Oh. My bad. It's been a while. My friends kept telling me he has cheated on women before. Okay. Should he have a femme Fatale? I mean does he need Mutiple lov interests? We have Kori and Babs. Do we need someone else to mix the pot?
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Oh. My bad. It's been a while. My friends kept telling me he has cheated on women before. Okay. Should he have a femme Fatale? I mean does he need Mutiple lov interests? We have Kori and Babs. Do we need someone else to mix the pot?
[QUOTE=AmiMizuno;5004269]Oh. My bad. It's been a while. My friends kept telling me he has cheated on women before. Okay. Should he have a femme Fatale? I mean does he need Mutiple lov interests? We have Kori and Babs. Do we need someone else to mix the pot?[/QUOTE]
[url]https://community.cbr.com/showthread.php?107027-Richard-Grayson-s-Soulmate[/url]
one of the best threads ever. 100+ pages for a reason.
I personally don't care if Dick is single or has a love interest, I would only feel uncomfortable if he is regarded as some sleazy playboy. Dick Grayson is someone who is universally respected by the superhero community so that should remain true even with his romantic flings, no matter how awkward.
[QUOTE=Elmo;5004316][url]https://community.cbr.com/showthread.php?107027-Richard-Grayson-s-Soulmate[/url]
one of the best threads ever. 100+ pages for a reason.
I personally don't care if Dick is single or has a love interest, I would only feel uncomfortable if he is regarded as some sleazy playboy. Dick Grayson is someone who is universally respected by the superhero community so that should remain true even with his romantic flings, no matter how awkward.[/QUOTE]
Agree. Now, how well respect is he?
[QUOTE=AmiMizuno;5004361]Agree. Now, how well respect is he?[/QUOTE]
dick grayson pulls a lot of weight. he is one of the most respected legacy characters and one of the most respected characters in all of DC.
when it comes to "how well respected is he," well you'd have to read some of his character interactions. I'd say he earned that title in my eyes through the 2000s.
In-universe, Dick is one of the most respected people in the heroic community. Or was, anyway. In recent years it seems this has been downplayed a lot, as with many other elements of Dick's life and ability.
I'd argue that if you were going to make a list (not based on current continuity), it'd go Superman, Wonder Woman, Nightwing, Batman.
People know that Batman will get the job done and his dedication to his mission is truly admirable and knows no limits. But he's also a jackass who has a habit of being a manipulative control freak. When Batman says "Do this thing and we'll win the fight" people know that if they do the thing, the fight will be won. But there are concerns about Batman; he has plans to stop you, he's got spy satellites watching you, he's got secrets that might impact you he won't share, he'll suck you into his plans and use you, and might even be manipulating you right now. Batman is respected, but not trusted.
With Nightwing, there isn't any of that doubt. People think he's got a moral compass on the level of Superman's, the technical and tactical prowess of Batman (or close to it), and the compassion of Diana. Like Superman himself says in Seeley's run "The Nightwing seal of approval carries a lot of weight."
How much of his life has been downplayed? If there is a way to fix it would be nice. Maybe even those he isn't actually a JL member. He could get an arc with the JL.
[QUOTE=Drako;5004164]You know what is really weird in issue #71? Spoilers ahead, i guess.
Ric left the Bar and immediately Joker appears at the stairs. Then we see Ric fighting and defeating Tusk but the Joker still is at the same place we last saw him, making time for Ric to rescue Bea. So Ric changed his clothes, fought Tusk like a block away, realize the Joker was behind this distraction, came back and the Clown just went down the stairs?
You could take all the pages of the fight off and nothing really changes.
I really wish i are not stuck with Dun Jurgens after Dick is back.[/QUOTE]
LoL, ya such poorly executed padding to needlessly stretch the issue. But honestly is pretty much how all Jurgans' issues go though. 75% of the are generic padding till he gets to basically the cover.
The more I think about. The more I wonder. Is one reason why none of the Robins have appeared is due to Batman and Robin?
[QUOTE=AmiMizuno;5004704]The more I think about. The more I wonder. Is one reason why none of the Robins have appeared is due to Batman and Robin?[/QUOTE]
what do you mean
[QUOTE=sifighter;5003109]I am fine with Williamson, I like his writing on Flash and Batman/Superman so I would gladly read him on Nightwing.[/QUOTE]
I'd be happy with Williamson, too - he's not one of the "A-List Dream" writers, but he's got a lot of pluses in the Nightwing-specific writer stakes. He's big enough to have a bit of clout, but not so big that he isn't happy to commit to long runs. He plays well with editorial, without the cracks really showing. His Flash run showed him happy to do the long-term grinding of developing allies and villains without taking the main character away from centre-stage....
We could do a lot worse!
Honestly i'd be shocked if they had a creative team yet.
What would be your creative team for Nightwing? Not a dream team, but one that could happen IRL.
My right now is Joshua Williamson and Travis Moore.
[QUOTE=Elmo;5004738]what do you mean[/QUOTE]
From what I could see maybe Batman and Robin had cancalled any ideas of having Nightwing having a movie. Or any other robins appearing in Batman
[QUOTE=Drako;5004996]What would be your creative team for Nightwing? Not a dream team, but one that could happen IRL.
My right now is Joshua Williamson and Travis Moore.[/QUOTE]
Is getting Seeley back too unrealistic:p
His run wasn't perfect but I felt like he genuinely understood what made the character tick, if editorial took the hands off the wheel a bit I feel like he could do something really interesting with Nightwing's world.
If we're talking pure "realistic" choices, then Williamson is my top choice. I agree with everything Claude said; Williamson has clout, but isn't such a big name DC would pull him off the book to do some big high profile Crisis gig. Williamson can do long runs and develop characters and concepts over the long term, and he can play nice with editorial and make whatever crap they throw at him work to his advantage.
I wouldn't be opposed to Waid either, if the rumors of him returning to DC are true. But he doesn't seem to do long runs anymore, and I don't enjoy his work as much as I used to, otherwise he'd be my #1 pick.
More than anything I'd like to see Seeley put back on the title with no editorial interference, but I don't think that's in the cards.
As for artists.....Dan Mora. He's a legit talent with a really great style that's fitting for Nightwing, but I don't think he's such a big deal that he's "too big" for Nightwing.
I'd also love to get Jorge Jimenez but I'm not sure if he's too big a name now, after his JL run.
I wouldn't mind Seeley back on the character with a Black Label. A Black Label Grayson even maybe, lol. When it comes to the main series though i don't want to see them go back. Honestly im kind of hoping for new blood, someone from out of the industry even.
Also are we sure Williamson is a realistic choice. Going from Flash and Batman/Superman to Nightwing. Ya, i don't see it. He seems the kind of creator they would take off Nightwing so they could put him on the more favorable ips.
[QUOTE=Godlike13;5005096]
Also are we sure Williamson is a realistic choice. Going from Flash and Batman/Superman to Nightwing. Ya, i don't see it. He seems the kind of creator they would take off Nightwing so they could put him on the more favorable ips.[/QUOTE]
Well we don't really know how DC rates their talent or what books that talent can have, so no we're not sure. :p
I haven't looked at sales figures in a while, but far as I know both Flash and Superman-Batman are mid-tier titles with mid-level sales. I'm pretty sure that Nightwing sold roughly the same as both, and possibly better, back in normal days before DC took a collective crap on Dick Grayson's head. So it might not be out of the realm of possibility.
Hey man, I adore Dan Mora and if we could clone him, yeah, give me some Dan Mora Nightwing... But I don't want to lose Once & Future and the occasional Klaus!
I think Gail Simone, Chip Zdarsky or Matt Fraction would be great on Nightwing if given a shot.
[QUOTE=Drako;5004996]What would be your creative team for Nightwing? Not a dream team, but one that could happen IRL.
My right now is Joshua Williamson and Travis Moore.[/QUOTE]
Travis Moore, with cover by Dan Mora and variant by Jorge Jimenez
Writer, either Snyder or Seeley, each has its own weakness. Snyder with his narration and tendency to go too epic. Seeley tends to make Dick to self-aware at being sexy and no-homo-ing Superman.
I think I'm gonna go with Snyder because unlike Batman who has enough epic, Dick NEEDS an epic where he's the main character. Most of his stories tend to be personal while in any epic he's more of a supporting cast.
I loved this panel, it was about time to restore Dick and Slade's past history.
That's been restored for a while. When Dick's real memories were restored (remember, he simply can't tell them from the fake Talon ones, hence why he's still Ric), we saw moments from Dick's past - including the debut of the first Nightwing costume, which was clearly shown to be inside Titans Tower. Both this costume and the next one are being worn by two of the four new Nightwings (the other two use the New 52 and Rebirth costumes). So we know New Teen Titans happened. Additionally, Donna Troy now remembers all of her conflicting origins, including both from New Teen Titans (pre and post Crisis).
[QUOTE=AmiMizuno;5004269]Oh. My bad. It's been a while. My friends kept telling me he has cheated on women before. Okay. Should he have a femme Fatale? I mean does he need Mutiple lov interests? We have Kori and Babs. Do we need someone else to mix the pot?[/QUOTE]This topic came up in Batgirl and the Birds of Prey. Batgirl and Huntress both love Dick (remember, Helena was Matron in the Grayson series), and Dick was dating the Defacer at the time. So yup, he had three love interests, and that's without Starfire being involved!
[QUOTE=L.H.;5005482]I loved this panel, it was about time to restore Dick and Slade's past history.[/QUOTE]
If the insistence of keeping "Ric" in place until Joker War is so that they can spin-off a revived "Nightwing vs Deathstroke" personal rivalry out of its events in a Nightwing relaunch then...
... Well, if will still have been a stupid idea. But a slightly more respectable one.
[QUOTE=Digifiend;5005501]That's been restored for a while. When Dick's real memories were restored (remember, he simply can't tell them from the fake Talon ones, hence why he's still Ric), we saw moments from Dick's past - including the debut of the first Nightwing costume, which was clearly shown to be inside Titans Tower. Both this costume and the next one are being worn by two of the four new Nightwings (the other two use the New 52 and Rebirth costumes). So we know New Teen Titans happened. Additionally, Donna Troy now remembers all of her conflicting origins, including both from New Teen Titans (pre and post Crisis)[/QUOTE]
I know, but the timeline is still a mess. Since Rebirth, they met in the Lazarus Contract arc, and the Priest's story about Damian father. Dick has seen his memory of Judas Contract (when he first wore the Nightwing suite), but not Slade.
Something is still missing, and DC pushed so hard to make Slade a Damian's enemy, i thought they were just going to ignore Dick and Slade's past rivalry.
Tynion, instead, is clearly telling us that Slade is going to help Joker only because of Dick, and that's just what I was waiting for.
Dick's memories being restored has been meaningless and inconsequential. A lazy attempt at fan appeasement that ultimately has served no purpose. They might a well not have done it cause it hasn't mattered in anyway.
[QUOTE=L.H.;5005604]I know, but the timeline is still a mess. Since Rebirth, they met in the Lazarus Contract arc, and the Priest's story about Damian father. Dick has seen his memory of Judas Contract (when he first wore the Nightwing suite), but not Slade.
Something is still missing, and DC pushed so hard to make Slade a Damian's enemy, i thought they were just going to ignore Dick and Slade's past rivalry.
Tynion, instead, is clearly telling us that Slade is going to help Joker only because of Dick, and that's just what I was waiting for.[/QUOTE]
DC had nothing to do with Priest's obsession with Damian and Slade.
[QUOTE=Godlike13;5005634]Dick's memories being restored has been meaningless and inconsequential. A lazy attempt at fan appeasement that ultimately has served no purpose. They might a well not have done it cause it hasn't mattered in anyway.[/QUOTE]
This. It irk's me so much when I see posts on reddit announcing that he's back y'all! Lets Party! Isn't it great Tynion finally brought him back!.
Dick Grayson is not back yet. It takes more than him being called Dick not Ric or remembering his past.
Is he even acting like Dick Grayson? Can we recognise him?
With how many ideas we have on this forum. If we had to go with the lose memories than fake memories how would you guys write the story.
[QUOTE=L.H.;5005482]I loved this panel, it was about time to restore Dick and Slade's past history.[/QUOTE]
I actually really like this panel too, it'd be nice if they renewed this rivalry a bit. The last good bit of stuff we got between two was in Morrison's Batman and Robin run. Slade has been so busy with Bruce and Damian these last few years.
I'm sure the Titans show will help the push in the comics, but we'll take what we can get.
[QUOTE=Claude;5005541]If the insistence of keeping "Ric" in place until Joker War is so that they can spin-off a revived "Nightwing vs Deathstroke" personal rivalry out of its events in a Nightwing relaunch then...
... Well, if will still have been a stupid idea. But a slightly more respectable one.[/QUOTE]
I mean if you're going to keep going back to the same well, at least go back to the one with the potable water.
[QUOTE=BloodOps;5005734]I actually really like this panel too, it'd be nice if they renewed this rivalry a bit. The last good bit of stuff we got between two was in Morrison's Batman and Robin run. Slade has been so busy with Bruce and Damian these last few years.
I'm sure the Titans show will help the push in the comics, but we'll take what we can get.[/QUOTE]Shows don't cause comic pushes.
Arrow - we didn't suddenly get multiple Canaries in the comics.
Flash - Vibe has been totally AWOL in Rebirth, and I think the same goes for Elongated Man?
Legends of Tomorrow - this team doesn't exist in the comics at all.
Supergirl - when was the last time comics Kara interacted with Martian Manhunter? Also, her adoptive sister doesn't exist in the comics.
Superman & Lois - they have two sons, one of whom doesn't exist in the comics.
Swamp Thing - didn't get a comic at the time the show was released.
[QUOTE=Digifiend;5006528]Shows don't cause comic pushes.
Arrow - we didn't suddenly get multiple Canaries in the comics.
Flash - Vibe has been totally AWOL in Rebirth, and I think the same goes for Elongated Man?
Legends of Tomorrow - this team doesn't exist in the comics at all.
Supergirl - when was the last time comics Kara interacted with Martian Manhunter? Also, her adoptive sister doesn't exist in the comics.
Superman & Lois - they have two sons, one of whom doesn't exist in the comics.
Swamp Thing - didn't get a comic at the time the show was released.[/QUOTE]
Conversely, you had the Rebirth Titans series, which was about dealing with the fallout of kids whose metagenes were activated through...source wall energy leakage I think? This is similar to the plot of Young Justice season 3, which also involved people taking advantage of kids with new activated metagenes. And probably the aspect of working alongside the JL/Miss Martian being a team member after volume 4.
I would also argue that things like BTAS resulted in Dick and Babs being more of a thing in comics.
I think it just depends, really.
I did it depends. The Wonder Twins became characters in the comics. Which did have a little push.
Nightwing is a part of the Justice League during the new death metal crossover
[ATTACH=CONFIG]97504[/ATTACH]
Justice League 52
written by JOSHUA WILLIAMSON
art by XERMANICO
cover by LIAM SHARP
variant cover by BEN OLIVER
"Doom Metal" part one of five -- the Dark Nights: Death Metal tie-in that will directly impact the finale of that event! Nightwing's on a mission to free the Legion of Doom from Perpetua's clutches. But to do so, he'll need the help of none other than...Lex Luthor?! The surprises are only just beginning, as Nightwing, Lex, and a new Justice League must fight their way through an Earth twisted by the Dark Multiverse. Titans will be tested, hearts will be broken, and blood will be spilled!
32 pages, $3.99, available on Sept 15.
Well, thats something. Im up for some Nightwing and Lex. And is that Detective Chimp lol.
I wonder how many times Dick will come in to save the world with the "in case of emergency break glass" Justice League before he gets a regular seat at the table?
DC will never pull Batman from the League for Dick's sake (even though Bruce probably shouldn't be so involved with the team) but they could give Dick Ollie's spot. :p
I kind of like that idea though. It fits with his character. Its like when he became Batman. Its not that he wanted to be Batman, but felt he had to. I like the idea that Dick doesn't want to be them, but he'll be the first guy to be there for them. Not to act as fodder though. I don't mean in that way. Honestly the more i think about it, the more i like it. It would serve a role rather than just being there. We have seen characters come and go on JL all the time, but how many actually serve a role.
[QUOTE=DragonPiece;5006963]Nightwing is a part of the Justice League during the new death metal crossover
[ATTACH=CONFIG]97504[/ATTACH]
Justice League 52
written by JOSHUA WILLIAMSON
art by XERMANICO
cover by LIAM SHARP
variant cover by BEN OLIVER
"Doom Metal" part one of five -- the Dark Nights: Death Metal tie-in that will directly impact the finale of that event! Nightwing's on a mission to free the Legion of Doom from Perpetua's clutches. But to do so, he'll need the help of none other than...Lex Luthor?! The surprises are only just beginning, as Nightwing, Lex, and a new Justice League must fight their way through an Earth twisted by the Dark Multiverse. Titans will be tested, hearts will be broken, and blood will be spilled!
32 pages, $3.99, available on Sept 15.[/QUOTE]
And by Joshua Williamson, too...
Either this will launch Williamson on "Nightwing", or the story will end up with a line up of heroes who get launched as a new Titans. That's my prediction.
[QUOTE=Digifiend;5005501]Additionally, Donna Troy now remembers all of her conflicting origins, including both from New Teen Titans (pre and post Crisis).
[/QUOTE]
Wait, what? This is news to me.
Anyways, I'm interested to see where this Doom Metal stuff goes. Would be nice if Nightwing was allowed to head up the Justice League book...
Anyone else feel the change since DiDio left? I would have never imagined Nightwing to lead the Justice League again.
Dicky or Joker Jr. is also going to fight Batgirl, Batman and the other Robins. If he beat or stalemate them, that will be nice and funny. We deserve it after the Ric nightmare.
[QUOTE=qwazer07;5007328][B]Anyone else feel the change since DiDio left?[/B] I would have never imagined Nightwing to lead the Justice League again.[/QUOTE]
I want to say yes, but I'm afraid I'm just grabbing at anything that looks even remotely like hope.
But.....Snyder doing a Grayson project, Dick getting back to normal, what appears to be a five issue story where he gets to lead a League in the flagship title.....
Even if none of this has actually materialized yet, just the rumor and hint and solicits are better than what we got under Didio in the last few years.
Lee did say he'd protect Nightwing. Maybe he was serious about that. But I've been burned by DC enough to not trust a thing they say until I have the issue/s in my own hands. And that's just getting Nightwing back on track, "quality" hasn't even entered the conversation yet and I demand more from DC and Nightwing than just crap stories where Dick is wearing the costume and going by the right name. No, I demand good stories too!
I remain in a "hope for the best, prepare for the worst" mindset for now.
But, unless my eyes deceive me, things *are* looking a bit better.