[QUOTE=Gaius;5840033]Because [spoil]: "Wonder Woman Kisses Supergirl" trends faster on Twitter and is easier for clickbait titles probably lol [/spoil] :p[/QUOTE]
Lol.
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[QUOTE=Gaius;5840033]Because [spoil]: "Wonder Woman Kisses Supergirl" trends faster on Twitter and is easier for clickbait titles probably lol [/spoil] :p[/QUOTE]
Lol.
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I hate that this is a very cool premise for an elseworld mini series, but Tom Taylor is the one writing it.
[QUOTE=I'm a Fish;5840028][spoil] It's like saying Clark Kent is dating Cassie Sandsmark. Even if they are the same age it's weird. Why couldn't he just make it Powergirl instead of Supergirl. [I]*facepalm*[/I] [/spoil][/QUOTE]
It’s not like anyone had a problem in DC Bombshells when Lois dated Supergirl. Since this is an elseworlds too, it would be the same when it comes to changing ages of characters.
I don’t see any controversy.
[QUOTE=I'm a Fish;5840028][spoil] It's like saying Clark Kent is dating Cassie Sandsmark. Even if they are the same age it's weird. Why couldn't he just make it Powergirl instead of Supergirl. [I]*facepalm*[/I] [/spoil][/QUOTE]
Well he did make Damian and Cassie hook up in DCeased so this isn’t the first time he’s gone cross Gen lol.
[spoil] But I expect Kara is Kal’s sister in this Elseworld and probably only a year younger than him, so there wouldn’t be much of an age gap [/spoil]
[QUOTE=Will Evans;5840053]It’s not like anyone had a problem in DC Bombshells when Lois dated Supergirl. Since this is an elseworlds too, it would be the same when it comes to changing ages of characters.
I don’t see any controversy.[/QUOTE]
The only thing controversial here should be DC letting Tom Taylor write Wonder Woman again.
[QUOTE=Gaius;5840056]The only thing controversial here should be DC letting Tom Taylor write Wonder Woman again.[/QUOTE]
The biggest controversy is for us. Who will be here trying to guess how long will it take tom taylor to portray SG as the one with the higher moral ground in the relationship. Even though the iconic embassador of peace and equality is right there. And how he'll will probably make sg the bigger powerhouse too. Because she's a kryptonian. Who cares if an amazon with multiple god like powers is around.
Been wanting to see Diana get a female love interest for a while, but dammit that's not it for me.
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[QUOTE=Will Evans;5840053]It’s not like anyone had a problem in DC Bombshells when Lois dated Supergirl. Since this is an elseworlds too, it would be the same when it comes to changing ages of characters.
I don’t see any controversy.[/QUOTE]
I think DC's shown her kissing/being kissed by girls enough that in a little while, the push for SuperCorp and such will manifest as Kara coming out as bisexual. I don't really agree with that take, but I think it's a "when" rather than an "if" with her in particular. They may float it with Power Girl first, given she has a significant female friend which some view romantically. I don't think either of them are bi, but that's not really important-- especially where internet shipping is inclined. I'd normally joke that blood relations are the only thing the internet doesn't ship, but I've been shown the world of [I]Supernatural[/I] shipping and my mind's yet to recover. :p
I'm fine with the age thing in the Elseworlds title since it's pretty clear both Kara and Kal are probably very early adults, and I wouldn't be balking about ages if he kissed Diana... I'd balk because of my dislike for SuperWonder. Remember, Kara's supposed to be his older cousin if we remove the concept that she arrives late. Presumably, she's older than Kal here too.
My problem is more that I'm tired of SuperWonder and this seems a way to do that while also having Clois as well as continuing the trend of Diana having a love interest tied to another IP instead of one created to be her love interest that can play into her own stories and thematic. Why not Stephanie Trevor? Etta Candy? Artemis?
Nope. Supergirl. That'll make a headline![/spoil]
[QUOTE=Robanker;5840117]Been wanting to see Diana get a female love interest for a while, but dammit that's not it for me.[/QUOTE]
[spoil] It's also just weird because in main continuity, when Diana and Kara share a panel together it's usually to fight. (is...is that where Taylor sees the chemistry?) [/spoil]
We've had bullets & bracelets, laser and bracelets, arrows & bracelets, even if it is a variation this is one thing I like to see in every WW origin.
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[QUOTE=I'm a Fish;5840135][spoil] It's also just weird because in main continuity, when Diana and Kara share a panel together it's usually to fight. (is...is that where Taylor sees the chemistry?) [/spoil][/QUOTE]
[spoil]Keep in mind the only Taylor works I've enjoyed are [I]Nightwing[/I] and [I]Superman: Son of Kal-El[/I], but I think it's just that he wanted to do SuperWonder and knows that the CW fans were really let down that Kara didn't hook up with Lena.
Tom seems very intent on giving people what they want, sometimes to the detriment of his stories. This manifests in referencing memes or just making stuff that's easy to share on social media that affirms something. There's value in that, to be sure, but without having read [I]Dark Knights of Steel #2[/I], this reminds me of when he had that congregation of all DC's great minds in DCeased and some... definitely didn't belong as much as others. Damian's reason for being in the list was "because he's Batman," because the meme is Batman is smart, you know? I know Damian is smart, but it rips me right out of the story when he does that sort of thing and he does it a lot.
He likes to shill his favorites. He does weird shit where Diana is concerned. Frankly speaking, I don't think he's a particularly good writer but he's very good at reading the room he wants to be in and writing to please that room.
Diana usually mentors Kara and is a contemporary of her cousin who is now at least 15 years her senior, or nearly double her age if not actually double. It's weird to see, but as I said above, the rules of this universe make it technically less of an age-issue... It's just our baggage as comic readers making it weird. I'm sure SuperCorp people are going to be quite pleased.
EDIT: I did a quick search on Twitter using "Supergirl," and lo, I am a prophet. WORSHIP ME, MORTALS![/spoil]
[QUOTE=Robanker;5840117]Been wanting to see Diana get a female love interest for a while, but dammit that's not it for me.
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I think DC's shown her kissing/being kissed by girls enough that in a little while, the push for SuperCorp and such will manifest as Kara coming out as bisexual. I don't really agree with that take, but I think it's a "when" rather than an "if" with her in particular. They may float it with Power Girl first, given she has a significant female friend which some view romantically. I don't think either of them are bi, but that's not really important-- especially where internet shipping is inclined. I'd normally joke that blood relations are the only thing the internet doesn't ship, but I've been shown the world of [I]Supernatural[/I] shipping and my mind's yet to recover. :p
I'm fine with the age thing in the Elseworlds title since it's pretty clear both Kara and Kal are probably very early adults, and I wouldn't be balking about ages if he kissed Diana... I'd balk because of my dislike for SuperWonder. Remember, Kara's supposed to be his older cousin if we remove the concept that she arrives late. Presumably, she's older than Kal here too.
My problem is more that I'm tired of SuperWonder and this seems a way to do that while also having Clois as well as continuing the trend of Diana having a love interest tied to another IP instead of one created to be her love interest that can play into her own stories and thematic. Why not Stephanie Trevor? Etta Candy? Artemis?
Nope. Supergirl. That'll make a headline![/spoil][/QUOTE]
[spoil] Like you said, it’s an Elseworld where they all seem to be young adults/older teens so it’s weird but whatevs it’s his elseworld. But I’m pretty sure Taylor knows exactly what he’s doing here and is banking on those clickbait titles of “Wonder Woman Kisses Supergirl” clickbait nonsense to grab eyes on his book [/spoil]
Controversy creates cash and all that.
[QUOTE=Gaius;5840148][spoil] Like you said, it’s an Elseworld where they all seem to be young adults/older teens but I’m pretty sure Taylor knows exactly what he’s doing here and is banking on those clickbait titles of “Wonder Woman Kisses Supergirl” clickbait nonsense to grab eyes on his book [/spoil]
Controversy creates cash and all that.[/QUOTE]
I'm a little less cynical on this particular instance. I think that's part of it, but by all accounts, I think Taylor is doing it more for representation. He generally really seems to enjoy creating that space for people and giving them what they want to see. I think he is one of those writers who thinks validation is one of the most important things these characters can do for people and aims to find ways to bring that in.
I'm not judging, but that's something I've gleaned from his work.
[QUOTE=Robanker;5840152]I'm a little less cynical on this particular instance. I think that's part of it, but by all accounts, I think Taylor is doing it more for representation. He generally really seems to enjoy creating that space for people and giving them what they want to see. I think he is one of those writers who thinks validation is one of the most important things these characters can do for people and aims to find ways to bring that in.
I'm not judging, but that's something I've gleaned from his work.[/QUOTE]
Oh, I don’t doubt that. I don’t like his writing but he seems to be on the right side of most issues from what I’ve seen, I just tend to be cynical/skeptical when this is done in corporate Big Two stuff and how much of his writing seems geared towards “shocking”/OMG moments people can share on Twitter or Reddit.
[QUOTE=Gaius;5840157]Oh, I don’t doubt that. I don’t like his writing but he seems to be on the right side of most issues from what I’ve seen, I just tend to be cynical/skeptical when this is done in corporate Big Two stuff and how much of his writing seems geared towards “shocking”/OMG moments people can share on Twitter or Reddit.[/QUOTE]
Sure, that I can agree with. To be honest, his take on both Power Girl/Supergirl has been very much not what I agree with. If I recall, he gave Karen the S shield, which if you've read her comics, you know she'd take any symbol before the family crest. Yeah, it's her family too-- that's why she doesn't want it. She doesn't want to be the "other Supergirl" or "Superman's cousin," she wants to make her own legacy. She'd make her own symbol that doesn't resemble the crest of L/El, but he wanted to be the guy to cover the boob window and seemingly wasn't aware of that. He effectively had her throw away all her struggles and accept she's Supergirl, which is effectively erasing her identity. They have covered the boob window in the past with just a plain white leotard and that was fine, but I don't think he much cared. He was more interested in the response than the character.
I think this is more of that. He doesn't much care for Supergirl or Wonder Woman. In this case, I think he wanted to give the SuperCorp people another bone with Diana a prop for it.
As always in Elseworlds, Diana is an instrument to tell someone else's story. Put a quarter in her and she'll kiss the protagonist. Fucking gag me.
If the snow ball effect of this is Diana eventually getting girlfriends with people I find to be a better match then I will accept it.
In some continuities Kara is technically older than, having been sent away from Krypton as a preteen while Clark was an infant but got stuck in space for some time. The Smallville show also had her as around the same age as Clark.
[SPOIL]I'm more annoyed that they didn't pair Diana off with someone from her own corner of the DCU than anything else.[/SPOIL]
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[SPOIL]I'm more annoyed that they didn't pair Diana off with someone from her own corner of the DCU than anything else.[/SPOIL][/QUOTE]
Yup. This is my biggest beef with it as well.
Sigh, of course Taylor's gotta pair her off with a Superman character :p
At least Morrison gave us what we deserved
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[QUOTE=Psy-lock;5840202]Sigh, of course Taylor's gotta pair her off with a Superman character :p
At least Morrison gave us what we deserved
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I really need to get around to reading that book.
[QUOTE=Robanker;5840161]Sure, that I can agree with. To be honest, his take on both Power Girl/Supergirl has been very much not what I agree with. If I recall, he gave Karen the S shield, which if you've read her comics, you know she'd take any symbol before the family crest. Yeah, it's her family too-- that's why she doesn't want it. She doesn't want to be the "other Supergirl" or "Superman's cousin," she wants to make her own legacy. She'd make her own symbol that doesn't resemble the crest of L/El, but he wanted to be the guy to cover the boob window and seemingly wasn't aware of that. He effectively had her throw away all her struggles and accept she's Supergirl, which is effectively erasing her identity. They have covered the boob window in the past with just a plain white leotard and that was fine, but I don't think he much cared. He was more interested in the response than the character.
I think this is more of that. He doesn't much care for Supergirl or Wonder Woman. In this case, I think he wanted to give the SuperCorp people another bone with Diana a prop for it.
[B]As always in Elseworlds, Diana is an instrument to tell someone else's story.[/B] Put a quarter in her and she'll kiss the protagonist. Fucking gag me.[/QUOTE]
Are we sure it only happens in elseworlds stories? :p
[QUOTE=mystical41;5840223]Are we sure it only happens in elseworlds stories? :p[/QUOTE]
More often than in the mainline, but it's a problem here too.
But hey, she got to stomp on Batman once here and Superman once in Elseworlds, so wherever she gets to stomp some World's Finest ass next gets to reign supreme. :p
[QUOTE=Psy-lock;5840202]Sigh, of course Taylor's gotta pair her off with a Superman character :p
At least Morrison gave us what we deserved
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I'm fine with them hooking up, but I don't see why Diana would be romantically interested in Artemis
Why all the invisible text on the last couple of pages? Were we spoiling something that has already come out?
apparently its a discussion about an alt world Wonder Woman in 'Knights of Steel' which is an elseworld miniseries where the premise is the El family immigrated to a fantasy style Earth
Very game of thrones from what im hearing
[QUOTE=BiteTheBullet;5840372]Why all the invisible text on the last couple of pages? Were we spoiling something that has already come out?[/QUOTE]
Yes. Or it comes out tomorrow.
I'd also rather Diana be paired with someone from her own corner of the DCU, but it's Taylor and an Elseworlds tale so it's ultimately harmless. It does add some representation, especially for Diana since she's a queer character without many showings of queer love/sexual interest. Not that this Elseworlds tale changes the lack of that within the mainline DCU, but like I'm a Fish said, maybe this can lead to her having girlfriends (yes, plural. I don't really think Diana would subscribe to monogamy/monoamory) in her own books.
Believe WW is still under the Superman group from an editorial perspective as Mike Cotton was listed as the Senior Editor on the latest issues of Wonder Woman, Wonder Girl and Nubia and the Amazons - [URL="https://twitter.com/Paul_Kaminski/status/1468328285071634435"]Paul Kaminsi is the new Senior Editor in charge of the Superman group[/URL].
Though he's currently moving over from the bat office Kaminski was previously in the Superman group when Berganza and then Rich were running it and has worked on WW before: [url]https://dc.fandom.com/wiki/Category:Paul_Kaminski/Editor?from=W[/url]
[QUOTE=Hypo;5842658]Believe WW is still under the Superman group from an editorial perspective as Mike Cotton was listed as the Senior Editor on the latest issues of Wonder Woman, Wonder Girl and Nubia and the Amazons - [URL="https://twitter.com/Paul_Kaminski/status/1468328285071634435"]Paul Kaminsi is the new Senior Editor in charge of the Superman group[/URL].
Though he's currently moving over from the bat office Kaminski was previously in the Superman group when Berganza and then Rich were running it and has worked on WW before: [url]https://dc.fandom.com/wiki/Category:Paul_Kaminski/Editor?from=W[/url][/QUOTE]
So we are still in the mess of batman and superman editors. Sigh
I hope one day Diana gets her own editorial office
[URL="https://bleedingcool.com/comics/donny-cates-and-chip-zdarsky-both-turned-down-nightwing/"]Scott Snyder still wants to write WW[/URL]
[QUOTE=Vordan;5846639][URL="https://bleedingcool.com/comics/donny-cates-and-chip-zdarsky-both-turned-down-nightwing/"]Scott Snyder still wants to write WW[/URL][/QUOTE]
He says he couldn't accept to write Nightwing because he couldn't get into the mindset of the character. But what makes him think he gets Diana's mindset right? So far his writing on WW hasn't been very strong. And he focuses too much in a WW that depends on weapons and tends to be too much like a generic warrior. He isn't terrible. But his overall writing for Diana doesn't have enough depth in my opinion.
[QUOTE=mystical41;5846757]He says he couldn't accept to write Nightwing because he couldn't get into the mindset of the character. But what makes him think he gets Diana's mindset right? So far his writing on WW hasn't been very strong. And he focuses too much in a WW that depends on weapons and tends to be too much like a generic warrior. He isn't terrible. But his overall writing for Diana doesn't have enough depth in my opinion.[/QUOTE]
He couldn't get into the mindset of writing Firestorm - Nightwing he has an open invitation from DC to write whenever he frees up.
[QUOTE=Hypo;5846760]He couldn't get into the mindset of writing Firestorm - Nightwing he has an open invitation from DC to write whenever he frees up.[/QUOTE]
Oh. I misunderstood. Thanks.
[QUOTE=Vordan;5846639][URL="https://bleedingcool.com/comics/donny-cates-and-chip-zdarsky-both-turned-down-nightwing/"]Scott Snyder still wants to write WW[/URL][/QUOTE]
Hmm, of all the golden boys who've written Diana the past decade (Johns, King, Taylor, Tomasi, etc) his writing on her has never been particularly egregious but he's also clearly more comfortable in the Warrior Woman sphere.
Tynion was his protege (irrc) and he wrote her good in JLD, so maybe that'd be a good sign.
Though with his creator-owned projects, I don't think this would happen for a long while. :p
[QUOTE=mystical41;5846757]He says he couldn't accept to write Nightwing because he couldn't get into the mindset of the character. But what makes him think he gets Diana's mindset right? So far his writing on WW hasn't been very strong. And he focuses too much in a WW that depends on weapons and tends to be too much like a generic warrior. He isn't terrible. But his overall writing for Diana doesn't have enough depth in my opinion.[/QUOTE]
That was Firestorm he was talking about.
[QUOTE=Gaius;5846766]Tynion was his protege (irrc) and he wrote her good in JLD, so maybe that'd be a good sign.[/QUOTE]
Bennett was too though I think she only wrote WW in the bombshells stuff?
[QUOTE=Vordan;5846639][URL="https://bleedingcool.com/comics/donny-cates-and-chip-zdarsky-both-turned-down-nightwing/"]Scott Snyder still wants to write WW[/URL][/QUOTE]
I'm sure you do, Scott, but Death Metal convinced me he's got no real interest in Diana other than set dressing and generic warrior motifs.
I just saw a "Wonder Woman" commercial. It mentions Wonder Woman's 80th Anniversary and that all women are wonder women. A nice commercial. It went by so quickly that I cannot wait to see it again and I hope that it airs often.
[QUOTE=Hypo;5846773]Bennett was too though I think she only wrote WW in the bombshells stuff?[/QUOTE]
Think so. She was almost the WW: Rebirth writer but had to drop at the last minute.
[QUOTE=mystical41;5846757]He says he couldn't accept to write Nightwing because he couldn't get into the mindset of the character. But what makes him think he gets Diana's mindset right? So far his writing on WW hasn't been very strong. And he focuses too much in a WW that depends on weapons and tends to be too much like a generic warrior. He isn't terrible. But his overall writing for Diana doesn't have enough depth in my opinion.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Gaius;5846766]Hmm, of all the golden boys who've written Diana the past decade (Johns, King, Taylor, Tomasi, etc) his writing on her has never been particularly egregious but he's also clearly more comfortable in the Warrior Woman sphere.
Tynion was his protege (irrc) and he wrote her good in JLD, so maybe that'd be a good sign.
Though with his creator-owned projects, I don't think this would happen for a long while. :p
That was Firestorm he was talking about.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Robanker;5846912]I'm sure you do, Scott, but Death Metal convinced me he's got no real interest in Diana other than set dressing and generic warrior motifs.[/QUOTE]
Yeah Snyder’s take on her doesn’t rise above “basic” for me. It’s ok but nothing special, truthfully it reminds me of his Superman take. There’s some sparks of good stuff here and there but nothing that has me chomping at the bit to see him tackle the character again. And Death Metal was [B][I]not[/I][/B] a “true” WW event imo.
[QUOTE=Gaius;5847499]Think so. She was almost the WW: Rebirth writer but had to drop at the last minute.[/QUOTE]
Still curious what her take would’ve been. I’m assuming she wouldn’t go scorched earth the way Rucka did but I have no clue how you’d redeem the New 52 Amazons.
[QUOTE=Gaius;5847499]Think so. She was almost the WW: Rebirth writer but had to drop at the last minute.[/QUOTE]
If I remember correctly she made some social media posts at the time about needing work because she lost something that was lined up so I don't think she dropped, she was dropped by DC editorial when they realized they could get Rucka.
[QUOTE=Vordan;5847598]Yeah Snyder’s take on her doesn’t rise above “basic” for me. It’s ok but nothing special, truthfully it reminds me of his Superman take. There’s some sparks of good stuff here and there but nothing that has me chomping at the bit to see him tackle the character again. And Death Metal was [B][I]not[/I][/B] a “true” WW event imo.[/QUOTE]
I wouldn’t be turned off immediately. He doesn’t really have a bad WW take/moment that turns me off him like the ones I brought up all do but
Wouldn’t have to worry about WonderBat shipping though. His Bruce is clearly in love with the physical city of Gotham. :p
[QUOTE=Vordan;5847598]Still curious what her take would’ve been. I’m assuming she wouldn’t go scorched earth the way Rucka did but I have no clue how you’d redeem the New 52 Amazons.[/QUOTE]
Never fully know since I imagine in Bombshells she was probably allowed more freedom there in the main books (like how Taylor got to do whatever he wanted in the Injustice books).
Sharp (who would have been the artist anyway) has occasionally posted some early draft art that had New 52 Ares, so imagine it wouldn’t have burned everything down but I think DC wanted a book probably closer in tone to the movie that was coming.
[QUOTE=Hypo;5847605]If I remember correctly she made some social media posts at the time about needing work because she lost something that was lined up so I don't think she dropped, she was dropped by DC editorial when they realized they could get Rucka.[/QUOTE]
Ah, probably. Thanks.