Dick Grayson: Robin / Nightwing Appreciation 2020

[QUOTE=K. Jones;5198293]What's in store for Nightwing after Future State?

We know Snyder's backing off the mainline DCU but is working on a Nightwing thing which is nice. We don't have an artist for that I don't think but I'm curious who anybody would want to see on art detail for that. I think Jock could be good because of the full circle with Black Mirror. Same for Francisco Francavilla. But their styles don't scream Nightwing as much as Batman, and I tend to like Jock more on one-off issues, not for whole runs. Capullo's probably moving onto a different project. Mikel Janin's doing that Wonder Woman jam.

So I'm curious who anyone might like to see.[/QUOTE]

If you what to know what story's are coming up for nightwing, well let's take a look.

Gotham knights:Batman is gone nightwing protects Batman's city.

Synder's black label: Batman is gone nightwing protects batman's city.

Future state: Batman is gone nightwing protects Batman's city.

So the same as normal.

[QUOTE=K. Jones;5198293]What's in store for Nightwing after Future State?

We know Snyder's backing off the mainline DCU but is working on a Nightwing thing which is nice. We don't have an artist for that I don't think but I'm curious who anybody would want to see on art detail for that. I think Jock could be good because of the full circle with Black Mirror. Same for Francisco Francavilla. But their styles don't scream Nightwing as much as Batman, and I tend to like Jock more on one-off issues, not for whole runs. Capullo's probably moving onto a different project. Mikel Janin's doing that Wonder Woman jam.

So I'm curious who anyone might like to see.[/QUOTE]

Chris Samnee.

Jock is my first choice too, but depend on what kind of story, if it's still horror-detective, maybe aside from Jock, Lee Weeks?
If it's futuristic sci-fi because of the Parabola system, my first choice is Capullo, then depending on how sci-fi it is, Rocafort, but I don't think Rocafort fits Batman, he's too sci-fi.

Given the homage they did to Black Mirror in The Batman Who Laughs, its gotta be Jock. If he's returning to finish up from that era its gotta be Jock or maybe McCarthy.

We also have the Titans. Dick is in that one. He and the main titans had a academy but Red X destroyed everything. Yea it’s not like Tim or Babs can’t take care of Gotham.

Teen Titans. im not expecting much from that to be honest.

It's baffling how backwards DC's priorities are. Why are they so insistent on crippling good characters who have proven audiences and have been profitable up to date?

I understand taking a risk and diversifying but why don't they ever go for the everyone thrives mentality? They must know that these decisions are hurting their IP's. This Dick was better as Ric, Damian is a Suicide Bomber, Tim is Robin again, Babs is Oracle without the empowering and positive rep.
Luke is a 2 month filler not Batman rather than promoting his own identity of Batwing.

DC is just a mess and their comics are no longer fun.

[QUOTE=Godlike13;5198440]Chris Samnee.[/QUOTE]

I'd love that.

[QUOTE=CPSparkles;5198861]It's baffling how backwards DC's priorities are. Why are they so insistent on crippling good characters who have proven audiences and have been profitable up to date?

I understand taking a risk and diversifying but why don't they ever go for the everyone thrives mentality? They must know that these decisions are hurting their IP's. This Dick was better as Ric, Damian is a Suicide Bomber, Tim is Robin again, Babs is Oracle without the empowering and positive rep.
Luke is a 2 month filler not Batman rather than promoting his own identity of Batwing.

DC is just a mess and their comics are no longer fun.[/QUOTE]

All of this is still DiDio legacy, I hope after Future State DC is going to leave that behind and start again. Williamson's JL is one step in he right direction, Snyder's Blank Label can be the second. Still waiting for Tomasi: he said his Det. Com. run was going to have a lot of Damian and Dick.

Also, I've heard rumors about Timothy Fox being next Batman, insted of Luke. I don't even know who he is.

[QUOTE=L.H.;5199540]All of this is still DiDio legacy, I hope after Future State DC is going to leave that behind and start again. Williamson's JL is one step in he right direction, Snyder's Blank Label can be the second. Still waiting for Tomasi: he said his Det. Com. run was going to have a lot of Damian and Dick.

Also, I've heard rumors about Timothy Fox being next Batman, insted of Luke. I don't even know who he is.[/QUOTE]

I suspected as much. When Father and Son is fighting, they'll stop when Mom is kidnapped by Evil Dad

Older son of Lucius Fox from like 2 continuities ago

Wow that Nightwing issue was pretty bad. Good art wasted. Justice League was pretty good again though.

Have they ever explored the "Dick Grayson is a multiversal constant" idea?

Season 4 of titans confirmed

[QUOTE=Rac7d*;5201607]Season 4 of titans confirmed[/QUOTE]

I'm excited about what I've been hearing regarding Dick for season 3. So if it's all good, then GREAT! Another season.

Hopefully I can say the same for Jason. But I'm less confident.

are there any good newer "retro" stories about Dick in his Robin years? Maybe around the first year or so he was with the rebooted teen titans? (Starfire, Changeling, etc.)

[QUOTE=Hypestyle;5202495]are there any good newer "retro" stories about Dick in his Robin years? Maybe around the first year or so he was with the rebooted teen titans? (Starfire, Changeling, etc.)[/QUOTE]

Robin 80th is pretty solid

[QUOTE=Hypestyle;5202495]are there any good newer "retro" stories about Dick in his Robin years? Maybe around the first year or so he was with the rebooted teen titans? (Starfire, Changeling, etc.)[/QUOTE]

How new? Like modern storytelling or within the past 5 years. There were a lot of good ones in the early '00s.

[QUOTE=Tsukiakari1203;5202649]Robin 80th is pretty solid[/QUOTE]None of the stories are really him as Robin though. One is set as he's transitioning to Nightwing, another is a Nightwing solo story, another one is Nightwing with the 1999 Titans team, and the last is Agent 37 during the Grayson series.

[QUOTE=Hypestyle;5202495]are there any good newer "retro" stories about Dick in his Robin years? Maybe around the first year or so he was with the rebooted teen titans? (Starfire, Changeling, etc.)[/QUOTE]

Not many. Stories with him as Robin are pretty rare these days, especially stories that focus on him as Robin instead of him only having a cameo. I guess it just doesn't make sense to them to make stories with him as Robin when they want to push Tim or Damian in that role. I think Jason has even appeared more as Robin if I look into it.

One that comes to mind is Tomasi's Batman and Robin Annual #2 from the New 52. It sucks that it is set in the messed up New 52 continuity. So it is early in his career, but he is kind of old because of the New 52 timeline. Plus he is in his awful New 52 costume, but some like that costume so it might make it better I guess. Still, it really showcases some fun aspects of the character. I wouldn't call it a great story, but it is a lot of fun. I can't really think of any more from the last 10-15 years that are that good.

[QUOTE=Hizashi;5201333]Have they ever explored the "Dick Grayson is a multiversal constant" idea?[/QUOTE]

Not really. I'm surprised Seeley got away with that statement tbh. The Dr Hurt arc Seeley did was a good start and was supposed to explore the multiversal constant theme after Clark mentioned it in one of the prior Issues. if I remember correctly it was even supposed to lead into Metal? In the end it just felt unconnected though.

I'd love to read a story that explores the concept, even just a story in which Dick gets roped into multiverse shenanigans.

[QUOTE=Badou;5203029]I think Jason has even appeared more as Robin if I look into it.[/QUOTE]Depends what you count, Jason in his own book gets more Flashbacks to his time as Robin than Dick, and we get know occasionally versions of Jason's origin story and his death in "Elseworld" settings. But when it comes to full length stories with them as Robin in the main continuity, those are still rarer for Jason
I think other than the one in the 80 Year Robin book we didn't had one since Retroactive: Batman-The '80, and in most of these stories Jason isn't even the main character.

[QUOTE=Hizashi;5201333]Have they ever explored the "Dick Grayson is a multiversal constant" idea?[/QUOTE]

No coz they don't really let him be a part of multiverse story
In the past similar ideas exist
Infinite Crisis, "is this earth's Dick Grayson a corrupted version of yours?" "no"
Convergence, "your bond with Bruce Wayne echoes in every reality" and "if you're like the Dick Grayson I know, you'll know what to do"
Both stories involve a Superman in those conversations too btw
Although those events are limited to two Earths only

Rather than Dick as a Multiversal Constant of being similar too each other and innately good because Deathwing and Nightwing New Order exist, it's more correct to say that Dynamic Duo is the Multiversal Constant. Good and evil, living or dead, past or future, because a Dick Grayson is always paired with a Batman, even crossing earths and crossing time, such as Batman One Million with present Dick, the vampire Batman and vampire hunter Dick, Thomas Wayne Batman and civilian Earth 2 Dick, the robot Batman and Little League Dick.

It's also pretty consistent that the death of one is the other's breaking point, or at least make destabilize them enough. Batman about to kill a Luthor after he almost killed Dick in two continuities, Nightwing New Order, the reason Dick depower all superheroes is Bruce's death, an Elseworld fantasy Batman went insane and keeps Dick's corpse by his throne, vampire hunter Dick couldn't bring himself to vanquish vampire Batman, even though he killed his parents. The whole Owlman subplot in Forever Evil to get a Dick Grayson to replace his.

[QUOTE=Restingvoice;5203160]

Rather than Dick as a Multiversal Constant of being similar too each other and innately good because [B]Deathwing[/B] and Nightwing New Order exist, it's more correct to say that Dynamic Duo is the Multiversal Constant. Good and evil, living or dead, past or future, because a Dick Grayson is always paired with a Batman, even crossing earths and crossing time, such as Batman One Million with present Dick, the vampire Batman and vampire hunter Dick, Thomas Wayne Batman and civilian Earth 2 Dick, the robot Batman and Little League Dick.
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Neither versions of Deathwing are actually Dick Grayson. And the New Order Nightwing wasn't a bad person.

[QUOTE=Drako;5203425]Neither versions of Deathwing are actually Dick Grayson. And the New Order Nightwing wasn't a bad person.[/QUOTE]

I know the latest one isn't but who's the first one?

[QUOTE=Restingvoice;5203429]I know the latest one isn't but who's the first one?[/QUOTE]

This weird dude:

[url]https://dc.fandom.com/wiki/Deathwing_(Team_Titans)[/url]

[QUOTE=Drako;5203436]This weird dude:

[url]https://dc.fandom.com/wiki/Deathwing_(Team_Titans)[/url][/QUOTE]

Oh I thought he's an alternate universe Nightwing

[QUOTE=Restingvoice;5203438]Oh I thought he's an alternate universe Nightwing[/QUOTE]

I don't blame you, his story is a mess.

[QUOTE=Rac7d*;5201607]Season 4 of titans confirmed[/QUOTE]

Hope this season's better

[QUOTE=Drako;5203441]I don't blame you, his story is a mess.[/QUOTE]

The entire Team Titans era is just a rabbit hole to Wonderland, with no logic or sense to be found anywhere.

But I do like the "multiverse Deathwing" even if we've never actually had that. Has Seeley ever talked about his original plans for his Deathwing? I heard that it *was* going to be a multiverse thing (Dick's visions when he's stabbed seem to confirm it) but DC shot down the idea part-way through, or something.

Hey, look what made a comeback in today's issue of Tomasi's Detective Comics.

[IMG]https://i.imgur.com/Q2Dynn1.jpg[/IMG]

Cool, but please no more skydiving.

[QUOTE=Drako;5206909]Hey, look what made a comeback in today's issue of Tomasi's Detective Comics.

[IMG]https://i.imgur.com/Q2Dynn1.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]

Yeah, Tomasi is true to his word. We had Dick and [spoil] Damian [/spoil] in the same issue, I'm excited.

What's wrong with skydiving? How was he supposed to reach a boat otherwise?

@Restingvoice: thanks for your answer about Timothy Fox

It is kind of pathetic how Dick just falls right in line after being Ric for two years, but it is what you expect from Nightwing now. Just uninspiring stories and zero creativity, lol. We have to wait until March now until the possibility of things getting any better, but I don't have any confidence they will at this point.

We know Snyder is coming. Gotham or not, it’s the biggest spotlight Dick has been given in nearly a decade. There’s no need to hedge on being hopeful. Good things are on the way.

[QUOTE=Drako;5206909]Hey, look what made a comeback in today's issue of Tomasi's Detective Comics.

[IMG]https://i.imgur.com/Q2Dynn1.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]

I've not been reading 'Tec - is it worth picking up this week for Dick/a story that looks like Dick will be a support player in? Or is basically a cameo?

[QUOTE=Claude;5207071]I've not been reading 'Tec - is it worth picking up this week for Dick/a story that looks like Dick will be a support player in? Or is basically a cameo?[/QUOTE]

He appears in like 3 pages, helping Bruce. That's it.

Don't read Batgirl. WASTE OF MONEY. I told you guys numerous times. Babs is a bad and boring love interest. Babs is someone who puts him down and holds him back. Our boy is meant to fly. Give him Zatanna. Please ;)

[QUOTE=qwazer07;5207163]Don't read Batgirl. WASTE OF MONEY. I told you guys numerous times. Babs is a bad and boring love interest. Babs is someone who puts him down and holds him back. Our boy is meant to fly. Give him Zatanna. Please ;)[/QUOTE]

Zatanna was Bruce's love interest at some point. I don't think she would be the best option.

[QUOTE=Konja7;5207166]Zatanna was Bruce's love interest at some point. I don't think she would be the best option.[/QUOTE]

Retcon? Come on. DC has done it before. This time it will actually be good. Bludhaven could get more spooky.

Anyway, Nightwing is back. I'm back. Glad to be back. I am here to back my boi. The back-to-back champion of all time every time, Dick Grayson.