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I agree about Captain Marvel/ Shazam having some cool crossover potential with Wonfer Woman.
I'm glad the Greek gods are dead in the DCEU. Wonder Woman needs to show how awesome her unique corners of the universe are, instead of attaching itself to the most overused mythology in fantasy stories
[QUOTE=masterwitcher88;6112060]Queen Meave vs Homelander
[video=youtube;Ibpig7WTZa4]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ibpig7WTZa4[/video][/QUOTE]
Hate that even in these pseudo-parody/subverting-the-superhero-trope shows, the Wonder Woman analogue will always be portrayed as weaker than the Superman analogue. And why did she hold on to the living nuke? Why not just push him through the window??
[QUOTE=masterwitcher88;6112060]Queen Meave vs Homelander
[video=youtube;Ibpig7WTZa4]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ibpig7WTZa4[/video][/QUOTE]
I am surre the people beihind that show think that is how a battle between SM and WW would go. So yeah, that is just hot trash.
[QUOTE=HestiasHearth;6112252]Hate that even in these pseudo-parody/subverting-the-superhero-trope shows, the Wonder Woman analogue will always be portrayed as weaker than the Superman analogue. And why did she hold on to the living nuke? Why not just push him through the window??[/QUOTE]
Sexism. WW is only a powerhouse in lipservice. Nothing more.
[QUOTE=HestiasHearth;6112252]Hate that even in these pseudo-parody/subverting-the-superhero-trope shows, the Wonder Woman analogue will always be portrayed as weaker than the Superman analogue. And why did she hold on to the living nuke? Why not just push him through the window??[/QUOTE]
To be fair this was a lot better than in the comic... where she legit got her head punched off in one hit. huh, which I guess Tom Taylor emulated in Dceced lol.
[URL="http://https://comicnewbies.com/2020/01/17/homelander-kills-queen-maeve/"]http://https://comicnewbies.com/2020/01/17/homelander-kills-queen-maeve/[/URL]
I mean she does live in the show, she just lost her powers. The nuke-guy (Solider-boy) was tested on by Russians since the cold war, that nuke thing created a chemical that neutralized super-powers, they were trying to do that with Homelander, it's a whole thing. In the show, Maeve was always an alcoholic with a death wish. She was originally optimistic and wanted to affect real change and all but, the world, capitalism, and Homelander basically broke her. Homelander is a psychopathic man-child who is basically the most powerful hero in the universe. Maeve is like the third. She was 100% willing to fight Homelander knowing it ws the death of her, if it meant "the boys" could take a shot to kill him. Maeve is basically Diana if Diana took the black pill and became a doomer/cynic.
[QUOTE=HestiasHearth;6112252]Hate that even in these pseudo-parody/subverting-the-superhero-trope shows, the Wonder Woman analogue will always be portrayed as weaker than the Superman analogue. And why did she hold on to the living nuke? Why not just push him through the window??[/QUOTE]
[I]The Boys[/I] isn't exactly known for its action. (I find most of their actions scenes to be pretty terrible actually, too many quick-cuts...)
[QUOTE=masterwitcher88;6112280]To be fair this was a lot better than in the comic... where she legit got her head punched off in one hit. huh, which I guess Tom Taylor emulated in Dceced lol.
[URL="http://https://comicnewbies.com/2020/01/17/homelander-kills-queen-maeve/"]http://https://comicnewbies.com/2020/01/17/homelander-kills-queen-maeve/[/URL]
I mean she does live in the show, she just lost her powers. The nuke-guy (Solider-boy) was tested on by Russians since the cold war, that nuke thing created a chemical that neutralized super-powers, they were trying to do that with Homelander, it's a whole thing. In the show, Maeve was always an alcoholic with a death wish. She was originally optimistic and wanted to affect real change and all but, the world, capitalism, and Homelander basically broke her. Homelander is a psychopathic man-child who is basically the most powerful hero in the universe. Maeve is like the third. She was 100% willing to fight Homelander knowing it ws the death of her, if it meant "the boys" could take a shot to kill him. Maeve is basically Diana if Diana took the black pill and became a doomer/cynic.[/QUOTE]
Even WW clones aren't number one or even second best. LOL. Gotta love that at least they are consistent with that. Sigh
[QUOTE=mystical41;6112261]I am surre the people beihind that show think that is how a battle between SM and WW would go. So yeah, that is just hot trash.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=mystical41;6112268]Sexism. WW is only a powerhouse in lipservice. Nothing more.[/QUOTE]
I wouldn't really go that far with this. The show runners are very much pro-progressivism and are leftists. They actual did the best they could do for Maeve given her character and purpose in the comic. Like I have a lot of issues with the Boys, the treatment/messages they have with the women is not one of them.
[QUOTE=HestiasHearth;6112252]Hate that even in these pseudo-parody/subverting-the-superhero-trope shows, the Wonder Woman analogue will always be portrayed as weaker than the Superman analogue. And why did she hold on to the living nuke? Why not just push him through the window??[/QUOTE]
"No, you see sure Superman's stronger than her (along with every other who-gives-a-s*** nameless Kryptonian), but she's more sKilLeD!"
:p
(I don't watch [I]The Boys[/I] btw, just having some fun).
[QUOTE=John Venus;6112072]The fans have nothing to do with this.[/QUOTE]
I know, but my point stands ;).
[QUOTE=masterwitcher88;6112295]I wouldn't really go that far with this. The show runners are very much pro-progressivism and are leftists. They actual did the best they could do for Maeve given her character and purpose in the comic. Like I have a lot of issues with the Boys, the treatment/messages they have with the women is not one of them.[/QUOTE]
They gave her a better treatment than in the comic. But that isn't saying much. I am throwing around the word sexism a lot i guess. But that's because ironically, WW has suffered from that so much, and she is the face of feminist anbd girl power in comics. Sigh.
[QUOTE=masterwitcher88;6112060]Queen Meave vs Homelander
[video=youtube;Ibpig7WTZa4]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ibpig7WTZa4[/video][/QUOTE]
Maeve fared a lot better against Homelander than WW did vs Superman in Justice League so they've kind of done her justice
I don't watch [I]The Boys[/I], but a passing glance on Twitter and all I've been seeing is fans talking about how badass Mauve is for taking Homelander on.
If nothing else, as pointed out, she did far better than Diana did against Superman in both versions of [I]Justice League[/I].
There's nothing The Boys loves more than taking something Marvel/DC did and adapting it for either a good joke or to show them up one. This is what I expect from a WW/SM fight.
[QUOTE=Primal Slayer;6112543]There's nothing The Boys loves more than taking something Marvel/DC did and adapting it for either a good joke or to show them up one. [B]This is what I expect from a WW/SM fight.[/B][/QUOTE]
So you expect her to get easily overpowered? I thought she was comparable to him in power and has more skills. And she gets easily dominated? She can't win? Well. That's what happens when all a character has is lipservice.
[QUOTE=Gaius;6112303]"No, you see sure Superman's stronger than her (along with every other who-gives-a-s*** nameless Kryptonian), but she's more sKilLeD!"
:p
(I don't watch [I]The Boys[/I] btw, just having some fun).[/QUOTE]
I watched the first two seasons and I got tired of it. It is literally an edgelord AF show in which many of the graphic sex scenes and kills have zero narrative purpose or character-driven purpose. It's all about titillating the viewer and making them go, "Woah! How badass! How did they get away with that!" And of course, women don't fare too well. I mean, it's called The Boys, so I wasn't expecting a feminist show (although some people claim it is. Whatevs). In the show, most women are still valued based on their relationships to men, their sex appeal, or both. And no, that Homelander V Queen Maeve scene was not great. People are raving about how tough she was for taking on Homelander. Hello! She is supposed to be tough. She is Wonder Woman of the Seven. We need to stop normalizing the idea that Wonder Woman is "weaker but more skilled," especially when they RARELY if at all show us all these skills that they claim she has.
[QUOTE=mystical41;6112599]So you expect her to get easily overpowered? I thought she was comparable to him in power and has more skills. And she gets easily dominated? She can't win? Well. That's what happens when all a character has is lipservice.[/QUOTE]
Yes the Superman analogue is the most OP character in the show. Even though there are hundreds of superpowered people, he outright crushes all of them, they are all afraid of him. Except that in season 2 we are introduced to a female villain that is totally as strong as him. The only character in that world that has nothing to fear from him. And this psycopathic woman and the psychopatic Superman end up liking each other for how psycho they both are.
The Wonder Woman analogue is probably the closest one in the worlc to those two characters. She isn't as strong as him of course. But I didn't expect her to be able to compete, a d she actually did, in a way quite similar to the Sacrifice fight between WW and Supes
[SPOIL]Maeve punctured Homelander's ear and is the first person to make him bleed. She is far from weak.[/SPOIL]
[QUOTE=HestiasHearth;6112650]I watched the first two seasons and I got tired of it. It is literally an edgelord AF show in which many of the graphic sex scenes and kills have zero narrative purpose or character-driven purpose. It's all about titillating the viewer and making them go, "Woah! How badass! How did they get away with that!" And of course, women don't fare too well. I mean, it's called The Boys, so I wasn't expecting a feminist show (although some people claim it is. Whatevs). In the show, most women are still valued based on their relationships to men, their sex appeal, or both. And no, that Homelander V Queen Maeve scene was not great. People are raving about how tough she was for taking on Homelander. Hello! She is supposed to be tough. She is Wonder Woman of the Seven. We need to stop normalizing the idea that Wonder Woman is "weaker but more skilled," especially when they RARELY if at all show us all these skills that they claim she has.[/QUOTE]
I don't think the women are valued only because of their relationship to men. Maeve, Annie and Kimiko all have arcs that don't center on the men in their lives and Annie is practically the main heroine of the entire story. It should also be noted that [SPOIL]Soldier Boy got taken down by two women.[/SPOIL]
There are some instances where the sex and violence is gratuitous but that isn't always the case.
I agree with Agent Z
[QUOTE=mystical41;6112599]So you expect her to get easily overpowered? I thought she was comparable to him in power and has more skills. And she gets easily dominated? She can't win? Well. That's what happens when all a character has is lipservice.[/QUOTE]
If that's what you think that is your prerogative. Maeve kicked his ass, made him bleed which only one other person has been able to do. She didnt get her ass handed to her like WW did in JL.
[QUOTE=HestiasHearth;6112650]I watched the first two seasons and I got tired of it. It is literally an edgelord AF show in which many of the graphic sex scenes and kills have zero narrative purpose or character-driven purpose. It's all about titillating the viewer and making them go, "Woah! How badass! How did they get away with that!" And of course, women don't fare too well. I mean, it's called The Boys, so I wasn't expecting a feminist show (although some people claim it is. Whatevs). In the show, most women are still valued based on their relationships to men, their sex appeal, or both. And no, that Homelander V Queen Maeve scene was not great. People are raving about how tough she was for taking on Homelander. Hello! She is supposed to be tough. She is Wonder Woman of the Seven. We need to stop normalizing the idea that Wonder Woman is "weaker but more skilled," especially when they RARELY if at all show us all these skills that they claim she has.[/QUOTE]
The show is so much more than that lol. It is showing who we are as a society and how F-ed up we are. Homelander is literally 45. But some wont enjoy it and that is perfectly ok.
Yeah I thought The Boys was a stupid cliche show designed for edgy 13 year olds. But I started watching season 2 randomly and realized it was actually quite good. And I don't think it a sexist show at all.
The only character can is just as strong as Homelander ("Superman") is Stormfront (a female character). Even the new character introduced in season 3 that is supposed to be Captain America is much weaker than Homelander (even though it has an OP secret power).
And all the female characters actually are great and have a lot of nuance. Annie/ Starlight's is the coprotagonist along with Hughie, and even though they have a romantic relationship, they also have relationships outside those that matter just as much (Starlight has her mother in season 1, Queen Maeve, Stormfront in a horrible way, etc)
The Boys comic is definitely a stupid cliche show designed for edgy 13 year olds, but the TV show is [I]so much better[/I]. The title is super misleading because the show is just as much about the women as it is about the "boys". Starlight has easily become my favorite character in the most recent season and is arguably more important to the show now than Hughie is.
[QUOTE=Primal Slayer;6112925]If that's what you think that is your prerogative. Maeve kicked his ass, made him bleed which only one other person has been able to do. She didnt get her ass handed to her like WW did in JL.
The show is so much more than that lol. It is showing who we are as a society and how F-ed up we are. Homelander is literally 45. But some wont enjoy it and that is perfectly ok.[/QUOTE]
He caused her far more damage than what she caused him. And had the fight continued. He would have killed her.
[QUOTE=Alpha;6112665]Yes the Superman analogue is the most OP character in the show. Even though there are hundreds of superpowered people, he outright crushes all of them, they are all afraid of him. Except that in season 2 we are introduced to a female villain that is totally as strong as him. The only character in that world that has nothing to fear from him. And this psycopathic woman and the psychopatic Superman end up liking each other for how psycho they both are.
The Wonder Woman analogue is probably the closest one in the worlc to those two characters. She isn't as strong as him of course. But I didn't expect her to be able to compete, a d she actually did, in a way quite similar to the Sacrifice fight between WW and Supes[/QUOTE]
And WW isn't supposed to be OP? According to DC she is super powerful and comparable to Superman. poor sexists that keep givin lipservice and never put their money where their mouth is.
[QUOTE=Agent Z;6112672][SPOIL]Maeve punctured Homelander's ear and is the first person to make him bleed. She is far from weak.[/SPOIL]
I don't think the women are valued only because of their relationship to men. Maeve, Annie and Kimiko all have arcs that don't center on the men in their lives and Annie is practically the main heroine of the entire story. It should also be noted that [SPOIL]Soldier Boy got taken down by two women.[/SPOIL]
There are some instances where the sex and violence is gratuitous but that isn't always the case.[/QUOTE]
She was getting overpowered easily. She would have been killed if they had kept on fighting.
[QUOTE=mystical41;6112988]He caused her far more damage than what she caused him. And had the fight continued. He would have killed her.[/QUOTE]
She still kicked his ass. She might've died. Might've fled to fight another day. But she still kicked his ass. If you dont watch the show and get the relevance of it then....its a very big moment.
I read The Boys when it originally came out in comic form. It came out a couple of years after Millar's Wanted and had some common themes and satire.
I think the Amazon series has been vastly more interesting and it has to be considering all the similar types of comics and “dark” and “edgy” superheroes and other action and adventure movies and series that have been provided to the general populace since them.
I’m enjoying the nuance and extra characterization in series and overall all the actors have done a decent job with their characters. I like that the series is just as much about the superheroes as The Boys.
Maeve as the Wonder Woman pastiche has had some great moments.
Yeah, from what I heard Ennis has no involvement in The Boys so not surprised it's toned down. Though I don't think he's involved in any of the adaptions of his work.
[QUOTE=Primal Slayer;6113010]She still kicked his ass. She might've died. Might've fled to fight another day. But she still kicked his ass. If you dont watch the show and get the relevance of it then....its a very big moment.[/QUOTE]
She didn't kick his ass. He was easily taking her best hits. Easily destroyed her eye. She barely fazed him with all her hits. She was getting overpowered easily.
[QUOTE=mystical41;6113051]She didn't kick his ass. He was easily taking her best hits. Easily destroyed her eye. She barely fazed him with all her hits. She was getting overpowered easily.[/QUOTE]
She kicked his ass
[QUOTE=Primal Slayer;6113070]She kicked his ass[/QUOTE]
She didn't. And he was not even trying his hardest.
The was kicked, Blood was shed.
I guess my definition of "kicking someone's ass" is quite different from some WW fans. I saw Maeve connect some punches and take some of Homelander's, but at no point did I see her kicking anybody's ass.
[QUOTE=HestiasHearth;6113138]I guess my definition of "kicking someone's ass" is quite different from some WW fans. I saw Maeve connect some punches and take some of Homelander's, but at no point did I see her kicking anybody's ass.[/QUOTE]
Thats the thing, we all have differences of opinions.
So I watched Thor Love & Thunder yesterday (great popcorn movie with romance, heart, laughs and way too much Guns and Roses) and I kept thinking how "this wouldn't work for Diana" except for Omnipotent City which to me looked a lot like the Perez rendition of Olympus. All it needed was wonky perspective and I'd think they stole his idea.
It also amazed me how seemless the cgi fight scences were and it irked me that we don't get that level of action and attention to detail in Wonder Woman. I'm sure Pattie Jenkins is a nice lady and a good director but I don't want her anywhere near Wonder Woman III. Thor Love & Thunder made WW 1984 look like one of those quiet women's Christmas films on the Hallmark channel.
[QUOTE=mystical41;6112990]And WW isn't supposed to be OP? According to DC she is super powerful and comparable to Superman. poor sexists that keep givin lipservice and never put their money where their mouth is.[/QUOTE]
You were saying The Boys is sexist. It isn't. See the fights between Stormfront and Honelander. She is more than his equal.
[QUOTE=HestiasHearth;6113138]I guess my definition of "kicking someone's ass" is quite different from some WW fans. I saw Maeve connect some punches and take some of Homelander's, but at no point did I see her kicking anybody's ass.[/QUOTE]
She put a pipe through his ear holes
[QUOTE=Koriand'r;6113193]So I watched Thor Love & Thunder yesterday (great popcorn movie with romance, heart, laughs and way too much Guns and Roses) and I kept thinking how "this wouldn't work for Diana" except for Omnipotent City which to me looked a lot like the Perez rendition of Olympus. All it needed was wonky perspective and I'd think they stole his idea.
It also amazed me how seemless the cgi fight scences were and it irked me that we don't get that level of action and attention to detail in Wonder Woman. I'm sure Pattie Jenkins is a nice lady and a good director but I don't want her anywhere near Wonder Woman III. Thor Love & Thunder made WW 1984 look like one of those quiet women's Christmas films on the Hallmark channel.[/QUOTE]
I hated Love and Thunder and put WW84 above it. If I had to choose between directors...Id choose Patty lol. Though both had way to much power over their sequels.
Just from looking at the clip, Maeve looks like she was pretty evenly matched with Homelander. They both tank each other's blows, he takes her eye, but she stabs him in the ear. Looks like it could've gone either way before she sacrifices herself to take out Soldier Boy.
Correct me if I'm wrong--because, again, I don't watch [I]The Boys[/I]--but isn't Maeve NOT a trained warrior? Even though she's a Wonder Woman analogue, she's just a super-powered woman the corporation she works for dressed up in an Amazon costume and made that her gimmick?
[QUOTE=Alpha;6113196]You were saying The Boys is sexist. It isn't. See the fights between Stormfront and Honelander. She is more than his equal.[/QUOTE]
Sexist people at DC. They give lipservice about how WW is comparable to SM. But then they have him clean the floor with her more often than not.