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[QUOTE=jwatson;5058315]Some.lorna goodness. [ATTACH=CONFIG]98945[/ATTACH][/QUOTE]
Nice work! Though the butt first pose is giving me major Flanders "feels like I'm wearin nothin at all" vibes.
[QUOTE=salarta;5058328]Nice work! Though the butt first pose is giving me major Flanders "feels like I'm wearin nothin at all" vibes.[/QUOTE]
Thanks, appreciate it. Yeah I rarely do art that is too suggestive but sometimes you just can't pass up a perfect view. Lol
I’m new to these forms but a long time Lorna fan recently turned stan since I’ve been going through her early X-Factor vol 1 books for the 1st time (she’s kind of the things I liked about Jean Grey while she was in X-Factor, except all the time while Jean returns to being more idealistic with the return of her telepathy). She’s such an awesome character with a lot more background and personality than Marvel has shown recently and I’m hoping that changes
I’m worried for X-Factor as I’m not the biggest fan of the writer and her work but I’m hopeful. Many have said they don’t get Polaris, but I honestly think that’s because you actually have seek her out. She not on the main books so she doesn’t get as much time with other fans and readers. Personally, I’ve felt like Lorna‘s “role” has always been “mutant response”. She’s not aggressive like X-Force but she’s not a superhero either. For example, When Juggernaut or Sabretooth are put causing mess, she should be on the response team to handle it. She’s not a x-cop like Bishop but she will respond to protect mutant kind. Being a survivor of Genosha, I hope that ideology is explored and pushed further. We should see her believing in Krakoa (even tho she threw it into space lol). I had hoped she’d be on an “Acolytes” book that she led and they were the response team to threats protects of Krakoa and bringing in mutants who were acting up both on and out of Krakoa. I like the premise of X-Factor but I really don’t see Lorna being a detective or apart of mystery type stories but maybe I’m wrong...
Also the Havok relationship is terrible and wack. He cheated on her with a Jean clone while she was possessed by Malice. Then later left her and married someone else. It not good and shouldn’t work. Leave it in the past. In this new era, she should be single and eventually date some else. My pick would be Exodus. I think that would make an interesting dynamic and one they both could grow in
Now that Wanda is firmly connected with the resurrection of Genosha's victims, that Lorna will be in one of the other three issues of Empyre X-Men, and that she is clearly the mutant most traumatized by the genocide, it should have meaning for former sisters have a frank discussion about it
But knowing Marvel, we really shouldn't hope
However, when Hickman uses Lorna, he doesn't use her for nothing (in my opinion)
[QUOTE=rhaenylis;5063778]Now that Wanda is firmly connected with the resurrection of Genosha's victims, that Lorna will be in one of the other three issues of Empyre X-Men, and that she is clearly the mutant most traumatized by the genocide, it should have meaning for former sisters have a frank discussion about it
But knowing Marvel, we really shouldn't hope
However, when Hickman uses Lorna, he doesn't use her for nothing (in my opinion)[/QUOTE]
She still might appear in issue #4, but she won't be in issue #3. Its good to see so many see the importance of Genosha for her now as really for the character being divorced from anything Genosha related has been ruinous for her. I have felt a lot of her creative staff the past 15 years have wanted the 1990s back with the character without anything approximating an understanding of what worked and the legions of things that didn't work for her back then.
Hickman's Lorna stands out in the pack so far just on the basis of her believing in something and being distrustful of humanity. I can't say Lorna has believed in anything (beyond persons she likes and dislikes) under any other writer regular universe Lorna since 2006. We will see if that leads anywhere.
There is still a very ironic aspect
Marvel comics often promote characters who are going to have adaptations or become very popular
But for Lorna the rule doesn't apply
She may be the main character of one of the most popular marvel tv show
She may have become one of the most beloved X-Women since The Gifted
Marvel doesn't care
Welcome to the board! I believe I've seen your tweets on Lorna too.
I agree on the idea of Lorna as mutant response, though I think her history means she should have a higher status about it than Marvel tends to give her. Lorna's a woman who, in addition to the history you mention, has twice been revered as "Queen of Mutants" (first in her introductory issues, then post-Genosha in Austen's run). She [I]should[/I] have a stature in mutant affairs commensurate with her background. If this were a real world scenario, media would be eagerly trying to get her opinions, and companies would want to get her to give talks or join boards relating to mutant issues, because her "Queen of Mutants" and "Genoshan princess" style history would suggest a built-in fanbase for her that can look good for PR and attract readership/consumers. You could technically say they would do the same for Magneto, but he has the "terrorist/extremist" label that would deter willingness to engage, whereas Lorna doesn't.
She would actually be pretty PR-friendly for mutants all around compared to most mutants, as she currently is.
I try to generally be open-ended in how Lorna could approach broad settings. As someone who's written a lot of stuff, I know there are all sorts of directions and valid justifications possible for those directions. What matters most is that if something is important, it should be treated as such. Within the current scenario, Lorna being a big part of Genosha (especially having survived the genocide) and having thrown Krakoa into space should mean something. An editor or writer not caring about or liking Lorna should have no bearing here, and nebulous concerns about "sales" shouldn't matter either. And sales "concerns" tend to be BS anyway. We've seen Marvel proceed with plenty of plans that were terrible for sales (Secret Empire, Worst X-Man Ever, etc), and lately with Ubisoft how bias against women at that company led to using "sales" as an excuse against female protagonists.
[QUOTE=rhaenylis;5063778]Now that Wanda is firmly connected with the resurrection of Genosha's victims, that Lorna will be in one of the other three issues of Empyre X-Men, and that she is clearly the mutant most traumatized by the genocide, it should have meaning for former sisters have a frank discussion about it
But knowing Marvel, we really shouldn't hope
However, when Hickman uses Lorna, he doesn't use her for nothing (in my opinion)[/QUOTE]
It's one of those cases where bias is so deeply ingrained, and Marvel's been so allergic to the idea of doing better by her, that it's necessary to have a "wait and see" approach even when you think it's nearly certain that they'll use Lorna.
Pre-2015, I used to buy comics on release date. Sometimes more than one physical copy, and the digital. Back then, I generally felt that even if something was bad, people at Marvel were at least TRYING to do better. I don't feel that way anymore. These days, I expect bait and switch covers, exclusion from content where she objectively should be present, and her roles passed on to other characters that people at Marvel consider more "deserving" than Lorna.
Which, while I'm talking about it, is another way Marvel seems to love tearing Lorna down. Lorna gets a piece of character development. Marvel realizes that development is good, and that it would afford plenty of opportunities. Marvel looks at the character who got it, Lorna, and balks. Then, looking to other characters they like more, decides to pretend it never happened to Lorna while giving those beats to a "more worthy" character. From then on, yet another thing that was meaningful and unique about Lorna is ignored, and Marvel and certain fans will insist she has nothing to offer because this other character covers the topic "better."
If you're wondering why I'm so vocal about Genosha, this is part of the reason. First and foremost, I'm vocal about it because I think it's the most important thing that's ever happened to the character, and it means a lot to me personally. But within that, I've seen Marvel's historical pattern of taking things away from Lorna to give them to other characters, and I see them doing it here. Even if Marvel goes through with it and succeeds, I at least want it to be known that this right here is a case where Lorna had something emotionally deep and raw that Marvel decided she didn't "deserve" and took away from her. I want to see my favorite badass emotionally complex Mistress of Magnetism. If I can't have that, I want people to know why.
[QUOTE=rhaenylis;5063980]There is still a very ironic aspect
Marvel comics often promote characters who are going to have adaptations or become very popular
But for Lorna the rule doesn't apply
She may be the main character of one of the most popular marvel tv show
She may have become one of the most beloved X-Women since The Gifted
Marvel doesn't care[/QUOTE]
Marvel promotes THEIR characters. Why would they promote Lorna/The Gifted when it was a fox product. Marvel only co-produce some of it. Now that the X-Men rights are back with Marvel, I would be surprised if Lorna got the MCU promo package since she’ll probably be Magneto’s only kid in the MCU. Even if they did make Wanda his daughter, Elizabeth Olsen might not want to be Scarlet Witch by the time Lorna is introduced.
[QUOTE=UncannyLZ;5064045]Marvel promotes THEIR characters. Why would they promote Lorna/The Gifted when it was a fox product. Marvel only co-produce some of it. Now that the X-Men rights are back with Marvel, I would be surprised if Lorna got the MCU promo package since she’ll probably be Magneto’s only kid in the MCU. Even if they did make Wanda his daughter, Elizabeth Olsen might not want to be Scarlet Witch by the time Lorna is introduced.[/QUOTE]
When Gifted was coming out, Marvel was eager to cross-promote by a) adding 616 Blink to a team, and b) relaunching Exiles. They didn't explicitly say "we're cross-promoting with Gifted," but it was apparent in the timing and plans. Blink was being handled as a character who would break out on the show. But when Polaris broke out on the show, all she got was limited supporting character appearances on X-Men Blue (which primarily served to promote Havok and Magneto, not working in service to Lorna herself), and occasional supporting character appearances on books since. Marvel was doing more with Lorna before Gifted - with Lorna leading a team in All-New X-Factor (only really being treated as such starting with ANXF #7), and having several prominent appearances in Secret Wars (mainly in House of M and the Magneto solo, but cameos elsewhere too).
So, Marvel's behavior toward Blink during Gifted suggests that in a fair shake, they would've done at least the same for her (add her to a 616 team, launch a book where she's leading). They didn't do that. We might still be able to say Marvel didn't want to promote a Fox property, and perhaps even "viewership numbers weren't high enough by then to want to make that kind of push anymore." But it still wouldn't explain Marvel's behavior post-buyout of Fox. The show still generates plenty of interest in the character.
As for MCU, we'll have to see. We know post-buyout that Marvel's released several non-comics products where Wanda and Pietro are acknowledged as Magneto's kids but Lorna's excluded. Last year, Marvel released a figurines pack of the "family" that had Magneto, Wanda and Pietro, but no Lorna. The recent Hellfire Club pack shows the reason for her left out certainly wasn't from a limit to the number of figures they could put in a pack. At the same time, Marvel had no problem with putting Lorna in a pack with Havok.
FYI I'm a fan of the Magnus family being the whole family, and I'm more interested in the idea of Lorna and Wanda interacting as sisters than anything else. I feel I should emphasize that so it's clear I'm coming from a place of supporting the family.
Another really unfortunate thing is that by the retcon of the Maximoffs, they snatched from Lorna the only teammate who did not overshadow her, Pietro
I'm not saying all of their interactions were perfect, but in the X-Factors they were awesome
They had great chemistry, Pietro cared about her and her traumas (not like Alex (I like him though) who abandoned her at the altar while she was barely recovering from Genosha), he let down the Avengers to help her but he never supplanted Lorna
I think this dynamic was really good for the characters, and we are very unlikely to find similar allies for Lorna in DoX (but I always pray for a good dynamic between Lorna and Rachel and / or Aurora)
I don't agree that Polaris isn't aggressive like X-Force. I still think Lorna is a perfect fit for a team like X-Force, given both her personality and personal history. I hope to see her on an iteration one day.
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She’s not aggressive like X-Force but she’s not a superhero either.[/QUOTE]Lorna is known for her agression. Im not sure what like X-Force means bc there has been so many iterations of that, many of which had characters that people didnt think would fit until they did. We just had Jean and Beast on the current version of X-Force for example and that surprisingly was the best place for her as she shined
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I still feel this cover is one of the biggest unfortunate tease that never happened
[QUOTE=Soulsword323;5064090]I don't agree that Polaris isn't aggressive like X-Force. I still think Lorna is a perfect fit for a team like X-Force, given both her personality and personal history. I hope to see her on an iteration one day.[/QUOTE]
Yes on that score Lorna's aggression does happen to be one of her calling cards. Lorna being willing to pull the trigger has been one of the few threads that have been pretty consistent for her since her first appearance. Lets take a look at historic Lorna depictions to see...
[B]1960s Lorna[/B]: She would prefer not to pull the trigger, but was quite willing to do so which for the time was pretty abnormal of comic characters who weren't either soldiers or one note villians who spend pages monologuing at how evil they are.
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[B]Claremontian Lorna: [/B]
I will be honest we didn't see her not mentally influenced in battle very often and Polaris itself was a mind controlled Lorna personality as was PolMalice the hybrid of Malice and Lorna... so this era had a very violent Lorna, but if one wants to wipe it all away as 'not-Polaris' the writer created a built in escape valve.
[img]https://i.postimg.cc/nrGt0B7T/x-men97-003.jpg[/img]
[B]1990s Lorna:[/B] She was willing to toss knives at foes with lethal intent when Havok was injured and yes most certainly use deadly force on occasion, but each and every time she was ready to something intervened so for those who wanted to say she was morally pure they could.
[img]https://i.postimg.cc/265vz7jL/z2.png[/img]
[QUOTE=salarta;5064086]When Gifted was coming out, Marvel was eager to cross-promote by a) adding 616 Blink to a team, and b) relaunching Exiles. They didn't explicitly say "we're cross-promoting with Gifted," but it was apparent in the timing and plans. Blink was being handled as a character who would break out on the show. But when Polaris broke out on the show, all she got was limited supporting character appearances on X-Men Blue (which primarily served to promote Havok and Magneto, not working in service to Lorna herself), and occasional supporting character appearances on books since. Marvel was doing more with Lorna before Gifted - with Lorna leading a team in All-New X-Factor (only really being treated as such starting with ANXF #7), and having several prominent appearances in Secret Wars (mainly in House of M and the Magneto solo, but cameos elsewhere too).
So, Marvel's behavior toward Blink during Gifted suggests that in a fair shake, they would've done at least the same for her (add her to a 616 team, launch a book where she's leading). They didn't do that. We might still be able to say Marvel didn't want to promote a Fox property, and perhaps even "viewership numbers weren't high enough by then to want to make that kind of push anymore." But it still wouldn't explain Marvel's behavior post-buyout of Fox. The show still generates plenty of interest in the character.[/QUOTE]
Thank you for the welcome :) I definitely tweet about Lorna a lot haha I hope you like my take on her from what you've seen! I'm going to try and come in here and post when I can.
I wouldn't consider the Blink/Exiles and Polaris/X-Men Blue moments cross "promotion". We've seen what they will do for any character they own. They turned a talking tree that speaks one word into a household name. The Gifted, Legion and the cancelled Hellfire shows were the first time marvel work with Fox and I believe the deal only had Marvel co-producing so they weren't that involved. I think our best chance at seeing Lorna more in the comics was post-buyout. (Definitely not supporting companies lol just making a point)
[QUOTE=Soulsword323;5064090]I don't agree that Polaris isn't aggressive like X-Force. I still think Lorna is a perfect fit for a team like X-Force, given both her personality and personal history. I hope to see her on an iteration one day.[/QUOTE]
I think aggressive may have been the wrong word because Polaris is definitely aggressive. I meant that I've never seen her as a killer or covert-ops type of character. X-Force takes care of the things that they don't want out and eliminates it. I never saw that for Polaris unless she was the "moral compass" of the team which I think has actually been a pretty good fit for Jean. But with recent developments in that book, maybe she's joining it...