Dick Grayson: Robin / Nightwing Appreciation 2020

I think Badou called it, with Jurgan's bringing his Beyond stuff to fruition. And while yes i know 5G is suppose to bring an influx of new creators, i think Nightwing will none the less remain a fodder book for Jurgans.

[QUOTE=Godlike13;4888786]I think Badou called it, with Jurgan's bringing his Beyond stuff to fruition. And while yes i know 5G is suppose to bring an influx of new creators, i think Nightwing will none the less remain a fodder book for Jurgans.[/QUOTE]

Entirely possible.

We'll see if Jim Lee is as good as his word about protecting Nightwing. I feel like, with 5G on the horizon and even that getting changed and altered, we can't really be sure of much right now.

Though to be fair to Lee, if changes are made concerning Nightwing it might take time to enact. It's possible Jurgens might remain on the book short term as a placeholder while Lee arranges for something else. I'll give the man some time; comics aren't made overnight. If plans are changing it'll take time to hit the shelves, but by year's end I think we'll have our answer about how Lee views the property and what value he ascribes to it.

I honestly don't think Lee cares one way or another. He isn't concerned with what a mid to low-mid selling book about an ancillary Batman character does and isn't changing any plans to accommodate the the character. He thinks about more important things and probably even thinks they are doing find by the character currently because he has nothing invested in him. I think his comments months ago was just him placating fans because someone asked him a question about the character, and in reality Nightwing's book and situation isn't something he concerns himself with at all. He's shown zero evidence of caring about or protecting the character to this point, so I don't know why that would suddenly change.

Didio did a good job positioning himself as a lighting rod, but a lot of this falls under the purview of to DC’s EiC and more directly the current Bat office.

[QUOTE=Badou;4888954]I honestly don't think Lee cares one way or another. He isn't concerned with what a mid to low-mid selling book about an ancillary Batman character does and isn't changing any plans to accommodate the the character. He thinks about more important things and probably even thinks they are doing find by the character currently because he has nothing invested in him. I think his comments months ago was just him placating fans because someone asked him a question about the character, and in reality Nightwing's book and situation isn't something he concerns himself with at all. He's shown zero evidence of caring about or protecting the character to this point, so I don't know why that would suddenly change.[/QUOTE]

Well, I've talked about this from the business end a whole lot, and nobody needs to read all of that again. I'll just say that, with the limited information we have access to, and not knowing the unique quirks of this particular industry, I can see plenty of business reasoning to invest in the IP.

Now, since we don't have all the data there could certainly be variables that prove my assessment wrong. And I can't completely rule out my own bias unduly coloring my judgement (though if I've let it, my professors would kick my ass; they taught me better). But knowing what we know? I can make a hell of an argument.

Now, even if I'm right that doesn't mean anything will change. Didio's gone but Harras is still around, and words are cheap so we'll have to wait for Jim Lee's actions to know if he's actually going to protect the character (whatever that means).

But I do think we have 3 reasons to have a little hope.

Didio's gone. Like Godlike says, he always took the heat for everything even if it wasn't his fault, but in this case? I don't think he was protecting anyone else. Harras or whoever may agree with him, but Didio was definitely a major reason Dick got treated so poorly in recent years and I've never found a business theory or structure that supports it. With him gone, that's at least one roadblock out of the way.

Between Didio being fired and the 5G initiative, AT&T is actually paying attention to the publishing right now. Normally this stuff is too small for them to care about, but right now they're actually looking at what the comics do. And if these guys aren't taking the opportunity to do cost and market analysis I will eat my best hat. So if I'm right about the IP having more profit potential, AT&T will see it too and I doubt they'll be cool with the publishing letting money slip through their fingers because management has a hair across their ass. Even if it's a minuscule amount of money compared to what AT&T usually deals with, no business lets a penny slip through their fingers that they don't have to.

And tying it all together is Lifford. She's in charge of all things DC and is supposed to encourage cross market synergy and maximize brand recognition. Now, we know Nightwing is all over larger media and does well there. We know that in comics (discounting the current mess) he's got a high sales floor, some of the most consistent sales in the industry, and tons of pedigree. Wouldn't take much for Lifford to decide Nightwing has value and tell DC to push him more.

I've said in the past that all Dick needs is for someone above DC's management to take notice. Right now the guys above DC are actually looking at the publishing. If they're gonna notice, it'll happen now. Of course, whatever happens it'll be months before we see the result. But right now I think we've got reason to have a little hope.

Dick has four stories in the Robin Special.
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Dick's debut... and he [B][I]killed[/I][/B] some crooks!
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We know that 5G is going to be changing slightly so who knows. Also, do you guys think Dick will appear in Harley Quinn?

Comic book stores will be closed on wensday

Mine will still be open. I suggest people check before hand though.

[QUOTE=Rac7d*;4891423]Comic book stores will be closed on wensday[/QUOTE]Some will, not all. In New York, Forbidden Planet is shut, but JHU and Midtown will be open.
[url]https://www.bleedingcool.com/2020/03/17/forbidden-planet-nyc-closes-for-a-week-but-jhu-and-midtown-comics-stay-open/[/url]

I certainly think the piracy websites will be seeing extra traffic due to people not being able to pick up their pulls but not wanting to wait to read the comics or pay a second time for them.

I love the previews

Hey, Dick just paid a visit here to my city.

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[QUOTE=Drako;4892359]Hey, Dick just paid a visit here to my city.

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Agent 37! Man I miss that book so much.

[QUOTE=Ascended;4888760]I'm very curious what that event is going to bring. Jon Kent as Superman? Luke Fox as Batman? Sure, whatever I guess? But what is it gonna do to guys like Dick? Even if there's a time skip he wouldn't be aged out of the role (unless it's a really big skip anyway). So him and his peers are going to be older and more experienced than the League, but they won't be the League? Where are they gonna fit?[/QUOTE]

Sounds like the Justice Society. And we know what happened to them first chance Didio had.