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[QUOTE=AmiMizuno;4899031]Now skills. Often Dc has downplayed his abilities many times. What skills have they downplayed or just forgot about? What are his skills? What are his strengths and weakness?[/QUOTE]
Since the Robins have been getting together more and more... it's used to be only Tim and Dick, and later Damian, but now they have Jason and all the extended family... writers, and DC have been boxing them, emphasizing their signature personality trait or ability, the difference they have to each other, for easy marketing.
So ignoring the other similar ability he has with the rest of the family, Dick is the sexy, charming, emotion-based one. The heart, jumping without a net, the improviser, and the funny one.
So against Tim and Babs, his intelligence or detective skills are downplayed
Against Bruce and Babs, it's his seriousness, maturity, and fighting skills.
Bruce is obvious, he's the serious mentor and star character... but writers really don't like depicting Barbara as weaker, probably because of the history of female character treatment in media, so when someone's gonna take the fall of incompetency when both of them around, it's usually Dick.
Against Damian and Jason, it's anger and willingness towards violence. This one's not that bad, because Dick's default personality is nice, but he's not above violence and threats. This is more often a fandom problem, that Dick becomes to The Nice and Soft Big Bro.
Speaking of nice... when Starfire is written to be this innocent all-loving alien girl, Dick is the violent one. Otherwise, when Starfire's written as a warrior princess, Dick is the restrainer.
Oh. His status as The Nice One, as in, the one who listens, sometimes applies to the villains as well. This can make him comes off as naive. The Pure Hearted One.
The one thing they, as far as I know, never take is his leadership ability. Even when Bruce's around, they have such a different approach to team leadership that they don't undermine each other. Bruce is the colder, businesslike one, ordering people around. Dick knows and respects the team, so the team follows him willingly.
His greatest strength is definitely his people skills, whether as a charmer, performer, leader, brother, friend, neighbor, savior or listener.
His greatest weakness is taking burdens on his own. Self-blame. Since he likes to save or take care of others, he can neglect himself in the process, whether it's wounds, hygiene, or rest, and takes it really hard when he fails.
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Others have listed Dick's strengths. One of his weaknesses was getting along with Jason. Pre-New52, he and Jason weren't close. Especially compared to Dick with Tim and Damian. Even after coming back to life, pre or post New52, the two were never that close (though they had some good moments in the first Rebirth annual of Red Hood).
Best I can say, before the "ric" thing, the two didn't hate one another and could work together. But were not exactly close.
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[QUOTE=Jackalope89;4899372]Others have listed Dick's strengths. One of his weaknesses was getting along with Jason. Pre-New52, he and Jason weren't close. Especially compared to Dick with Tim and Damian. Even after coming back to life, pre or post New52, the two were never that close (though they had some good moments in the first Rebirth annual of Red Hood).
Best I can say, before the "ric" thing, the two didn't hate one another and could work together. But were not exactly close.[/QUOTE]
I wouldn't call them "brothers," but Dick cared about Jason pre-New 52. He took his death hard when he found out about it in the New Teen Titans.
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Dicks flaws are clear for me.
He has a bad, really mean streak when he's angered. He doesn't hold his mouth, and he can be really, really enraged. He can say really hurting stuff too, out or rage.
He's also too predisposed to decide for others what's best. And what's right and what's wrong. This applies for everyone, even his friends and team mates. He knows better, until he realizes he may have messed up.
He has prejudices and he's too quick to judge people.
He sometimes is too self-righteous, which is tied to the previous flaw.
And he can become too obtuse about certain stuff. It is how he thinks it is, and not any other way. I think he doesn't deal well with change either, but that may be just my bias.
I like Dick, just in case. He can be charming, and good and kind. But I've read him being an as××ole too, not too rarely.
Being self-sacrifying or taking burdens out of guilt aren't really much of a flaw. That pictures him under a good light, as much as it may hurt him. For a hero, I mean.
Edit: ok, so weaknesses. Yeah, self-blame and self-sacrifying oneself can be a weakness for a hero. Villains can even take advantadge of it, as it has happened in the comics, actually. Being vanilla human and jumping to help someone without many corncerns or thinking too much about it can be a weakness too. And that too has played against him before, I think.
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[QUOTE=Jackalope89;4899372]Others have listed Dick's strengths. One of his weaknesses was getting along with Jason. Pre-New52, he and Jason weren't close. Especially compared to Dick with Tim and Damian. Even after coming back to life, pre or post New52, the two were never that close (though they had some good moments in the first Rebirth annual of Red Hood).
Best I can say, before the "ric" thing, the two didn't hate one another and could work together. But were not exactly close.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Zaresh;4899635]Dicks flaws are clear for me.
He has a bad, really mean streak when he's angered. He doesn't hold his mouth, and he can be really, really enraged. He can say really hurting stuff too, out or rage.
He's also too predisposed to decide for others what's best. And what's right and what's wrong. This applies for everyone, even his friends and team mates. He knows better, until he realizes he may have messed up.
He has prejudices and he's too quick to judge people.
He sometimes is too self-righteous, which is tied to the previous flaw.
And he can become too obtuse about certain stuff. It is how he thinks it is, and not any other way. I think he doesn't deal well with change either, but that may be just my bias.
I like Dick, just in case. He can be charming, and good and kind. But I've read him being an as××ole too, not too rarely.
Being self-sacrifying or taking burdens out of guilt aren't really much of a flaw. That pictures him under a good light, as much as it may hurt him. For a hero, I mean.[/QUOTE]
So everybody was talking about weaknesses and you go with flaws. Jason fans always hamering the same discourse "he has a mean streak" "he has a temper" "he is not close to Jason". Talking about assholes, it wasn't Dick the one that stood up in front of a burning city and laughed, of all Robins the only one that has ever been happy other are dead is Jason.
What are you even doing in this anyway thread?
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[QUOTE=Rakiduam;4899672]So everybody was talking about weaknesses and you go with flaws. Jason fans always hamering the same discourse "he has a mean streak" "he has a temper" "he is not close to Jason". Talking about assholes, it wasn't Dick the one that stood up in front of a burning city and laughed.
What are you even doing in this anyway thread?[/QUOTE]
I tend to think that flaws are weaknesses. Sorry if my post was somehow offensive O.o.
Dick is my second fav character from the batfam. I didn't know that having one that I like more than him banned me from posting here :P
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[QUOTE=Zaresh;4899690]I tend to think that flaws are weaknesses. Sorry if my post was somehow offensive O.o.
Dick is my second fav character from the batfam. I didn't know that having one that I like more than him banned me from posting here :P[/QUOTE]
Sure...frankly I don't see how can you enjoy anything, if that is how you feel about a character you like.
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People are still pissed about BFTC I see, LoL.
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[QUOTE=Rakiduam;4899704]Sure...frankly I don't see how can you enjoy anything, if that is how you feel about a character you like.[/QUOTE]
I enjoy flawed characters. They feel real, and symphathetic. I can relate to them and can enjoy their messes too when I don't (or getting mad at them: that's a way of enjoying it if you see them growing out of it). I don't like perfectly virtuous characters; they feel either unture or boring to me.
John Constantine is another of my faves, for example. And he's a character that I find myself getting mad at, sometimes, with the sh×t he pulls.
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[QUOTE=Zaresh;4899711]I enjoy flawed characters. They feel real, and symphathetic. I can relate to them and can enjoy their messes too when I don't (or getting mad at them: that's a way of enjoying it if you see them growing out of it). I don't like perfectly virtuous characters; they feel either unture or boring to me.
John Constantine is another of my faves, for example. And he's a character that I find myself getting mad at, sometimes, with the sh×t he pulls.[/QUOTE]
Funny, I have never thought of Dick or Constantine as weak characters, but perceptions depend a lot of the spectators too I guess.
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[QUOTE=Godlike13;4899709]People are still pissed about BFTC I see, LoL.[/QUOTE]
Quick someone call kenan and kel because Aw, Here it goes ;)
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If we are just to use what DC gives us. His fighting skills are generally above any of the Robins or Batgirls. Thanks to his training and his upbringing. Yet Dc does drop it. Now detective hard to say. Tim is often stated to be the best. Babs is also. Yet Dick is often hard to say they go up and now. Yea I don't get why DC makes him a cheater or too naive. I mean given what he has seen he would be a little less naive. Now angry never often though him as having a bad angry issue.
For the most part, since they generally have the Batfam have some issues with Bruce. It's Dick who is often the mediator. I hope when Ric situation is ended he and Jason can repair their relationship.
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[QUOTE=Rakiduam;4899727]Funny, I have never thought of Dick or Constantine as weak characters, but perceptions depend a lot of the spectators too I guess.[/QUOTE]
Flaws are weaknesses in the sense that they make the character more human. And they let them fall into emotional and personal struggles. Look at Rebirth Nightwing, for example, after Dick had the news about Shawn being pregnant. He panicqued a bit, which is just to be expected. But him telling her afterwards (when he already knew she wasn't expecting), that he was wondering if their kid would learn bad copying mechanisms from her instead of good from him, now, that was the nail to their relationship. I remember reading it and thinking "wew, Dick, you could've done much, much better that that. You're bassically calling her a rotten apple."
And it wasn't the only time I've found myself thinking that. I think reading NTT I thought the same once, regarding Kori. And maybe he has done something like that to Babs too, once or twice. And Tim in Red Robin, at the start of that book.
About Constantine, John's flaws are his biggest weakness. It's how he finds himself so much trouble, and how he finds himself so alone. Or, well, it was like that before New 52.
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Btw. I think a comic that shows the difference between Bruce and Dicks style of Crime fighting is imo Batman Adventures Vol.2 #12.
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[QUOTE=Zaresh;4899758]Flaws are weaknesses in the sense that they make the character more human. And they let them fall into emotional and personal struggles. Look at Rebirth Nightwing, for example, after Dick had the news about Shawn being pregnant. He panicqued a bit, which is just to be expected. But him telling her afterwards (when he already knew she wasn't expecting), that he was wondering if their kid would learn bad copying mechanisms from her instead of good from him, now, that was the nail to their relationship. I remember reading it and thinking "wew, Dick, you could've done much, much better that that. You're bassically calling her a rotten apple."[/QUOTE]
I really like that because it's a realistic flaw for someone who often in the position of good or righteousness, views himself as good or being viewed as good and right by other people. There's a danger of Arrogance, in this case, Nightwing has been a hero through and through and Shawn is a reformed villain, so [I]obviously[/I] if there's a bad influence, it will be hers, and it's something that can be said without thinking.
Superman's had that streak too. When he's visiting Titans, he acts like such a mentor, trying to train the misfit kids when he knew nothing about the kids.
