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The dickbabs thing was just shipper fan service, it wont matter outside of this issue. Dick doesn't need romance right now but if he does please no one from Gotham or batfam. Im sick of dicks world revolving around batman, gotham and batfam. Nightwing has become nothing more than another robin and batgirl steading behind batman as one of his many little subordinates. All Barbara mean for Nightwing is more bat sidekick.
I liked almost everything about the DC Last Days of the Special. Except the DickBabs stuff. And I'm 100% a constantly awkward in, out, mad, not mad, Sam & Diane Dick & Babs insane chronology, story and I ship them differently and in that on-again/off-again, depends on the story execution way, than I ship other characters. But nothing in this Death Metal event in the slightest, and nothing in any of the recent comic books remotely indicates anything that makes this earned to any degree. There's no recent history of Dick & Babs Escalation in anything and not that much skin in the game of stakes in a "The Universe Might End" storyline to sell it as a concept - even for a get-out-of-consequences-free brief bit of story that goes out of its way to just have it be this "hey it's just one night before another Crisis might happen" shared stress trauma settle things and hash it out gimmick.
But that said there was one thing I did like. I like the concept - not necessarily timed well here - but I like the concept of Dick and Babs falling into Sam & Diane style bickering again once more ... and Bruce entering the picture finally being a little less distant from his close friends and being like "You know what ... I do have personal skin in this game and I'm sick of you two engaging in this cycle or pattern so I challenge you to do something different," sort of thing. It's surprisingly human and switched-on of Bruce to finally stop focusing so much on Crime Conspiracies and Detective Puzzles and Global Contingency Plans and look at his two friends like a person and to ... well, to ALFRED THEM a little.
[QUOTE=K. Jones;5267135]I liked almost everything about the DC Last Days of the Special. Except the DickBabs stuff. And I'm 100% a constantly awkward in, out, mad, not mad, Sam & Diane Dick & Babs insane chronology, story and I ship them differently and in that on-again/off-again, depends on the story execution way, than I ship other characters. But nothing in this Death Metal event in the slightest, and nothing in any of the recent comic books remotely indicates anything that makes this earned to any degree. There's no recent history of Dick & Babs Escalation in anything and not that much skin in the game of stakes in a "The Universe Might End" storyline to sell it as a concept - even for a get-out-of-consequences-free brief bit of story that goes out of its way to just have it be this "hey it's just one night before another Crisis might happen" shared stress trauma settle things and hash it out gimmick.
But that said there was one thing I did like. I like the concept - not necessarily timed well here - but I like the concept of Dick and Babs falling into Sam & Diane style bickering again once more ... and Bruce entering the picture finally being a little less distant from his close friends and being like "You know what ... I do have personal skin in this game and I'm sick of you two engaging in this cycle or pattern so I challenge you to do something different," sort of thing. It's surprisingly human and switched-on of Bruce to finally stop focusing so much on Crime Conspiracies and Detective Puzzles and Global Contingency Plans and look at his two friends like a person and to ... well, to ALFRED THEM a little.[/QUOTE]
Bruce's role felt so random.
This seems no different to me then the Rogue Gambit marrige,
they said lets cut the will they wont they crap and do it.
They have the history and always come back to each other
[QUOTE=Rac7d*;5267168]This seems no different to me then the Rogue Gambit marrige,
they said lets cut the will they wont they crap and do it.
They have the history and always come back to each other[/QUOTE]
Except I don't think we're going to be seeing this referenced after Death Metal :p.
[QUOTE=K. Jones;5267135]I liked almost everything about the DC Last Days of the Special. Except the DickBabs stuff. And I'm 100% a constantly awkward in, out, mad, not mad, Sam & Diane Dick & Babs insane chronology, story and I ship them differently and in that on-again/off-again, depends on the story execution way, than I ship other characters. But nothing in this Death Metal event in the slightest, and nothing in any of the recent comic books remotely indicates anything that makes this earned to any degree. There's no recent history of Dick & Babs Escalation in anything and not that much skin in the game of stakes in a "The Universe Might End" storyline to sell it as a concept - even for a get-out-of-consequences-free brief bit of story that goes out of its way to just have it be this "hey it's just one night before another Crisis might happen" shared stress trauma settle things and hash it out gimmick.
But that said there was one thing I did like. I like the concept - not necessarily timed well here - but I like the concept of Dick and Babs falling into Sam & Diane style bickering again once more ... and Bruce entering the picture finally being a little less distant from his close friends and being like "You know what ... I do have personal skin in this game and I'm sick of you two engaging in this cycle or pattern so I challenge you to do something different," sort of thing. It's surprisingly human and switched-on of Bruce to finally stop focusing so much on Crime Conspiracies and Detective Puzzles and Global Contingency Plans and look at his two friends like a person and to ... well, to ALFRED THEM a little.[/QUOTE]
Seeing Bruce go into "Best Friend Mode" is a delight for me. More of that! More of THAT! More Papa Batman being a straight up PAL, ya know?
[QUOTE=Flash Gordon;5267245]Seeing Bruce go into "Best Friend Mode" is a delight for me. More of that! More of THAT! More Papa Batman being a straight up PAL, ya know?[/QUOTE]
You're asking a lot, but yeah. I'm tired of "but Bruce died in the alley, Batman is a diiiiick."
Bro. If he died in the alley, some jackass pulling a gun on Bruce in Crime Alley wouldn't piss him off. Bruce is still in there and he's a good person. Stop making Bruce so unlikable.
[QUOTE=Ascended;5266365]I doubt it'll ever be referenced again, outside of Metal. It's a throwaway POS scene and nothing more. Pretty much like everything else the last couple years.[/QUOTE]
Starfire needing to show up and say "and I'm leaving the ship war! Congrats on the flawless victory" really did just turn the whole thing into fanfic.
[QUOTE=Frontier;5265609]Yeah, and I assume he'll be the head teacher so he'll probably be the "face" of the book in that respect.[/QUOTE]
At least he has experience as a teacher, which is more than can be said for most of the Titans. When he was Agent 37, his cover identity was as a PE teacher.
[QUOTE=Badou;5265960]That The Last Stories of the DC Universe thing was just awful for Dick, imo.
[spoil]So Dick decides to randomly leave that big gathering of Titans characters to go and meet Batman, and after he leaves Wally shows up. Donna is the one to confront him and hug him. Then later a zombie Roy comes back to help them with them greeting him back with even Wally and Roy giving a nod to each other, but even after Dick returns and is seen with the Titans again he has zero interaction with Wally or Roy. So no reunion between them or if there was then it happened completely off panel. So that pretty much ends Dick ever getting to address anything that happened with Wally or Roy now. For being the "face" of the Titans Nightwing did nothing and Donna was the one to do everything and give the speech, lol.
Then in the Batman family part of the issue Dick is just bugging Babs the whole time because he wants to "tell her something" with Babs doing her best to shoot down anything he wants to say. Then Bruce steps in and Dick then gets to ask Babs to marry him and then Bruce "marries" them before they go into the big battle. Dick just came across as so annoying in it to me, and it is made worse by how Dick in the last issue of Nightwing with all that terrible Bea drama with Dick saying how much he loved her.[/spoil][/QUOTE][spoil]It makes sense that it was Donna. After Dick was shot and abandoned the last Titans team (having forgotten they existed!), she took over as leader.[/spoil]
[QUOTE=Godlike13;5265992]DC eats its own tail, what else is new. Dick is still the face of the Titans brand though. For better or worse. He still remains the one they market around, despite not actually doing anything with him narratively. Thats just more of the same problem with him when it comes to the Titans reading it head. “He has a solo” so the Titans refuse to actually do anything with him or use him how they market him, despite him being the brands biggest character. Thats along the same line here. He has another Bat storyline in the issue, so the Titans story has nothing for him.
It’s counterproductive, but that’s how the Titans is for Dick. Do a big Titans reunion, have Hume make an appearance, but write Dick out to go do Bat things. But at least it was Donna. If Dick is the face, Donna’s the heart. Note though how you don’t see Donna on one Future State TTs cover or marketing though. It’s just like how they launched the new Titans direction by having Roy mock and beat him up right before those characters all left and Nightwing had to assemble this new direction.
[spoil]And Dick propose to Babs even though we just saw him crying for Bea. I’m shocked. Shocked I tell you.[/spoil][/QUOTE][spoil]Donna is dead in Future State, we see her gravestone in the Teen Titans preview.[/spoil]
[QUOTE=Robanker;5267628] Starfire needing to show up and say "and I'm leaving the ship war! Congrats on the flawless victory" really did just turn the whole thing into fanfic.[/QUOTE]
Did that actually happen in the Titans story? lmao
[QUOTE=Pohzee;5267902]Did that actually happen in the Titans story? lmao[/QUOTE]
She just says she’s happy for them.
Admittedly she was also supportive of them in that issue of Convergence where they got married.
[QUOTE=Frontier;5268311]Admittedly she was also supportive of them in that issue of Convergence where they got married.[/QUOTE]
I dunno, man. Bringing her out just to give their ship a thumbs up during the scene where all the heroes are gathering instead of so many other interactions really did seem like DC was trying to have her wave the white flag rather than a character moment.
Convergence was literally about them getting married. This was an entire DCU special. Seemed kind of contrived to me, but I admit I like DickFire better than DickBabs at this point. Perhaps residual salt made me lean that direction.
Just remember thinking "of all the things to focus on, it's the Grayson ship war again. Alright lol"
She was already there. Honestly it be weirder if they didn't have her say anything, and had her awkwardly just be in the background.
[QUOTE=Robanker;5268956]I dunno, man. Bringing her out just to give their ship a thumbs up during the scene where all the heroes are gathering instead of so many other interactions really did seem like DC was trying to have her wave the white flag rather than a character moment.
Convergence was literally about them getting married. This was an entire DCU special. Seemed kind of contrived to me, but I admit I like DickFire better than DickBabs at this point. Perhaps residual salt made me lean that direction.
Just remember thinking "of all the things to focus on, it's the Grayson ship war again. Alright lol"[/QUOTE]
I would've rather have seen Dick interact with Wally and Roy than see Kori give the thumbs up, but it is what it is.
[QUOTE=Frontier;5269007]I would've rather have seen Dick interact with Wally and Roy than see Kori give the thumbs up, but it is what it is.[/QUOTE]
Zombie Roy makes me kinda sick to look at, Lazarus pits, and a dozen other types of incredible magic and they cant revive him.
There like at least two godesses, a genie, a demon and whatever the hell else
[QUOTE=Frontier;5269007]I would've rather have seen Dick interact with Wally and Roy than see Kori give the thumbs up, but it is what it is.[/QUOTE]
Pretty much this. There were a million things I'd care more about, and since this is guaranteed not to actually stick, Starfire only showed up [I]because[/I] they wanted to have her say "I accept the L," effectively.
Look, if this puts the Nightwing ship wars to bed, fine. Even if I prefer Starfire, fine. I want that to stop haunting the character. I will also not pretend this wasn't clumsy as all hell.
Starfire showed up because she is a Titan.
[QUOTE=Rac7d*;5269125]Zombie Roy makes me kinda sick to look at, Lazarus pits, and a dozen other types of incredible magic and they cant revive him.
There like at least two godesses, a genie, a demon and whatever the hell else[/QUOTE]I bet Djinn from the Glass Titans would be capable of a proper resurrection. Though it's odd that she was present there as last we saw she went off with Jakeem Thunder.
[QUOTE=Godlike13;5270307]Starfire showed up because she is a Titan.[/QUOTE]
Everyone in the DCU was there. They only gave Starfire that panel because she's the other half of the ship war.
[QUOTE=Robanker;5271739]Everyone in the DCU was there. They only gave Starfire that panel because she's the other half of the ship war.[/QUOTE]
Can we just give starfire a new boyfriend something else to focus on
Dick hasn't dated Starfire in the comics in like 25 years. People need to accept that Starfire hasn't been a relevant love interest for Dick in the comics for a long time and move on. I don't think either Starfire or Babs (mainly since the New 52 will they/won't they crap) are good love interests given how terrible Dick is generally written with either of them, but there is really no competition between them in the comics despite what other media does. It's just been Babs for a long time.
But I'm completely over any love interest for Dick these days. They are all written like garbage, but my big issue with the Babs thing in that special was how unearned it was. Last month we just had Dick crying his eyes out for Bea and Dick talking about how in love he was with her. Going from that to Dick wanting to ask Babs to marry him was just so poorly done and adds another check mark to how completely useless love interests like Bea are, imo. They are a complete waste of time and page space.
[QUOTE=Robanker;5271739]Everyone in the DCU was there. They only gave Starfire that panel because she's the other half of the ship war.[/QUOTE]
Ya, and so Starfire was already there. They didn’t bring her out, she was already there and part of the big Titans reunion. So they had her congratulate them rather then just awkwardly ignore her already being there. I’m not seeing the offense here. Dick and her just did a big mission together too. Having her awkwardly avoid him for reasons like we saw in RHatO would have just been weird.
[QUOTE=Godlike13;5272376]Ya, and so Starfire was already there. They didn’t bring her out, she was already there and part of the big Titans reunion. So they had her congratulate them rather then just awkwardly ignore her already being there. I’m not seeing the offense here. Dick and her just did a big mission together too. Having her awkwardly avoid him for reasons like we saw in RHatO would have just been weird.[/QUOTE]
He was avoiding her not the other way around.
[QUOTE=Badou;5272012]Dick hasn't dated Starfire in the comics in like 25 years. People need to accept that Starfire hasn't been a relevant love interest for Dick in the comics for a long time and move on. I don't think either Starfire or Babs (mainly since the New 52 will they/won't they crap) are good love interests given how terrible Dick is generally written with either of them, but there is really no competition between them in the comics despite what other media does. It's just been Babs for a long time.
But I'm completely over any love interest for Dick these days. They are all written like garbage, but my big issue with the Babs thing in that special was how unearned it was. Last month we just had Dick crying his eyes out for Bea and Dick talking about how in love he was with her. Going from that to Dick wanting to ask Babs to marry him was just so poorly done and adds another check mark to how completely useless love interests like Bea are, imo. They are a complete waste of time and page space.[/QUOTE]
I'm ready for a DickFire resurgence :).
[QUOTE=Frontier;5273110]I'm ready for a DickFire resurgence :).[/QUOTE]
I'm definitely not against the idea, between Kori and Babs I've always been team Kori. Babs and Dick are just....bad for each other, their relationship usually makes him end up looking irresponsible and/or immature and her looking like a control freak with commitment issues.
But I think Badou is right; it's past time for all three of these characters to move the hell on. They all need varying degrees of TLC as individuals first but we need to get past this failure of a love triangle.
Other media uses both relationships and can continue to do so, but it's played out in the comics.
[QUOTE=Badou;5272012]Dick hasn't dated Starfire in the comics in like [B]25 years[/B]. People need to accept that Starfire hasn't been a relevant love interest for Dick in the comics for a long time and move on. I don't think either Starfire or Babs (mainly since the New 52 will they/won't they crap) are good love interests given how terrible Dick is generally written with either of them, but there is really no competition between them in the comics despite what other media does. It's just been Babs for a long time.
But I'm completely over any love interest for Dick these days. They are all written like garbage, but my big issue with the Babs thing in that special was how unearned it was. Last month we just had Dick crying his eyes out for Bea and Dick talking about how in love he was with her. Going from that to Dick wanting to ask Babs to marry him was just so poorly done and adds another check mark to how completely useless love interests like Bea are, imo. They are a complete waste of time and page space.[/QUOTE]
25 years? I thought for sure Dick and Star had something going on at one point in the 2008-2011 Titans series
Dick and Starfire have dated in and out of cannon recently. Not only that but they have been married in elseworld like New order. They have also dated in the animated movies. The issue is how Babs is shown to be this better choice by bashing Kori Babs is shown to be fickle to be terrible to Dick. Goes back and forth with denying or accepting his advances. They slut shame Kori. Mar'i in cannon right before New 52 is cannon to convergence. So it's not like the two haven't dated. So it haven't been 25 years. With Babs being in the Titans show they will most likely do the love triangle. I'm tired of Babs and Kori because Dick puts one of them down generally Kori to make the other look better. If Bats can have multiple love interests why not Dick. It's time to add a third one. What hero would be good. At first I thought Supergirl but they keep aging her down. Dc never wants to commit to anything. Has they have shown they are willing to go to Kori when it's nice or Babs. I think if we want both have a comic that takes place on another earth where Dick and Kori are together. It's not hard to give fans the best of both. If I had to pick a third option how about Donna?
Why is the only thing people discuss about starfire is if she dick Grayson girlfriend. 40 years and that’s all she brings to the table?
Honestly if I had to give it to Starfire. She is able to give the reason for the Titans to space travel. She is a amazing character despite everything she went through. She is able to still be sweet and kind. So no that's not all what she brings to the table. She lead part of the JL in rebirth. She is shown to be a great leader.
[QUOTE=Rac7d*;5273215]Why is the only thing people discuss about starfire is if she dick Grayson girlfriend. 40 years and that’s all she brings to the table?[/QUOTE]
Because they are talking about all the love interests. That and it's always a fight between Babs and Starfire.
With it having been so long since a proper Starfire pairing, that gives it more potential to freshly explore it from a new angle with modern storytelling.
Not only that but Babs could in a sense cause more issues.If anything it ties him more down to the Batfam. She only ever been a Batfam with the exception of BoP. That is now gone. She only operations in Gotham. With both Kori and Dick they both worked with the Titans and JL. There is way more Story options than with Babs. Not only that but Babs has always had issues with how she feels. Like she rejects Dick proposal, she gets jealous and yells at him. Despite the fact they were broken up and she and him moved up. If anything it shows how toxic she can be. I mean this personality has been consistence. Babs can be the girl if she is always fickle or yells at him for sleeping with a woman when she doesn't have the details that he was raped. This wasn't the only time she has done that.It's the fact Starfire often way more story with or without being a love interest. Starfire could have her own comic series and now a mini but Dc has issues.
[QUOTE=Badou;5272012]But I'm completely over any love interest for Dick these days. They are all written like garbage, but my big issue with the Babs thing in that special was how unearned it was. Last month we just had Dick crying his eyes out for Bea and Dick talking about how in love he was with her. Going from that to Dick wanting to ask Babs to marry him was just so poorly done and adds another check mark to how completely useless love interests like Bea are, imo. They are a complete waste of time and page space.[/QUOTE]I agree, but you know at this point what is it to look forward to with nightwing besides love interest? Having a stable supporting cast? Yea right... an Interesting Bludhaven? Yea right... interesting villains? Maybe... interesting stable job? Good luck.
Love interest are the only thing that most fans can really give a crap about with nightwing, and that's crap also. We know dick won't be relevant outside of the bat books so all we really have is more of the last 10 years of nightwing a.k.a nothing!
Grayson was the only thing about dick grayson that was good and relevant since the flashpoint reboot.
So I get why people spend so much time on shipping nightwing (even though it'll just be more will they won't they with babs) there's nothing else.
[QUOTE=Rac7d*;5273215]Why is the only thing people discuss about starfire is if she dick Grayson girlfriend. 40 years and that’s all she brings to the table?[/QUOTE] The real question is what does Barbara bring to the table besides more batfam and gotham?
Well there seems to be a new Titans book on the way. So the question is can a good Titans book happen. If they can have that than Dick doesn't have to be tied with Batfam either. I feel Dc is doing this on purpose. That they don't want Titans to be good. They want him to be close to the Bats but he isn't just a Bat but also a Titans.The question is now what is Dick's supporting Team? Unlike Bruce or Clark. Dick has way too many changes. Who should be kept?
[QUOTE=WonderNight;5273392]The real question is what does Barbara bring to the table besides more batfam and gotham?[/QUOTE]
Nothing really. She has no team and with Kori she works with both JL and Titans. We have the outerspace travel. There is far more stories to tell with Dick and Kori. I get why people like Babs and Dick they are with the Batfam and have a good dynamic but there comes a point where Babs has been the most passed around character. She been with almost ever single batfam.Many comics she is shown to be fickle person and rejects Grayson then yells at Dick for moving on. When they do her right, I love her and Dick's relationships but at times there is her fickleness and her jealous nature. That can get out of control. Since medias and elsewhere comics have Starfire/Dick dating we won't stop having people talking about Dick/Kori
[QUOTE=Frontier;5273110]I'm ready for a DickFire resurgence :).[/QUOTE]
That is honestly the last thing I'd want. The Starfire romance was just as or probably even more toxic than the current Babs one when they last dated, but for some reason people act like that wasn't the case? I guess other media really overwrites what people remember of their in comic romance, but it was really bad at times. Plus I already dislike how tied down Dick is to the Titans as a franchise. I wish Dick was allowed to move on to other teams in the comics instead of constantly being dragged back to the Titans mess all the time, but that is a separate issue.
Although more than anything I just don't think Starfire is a very good character that offers much utility for stories. You can't really tell more grounded stories when Dick is dating an orange alien with fire for hair and superpowers. You are incredibly limited with what you can do and there is a reason you don't see romances like that in comics very often. Just have Starfire date Cyborg or something where they can at least be stuck in the Titans together maybe. I thought Odyssey was setting that up but it never happened, or just have her date Roy again given how "in love" they were according to Lobdell, lol.
[QUOTE=KrustyKid;5273151]25 years? I thought for sure Dick and Star had something going on at one point in the 2008-2011 Titans series[/QUOTE]
Yeah, they haven't dated in the comics since Dick became a solo character basically. So it has been like 25 years. So when he became a Batman character again.
[QUOTE=AmiMizuno;5273395]Nothing really. She has no team and with Kori she works with both JL and Titans. We have the outerspace travel. There is far more stories to tell with Dick and Kori. I get why people like Babs and Dick they are with the Batfam and have a good dynamic but there comes a point where Babs has been the most passed around character. She been with almost ever single batfam.Many comics she is shown to be fickle person and rejects Grayson then yells at Dick for moving on. When they do her right, I love her and Dick's relationships but at times there is her fickleness and her jealous nature. That can get out of control. Since medias and elsewhere comics have Starfire/Dick dating we won't stop having people talking about Dick/Kori[/QUOTE]
There aren't necessarily more stories to tell with Dick and Kory, as Kory changes the kinds of stories they can tell with Dick. And need i bring up RHatOs. Neither are immune from bad characterizations or being passed around. Babs is just easier to slot in and out of Dick's solo life, and vice versa.
Thats why they keep it in the state they do. Like this marriage and it being unearned, it is, but at the same time its isn't cause they purposely keep their relationship in such a stop and go state. Its frustrating but that state makes things more convenient for them to pull it out when they want, and do things like "hey lets get married. Ok sure.".
[QUOTE=AmiMizuno;5273395]Well there seems to be a new Titans book on the way. So the question is can a good Titans book happen. If they can have that than Dick doesn't have to be tied with Batfam either. I feel Dc is doing this on purpose. That they don't want Titans to be good. They want him to be close to the Bats but he isn't just a Bat but also a Titans.The question is now what is Dick's supporting Team? Unlike Bruce or Clark. Dick has way too many changes. Who should be kept?
Nothing really. She has no team and with Kori she works with both JL and Titans. We have the outerspace travel. There is far more stories to tell with Dick and Kori. I get why people like Babs and Dick they are with the Batfam and have a good dynamic but there comes a point where Babs has been the most passed around character. She been with almost ever single batfam.Many comics she is shown to be fickle person and rejects Grayson then yells at Dick for moving on. When they do her right, I love her and Dick's relationships but at times there is her fickleness and her jealous nature. That can get out of control. Since medias and elsewhere comics have Starfire/Dick dating we won't stop having people talking about Dick/Kori[/QUOTE]
Nothing really, Babs accession to Oracle makes priceless resource to Batman, JL, Titans the BOP. She on many teams. starfire only last decade had any kind of affiliation with the justice league. Her only progression seem to be from hero to den mother for the next crop of titans. Has starfire ever made significant relationship with anyone aside from Dick. Briefly with Roy, who is now deceased. But even he has played the field between Cheshire and Donna Troy.
[QUOTE=KrustyKid;5273151]25 years? I thought for sure Dick and Star had something going on at one point in the 2008-2011 Titans series[/QUOTE]
They screw each other under the influence of the return of Trigon but I don't remember anything beyond that first issue
[QUOTE=Ascended;5273142]I'm definitely not against the idea, between Kori and Babs I've always been team Kori. Babs and Dick are just....bad for each other, their relationship usually makes him end up looking irresponsible and/or immature and her looking like a control freak with commitment issues.[/QUOTE]
I like Dick and Babs but it's become too much of a constant will they/won't they thing with no development and no real satisfying reason for them to just not be together, so I'm fine with giving that a break.
Giving some love to DickxKori comics-wise would just feel refreshing.
[QUOTE=Badou;5273522]That is honestly the last thing I'd want. The Starfire romance was just as or probably even more toxic than the current Babs one when they last dated, but for some reason people act like that wasn't the case? I guess other media really overwrites what people remember of their in comic romance, but it was really bad at times. Plus I already dislike how tied down Dick is to the Titans as a franchise. I wish Dick was allowed to move on to other teams in the comics instead of constantly being dragged back to the Titans mess all the time, but that is a separate issue.
Although more than anything I just don't think Starfire is a very good character that offers much utility for stories. You can't really tell more grounded stories when Dick is dating an orange alien with fire for hair and superpowers. You are incredibly limited with what you can do and there is a reason you don't see romances like that in comics very often. Just have Starfire date Cyborg or something where they can at least be stuck in the Titans together maybe. I thought Odyssey was setting that up but it never happened, or just have her date Roy again given how "in love" they were according to Lobdell, lol.[/QUOTE]
I've never seen the relationship as perfect, but it's one I enjoy and I think it would be nice to see it in a new modern light in the comics, but that's just me.
[QUOTE=Rac7d*;5273577]Nothing really, Babs accession to Oracle makes priceless resource to Batman, JL, Titans the BOP. She on many teams. starfire only last decade had any kind of affiliation with the justice league. Her only progression seem to be from hero to den mother for the next crop of titans. Has starfire ever made significant relationship with anyone aside from Dick. Briefly with Roy, who is now deceased. But even he has played the field between Cheshire and Donna Troy.[/QUOTE]
Depends really. I mean the Titans already have tech people. So Oracle really isn't needed. The same with JL they don't need Oracle unless the plot needs her. So it doesn't really need to be said yes Babs is smart but there are people already on a team that can also do the same job