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Who is excited for the Nightwing book and Dick's character to be dragged into another event/crossover! I'm sure the Joker War story is going to use Dick wonderfully like they always do in these kind of things, and won't throw him under the bus and have him do nothing worthwhile all in order to sacrifice him to push some Batman narrative forward.
Dick is still Ric in Pennyworth RIP. I'm canceling. I'm not picking an issue as long as that thing is still canon, and if someone dares to ask if I'm overreacting, I, and many others already explained in long posts the past months why I hate that decision, why it's objectively a bad decision, and I'm not explaining again. Find my previous posts if you like.
I like the idea of Alfred's death because it's not something I see often, decades, in fact, so it should be something I look forward to as a story, but I don't like King's story surrounding it, so I'm not picking that up. I was willing to be partially immersed for this one issue but now with Dick is still Ric in the eulogy, I can't, so I'm not picking that up either.
If Dic is still Ric in the memorial issue, he shouldn’t even be there. It’s that simple. It makes no sense. These kinds of nonsensical half measures that please no one, just undercut both sides of the coin.
This is exactly part of why Ric went right to the pooper. This is Ric, he’s not Dick but he still lives in Bludhaven and does more or less the same shit Dick did at his most boring. This is a new direction, but here are old fashion creators that don’t operate in new or interesting ways. This way of doing things is just buffoonish.
Though did I read that editors note right, the issue takes place prior to Nightwing Annual #2. How do they figure that one lol.
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Though did I read that editors note right, the issue takes place prior to Nightwing Annual #2. How do they figure that one lol.[/QUOTE]
Does that even work? Because everything in Nightwing Annual 2 takes place before Nightwing #50 and Alfred visits Dick in Nightwing #51...which would be impossible if he was dead.
Exactly. It absolutely doesn’t work. I guess it could be a typo and its referring to Annual 3, but in that case why would they even be telling us this takes place before something that doesn’t come out for another 3 months give or take.
I really dislike Bludhaven. I hope when 5G hits Dick goes back to Spyral. I just find Bludhaven to be a more bland and less interesting Gotham
[QUOTE=Godlike13;4823732]Exactly. It absolutely doesn’t work. I guess it could be a typo and its referring to Annual 3, but in that case why would they even be telling us this takes place before something that doesn’t come out for another 3 months give or take.[/QUOTE]
I just love it when DC tries to establish some continuity between titles with editor's notes, but when you think about it for a few seconds it makes even less sense.
Before I saw the note I simply assumed this took place when Ric just started to regain his memories, but wasn't fully back to being Dick yet. Or whatever happened in the last few Nightwing issues.
[QUOTE=Ansa;4823722]Does that even work? Because everything in Nightwing Annual 2 takes place before Nightwing #50 and Alfred visits Dick in Nightwing #51...which would be impossible if he was dead.[/QUOTE]Barbara suiting up at any point should prove this one way or the other. If it's before Dick got shot, it would also be while she's still wearing the Burnside costume, as she changed her costume at around the same time Dick was shot. So if she has her current one, it's set after the next few Nightwing issues, and not before the Ric era started.
It's not possible for it to be between his getting shot and last month's Nightwing issue. And even now, he has his memories back, but not his emotional attachments, since he can't tell them from his fake memories.
But even the most dumb ideas have worked out great for certain villains or other ideas in Batman. So Bludhaven can work. I did do a thread about can Bludhaven work. Or due to his past background he could fight crime place to place. The issue is at times if they don’t use his home he mostly is used more in Batfam. He needs his own place and his own rogue gallery. Or maybe how much crime does happen in Metropolis?
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Is that one cop Nightwing getting his own solo title? :p
[QUOTE=Badou;4827561]Is that one cop Nightwing getting his own solo title? :p[/QUOTE]
He and his friends should have died last arc
[QUOTE=Katana500;4823735]I really dislike Bludhaven. I hope when 5G hits Dick goes back to Spyral. I just find Bludhaven to be a more bland and less interesting Gotham[/QUOTE]
It only worked for me twice, once in Dixon's run and again during Rebirth for a short time when it was envisioned as kind of Atlantic City.
Honestly? Make it Vegas-esque. That kind of city fits Dick like a glove. Crime and corruption but all about lights, music and putting on a big show. I think if they play that up and make it look like where all the Gothamites go to spend their money, it could work. Alas, I think the concept's been burned for most.
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Wonderful to see a look closer to the iconic suit again, no silly blue stripes on his calves.
[QUOTE=Badou;4827561]Is that one cop Nightwing getting his own solo title? :p[/QUOTE]Which one - the four fake Nightwings include three cops (the ones Ric calls Nightwings Prime, Gold, and Blue) and a firefighter (Nightwing Red).
Anyway, I won't be surprised if Joker whacks them.
The one that looks like his clone obviously.
You mean Sap then.
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[QUOTE=Robanker;4827832]It only worked for me twice, once in Dixon's run and again during Rebirth for a short time when it was envisioned as kind of Atlantic City.
Honestly? Make it Vegas-esque. That kind of city fits Dick like a glove. Crime and corruption but all about lights, music and putting on a big show. I think if they play that up and make it look like where all the Gothamites go to spend their money, it could work. Alas, I think the concept's been burned for most.
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Agreed. I can see Dick either doing one of the acrobat shows that are in Vegas at times. Or a poker plater.
[QUOTE=AmiMizuno;4828967][QUOTE=Robanker;4827832]It only worked for me twice, once in Dixon's run and again during Rebirth for a short time when it was envisioned as kind of Atlantic City.
Honestly? Make it Vegas-esque. That kind of city fits Dick like a glove. Crime and corruption but all about lights, music and putting on a big show. I think if they play that up and make it look like where all the Gothamites go to spend their money, it could work. Alas, I think the concept's been burned for most.
Agreed. I can see Dick either doing one of the acrobat shows that are in Vegas at times. Or a poker plater.[/QUOTE]
Didn’t they already do a casino type arc with blockbuster
They have done a few things with the casino parts. Maybe Dick could also be a security guard or a bouncer. That way some of the higher criminals use him. He gets to be in on many talks.
I dunno. In any even vaguely realistic scenario, any prospective employer would easily discover Dick is a rather famous person, with a very privileged upbringing. Dick would be foolish to call any more attention to himself by being an amateur commando.
No one should be hiring this guy as “muscle.”
I would prefer to see Dick get control of his narrative...and yes, acknowledge his connection to Wayne, but set out on a public mission of his own...heading the Martha Wayne Foundation, or something... and traveling around the world to help people, somewhat in the public eye, but answerable to no one.
I would also love to see a Wally and Dick book.
He became Nightwing to not relay on Bruce. He wants to be his own man. I mean in many ways wouldn't that get him more caught as Nightwing? I mean yeah he is famous but he is able to keep a low enough profile. We don't hear much about him. People aren't chasing I mean there are famous children who we don't hear about much anymore. So Dick can be one of those cases. People only talking about him when he is at majority events. I mean it's the reason he moved from Gotham to Bludhaven
That’s another perspective I have never understood....Dick’s unwillingness to let Bruce fund his mission. He IS carrying on the family business...it’s mot like he’s gonna use the Wayne fortune to produce Broadway plays. He knows Bruce did not make his fortune ( although he may have grown it); he was given It by his father. He should let Bruce do the same.
If you can, you guys should check out pennyworth rip. Tynion did a good job with Ric. Honestly he should’ve been handled like this since the beginning
Edit: also tomasi was on this as well
[QUOTE=bearman;4829392]That’s another perspective I have never understood....Dick’s unwillingness to let Bruce fund his mission. He IS carrying on the family business...it’s mot like he’s gonna use the Wayne fortune to produce Broadway plays. He knows Bruce did not make his fortune ( although he may have grown it); he was given It by his father. He should let Bruce do the same.[/QUOTE]
Because he feels like he will still be in his shadow. He wants to feel like his own person. He wants to feel like he can do things on his own and not have to get help all the time. They had a breakdown. So Dick felt cut off. So he wanted to do his own thing. To have Bruce funded means Bruce can still control him. Bruce has been down to be controlling.
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Wow, Jason comes across as a nasty piece of sh!t.
[QUOTE=Lady Nightwing;4830125]Wow, Jason comes across as a nasty piece of sh!t.[/QUOTE]
Why is he wearing shades in-doors? Is it a disguise?
So I guess RHATO Annual and that Rebirth Nightwing issue are out the window? Jason clearly is aware that Richard lost his memory but still seems resentful or unwillingly to take that into account. That's unnecessarily asreholey
Ric as concept and character is such a mess. There is no consistency at all to his character or what he does. I know I guess I’m suppose to like the moments he’s actually tolerable, but then the other part of me can’t help but put them in context of Ric as a whole. Quite frankly the Ric in RIP just doesn’t fit with anything else they done with him so far. He doesn’t even fit timeline wise where they say, but we went over that already. It just further angers me over how poorly coordinated and executed Ric has been as a hole, and asking why they are still holding on to something they themselves don’t even seem to follow.
[QUOTE=Lady Nightwing;4830125]Wow, Jason comes across as a nasty piece of sh!t.[/QUOTE]
The whole family, save for Ric, come off like garbage.
I think Jason has a point to be fair. Ric has spent months telling the family to leave him alone, then he goes to the funeral and acts sanctimonious to people in grief lashing out at someone who, arguably, should have even more grief on show than they do...but instead he's smiling and vaulting and all the rest.
It's trashy writing across the board imo, but I understand why Jason would be angry, and given it IS Jason, of course he's going to lash out. He'd have found a way to do that even if Ric was Dick. Anger is how he copes, or doesnt.
[QUOTE=legion_quest;4830379]I think Jason has a point to be fair. Ric has spent months telling the family to leave him alone, then he goes to the funeral and acts sanctimonious to people in grief lashing out at someone who, arguably, should have even more grief on show than they do...but instead he's smiling and vaulting and all the rest.
It's trashy writing across the board imo, but I understand why Jason would be angry, and given it IS Jason, of course he's going to lash out. He'd have found a way to do that even if Ric was Dick. Anger is how he copes, or doesnt.[/QUOTE]
When people close to someone dies. It makes sense tensions would be high and people might say things they wouldn't necessarilly said otherwise. Especially in a family as emotionally stunted as the batfamily. Especially as like Barbara said things are falling apart all around them.
The May solicit has him reuniting with babs
[QUOTE=Rac7d*;4831208]The May solicit has him reuniting with babs[/QUOTE]
I knew it!
I knew it was going to end before this year's Summer came.
Ha! (XD)
They had to drag it out for the dumb Joker War crossover this Summer.
[QUOTE=Zaresh;4831237]I knew it!
I knew it was going to end before this year's Summer came.
Ha! (XD)[/QUOTE]
Is it ending though? Same writer, same run, same crap. And just to kill any forme of originality same old Babs reunion.
[QUOTE=Rakiduam;4831316]Is it ending though? Same writer, same run, same crap. And just to kill any forme of originality same old Babs reunion.[/QUOTE]
I have high hopes.
Now, I also think they are going to retire Dick from his mantle in the timeskip that 5G brings to the main line of comics. So... monkey's paw I guess. I also think we're going to have plenty of limited series and minis with him as Nightwing in the BL line; but for the next like... 5 years or so, I can see them retiring Dick, or at least, making him something else, or something more, than the vigilante in black and blue suit that's Nightwing.
A good idea for Damian in that timeline could be taking over Nightwing. But that one is less a hunch and more wishful thinking.
If Dick ends up back in costume, that's great, but I'm still going to demand better quality before DC gets my money.
As for 5G....I expect Dick will have no role worth talking about. DC has tried damn hard to get rid of him without actually getting rid of him and incurring fans' wrath, but a time skip (if that indeed happens) would be a fantastic way to write him out. Maybe they'll give him a happy ending, hoping that will be enough to satisfy us. Or maybe they'll just keep abusing him when they're not ignoring him, as they have for the last few years.
But you never know. I've been wrong before. :p
If they are just gonna lazily put him back in costume still under Jurgan’s then better to just kill him. Just pull the trigger, rather then continue the slow death by mediocrity under boring creators no one is clearly interested in anymore.
BTW It’s just more Dick bait. Still Ric in May. Still their go to jobber too it seems. Guess Ric couldn’t escape that fate either.
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[I]Nightwing #72
Written by Dan Jurgens
Art by Ronan Cliquet
Cover by Travis Moore
Variant cover by Alan Quah
Dick Grayson has learned the truth: that “fixing” his identity lies with none other than Barbara Gordon. He must go to Gotham to find Batgirl—and runs into The Joker’s new henchperson, Punchline. Unlike Harley Quinn, Punchline’s deadpan black humor matches the deadly knives she uses on her victims...and for her next joke, Ric Grayson is the punchline.
May 5th, 2020.[/I]
No DC. At this point we’re the punchline...
[QUOTE=Ascended;4831375]If Dick ends up back in costume, that's great, but I'm still going to demand better quality before DC gets my money.
As for 5G....I expect Dick will have no role worth talking about. DC has tried damn hard to get rid of him without actually getting rid of him and incurring fans' wrath, but a time skip (if that indeed happens) would be a fantastic way to write him out. Maybe they'll give him a happy ending, hoping that will be enough to satisfy us. Or maybe they'll just keep abusing him when they're not ignoring him, as they have for the last few years.
But you never know. I've been wrong before. :p[/QUOTE]
I have very little hope for Dick while the current editors remains. For the whole DC to be honest, they really have no idea what to do with their characters.
[QUOTE=Godlike13;4831388]If they are just gonna lazily put him back in costume still under Jurgan’s then better to just kill him. Just pull the trigger, rather then continue the slow death by mediocrity under boring creators no one is clearly interested in anymore.
BTW It’s just more Dick bait. Still Ric in May. Still their go to jobber too it seem. Guess Ric couldn’t escape that fate either.
[url]https://screenrant.com/nightwing-joker-new-girlfriend-punchline-dc-comic/[/url]
[I]Nightwing #72
Written by Dan Jurgens
Art by Ronan Cliquet
Cover by Travis Moore
Variant cover by Alan Quah
Dick Grayson has learned the truth: that “fixing” his identity lies with none other than Barbara Gordon. He must go to Gotham to find Batgirl—and runs into The Joker’s new henchperson, Punchline. Unlike Harley Quinn, Punchline’s deadpan black humor matches the deadly knives she uses on her victims...and for her next joke, Ric Grayson is the punchline.
May 5th, 2020.[/I]
No DC. At this point we’re the punchline...[/QUOTE]When dick gets back he should change his name from nightwing to The Bat Fodder. I'm starting to hate dick being anywhere near Gotham.