll actually enjoy it.
Also, this is Dick. He'll survive a cancellation or two.
DC needs to show that they earn my trust first before coming back, and that means actually showing me a good story, and a minimum of 3 years of not bothering with his story arc and supporting cast, because they've shown I can't trust them with just 1-2 years anymore.
That standard will rise up every time they mess with him, so if they mess him after 4 years next time, I'm gonna freaking wait 5 years. **** them.
I'll give you this though, I don't think they're gonna kill Bea, not because of politic, because some DC writers are that unaware and I don't know where this one stands, but because Dick as at this point where he doubts becoming Nightwing again, and losing Bea will make him think Nightwing is not worth it.
[QUOTE=Avi;5196609]Nightwing #75 is [spoil] boring, imo. None of the character beats were entirely right or fleshed out. Sure, Donna and Garth coming was nice, but they didn't get much to say. Barbara and Dick idk, were there I guess. Bruce was being Bruce and Bea was fine? Tis fake narrative of I cannot be Nightwing, but then immediately being Nightwing pulls it all down. Plus it's before BM #100 but Dick has the issue and ahhhhh, continuity! KGBeast is kinda bland, dunno how other arcs handled him? Makes no sense that he takes Bea hostage. Not sure what to think of the Alfred narration, especially because Dick morns Alfred but doesn't even say a word about Damian. Won't be buying the next issue that's for sure. [/spoil]
[/QUOTE][spoil]The Titans scene is before #100, but everything with him actually in the Nightwing suit should be after.
As for KGBeast, you're right - honestly, they could do worse than to apply some of Arrow's characterisation of Anatoly onto him.[/spoil]
[QUOTE=Rac7d*;5197681]Please buy it , we need to tick nightwing sales back up now that Dick is back. Bea needs to vanish into the abyss, they cant kill her due to the political climate but she needs to go[/QUOTE]
If they gave a crap about the books sales then the first thing they do with Nightwing on his return shouldn’t have been to let Ric’s writer try and tell people how he’s the same character people have been rejecting, and showed little interest in reading about these last 2 years. It’s brain dead stupid the mentality on this book and the unfortunate reality of how they are operating with this book is that the books sales are probably doomed.
They let Jurgens waste the return on his way out, and a new creative team just isn’t going to be enough to rebound the book’s sales. Not unless its a big name team, which is never going to happen. I know people were banking on a line-wide relaunch to save the character, but as we know that’s not happening. So Dick is kind of screwed. Wasting this return like they are is going to more more harmful then people thought.
[QUOTE=Rac7d*;5197681]Please buy it , we need to tick nightwing sales back up now that Dick is back. Bea needs to vanish into the abyss, they cant kill her due to the political climate but she needs to go[/QUOTE]
As happy as I am that Dick is back, I won't buy a sh*t product just for the sake of supporting the IP. We do that, and all we're telling DC is that we'll swallow any amount of crap they shove at us, so long as Dick's called Dick and is wearing the right costume.
Rather than buy a subpar product like #75, what we should do (and what we should've been doing over the past two years) is buy trades of older material (Year One) and OGN's like Lost Carnival, buying t-shirts, toys, magnets, any merchandise at all, and sending (polite but unsatisfied) messages to DC's social media pages. We need to support the character in a way that doesn't reward DC for halfassed effort.
We should also go out of our way to buy the upcoming Nightwing products with a different writer. We need to show DC that we're willing to give the book a chance, and that we'll stand by it if it's worth reading. So those Future State issues? Grab them. Even if you're not familiar with the writer or you don't like the sound of the story, get that first issue to show DC you're willing to give Nightwing a shot under different creators. If the first issue doesn't work for you, don't get the second, but show DC you're willing to try it. Same with Snyder's mini, the current JL arc, etc. We need to show DC that they can make good money off this character, but that we won't accept bottom-of-the-barrel creators. We need to show DC we will support Nightwing, but that we won't support more crap stories like Ric.
What's in store for Nightwing after Future State?
We know Snyder's backing off the mainline DCU but is working on a Nightwing thing which is nice. We don't have an artist for that I don't think but I'm curious who anybody would want to see on art detail for that. I think Jock could be good because of the full circle with Black Mirror. Same for Francisco Francavilla. But their styles don't scream Nightwing as much as Batman, and I tend to like Jock more on one-off issues, not for whole runs. Capullo's probably moving onto a different project. Mikel Janin's doing that Wonder Woman jam.
So I'm curious who anyone might like to see.
Yea I'm not investing in nightwing until dc invest in nightwing. I'm done with Batman lite, I'm done with Batman sidekick, I'm done with nightwing being some irrelevant side character who's only relevant when Batman needs fodder or the batfamily needs hugs.
Until Nightwing truly becomes his own man and dc decides to invest in that I'm not buying no nightwing comics. DC what's my money than earn it.
I still want nightwing out of the bat office and books, there overcrowded and dick his independence more than anything.