[QUOTE=Ascended;4856843]Also, on the returned topic of love interests? The only correct answer is Power Girl. :D[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=Ascended;4856843]Also, on the returned topic of love interests? The only correct answer is Power Girl. :D[/QUOTE]
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Or Zatanna.
[QUOTE=bearman;4857411]Or Zatanna.[/QUOTE]
Why are people upset that raven has been aged down so to a point where she can be a peer to Damian
But forget zatanna was one to Bruce? Or even Barbra for that matter
Cause humans aren’t a hive mind :p
[QUOTE=Rac7d*;4857450]Why are people upset that raven has been aged down so to a point where she can be a peer to Damian
But forget zatanna was one to Bruce? Or even Barbra for that matter[/QUOTE]Not just a peer, a love interest - at least in the cartoons.
[QUOTE=Rac7d*;4857450]Why are people upset that raven has been aged down so to a point where she can be a peer to Damian
But forget zatanna was one to Bruce? Or even Barbra for that matter[/QUOTE]
Cartoons are a powerful thing. Zatanna's brief love interest with Dick in YJ was hella cute. And then Dick and Babs in BtaS.
Yeah power girl or zatanna would be great. I like babs as a character but not a love interest for nightwing.
Dick needs someone who isn't strongly tied to the bat mythos. It makes him into a glorified sidekick, I mean look at his solo right now.
He's fighting batman's villains, batfamily supporting character that some fans want all the time and a bat mythos love interest is just to much, there's a huge dcu out there.
Nightwing ends up nothing more than a batman side book. Dick deserves better and nightwing deserves more than everything batman side character/book.
[QUOTE=WonderNight;4858142]Yeah power girl or zatanna would be great. I like babs as a character but not a love interest for nightwing.
Dick needs someone who isn't strongly tied to the bat mythos. It makes him into a glorified sidekick, I mean look at his solo right now.
He's fighting batman's villains, batfamily supporting character that some fans want all the time and a bat mythos love interest is just to much, there's a huge dcu out there.
Nightwing ends up nothing more than a batman side book. Dick deserves better and nightwing deserves more than everything batman side character/book.[/QUOTE]
It’s not the the bat mythos it’s just the office
Ya, it’s not fair to blame the Bat mythos for bad writing and lazy creators who keep retelling the same Gotham villain comes to Bludhaven bit. Not that Dick doesn’t need to get the hell out of that current umbrella right now.
Really they should have used some Bluhaven villains, even though I know Bludhaven villains are not the cream of the crop. Still the whole premise behind them ripping off We Are Robin was that Bludhaven needed Nightwings. Yet all they do is recycle fighting against Gotham villains for the most part.
Oh don't get me wrong I'm not blaming the bat mythos, just pointing out that if all the important roles in nightwing ( love interest, support characters and villains) are being filled with someone else's mythos batman's. It limits dick greatly and leaves him as a glorified sidekick.
I mean what was the point in making him nightwing if everything about him is going to be batman.
[QUOTE=Ascended;4856843]Also, on the returned topic of love interests? The only correct answer is Power Girl. :D[/QUOTE]
Has Dick ever interacted with Power Girl?
[QUOTE=xiyon;4859014]Has Dick ever interacted with Power Girl?[/QUOTE]read power girl #16 & 17
I'm curious I have seen this every now and then that Tim overall beats Dick in skills. What do you guys think about that? I mean in terms skill who really is better? Honestly, I feel that they are equal. It's more Dick as the experience. Also, I get writers who don't want to get tied down. But ever so often I feel a little they should. I feel Nightwing suffers from at times what Wonder Woman goes through. She isn't right now. But for many runs, they just like to restart her or just make changes that don't need to be done. They don't do anything new.
[QUOTE=WonderNight;4859049]read power girl #16 & 17[/QUOTE]
Is that it? In his whole 80 year history? Plus she tend be active on earth alternate to any with a supergirl
[QUOTE=Rac7d*;4859465]Is that it? In his whole 80 year history? Plus she tend be active on earth alternate to any with a supergirl[/QUOTE]
She and the other JSA members helped Dick move into his NYC apartment I think in Tomasi's run, but I don't think she had any dialogue with him. The two have barely interacted. They just operate in different parts of the DUC.
Since the JLA refuse to do the obvious thing, I hope Dick joins the JSA
[QUOTE=xiyon;4859014]Has Dick ever interacted with Power Girl?[/QUOTE]
Not a ton. On top of what others already mentioned, they worked together in the pre-52 Justice League a bit too.
They haven't interacted much at all. Yet. That's pretty easy to fix. :p
[QUOTE=AmiMizuno;4859302]I'm curious I have seen this every now and then that Tim overall beats Dick in skills. What do you guys think about that?[/QUOTE]
Who says that?
I think Tim's better at *some* stuff. He's a better detective and better with technology. I don't like the hyper genius he was in the New52 and Rebirth but he's always been the "smart" Robin. But Tim's most certainly not as good an athlete or fighter, he's not close to being as good a leader. He's not nearly as good with women. :p
Yeah, I'd say Dick's the best athlete among the Robins, Jason's the best with firearms, Tim's the best detective and technology expert (among the Robins - Babs definitely has him beat on the tech but he's good enough that it was a long time before he even interacted with Oracle), and Damian's the best with melee weapons. Nobody's got top marks on everything.
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[quote]Puppets, an 8-page story Nightwing story written by Steve Orlando with art by Tom Lyle
As a child, Dick Grayson saw his world come crashing down when his parents were killed by mobster Tony Zucco. Now Zucco's son has been kidnapped by the Ventriloquist, and Nightwing is his only chance to make it home alive. Dick must make a choice: How far is he willing to go to save the son of the man he hates most?[/quote]
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[QUOTE=Digifiend;4860678]Yeah, I'd say Dick's the best athlete among the Robins, Jason's the best with firearms, Tim's the best detective and technology expert (among the Robins - Babs definitely has him beat on the tech but he's good enough that it was a long time before he even interacted with Oracle), and Damian's the best with melee weapons. Nobody's got top marks on everything.
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Dick dated Zucco's daughter once so that's not even a question, but this story is more for casual fans.
[QUOTE=Rac7d*;4859465]Is that it? In his whole 80 year history? Plus she tends to be active on earth alternate to any with a supergirl[/QUOTE]
Pre-Crisis, they're both members of... was it JSA or JLA? JSA I think. The Earth-2 one.
[QUOTE=Digifiend;4860678]Yeah, I'd say Dick's the best athlete among the Robins, Jason's the best with firearms, Tim's the best detective and technology expert (among the Robins - Babs definitely has him beat on the tech but he's good enough that it was a long time before he even interacted with Oracle), and Damian's the best with melee weapons. Nobody's got top marks on everything.[/QUOTE]I don't think firearms and melee weapons are really defining skills for Jason and Damian.
Jason isn't Deadshot, he wasn't even carrying pistols in a lot of issues since the costume redesign, and during Under the Red Hood his main weapon was his Knife and not his pistols.
Damians iirc also not used swords in quite some time.
And Dick has also shown to be quite good with guns and sword on several occasions.
I’m curious to how often should Nightwing appear in Batfam comics? We might now stop writers from having him appear but how often would help
I don't care if Dick shows up in Batman comics. I'm glad when he does. That's good exposure, though if we're being honest most people reading Batman are aware of Nightwing and a cameo isn't likely to draw many readers to Dick's book if they're not there already. But still, I'm cool with Dick hanging with the Bat family. That's *his* family too. I just don't want Dick treated like a sidekick, and I don't want his solo book under the heel of another title. Not Batman's, or Superman's, or the Titan's, or anyone. Dick should be his own man. But he can still go home to visit.
Personally I tend to like the "civilian clothes" appearances more than the superhero team up's. It's always nice to see Dick kick ass with Bruce, but I tend to value the times they just hang out, in real people clothes, and we get a real look at them and their dynamic.
In the Batman comics is he at least written well. Also I hope with Dido gone they speed up Dick coming check. You literally have many choices for him. Diana could heal Dick quickly.
Also has Dick gotten the name Nightwing from Clark or it’s something else.
Dick did get it from Clark. He was inspired by the legends that Superman had told him about.
Yeah, the story of the Flamebird and Nightwing is part of Kryptonian Rao myth. The Flamebird, a deity of death and rebirth, was married to Vohc, a god of creation. He'd build things, and the Flamebird would burn them all down to be remade. He got to keep inventing and building new things, pushing his creativity, while she got to burn stuff. It worked. For a time.
At one point, Vohc introduced his friend Nightwing (a god who hunted in the shadows for evil that sun god Rao couldn't find) to Flamebird, and the two began an affair. Vohc builds a new thing, a testament to his love of Flamebird. Rohc begs her not to destroy this one thing he's made. But, because it's her role, purpose, and job, she does anyway, despite truly loving the monument. Between this and the affair Rohc loses his mind, and goes from being the "builder" to the "breaker" and I *think* he kills the Nightwing (or the Flamebird, or both?) thus setting the Nightwing and Flamebird on an eternal cycle of rebirth much like Hawkman and Hawkgirl's; they must find each other over and over again only to be betrayed by a friend.
Clark told all of this to Dick, along with other stories and things from Krypton, when Dick was still a kid. This is back when Robin actually hung out with Superman a fair bit, even without Bruce around. So when Dick decides to build his own heroic identity, he takes the name Nightwing from that story.
What if Dick just went back to Haley Circus? He would Travel and not be in one city. He can return to bludhaven when the circus returns
Or Bludhaven can work but why not have Nightwing be in the entertainment industry
Not exactly helpful with his secret identity, is it? If Nightwing appeared in every place the circus did, it would seem pretty obvious that he himself is part of the circus.
True. He could be part of a acrobat team in bluhaven. I mean other than acrobatics. What other field could work. If we were to go to the entertainment field for Grayson which would work? I mean Bludhaven shouldn’t be trying to be a ripoff of Gotham. Rather a mix of Gotham and Metropolis. If we take one of the best or worst part than maybe Bluhaven can work. I mean Metropolis is way safety and clean. The worst part of metropolis? Gotham is really just crime
Bludhaven can’t be Gotham since Dick ain’t Bruce.
[QUOTE=Digifiend;4863851]Not exactly helpful with his secret identity, is it? If Nightwing appeared in every place the circus did, it would seem pretty obvious that he himself is part of the circus.[/QUOTE]
I mean, it would depend on how well known Dick is wouldn't it? And how visible Nightwing is.
If Dick is a main attraction and he's got posters with "The Flying Grayson" all over town, and then Nightwing shows up ten minutes later shaking hands with people and posing for selfies, then yeah that *could* become a problem.
But if Nightwing isn't putting himself out there for the public to see? Then at most he's just a blurry photograph someone snapped of some random vigilante (of which the DCU has tons) and there's no real reason to connect that to Dick.
Besides, it's the DCU. No one figures out that Superman, who makes his home in Metropolis, looks exactly like Clark Kent, who also lives in Metropolis. No one figures out that Batman must go through so much money that only a handful of people could afford to be him, and ultra rich Bruce Wayne came back to town just when Batman first debuted. If people aren't going to put these things together, then I doubt they'd put together Dick Grayson's identity either.
As for Ami's question; yeah I'd support Dick returning to Haly's. It's one of the few things that is well and truly his
[QUOTE=Ascended;4864057]I mean, it would depend on how well known Dick is wouldn't it? And how visible Nightwing is.
If Dick is a main attraction and he's got posters with "The Flying Grayson" all over town, and then Nightwing shows up ten minutes later shaking hands with people and posing for selfies, then yeah that *could* become a problem.
But if Nightwing isn't putting himself out there for the public to see? Then at most he's just a blurry photograph someone snapped of some random vigilante (of which the DCU has tons) and there's no real reason to connect that to Dick.
Besides, it's the DCU. No one figures out that Superman, who makes his home in Metropolis, looks exactly like Clark Kent, who also lives in Metropolis. No one figures out that Batman must go through so much money that only a handful of people could afford to be him, and ultra rich Bruce Wayne came back to town just when Batman first debuted. If people aren't going to put these things together, then I doubt they'd put together Dick Grayson's identity either.
As for Ami's question; yeah I'd support Dick returning to Haly's. It's one of the few things that is well and truly his[/QUOTE]yeah and move zatanna to bludhaven to help sell it as a entertainment city and a star performer.
Give zee something outside of JLD.
Zee, for sure. I never complain about her showing up somewhere.
Could bring in Mister Miracle, or Black Canary, boxing matches with Ted Grant....there's some interesting guest star possibilities.
So has anyone seen the Nightwing's Escrima stick props by NECA displayed at the New York Toy Fair. [ATTACH=CONFIG]93921[/ATTACH]
If he returns to Haly's how should it be handled? I feel maybe there could be there. Haley Circus works in two ways. Doing the winter they stay in Bludhaven and other seasons they travel. This also makes me wonder how will Dick get his tech in hiding? WHat criminals will he hunt down?
There's no going back to Haley's. Not with the Court of Owls story.
I mean DC has been retconning many things. But I'm just saying in general. What if there were to be a rewrite. A what-if. Things can't go on like this for Nightwing. I mean if he did stay in Bludhaven the city needs to match him. How do you rewrite this city? I say colorful and cheer in the morning but to match nightwings terrible and scary.
They tried to rewrite the city, lasted one or two creators before they brought in their good old boys and generic artists who didn't really care, and so just ignored it and reverted right back to the bland boring looking city we currently see in his book. They proven it a pointless endeavor.
And Haley's has been too corrupted now. The Court are too popular, and they need Haley's to be a place of hidden horror. Dick can't go home again, cause his home is now a lie.
[QUOTE=Kaled;4864597]So has anyone seen the Nightwing's Escrima stick props by NECA displayed at the New York Toy Fair. [ATTACH=CONFIG]93921[/ATTACH][/QUOTE]
These are nice.
In other words what’s the point of trying to fix Nightwing ? I mean the court of owls are more Batman than Nightwing. If we want a court it has to be one that makes sense. Dick could just be a Private Investigator. That’s the only other way. Or just straight up reboot
[QUOTE=Godlike13;4864911]There's no going back to Haley's. Not with the Court of Owls story.[/QUOTE]
Even if that's still in continuity, or will be after the next round of retcons and reboots, that sort of thing is pretty easy to undo.
I mean, this is DC. They've completely and utterly changed every facet of Krypton, often within a continuity. Haly's isn't a challenge. And given how the Court has been written lately, with all the stupid, pointless, nonsensical plots they've been behind, you could say the whole Haly's thing from the New52 was some weird Court plot, and not even have to worry about it making sense.
[QUOTE=AmiMizuno;4865551]In other words what’s the point of trying to fix Nightwing ? I mean the court of owls are more Batman than Nightwing. If we want a court it has to be one that makes sense. Dick could just be a Private Investigator. That’s the only other way. Or just straight up reboot[/QUOTE]
There is no point in going backwards, trying “fix” the character old pitfalls. That has proven to just be an excuse for the current Bat office to get away with being lazy. They fix Nightwing by moving on to trying new pastures. With fresh creators and new ideas.
[QUOTE=Ascended;4865556]Even if that's still in continuity, or will be after the next round of retcons and reboots, that sort of thing is pretty easy to undo.
I mean, this is DC. They've completely and utterly changed every facet of Krypton, often within a continuity. Haly's isn't a challenge. And given how the Court has been written lately, with all the stupid, pointless, nonsensical plots they've been behind, you could say the whole Haly's thing from the New52 was some weird Court plot, and not even have to worry about it making sense.[/QUOTE]
The Haley’s thing from the New 52 was a weird Court plot, yet nevertheless important to the Court’s mythology. It’s not something I see them undoing as they seem to value the Court. It’s also their lazy go to with Dick.