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I think the Court did recruit young, they just didn't freeze anyone until they were adults. Weren't they getting ready to nab Dick after his parents died, but Bruce got there first? They definitely indoctrinate their assassins at a young age, there's just no reason to freeze them until they're getting older and you want to squeeze as much out of the investment as possible.
Assuming I remember this right, of course.
Anyway, I'm fine with the idea of Haly's being a training ground. Court refugees or Spyral orphans or whatever, Dick's at his best when he's got some kids to teach and Haly's, whether it's a circus, casino, or varied entertainment venue, is a good place to do that.
Now, if only DC could get a writer with ideas half as good as what this forum throws out on a daily basis, and half as much passion for the character.....
Ha! If I tweeted Jim Lee and told him I'd write the book for a dollar per issue, think he'd take me up on it? :p
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So we have a storyline. So Dick goes undercover as an acrobat. HE does because he hears about children going missing. He kicks out the court and trains the children for using their talent for good. So what happens to the children next? Are they going to be sent to the Teen Titans? or just a new team that Dick creates?
We can have Haley's be all three. Like someone said Haley's will travel but will also be a Bludhaven near the entertainment scene. Due to this some of the performs will work for the casinos to get some exposure for the circus. Which can have Dick be spying around.
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[QUOTE=AmiMizuno;4993482]What parts were Blue and what parts were red?[/QUOTE]
Elements of black and gray akin to the Young Justice cartoon. The bird on the chest was definitely blue, I'm pretty sure the red tended to be a couple of very subtle pinstripes, pads and details on some of the designwork. The most notable and easy to remember part is that the design came together so that the tips of the feathers on the bird's wings jumped from blue to red. But it was simple, not overcomplicated, and pretty light on both colors. The biggest pop of color was the blue bird emblem. Everything else was subtle detailing, and the red was a mid-tone red. Red enough to be red, deep enough not to be bright, and muted enough not to seem like neon or anything.
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Well, look who made it back in time for Death Metal (he’s next to Supergirl and Wonder Woman’s shoulder). Direct from Snyder’s twitter.
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[QUOTE=sifighter;4998539]Well, look who made it back in time for Death Metal (he’s next to Supergirl and Wonder Woman’s shoulder). Direct from Snyder’s twitter.
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Well hello there gorgeous. Come here often?
It's hard to tell but is he wearing the costume from the epilogue of Doomsday Clock, the one that is basically just the old DCAU version with the actual bird/wing emblem?
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Hope this is a step in the right direction
Okay if we have Haley's Circus. Okay, who is the supporting cast? I mean yeah we have Dick saving both Talons and children who were indoctrinated. Okay they are supporting cast. But to keep building his world. Maybe add Zatanna since it's needed the entertainment.
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[QUOTE=sifighter;4998539]Well, look who made it back in time for Death Metal (he’s next to Supergirl and Wonder Woman’s shoulder). Direct from Snyder’s twitter.
[ATTACH=CONFIG]97342[/ATTACH][/QUOTE]From left to right, Booster Gold, Green Arrow, Black Lightning, Mister Miracle, Harley Quinn (with a shaved head - the pants make it obvious it's her), ???, Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, Nightwing, Supergirl, Beast Boy (with a beard instead of just sideburns - he's clearly been aged up), Blue Beetle (Ted Kord), Atom (Ray Palmer)?
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[QUOTE=Digifiend;4999171]From left to right, Booster Gold, Green Arrow, Black Lightning, Mister Miracle, Harley Quinn (with a shaved head - the pants make it obvious it's her), ???, Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, Nightwing, Supergirl, Beast Boy (with a beard instead of just sideburns - he's clearly been aged up), Blue Beetle (Ted Kord), Atom (Ray Palmer)?[/QUOTE]
I think the ??? one might be Swamp Thing, hard to tell but in other art I've seen Swamp Thing has been dilapidated and on fire. Also I like Beast Boy being here, he and the teen titans/titans got sidelined in the last Metal event so its cool to see him alongside Dick.
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Yeah pretty sure that's Swamp Thing.
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Okay if we have Haley's Circus. Okay, who is the supporting cast? I mean yeah we have Dick saving both Talons and children who were indoctrinated. Okay they are supporting cast. But to keep building his world. Maybe add Zatanna since it's needed the entertainment.[/QUOTE]
For supporting cast you can bring back Haly. Pretty much everyone else from the New52 (Higgins?) run is dead (and not worth bringing back) or evil. But Haly would/should be a linchpin supporting cast member; Dick's Alfred.
Were there any circus names mentioned back in the Golden Age? Any performers who spoke with the Graysons that could be brought back into the fold and/or have kids now performing? I can't think of any off the top of my head but maybe someone who's read an Archive more recently will know?
The Talons-in-training that Dick saves would largely have to be original characters, but you could sneak in Calvin Rose (star of the short******d Talon solo) and Strix, the female Talon from Birds of Prey. Both characters are non-entities most of us have forgotten, with just enough of a character for a writer to build on. They'd be well suited for a position in the supporting cast where they perform and take care of the kids.
Zatanna, I'd be real damn careful about her. She should absolutely be a regular guest star, but making her a permanent part of the book.....that's a delicate balance. I'm all about Dick dating Power Girl, so I believe that kind of dynamic can be maintained long-term, but it's not the easiest thing to pull off without Zee looking inept or Dick looking helpless.
Then you'd have regular customers at Haly's who may or may not be established characters (depending on where Haly's is set), etc.
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[QUOTE=Ascended;4999754]Yeah pretty sure that's Swamp Thing.
For supporting cast you can bring back Haly. Pretty much everyone else from the New52 (Higgins?) run is dead (and not worth bringing back) or evil. But Haly would/should be a linchpin supporting cast member; Dick's Alfred.
Were there any circus names mentioned back in the Golden Age? Any performers who spoke with the Graysons that could be brought back into the fold and/or have kids now performing? I can't think of any off the top of my head but maybe someone who's read an Archive more recently will know?
The Talons-in-training that Dick saves would largely have to be original characters, but you could sneak in Calvin Rose (star of the short******d Talon solo) and Strix, the female Talon from Birds of Prey. Both characters are non-entities most of us have forgotten, with just enough of a character for a writer to build on. They'd be well suited for a position in the supporting cast where they perform and take care of the kids.
Zatanna, I'd be real damn careful about her. She should absolutely be a regular guest star, but making her a permanent part of the book.....that's a delicate balance. I'm all about Dick dating Power Girl, so I believe that kind of dynamic can be maintained long-term, but it's not the easiest thing to pull off without Zee looking inept or Dick looking helpless.
Then you'd have regular customers at Haly's who may or may not be established characters (depending on where Haly's is set), etc.[/QUOTE]
Sounds good. The question is how does Power Girl meet DIck at least in his own book? The way I see it is Haley's location will change. For example, Sumer/Spring they are at Bludhaven but Winter/Fall on the move.
'm curious when it comes to current animation of Nightwing who does it better YJ or DAMU?
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[QUOTE=AmiMizuno;4999889]Sounds good. The question is how does Power Girl meet DIck at least in his own book?[/QUOTE]
The real question is why they don't cross paths more often.
Karen Starr runs a major corporation. Dick Grayson is the first son of billionaire businessman Bruce Wayne.
Nightwing is a respected and well known hero with ties to Gotham, Metropolis, the League and the Titans. Power Girl is a hero with ties to Metropolis, the JSA, the League, and Harley Quinn.
Dick and Karen already know each other and have worked briefly together in the League. They know a lot of the same people. There's tons of places where they could run into each other; business conventions, hero Crisis events, Haly's itself. They could run into each other while chasing down the same villain, at a memorial for fallen Terras, anywhere.
The real challenge is building their dynamic in a organic way and not instantly pissing off the hardcore Babs and Kori shippers.
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[QUOTE=Ascended;4999949]The real question is why they don't cross paths more often.
Karen Starr runs a major corporation. Dick Grayson is the first son of billionaire businessman Bruce Wayne.
Nightwing is a respected and well known hero with ties to Gotham, Metropolis, the League and the Titans. Power Girl is a hero with ties to Metropolis, the JSA, the League, and Harley Quinn.
Dick and Karen already know each other and have worked briefly together in the League. They know a lot of the same people. There's tons of places where they could run into each other; business conventions, hero Crisis events, Haly's itself. They could run into each other while chasing down the same villain, at a memorial for fallen Terras, anywhere.
The real challenge is building their dynamic in a organic way and not instantly pissing off the hardcore Babs and Kori shippers.[/QUOTE]Well the reason they don't cross path is because 1. DC doesn't know what to do with nightwing or what role he plays in the DCU. 2. The bat office not letting nightwing move on.
I still believe that the best status quo for nightwing is
1. Globetrotting
2.more Meta human threats
3. Greater role in the DCU
Those 3 thing should be the foundation for nightwing as a concept and stand apart from not only batman but the dozen other bat characters.
Dick can live and own a business in bludhaven but not nightwing. Nightwing should be a global strike force.
And hell yes to nightwing and power girl:cool:
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To be fair, they have even less of a clue as to what to do with Power Girl.
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[QUOTE=Godlike13;5000002]To be fair, they have even less of a clue as to what to do with Power Girl.[/QUOTE]
True! But all the more reason to shack these characters up and do something new.
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Okay. Dick owns the Circus so he owns his own business. Haley is there to teach Dick the ropes. So how do we get Karen to meet Dick organically? I think there is a way to do it. Dick and Karen are tracking down the same lead. They help each other out. What if one of the young talon's they picked was where Karen lives. The question would be what would set Karen off to find them and how she runs into Dick. I already had the idea of the Circus is in Karent's city.
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[QUOTE=WonderNight;4999969]Well the reason they don't cross path is because 1. DC doesn't know what to do with nightwing or what role he plays in the DCU. 2. The bat office not letting nightwing move on.[/QUOTE]
I know the *real* question isn't what I posted. :p
[QUOTE]I still believe that the best status quo for nightwing is
1. Globetrotting
2.more Meta human threats
3. Greater role in the DCU[/QUOTE]
Hells yes.
I really think taking a page from the Grayson book and season 3 of YJ is a solid blueprint and direction; putting Dick in that "world traveling super spy" role is a niche nobody else in DC fills, it's something that plays to his strengths and history, it's unique, and he's uniquely suited to it.
I really don't understand why DC seems to think they're better off treating Dick as a sidekick. He's not bringing sales to Batman that Batman isn't getting on his own, but as an independent hero (with ties to Gotham) Dick could be **soooooo** much more profitable than he is, and his popularity, longevity, and success in larger media all point to this character having more potential than DC is realizing. As a fan it annoys me, but as a businessman it actively makes me mad; I hate seeing money left on the table because a company is too damn lazy or stupid to see it.
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If we still want to have Dick globetrotting not hard. I mean how hard would it be that other performing places whether it is another circus on something similar would want to partner with him? However, a simple one would be him also searching for young talons.
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[QUOTE=Godlike13;5000002]To be fair, they have even less of a clue as to what to do with Power Girl.[/QUOTE]
What did Power Girl do at the height of her popularity btw?
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It depends. Since she has popped up in a few animation shows. Heck in DCSuperhero girls Supergirl draws up like Powergirl. So I would say it's average. So if we have Power girl has his love interest how do we interest the two? Okay, the two meet up at a Wayne event.
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Oh shoot. We talking Nightwing directions/supporting casts and such again? My favorite topic!
Here's my big supporting cast pitch: Lor Zod/Chris Kent as Flamebird, Nightwing's sidekick. Granted, he might be tied up in whatever Bendis or whoever is doing right now, but things change in comics pretty quick. Lor is still young. He's got the whole evil-parents thing that keeps popping up in Dick's life. He'd be a connection to the world of the Supers that Dick fully deserves. He even has preexisting connection to property: Chris was Nightwing during the Batman Reborn era.
[QUOTE=Godlike13;4995143]That works too. The first thing that popped to my head was Nightwing finds a collection of sleeping Talons and tries to save them using Haley’s and turning it into refuge for them now. Them all being Circus family so to speak. Jurgan’s made Cobb into some mustash twirling villain as if he was Court management, but if he actually bothered to do proper research Talons were actually just tools warped and turned to monsters by the Court.[/QUOTE]
This is a great angle, and one I hadn't yet considered.
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What about Jai West as a potential protege.
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Nightwing and the Signal take center stage in Batman: Gotham Nights #8
[url]https://www.gamesradar.com/nightwing-and-the-signal-take-center-stage-in-batman-gotham-nights-8/[/url]
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[QUOTE=Drako;5001717]Nightwing and the Signal take center stage in Batman: Gotham Nights #8
[url]https://www.gamesradar.com/nightwing-and-the-signal-take-center-stage-in-batman-gotham-nights-8/[/url][/QUOTE]
Huh. Zucco's family getting bigger if we count everyone. There's the eldest daughter, Sonia, a banker. This guy, Brian Lester, looks like he's a young adult too... then there's the kid(s) he got from his new wife in New 52 who later left him.
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[QUOTE=Godlike13;5001659]What about Jai West as a potential protege.[/QUOTE]
An interesting suggestion.
Are you thinking Jai with speed powers, Jai with no powers, or the Jai who might have maybe been the new Turtle we saw in that one panel from Doomsday Clock?
I obviously have no idea what the current status of the West kids is, other than they're back as of that Flash Forward mini. :p
I could easily see Wally sending his kid/s to train with Dick, too.
Gods, a speedster who was also trained by Nightwing? That's a scary son of a bitch.....
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[QUOTE=Restingvoice;5001759]Huh. Zucco's family getting bigger if we count everyone. There's the eldest daughter, Sonia, a banker. This guy, Brian Lester, looks like he's a young adult too... then there's the kid(s) he got from his new wife in New 52 who later left him.[/QUOTE]
I like it. Those classic/stereotype Italian mob bosses always have huge families.....
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[QUOTE=Ascended;5002256]An interesting suggestion.
Are you thinking Jai with speed powers, Jai with no powers, or the Jai who might have maybe been the new Turtle we saw in that one panel from Doomsday Clock?
I obviously have no idea what the current status of the West kids is, other than they're back as of that Flash Forward mini. :p
I could easily see Wally sending his kid/s to train with Dick, too.
Gods, a speedster who was also trained by Nightwing? That's a scary son of a bitch.....[/QUOTE]
No powers, he could even become the turtle down the line ultimately, and ignoring current weird state of the West family. The motivation behind it would be as a way to keep Jai from being left out, and learn how to protect himself since he doesn’t have powers. Who better to show Jai you don’t necessarily need powers to be a hero.
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Hell, even if the kid has powers, there's not many people in the DCU better at training young heroes.
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[QUOTE=Restingvoice;5001521]What did Power Girl do at the height of her popularity btw?[/QUOTE]
She was prominent and eventually lead the Justice Society of America (JSA, Justice Society of America and JSA vs Kobra), lead her own splinter team (JSA All-Stars) and had her own run of comics (Power Girl Vol. 2). She was appearing in other books as well. PG was making lots of waves in the mid-to-late 2000s before the reboot took out her momentum.
[QUOTE=Godlike13;5001659]What about Jai West as a potential protege.[/QUOTE]
I think Jai West would work if it was a Dick-Wally team-up book. Not that Dick couldn't be a great mentor, but Wally's one of his closest friends and the kid's dad. It would be weird if he was absent the whole time. But a Nighwing/Flash ongoing book? I'd be all over that.
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Many like Rose Wilson. Why not have her come back?
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Bring in Rose and Priest :cool:
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Seeing Wilson and Priest name after reading today's Nightwing issue made me think of this :
[spoil]Bruce, Broose, Brucie, this is what happened when you neglect your sons. Villains will see them as poor lost boys and try to adopt them as their own. Before on TT Deathstoke targeted Damian, and now Joker try to adopt Dick. Perhaps after this Ra's will try to target Tim again XD[/spoil]
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[QUOTE=AmiMizuno;5002447]Many like Rose Wilson. Why not have her come back?[/QUOTE]
I agree. On my memory, the last I see Rose is on Priest book and she has somewhat okay relationship with Deathstroke. I like her more when she hates Slade.
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I think Jai West would work if it was a Dick-Wally team-up book. Not that Dick couldn't be a great mentor, but Wally's one of his closest friends and the kid's dad. It would be weird if he was absent the whole time. But a Nighwing/Flash ongoing book? I'd be all over that.[/QUOTE]
Me too, I am not against Nightwing has protege, but if in the future he will have protege I hope that protege is someone Dick purely choose himself and not because they are related with someone he knows. After Tim and Damian, if Wally left Jai under Dick's care, Dick will be DC's Ultimate Babysitter.
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[QUOTE=Ascended;5002256]An interesting suggestion.
Are you thinking Jai with speed powers, Jai with no powers, or the Jai who might have maybe been the new Turtle we saw in that one panel from Doomsday Clock?
I obviously have no idea what the current status of the West kids is, other than they're back as of that Flash Forward mini. :p
I could easily see Wally sending his kid/s to train with Dick, too.
Gods, a speedster who was also trained by Nightwing? That's a scary son of a bitch.....[/QUOTE]
So he would be like BART ALLEN.
In the issue where BART ALLEN dies in the fight vs the rogues he confirms that he was trained by BATMANS PROTEGEE.
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[QUOTE=Light of Justice;5002754]Seeing Wilson and Priest name after reading today's Nightwing issue made me think of this :
[spoil]Bruce, Broose, Brucie, this is what happened when you neglect your sons. Villains will see them as poor lost boys and try to adopt them as their own. Before on TT Deathstoke targeted Damian, and now Joker try to adopt Dick. Perhaps after this Ra's will try to target Tim again XD[/spoil][/QUOTE]
Since Rebirth Ra's has his eyes set on a new Bat kid. Duke. He's been trying his best to
seduce Duke over to the dark side.
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I love the idea of Rose as Dick's protege. He's mentored her before so why not make it status quo.
It'll mean Slade trolling Dick on a regular bases which is a very good thing.
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[QUOTE=dietrich;5002890]I love the idea of Rose as Dick's protege. He's mentored her before so why not make it status quo.
It'll mean Slade trolling Dick on a regular bases which is a very good thing.[/QUOTE]
or Dick trolling Slade, depending on what kind of father he is
[QUOTE=dietrich;5002885]Since Rebirth Ra's has his eyes set on a new Bat kid. Duke. He's been trying his best to
seduce Duke over to the dark side.[/QUOTE]
It's hilarious how Ra's started out with Bruce and keeps going down the line because he always failed.
He skipped over Dick since he was Robin at the time he sets his eyes on Bruce and since he's his first victim, Dick is bound to reject the League even after he's shown his potential, so they see no point.
Then Jason died and trained among the League but he went off on his own
Then Tim, when he lost faith on the others but of course he returns to the Bat family
Then Damian who they groomed but ran away
Now Duke
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hilarious, or a severe lack of originality.
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[QUOTE=Godlike13;5002975]hilarious, or a severe lack of originality.[/QUOTE]
The severe lack of originality is what make it hilarious
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Okay we have Rose as Dick's protegee. What do we do with how? Do we keep her origin story or something different? Should we have her be around the same age as Dick when he became Robin?
