Bring back Amy i guess. Though I think they should relook at that entirely. Can’t just recreate how it works in Gotham.
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Bring back Amy i guess. Though I think they should relook at that entirely. Can’t just recreate how it works in Gotham.
[QUOTE=WonderNight;5060325]What do you guys about Artemis crock as nightwing partner or semi partner. People always say dick works best with a partner and she's popular with no real connections to other characters or franchises. Plus I like there dynamic in yj. What you guys think.[/QUOTE]
You know, that's not a bad choice at all. Like, it's probably one of the best suggestions I've seen here.
I'm assuming you'd want to just transplate the basic Young Justice set up right? Daughter of Sportsmaster and sister to Jade and all that? I tell you what, I'd support it.
[QUOTE=AmiMizuno;5060408]I mean if anything wouldn't DeathStorke want to go after Dick more than the Titans?[/QUOTE]
Slade and Dick seem to have a weird dynamic now don't they? They hate each other, and Slade would kill Dick if he got an honest chance, but Dick has been good to Rose. Better than Slade has been. So there's a weird kind of....I don't want to say bond....but I feel like they have a certain kind of understanding. Or maybe that's all in my head, I don't know if I even recall the last time I saw them interact.
This is why in a sense I often thought Deathstroke would kind of work as a rogue villain. Sure he is a hitman for hire but he also has a grudge with Dick. In many ways, he hates and respects Dick. Now the thing is Rose seems to be on better terms with her dad in the comics. But maybe like Damian, she feels more comfortable with Dick. In a weird way, Dick seems to be the father figure to many of the younger kids. Especially in his family. Would Zatanna work has a supporting cast? Going back with Haley Circus she and Dick sometimes meet? I think Bludhaven works best if it's more entertainment. You the city trying to be the Hollywood city.
[QUOTE=Ascended;5060623]You know, that's not a bad choice at all. Like, it's probably one of the best suggestions I've seen here.
I'm assuming you'd want to just transplate the basic Young Justice set up right? Daughter of Sportsmaster and sister to Jade and all that? I tell you what, I'd support it.
Slade and Dick seem to have a weird dynamic now don't they? They hate each other, and Slade would kill Dick if he got an honest chance, but Dick has been good to Rose. Better than Slade has been. So there's a weird kind of....I don't want to say bond....but I feel like they have a certain kind of understanding. Or maybe that's all in my head, I don't know if I even recall the last time I saw them interact.[/QUOTE]
I like that kind of complex relationship
Sorry to interrupt the current conversation, but is it worth jumping back into Nightwing again? Is Ric finally done? Was #72 serviceable at least?
[QUOTE=disillusion386;5061132]Sorry to interrupt the current conversation, but is it worth jumping back into Nightwing again? Is Ric finally done? Was #72 serviceable at least?[/QUOTE]
Personally I find Nightwing #72 is incredibly frustating. If you are following Joker war, I suggest you to read it. But if you want to only read Dick comeback only, best if you wait for another month at least. You just need to know that Dick is being brainwashed by Joker. The rest isn't really important
[QUOTE=Light of Justice;5061178]Personally I find Nightwing #72 is incredibly frustating. If you are following Joker war, I suggest you to read it. But if you want to only read Dick comeback only, best if you wait for another month at least. You just need to know that Dick is being brainwashed by Joker. The rest isn't really important[/QUOTE]
Okay, thanks. I actually stopped reading comics altogether several months ago and even then was only reading a few books. I'm definitely not following Joker War so thanks for the heads up. I'll wait until the conclusion of that event.
If you're waiting for Dick's triumphant return as Nightwing, it looks like issue 75 is what you want to pick up. Or, actually, some issue of Batman is where Dick will officially put the suit back on, but Nightwing 75 seems to be the first issue of Dick's own book where he's back.
But it's still written by Jurgens, so I don't think you should expect a quality comic.
We've got a few months between now and 75's release, I'd just keep your ear to the ground. If it turns out we're getting a better creative team after 75 it might be more enjoyable to just wait that extra month; I'm sure 75 will be dealing with plenty of loose ends from the Ric era that most of us would rather just forget as soon as possible.
[QUOTE=Ascended;5061352]If you're waiting for Dick's triumphant return as Nightwing, it looks like issue 75 is what you want to pick up. Or, actually, some issue of Batman is where Dick will officially put the suit back on, but Nightwing 75 seems to be the first issue of Dick's own book where he's back.
But it's still written by Jurgens, so I don't think you should expect a quality comic.
We've got a few months between now and 75's release, I'd just keep your ear to the ground. If it turns out we're getting a better creative team after 75 it might be more enjoyable to just wait that extra month; I'm sure 75 will be dealing with plenty of loose ends from the Ric era that most of us would rather just forget as soon as possible.[/QUOTE]
Damn, that sucks that we're not getting a new creative team after Joker War. Thanks for the detailed info.
[QUOTE=Restingvoice;5061008]I like that kind of complex relationship[/QUOTE]
Me too. In a sense out of all the titans. Slade always sense to focus on Dick more. Shouldn’t this be focused on more. Like it’s not just the fact Rose respects Dick more but maybe other reasons.
[QUOTE=disillusion386;5061382]Damn, that sucks that we're not getting a new creative team after Joker War. Thanks for the detailed info.[/QUOTE]
Whoops, let me clarify.
Nightwing 75, the issue when Dick is supposed to return as Nightwing, is still written by Jurgens. After that we don't know yet if Jurgens will stay on the book or if new creators will come in.
Jurgens might be out as of issue 76 or he might stick around longer; we haven't gotten any kind of word that I know of about that.
If I had to guess, I'd say Jurgens will stick around until DC does a relaunch at the end of Metal 2, but that's just guesswork.
In reference to the previous discussion...I liked Dick’s interactions with Jesse Quick. She’ll always be a Flash character, but there enough of these young heroes around that Dick could truly be in the mentoring business.
I didn't listen to it, but Jurgens did a [URL="https://www.reddit.com/r/DCcomics/comments/hw1f2h/dan_jurgens_on_word_balloon_nightwing_batman/"]interview on the word balloon podcast [/URL]yesterday. According to someone on reddit, he's writing a few more Nightwing issues after 75 but hinted there are plans DC will announce soon regarding the books future.
Sounds like he will get placed whenever DC announces their upcoming relaunch, still predicting Williamson takes over.
Smart move by DC, keep Jurgens on just long enough to kill any momentum bringing him back might actually have.
2 years wasting away as Ric as they accomplish absolutely nothing with the idea, thanks to their reliance on boring out of date creators and an inability to actually put something together. Now the one thing this direction possibly has going for it, Dick’s return, is going to be wasted just long enough to insure no one gives a shit. It’s funny though, 5G was the original plan. Which I doubt Dick had much of a part in. So I can only imagine what they original return and send off Dick was going to get.
[QUOTE=Godlike13;5062416]Smart move by DC, keep Jurgens on just long enough to kill any momentum bringing him back might actually have.
2 years wasting away as Ric as they accomplish absolutely nothing with the idea, thanks to their reliance on boring out of date creators and an inability to actually put something together. Now the one thing this direction possibly has going for it, Dick’s return, is going to be wasted just long enough to insure no one gives a shit. It’s funny though, 5G was the original plan. Which I doubt Dick had much of a part in. So I can only imagine what they original return and send off Dick was going to get.[/QUOTE]
Ehh, Jurgens had been forced to write Ric for a year, I'm glad he at least gets to write a few issues of the character. I don't think any momentum will be killed. Especially if we get the new creative team for the relaunch by the time Dick actually comes back.
Because he has been writing Ric for more then a year, is why he shouldn’t write the character anymore. Enough is enough, kill the book already and protect the return as a selling point for the next creative team. It going to lose its shine real fast after being back for a couple months of more Jurgen’s. They need to start distancing the character from Ric, not let Ric’s lazy creators try to save face with Dick.
Assuming we get a big line-wide relaunch of some kind after Metal, with a new creative team for Nightwing and probably a new #1 on the cover (possibly a combined number....200 and something I guess?) that'll provide a solid push for the book. It'll be as part of the post-Metal relaunch event so it'll just be one of many titles but it's still a wave Nightwing will ride.
I think right now it's just a really weird position. Dick returning as Nightwing should be a big deal and warrant a new creative team....but that relaunch is likely gonna hit in a few months anyway, presumably with some new continuity and various stunts, gimmicks, and directions to catch attention. So a new creator coming in right now would probably just be treading water until the post-Metal relaunch anyway. I feel like there aren't a ton of options between now and Metal's ending, and none of them are all that great.
[QUOTE=Ascended;5062881]Assuming we get a big line-wide relaunch of some kind after Metal, with a new creative team for Nightwing and probably a new #1 on the cover (possibly a combined number....200 and something I guess?) that'll provide a solid push for the book. It'll be as part of the post-Metal relaunch event so it'll just be one of many titles but it's still a wave Nightwing will ride.
I think right now it's just a really weird position. Dick returning as Nightwing should be a big deal and warrant a new creative team....but that relaunch is likely gonna hit in a few months anyway, presumably with some new continuity and various stunts, gimmicks, and directions to catch attention. So a new creator coming in right now would probably just be treading water until the post-Metal relaunch anyway. I feel like there aren't a ton of options between now and Metal's ending, and none of them are all that great.[/QUOTE]
Exactly, it'd be pretty weird to put a new writer on right before a relaunch happens in 2-3 months. Just let Jurgens tie up loose ends from the Ric plotline so the next writer doesn't have to deal with any of that.
Are there any loose ends to tie up? The whole Ric saga has been really sparse in terms of introducing actually plots despite going on for 2 years, but I guess that is what happens when a 3rd of each issue is just recapping what happened in the previous one. All we have are Bea, the fake Nightwings, and the Owls I guess, but I don't want to see any of them again in this story unless it is Jurgens killing them off. In the new solicits he is going to have Dick go after KGBeast to try and tie it back to Batman #55, but I don't even care about that. All I'd really want to see before some relaunch would be Jurgens addressing Dick learning about everything that happened to Wally and what he did during Heroes in Crisis, or things like Dick (not fucking Ric like what we had) finding out Alfred is dead and Damian had to watch him die. Actual important things like that an actual person would be desperate to find out about, but we won't get any of that.
Where do you prefer Nightwing keeps his ice cream a stick?
- Strapped to his gloves
- Inserted into oversized gloves
- Strapped to his boots
- Inserted into oversized boots
- Strapped behind his back on a Y strap
- Strapped behind his back on an X Strap
- Strapped behind his back, on the waist, horizontally, one atop of the other
- Strapped on the side of his waist vertically attached to a belt
- Up his ass
Also how many pairs should he carry? He has at least
- The regular smooth one that can also double as a line launcher that he can bounce 27 times
- The ones with smooth grip but spikey heads
- The electric ones with larger heads that lights up
[QUOTE=Restingvoice;5063140]Where do you prefer Nightwing keeps his ice cream a stick?
- Strapped to his gloves
- Inserted into oversized gloves
- Strapped to his boots
- Inserted into oversized boots
- Strapped behind his back on a Y strap
- Strapped behind his back on an X Strap
- Strapped behind his back, on the waist, horizontally, one atop of the other
- Strapped on the side of his waist vertically attached to a belt
- Up his ass
Also how many pairs should he carry? He has at least
- The regular smooth one that can also double as a line launcher that he can bounce 27 times
- The ones with smooth grip but spikey heads
- The electric ones with larger heads that lights up[/QUOTE]
Ice cream? Oh, you mean escrima stick. Sorry my glutton self was blanked for a second. For simplicity in real life, personally I prefer on side of waist attached to belt, but if he put his escrima stick behind his back on X strap, it will make cooler withdraw scene. I like the electric ones, not very fond of spiky ones.
[QUOTE=Badou;5063090]Are there any loose ends to tie up? The whole Ric saga has been really sparse in terms of introducing actually plots despite going on for 2 years, but I guess that is what happens when a 3rd of each issue is just recapping what happened in the previous one. All we have are Bea, the fake Nightwings, and the Owls I guess, but I don't want to see any of them again in this story unless it is Jurgens killing them off. In the new solicits he is going to have Dick go after KGBeast to try and tie it back to Batman #55, but I don't even care about that. All I'd really want to see before some relaunch would be Jurgens addressing Dick learning about everything that happened to Wally and what he did during Heroes in Crisis, or things like Dick (not fucking Ric like what we had) finding out Alfred is dead and Damian had to watch him die. Actual important things like that an actual person would be desperate to find out about, but we won't get any of that.[/QUOTE]
Yeah Batfam is in the dark place now, except maybe Tim, and some of his friends are fucked up (Roy died, Wally..you know, at least what happened to Donna is already over). And I don't know this sudden writers fondness of using KGBeast, but if KGBeast is real person I have to applaud his dedication for his jobs. After he shot Dick he got horribly beaten by Batman, then he heals(?), takes job from unstable person then almost lost his life if not because Batgirl's help of all people, then get arrested by police, the he escapes(?) and get his fake arm chopped by murderous Damian. After all that shits, he still thinks for his credibility as assassin. Truly admirable.
[QUOTE=Light of Justice;5063156]Yeah Batfam is in the dark place now, except maybe Tim, and some of his friends are fucked up (Roy died, Wally..you know, at least what happened to Donna is already over). And I don't know this sudden writers fondness of using KGBeast, but if KGBeast is real person I have to applaud his dedication for his jobs. After he shot Dick he got horribly beaten by Batman, then he heals(?), takes job from unstable person then almost lost his life if not because Batgirl's help of all people, then get arrested by police, the he escapes(?) and get his fake arm chopped by murderous Damian. After all that shits, he still thinks for his credibility as assassin. Truly admirable.[/QUOTE]
I completely forgot about the Donna thing, but I guess it doesn't matter too much since Dick and Donna aren't really close anymore. Plus Dick has been controlled/brainwashed by the Owls and Joker himself since Donna was controlled by the Batman Who Laughs thing, lol.
[QUOTE=Ascended;5062881]Assuming we get a big line-wide relaunch of some kind after Metal, with a new creative team for Nightwing and probably a new #1 on the cover (possibly a combined number....200 and something I guess?) that'll provide a solid push for the book. It'll be as part of the post-Metal relaunch event so it'll just be one of many titles but it's still a wave Nightwing will ride.
I think right now it's just a really weird position. Dick returning as Nightwing should be a big deal and warrant a new creative team....but that relaunch is likely gonna hit in a few months anyway, presumably with some new continuity and various stunts, gimmicks, and directions to catch attention. So a new creator coming in right now would probably just be treading water until the post-Metal relaunch anyway. I feel like there aren't a ton of options between now and Metal's ending, and none of them are all that great.[/QUOTE]
End it and let the main series lie till the relaunch. They got the JL Metal Tie-in to hold readers off. Selling Nightwing post Ric is going to be hard as it is now, the post-Metal relaunch is something overall for DC but his return is an individual selling point on top of that for his next series. Which is all the character individually really has at this point. Jurgen's run is insultingly simplistic and creatively bone dry, it would literally take two pages to rap up his lose ends. Loose ends that people don't really even care about. Letting Jurgen's drag out things even more only serves to let Jurgen's try to save face and bleed whatever readers are left of those very last drops, with just more of his no effort and needlessly dragged out boring crap. The more they they let that continue, the worse the character's image becomes, the harder it becomes for the character to sell.
[QUOTE=Godlike13;5063456]End it and let the main series lie till the relaunch. They got the JL Metal Tie-in to hold readers off. Selling Nightwing post Ric is going to be hard as it is now, the post-Metal relaunch is something overall for DC but his return is an individual selling point on top of that for his next series. Which is all the character individually really has at this point. Jurgen's run is insultingly simplistic and creatively bone dry, it would literally take two pages to rap up his lose ends. Loose ends that people don't really even care about. Letting Jurgen's drag out things even more only serves to let Jurgen's try to save face and bleed whatever readers are left of those very last drops, with just more of his no effort and needlessly dragged out boring crap. The more they they let that continue, the worse the character's image becomes, the harder it becomes for the character to sell.[/QUOTE]
You're kinda screwed either way. You cancel the book for a couple months right after Dick returns as Nightwing and that's not helping him. You start a new direction with new creators and they'll only get a couple issues before the presumed post-Metal relaunch so those early issues probably can't go anywhere or set anything up. You let Jurgens get a few more issues in just to spin some wheels and....you've got Jurgens spinning wheels.
At this point, it's been two years of Ric....I doubt another two or three issues will make much difference. The damage Ric was going to do has already been done. Who knows? Jurgens can write better than what he's been doing in Nightwing, maybe he'll knock out a couple issues that aren't complete garbage, without all the Ric crap to deal with. And if not....well, at the rate he's pacing the story it'll take two-three issues just to clear the board and get rid of the fakewings and everything else.
And we'll have Dick in Justice League, which will provide a big boost to his visibility leading into post-Metal, so at least there's that (assuming they don't screw him over in that book too). It's a sh*t situation no matter how you cut it, I figure no matter what DC does everything is basically a wash until post-Metal. Once that series is over, we'll see what they do with Nightwing and if they have any intention of, you know, actually putting in any effort at all.
The current book is so bad that canceling it would help him. Its about either using "The Return of Nightwing" as selling point to allow Jurgen's to continue to spin his wheels for a couple months, or using it to help launch the next series. They are letting Jugen's, the lowest selling Nightwing writer, get the first word on Dick being back and water it down. Making it far less special for the next team. Letting the same no draw, boring creators, bury Dick's return with their complacently is just wasteful. It would be better if they end it so they can protect the return as a selling point as much as they can for what comes next.
Maybe if decisions like this were up to the Nightwing writers we'd get something like that. But it's not the Nightwing book driving the bus, it's the Batman title and what's good for Dick's solo isn't really their problem or consideration. And it shouldn't be; they're writing Batman not Nightwing, they should focus on their own book; it's editorial's job to make sure Nightwing is treated like a solo IP (since, y'know, he has a solo) and they don't care enough to protect the title's interests.
I'm not arguing it's not wasteful or stupid that Jurgens is staying on the book after Dick's return. I'm just saying the last couple years have been nothing but a waste, so what's another couple issues on top of all that? When Metal wraps and DC does the inevitable line-wide relaunch that'll get Nightwing some attention and provide incentive for readers; what happens right now is....basically a lost cause no matter what they do. I don't think a few more issues under Jurgens is gonna hurt Dick any more than he's already been hurt.
I bet you ten bucks that, when Metal is done and Nightwing launches with a new creative team and a new numbering, it'll be treated like he's just come back to the costume. DC will pretend the gap between then and 75 doesn't exist.
DC treating its market base like its made up of simpletons would be ignorant on there part. They do it, but we shouldn’t just accept it. That was a major problem with the Ric run. DC can try to pretend the gap between 75 doesn’t exists but readers will see Nightwing being back for multiple months, under the same creator they haven’t been interested in, continuing to do more boring filler regardless. Shops to will see it too and use the previous series at its end as a basis for their orders and where they think the new one will level off. They are wasting moments they can use to help sell his next series like his return, or his first confrontations with KG Beast, so their protected creators that no longer really generate can still have something to do, just like they did with Ric itself.
This is basic character protection. Oh one more loss won’t hurt, one more bad appearance won’t hurt, one more bad writer won’t hurt, one or more months of the same creators won’t hurt. But these things catch up, Nightwing is barely viable as it is thanks to this kind of thinking.
The next series was always going to inherit the ramifications of Ric, and now they are wasting the few selling points Dick might have had going into his next series for a couple months of fruitless busy work. That’s going to hurt. Dick being back isn’t going to be as fresh after months of being back with filler, the second confrontation with the man who shot him isn’t going to carry the same impact, ect, ect. Not ending the book is just going to make things even harder for the next team and series, and now they now will have less potential moments to build with.
Old dudes like Lobdell and Jurgen’s never cared, cause they were never really invested in the character, his readers, or what was being done to begin with. And how they perform doesn’t seem to matter. This is a big reason Ric turned out like it did, its was never theirs as they were just filling in the boxes for DC. Even if it’s just for a couple more month, by continuing to not put the series out it’s misery, and feeding those same going no where creators even more moments and selling points, but now with Dick. Just further hurts the character’s viability going forward.
Honestly, I prefer this. Nightwing never should've been taken off the board the way he was, so I'd rather his return is done outside of a new relaunch. The new book or direction should be good enough to stand on its own legs, and if it isn't, then oh well. Allowing it to ride the hype while being another empty, direction-less story the way Rebirth more or less was (really, that book being good at any point is just due to Seeley caring and being a good writer, the book itself was nothing), that would be worse imo.
That said, I'd also prefer the book just ends with #76 if not #75, assuming there's a relaunch in the works as we're all thinking.
[QUOTE=bearman;5061962]In reference to the previous discussion...I liked Dick’s interactions with Jesse Quick. She’ll always be a Flash character, but there enough of these young heroes around that Dick could truly be in the mentoring business.[/QUOTE]
Well, Jesse is just as connected to the Justice Society, and, as I assume you know, is also a former Titan. Now that she's about to be brought back, there's no reason she can't be used, and not necessarily in a Flash title.
[QUOTE=Badou;5063090]Are there any loose ends to tie up? The whole Ric saga has been really sparse in terms of introducing actually plots despite going on for 2 years, but I guess that is what happens when a 3rd of each issue is just recapping what happened in the previous one. All we have are Bea, the fake Nightwings, and the Owls I guess, but I don't want to see any of them again in this story unless it is Jurgens killing them off. In the new solicits he is going to have Dick go after KGBeast to try and tie it back to Batman #55, but I don't even care about that. All I'd really want to see before some relaunch would be Jurgens addressing Dick learning about everything that happened to Wally and what he did during Heroes in Crisis, or things like Dick (not fucking Ric like what we had) finding out Alfred is dead and Damian had to watch him die. Actual important things like that an actual person would be desperate to find out about, but we won't get any of that.[/QUOTE]There's a few things to wrap up. Sap, aka Nightwing Prime, is currently in the hospital, being watched over by two of the other three faux-Nightwings, after being attacked by Joker. They are, however, already considering giving it up, having just realised it was Joker and not Talon who targeted them. They finally realised they're in over their heads. The Bea relationship needs ending somehow. Dick will need to be updated on the status of the Bat family, and what's happened to both Titans teams (his own and Damian's) as well as Wally. As you say, he needs to grieve for Alfred, as though he knew of his death, he wasn't emotionally attached at the time. And they'll probably want to link into Death Metal: Justice League.
[QUOTE=Digifiend;5064215]
There's a few things to wrap up. Sap, aka Nightwing Prime, is currently in the hospital, being watched over by two of the other three faux-Nightwings, after being attacked by Joker. They are, however, already considering giving it up, having just realised it was Joker and not Talon who targeted them. They finally realised they're in over their heads. The Bea relationship needs ending somehow. Dick will need to be updated on the status of the Bat family, and what's happened to both Titans teams (his own and Damian's) as well as Wally. As you say, he needs to grieve for Alfred, as though he knew of his death, he wasn't emotionally attached at the time. And they'll probably want to link into Death Metal: Justice League.[/QUOTE]
I thought the Nightwing Prime guy died in the hospital? I only skimmed a pirated copy of the issue so I don't remember it clearly though. The thing with Bea is that Jurgens is going to address her situation given the solicit, but she is also a character no one cares about and will be forgotten for good after it. So it is a bit frustrating wasting more time on a character that has no value in any future story when people already don't like the story she is in now.
But if reading comics for as long as I have has taught me anything is that the actual important things readers would be interested in, like what happened to Wally in Heroes in Crisis, won't be touched on in Nightwing because it was never present in the Ric story. Jurgens isn't going to suddenly touch on the Heroes in Crisis story and its fallout that is a year old now when they purposefully ignored it. Creators like to keep these stories self contained. Even the Alfred thing will probably not be dealt with other than a quick panel at most given they think that special Alfred funeral issue was enough for it. Same with the Titans. They won't be touched on either since they were never present in the Nightwing story. It is likely that the issues after #75 will be just tying into Death Metal like you said given they don't really have anything else.
How do we get bea. Out
Bat Ranger Nightwing by Dan Mora.
[IMG]https://i.imgur.com/VOBddex.jpg[/IMG]
[url]https://www.instagram.com/p/CC_93Aelq-k/[/url]
The only loose ends are a the Nightwing team that has already pretty much fallen to the wayside, and Bea. Both of which can be tied up rather quickly. Simply stating that he’s back wraps up the Nightwings, and with Bea it’s as simple telling her that he doesn’t know her and she doesn’t know him. Probably wasn’t a good idea taking advantage of a delusional hobo recovering from brain damage. None of this needs to be dagged out beyond a page or two, but Jurgen’s will probably recap an arc out of it. The Titans, Wally, Death Metal none of this has been relevant to Ric and aren’t lose ends.
[QUOTE=Drako;5064553]Bat Ranger Nightwing by Dan Mora.
[IMG]https://i.imgur.com/VOBddex.jpg[/IMG]
[url]https://www.instagram.com/p/CC_93Aelq-k/[/url][/QUOTE]
This is so dope, I'd accept this as a redesign without the helmet. Hell he could keep it if he's on a motocycle.
[QUOTE=Drako;5064553]Bat Ranger Nightwing by Dan Mora.
[IMG]https://i.imgur.com/VOBddex.jpg[/IMG]
[url]https://www.instagram.com/p/CC_93Aelq-k/[/url][/QUOTE]
I've seen a lot of fanart that adds a little yellow to Dick's color scheme, It works really well.
[QUOTE=9th.;5064603]This is so dope, I'd accept this as a redesign without the helmet. Hell he could keep it if he's on a motocycle.[/QUOTE]
That's exactly what I was thinking.
I saw some article CBR posted about Mora's Batman & Robin/Rangers art but I didn't know he did Nightwing too.
....I might toss a little glow effect into the bird emblem....
[QUOTE=Drako;5064553]Bat Ranger Nightwing by Dan Mora.
[IMG]https://i.imgur.com/VOBddex.jpg[/IMG]
[url]https://www.instagram.com/p/CC_93Aelq-k/[/url][/QUOTE]
That's rad. And eerily reminiscent of the Nightwing costume in my dream that was blue & red. Replace those yellow bits with a sort of faded blood red and swap the helmet for a more classic Nightwing facemask and it'd be pretty darned close.
I like the splash of yellow. The more I see it, the I want to see it for his next costume.
I've said it before, but my kingdom for Dan Mora on a Nightwing title.
I mean, that's basically one of the best updates to the suit I've ever seen, and Mora did it as, what, some kind of "warm up before the real work begins" screwing off fan fiction? What the crap kind of unfair, ridiculous level of talent is that?
If I ever somehow fell into a position at DC one of the first things I'd try to do is recruit this guy for more than covers.
I don't even know who I'd pair him with as far as writers go. Screw it, I'll let him pick who he wants. He can write the thing himself if he wants to.
Anyone on his social media? He ever say anything about doing a real DC project? Or anything about Dick?