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[QUOTE=Koriand'r;6394202]True because these are comic books, a wish fullfilment fantasy where everyone is good looking, no one ever gains weight (except Ted Kord in JLI and Donna Troy in Kingdom Come) everyone is jacked or curvacious and no one ever has to go to the bathroom unexpectedly, or ever goes bald.
In fact I'd say superhero hair is a power unto itself, posessed by heroes everywhere. After all their hair is always picture perfect without maintenance or a salon. It's all a part of the fantasy.[/QUOTE]
And some people think the video game Diana is beautiful and like the varied appearance, which does nothing to erase the other depictions.
So what is even the point to any of this?
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[QUOTE=SiegePerilous02;6394216]And some people think the video game Diana is beautiful and like the varied appearance, which does nothing to erase the other depictions.
So what is even the point to any of this?[/QUOTE]
It's my first day as Department Supervisor I'll get back to you after 10. I was on lunch before.
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[QUOTE=Koriand'r;6394257]It's my first day as Department Supervisor I'll get back to you after 10. I was on lunch before.[/QUOTE]
Well congrats to you on the promotion!
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[QUOTE=Phoenixx9;6394279]Well congrats to you on the promotion![/QUOTE]
Thank You! :) I was going out to celebrate but "It's A Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad World" just came on TCM and I love that movie so I'm staying home to watch it.
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[QUOTE=SiegePerilous02;6394216]And some people think the video game Diana is beautiful and like the varied appearance, which does nothing to erase the other depictions.
So what is even the point to any of this?[/QUOTE]
It's a slippery slope, when you let stuff slide you end up with Cathy Lee Crosby or Adrianne Palicki as Wonder Woman. There has to be a standard.
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[QUOTE=SiegePerilous02;6394216]And some people think the video game Diana is beautiful and like the varied appearance, which does nothing to erase the other depictions.
So what is even the point to any of this?[/QUOTE]
I would love to see a poll of the percentage of people who think the video game Diana is ' beautiful." Or even a poll who people think is hotter based on the Suicide Squad videogame, Diana or Harley Quinn?
But you know, let's get the 'model' who is the face for the Wonder Woman character in the game and cast her as the new live action Wonder Woman. I mean, that is basically what some are saying should happen. It's probably a good thing that her comic book sales are in the low 30,000 to 20,000 range versus the amount of people that know her through TV or the movies. To say that people expect a certain 'look' for her in media besides comics is a certainty for me.
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[QUOTE=BiteTheBullet;6394369]I would love to see a poll of the percentage of people who think the video game Diana is ' beautiful." Or even a poll who people think is hotter based on the Suicide Squad videogame, Diana or Harley Quinn?
But you know, let's get the 'model' who is the face for the Wonder Woman character in the game and cast her as the new live action Wonder Woman. I mean, that is basically what some are saying should happen. It's probably a good thing that her comic book sales are in the low 30,000 to 20,000 range versus the amount of people that know her through TV or the movies. To say that people expect a certain 'look' for her in media besides comics is a certainty for me.[/QUOTE]
Careful now.
You're responding to a poster, not the Scarecrow. So not a strawman.
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[QUOTE=Koriand'r;6394354]It's a slippery slope, when you let stuff slide you end up with Cathy Lee Crosby or Adrianne Palicki as Wonder Woman. There has to be a standard.[/QUOTE]
Crosby not looking like Diana was the least of that pilot's issues. Palicki looks like the Wonder Woman you wanted but that didn't help the writing of her pilot, which shows how meaningless looks are compared to other, more important qualities.
The standard for a good depiction of Wonder Woman should not begin and end with how attractive she is.
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Ok, I am trying to wade through this discussion to understand what I'm hearing, because it feels like loads of projection and conflation is going on to complicate it. Bear with me while I try to check my understanding.
For some, I'm hearing that there's a preference for Diana to be depicted physically with characteristics that are consistent with how they believe she has been depicted the majority of the time in the past - pale skin, dark hair, blue eyes etc.
For some, difference from these characteristics is no big deal.
For some, difference from depicting her with (some, or all of) these characteristics is preferable.
For some this is particularly the case if the shifts adhere to personal preferences or understandings of what would "fit" for Diana based on things like the cultures her story draws from (e.g. Ancient Greece) or what she does with her time (e.g. physical activity). This is where I'm hearing some of the interest in her having a darker skin tone, or dark eyes, or where ideas about her facial features and physique come in. Some may also feel that these depictions are helpful contributions to a wider discussion of representation of women in media. And for some, all of these physical aspects that differ from the "white skin, blue eyes" depiction also have precedent in comics and other media that have depicted her in these ways before, so aren't felt to be particularly controversial depictions of Diana anyway.
Where I'm hearing conflation happening, is where any of these preferences are being argued to be "more" or "less beautiful" than others, or even just "better", beyond the realms of personal opinion. I'm hearing where drawing on an imaginary "majority" to reinforce a personal view as true might start to come in, which feels like dangerous territory. Even if 99 of 100 people believe something, it doesn't make it "objectively true", it's a widely held belief.
This conflation of personal preference with what's objectively or even agreeably beautiful gets more complicated when the notion of Diana being "as beautiful as Aphrodite" comes in, because it seems to add a layer of imperative that somehow there *is* an objective beauty, and Diana should adhere to it. (Sidenote: it's interesting how often this line continues to be interpreted as referring to Diana's physical form and not her beauty as a person in other ways, but I digress).
Where I think I'm hearing projection, is where assumptions (I think) are being made about why people have the preferences they have, what they think about other things, what it indicates about their politics, and how authentic those politics or beliefs are.
I have deliberately not name checked or quoted here, because I am curious to see what of the above is resonating with people, and also what I am overlooking or missing about where people stand. I ask because there's some heat and flippancy seeping into this conversation that I don't think is necessary if there's effort to get clear about what we're up to.
Am I hearing things deeply enough here? Or missing things entirely?
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I could have sworn Diana has told a lesson about how societal standards of beauty are often conflated and put a ton of pressure on people, girls in particular, to look a certain way. I also see not many people here took that lesson to heart.
Literally out here complaining that a magic Greek woman who comes from an island full of other magic Greek women.... isn't white enough and this means that she isn't pretty enough to be called Wonder Woman. Like get a grip. Frankly Diana should have a more olive skin tone, she should also have Grey eyes if we're sticking to continuity. It's not the end of the world if Diana is presented as having olive skin, unless there is some specific reason as to why Diana shouldn't have olive skin that isn't just "it's NoT WonDer WoMan" rebranded.
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[QUOTE=masterwitcher88;6394434]I could have sworn Diana has told a lesson about how societal standards of beauty are often conflated and put a ton of pressure on people, girls in particular, to look a certain way. I also see not many people here took that lesson to heart.
Literally out here complaining that a magic Greek woman who comes from an island full of other magic Greek women.... isn't white enough and this means that she isn't pretty enough to be called Wonder Woman. Like get a grip. Frankly Diana should have a more olive skin tone, she should also have Grey eyes if we're sticking to continuity. It's not the end of the world if Diana is presented as having olive skin, unless there is some specific reason as to why Diana shouldn't have olive skin that isn't just "it's NoT WonDer WoMan" rebranded.[/QUOTE]
Wait a minute, no one said that. Not even close, and let the record show I never said Diana needed pale skin for accuracy. It's a lack of blue eyes that's the deal breaker to me. Ororo Munroe has blue eyes and for my money she's far more beautiful than Diana of Themyscira.
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So, Im just rereading Willow Wilson's era, and noticed that in this run in exchange of freeing Giganta for a time, Wondie has to owe something to Amanda Waller. Has someone ever used this plot line, or has it joined the "Wonder Woman frustrated plots" along with Liar Liar being manipulated by his father to resurrect, Dr Psycho manipulating Vanessa, or the end of the Stephanie Philips comic? Can't remember it now.
Also, I'm noticing this run really had good ideas... but the art is really on a looooooooooooooooooooow moment. Even lower than on Robinson's run, which is a lot to say. Ares causing a civil war, or the themes about how Wonder Woman should release her powers more, all of those are interesting themes, but it's just, the art disserves the scripts a lot, Gary Nord most of all feels like he was doing a poor work here. It's not that Willow Wilson was doing her best either, tho, because there are still weird things here and there, plots unused, and in general you can feel the woman was generating plots that ended in three numbers because she wanted to jump to the next one as quickly as possible.
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[QUOTE=Koriand'r;6394354]It's a slippery slope, when you let stuff slide you end up with Cathy Lee Crosby or Adrianne Palicki as Wonder Woman. There has to be a standard.[/QUOTE]
Palicki looks like the Diana you claim to want though.
[QUOTE=BiteTheBullet;6394369]I would love to see a poll of the percentage of people who think the video game Diana is ' beautiful." Or even a poll who people think is hotter based on the Suicide Squad videogame, Diana or Harley Quinn?
But you know, let's get the 'model' who is the face for the Wonder Woman character in the game and cast her as the new live action Wonder Woman. I mean, that is basically what some are saying should happen. It's probably a good thing that her comic book sales are in the low 30,000 to 20,000 range versus the amount of people that know her through TV or the movies. To say that people expect a certain 'look' for her in media besides comics is a certainty for me.[/QUOTE]
Hate to break it to you, but Harley is always winning a hotness poll against Diana among the general public. Being the Hot Topic Hotty/femme fatale is one of her big selling points.
Also, why the insecurity in asking for a poll? Can't people just find this Diana beautiful even if people disagree with them? It's not like this is the only video game depiction of her you're going to get, the teaser video for her solo game shows her looking different.
[QUOTE=Koriand'r;6394443]Wait a minute, no one said that. Not even close, and let the record show I never said Diana needed pale skin for accuracy. It's a lack of blue eyes that's the deal breaker to me. Ororo Munroe has blue eyes and for my money she's far more beautiful than Diana of Themyscira.[/QUOTE]
Well she has blue eyes in the video game.
And you provided examples of Greek models with paler skin to adhere to the general iconic look, so why shouldn't people come away with the impression that you need that for accuracy?
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[QUOTE=Garrac;6394468]Also, I'm noticing this run really had good ideas... but the art is really on a looooooooooooooooooooow moment.[/QUOTE]
Totally agree. I thought the Giganta story was really fun but the art was not my cup of tea in the slightest. I can't [I]stand[/I] how the artist depicted Giganta as a super thin woman.
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[QUOTE=Nyssane;6394641]Totally agree. I thought the Giganta story was really fun but the art was not my cup of tea in the slightest. I can't [I]stand[/I] how the artist depicted Giganta as a super thin woman.[/QUOTE]
Its like:
Willow Wilson: Here, Im going to be the first writer since Simone that will get to get deep on Giganta's lore and characterization as a troubled woman that just wants to survive on a capitalist world
Gary Nord: Here, um, fellas, I, uff, Im goin throu the worst moment in my whole career, I dunno, take this panels where Giganta is suposed to be giant but from such a weird perspective that she just seems 3 meters tall, and um, uf, bah *leaves*
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[QUOTE=AlexLyo;6394427]Ok, I am trying to wade through this discussion to understand what I'm hearing, because it feels like loads of projection and conflation is going on to complicate it. Bear with me while I try to check my understanding.
For some, I'm hearing that there's a preference for Diana to be depicted physically with characteristics that are consistent with how they believe she has been depicted the majority of the time in the past - pale skin, dark hair, blue eyes etc.
For some, difference from these characteristics is no big deal.
For some, difference from depicting her with (some, or all of) these characteristics is preferable.
For some this is particularly the case if the shifts adhere to personal preferences or understandings of what would "fit" for Diana based on things like the cultures her story draws from (e.g. Ancient Greece) or what she does with her time (e.g. physical activity). This is where I'm hearing some of the interest in her having a darker skin tone, or dark eyes, or where ideas about her facial features and physique come in. Some may also feel that these depictions are helpful contributions to a wider discussion of representation of women in media. And for some, all of these physical aspects that differ from the "white skin, blue eyes" depiction also have precedent in comics and other media that have depicted her in these ways before, so aren't felt to be particularly controversial depictions of Diana anyway.
Where I'm hearing conflation happening, is where any of these preferences are being argued to be "more" or "less beautiful" than others, or even just "better", beyond the realms of personal opinion. I'm hearing where drawing on an imaginary "majority" to reinforce a personal view as true might start to come in, which feels like dangerous territory. Even if 99 of 100 people believe something, it doesn't make it "objectively true", it's a widely held belief.
This conflation of personal preference with what's objectively or even agreeably beautiful gets more complicated when the notion of Diana being "as beautiful as Aphrodite" comes in, because it seems to add a layer of imperative that somehow there *is* an objective beauty, and Diana should adhere to it. (Sidenote: it's interesting how often this line continues to be interpreted as referring to Diana's physical form and not her beauty as a person in other ways, but I digress).
Where I think I'm hearing projection, is where assumptions (I think) are being made about why people have the preferences they have, what they think about other things, what it indicates about their politics, and how authentic those politics or beliefs are.
I have deliberately not name checked or quoted here, because I am curious to see what of the above is resonating with people, and also what I am overlooking or missing about where people stand. I ask because there's some heat and flippancy seeping into this conversation that I don't think is necessary if there's effort to get clear about what we're up to.
Am I hearing things deeply enough here? Or missing things entirely?[/QUOTE]
You're pretty much spot on.
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[QUOTE=Koriand'r;6394443]Wait a minute, no one said that. Not even close, and let the record show I never said Diana needed pale skin for accuracy. It's a lack of blue eyes that's the deal breaker to me. Ororo Munroe has blue eyes and for my money she's far more beautiful than Diana of Themyscira.[/QUOTE]
Sure, but it just seems odd that this stuff usually happens when she's depicted this way. She frankly is rather attractive given the situation; she's on a battlefield, stressed out, virtually surrounded on all fronts, lost her teammates, is now dealing with Waller and her sh*t + murder clown and sidekicks, like she isn't going look like an obviously edited and filtered Cover girl photo. It's not the end of the world for me if Diana has brown, blue, or grey eyes, a ton of other characters played by IRL actors have slightly off looking depictions, so what? I know I complain about powerlevels a lot and stuff, but at least how powerful she is affects the story, when was the last time Diana's eye color did that?
Like you did complain that she looks constipated.... idk, maybe she's stressed the F out cause her entire team has been brain washed and even with her lasso it's a struggle to free them?
I would bet money that it's not the face at all and if she had her rebirth battleskirt costume, none would complain about it.
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[QUOTE=SiegePerilous02;6394615]Palicki looks like the Diana you claim to want though.[/QUOTE] No. No she doesn't.
[QUOTE=Koriand'r;6388291]I posted Nicola Scott's retrospective to show if you follow the basic rules concerning her coloring you can alter the features and she's still Wonder Woman. [B]Conversly you can follow all the rules and still get an unattractive version[/B], like Alex Ross did yet she looks cold and unapproachable.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=SiegePerilous02;6394615]Well she has blue eyes in the video game.
And you provided examples of Greek models with paler skin to adhere to the general iconic look, so why shouldn't people come away with the impression that you need that for accuracy?[/QUOTE] Because I speak plain didn't say that. The models were posted because you all seemed to think Greek women only looked one way when that's not the case and if the woman in the video game has blue eyes I can't tell.
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[QUOTE=Koriand'r;6394769]No. No she doesn't.
Because I speak plain didn't say that. The models were posted because you all seemed to think Greek women only looked one way when that's not the case and if the woman in the video game has blue eyes I can't tell.[/QUOTE]
How does Palicki not look like how you describe? What are these arbitrary rules you are making up?
You need to look closer at the gifs in this thread, because the woman in the game has blue eyes. Greek women don't all look one way, but some fans liking some experimental design with having her look like other types of Greek female beauty prompted tangents on "virtue signaling". As if this one design is going to erase the pale skin depictions.
What hill are you trying to die on here?
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[QUOTE=SiegePerilous02;6394793]How does Palicki not look like how you describe? What are these arbitrary rules you are making up?
You need to look closer at the gifs in this thread, because the woman in the game has blue eyes. Greek women don't all look one way, but some fans liking some experimental design with having her look like other types of Greek female beauty prompted tangents on "virtue signaling". As if this one design is going to erase the pale skin depictions.
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Adrianne Palicki has had every color hair but the only time it looked fake was when she played Wonder Woman. It takes more than a dye job and a push-up bra.
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Also you said a lot when you said "experimental design" I don't want "experiments" I want authenticity.
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[QUOTE=Koriand'r;6394807]Adrianne Palicki has had every color hair but the only time it looked fake was when she played Wonder Woman. It takes more than a dye job and a push-up bra.
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Also you said a lot when you said "experimental design" I don't want "experiments" I want authenticity.[/QUOTE]
I don't like that Tiara. The belt is hideous, lol! Those blue pants sort of remind me of the Kathy Lee pants(suit), if I am remembering correctly.
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[QUOTE=Agent Z;6394670]You're pretty much spot on.[/QUOTE]
Thank you. Though I'm not sure the attempt at clarity was worth it...
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[QUOTE=Phoenixx9;6394834]I don't like that Tiara. The belt is hideous, lol! Those blue pants sort of remind me of the Kathy Lee pants(suit), if I am remembering correctly.[/QUOTE]
It's just bad all the way around. They didn't even try for comics accuracy.
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[QUOTE=AlexLyo;6394843]Thank you. Though I'm not sure the attempt at clarity was worth it...[/QUOTE]
I appreciated it, besids the pale skin you got me right with the second paragraph.
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[QUOTE=Koriand'r;6394807]Adrianne Palicki has had every color hair but the only time it looked fake was when she played Wonder Woman. It takes more than a dye job and a push-up bra.[/QUOTE]
So that proves superficial adherences to a typical expected design don't matter much either way when the execution overall sucks. Meanwhile, a brown eyed actress like Gadot has been embraced by general audiences far more than Palicki was. And video game nerds don't give a crap either way as long as the game is good.
[QUOTE=Koriand'r;6394807]Also you said a lot when you said "experimental design" I don't want "experiments" I want authenticity.[/QUOTE]
Authenticity for what? Fictional cartoon characters who have been drawn and animated in very different ways over the decades? There are multiple ways to authentically portray a woman of Greek origins (be they olive skinned or pale skinned), so the video games fits the bill.
If you have conviction on the authenticity and "purist" front, you should only accept Wonder Woman looking like a pin-up model from the 1940s. Or using an avatar of Kory that has pupils. Also, no single fan for any superhero character is in any way an authority on what is "authentic" for these characters
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[QUOTE=SiegePerilous02;6394876]So that proves superficial adherences to a typical expected design don't matter much either way when the execution overall sucks. Meanwhile, a brown eyed actress like Gadot has been embraced by general audiences far more than Palicki was. And video game nerds don't give a crap either way as long as the game is good.
Authenticity for what? Fictional cartoon characters who have been drawn and animated in very different ways over the decades? There are multiple ways to authentically portray a woman of Greek origins (be they olive skinned or pale skinned), so the video games fits the bill.
If you have conviction on the authenticity and "purist" front, you should only accept Wonder Woman looking like a pin-up model from the 1940s. Or using an avatar of Kory that has pupils. Also, no single fan for any superhero character is in any way an authority on what is "authentic" for these characters[/QUOTE]
Who are you to tell me what I should accept or what is "authentic" to me?
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[QUOTE=SiegePerilous02;6394876]
Also, no single fan for any superhero character is in any way an authority on what is "authentic" for these characters[/QUOTE]
I love ignoring the gatekeepers and the self-proclaimed authorities on fictional characters. At the end of the day, they don't matter, since DC and WBD will continue creating content that will most likely speak to all segments of the fandom: we will continue getting the blue-eyed, white skinned, supermodel Barbie that so many people like, and we will also get the olive skinned, brown-eyed, "ugly hag" ( :D j/k) that so many other people love, we will get the violent, hack-happy Snyder-fantasy WW that so many people love and we will also get the peace-loving, compassionate Diana that Marston created and so many people love as well. It is all good.
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[QUOTE=HestiasHearth;6395109]I love ignoring the gatekeepers and the self-proclaimed authorities on fictional characters. At the end of the day, they don't matter, since DC and WBD will continue creating content that will most likely speak to all segments of the fandom: we will continue getting the blue-eyed, white skinned, supermodel Barbie that so many people like, and we will also get the olive skinned, brown-eyed, "ugly hag" ( :D j/k) that so many other people love, we will get the violent, hack-happy Snyder-fantasy WW that so many people love and we will also get the peace-loving, compassionate Diana that Marston created and so many people love as well. It is all good.[/QUOTE]
Is this not Wonder Woman?
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That's how she looked on lunch boxes, t-shirts and collector's glasses from Taco Bell when I was a kid.
This was the first record I ever owned, and I still have it.
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Why is it okay for Superman and Batman to more or less still look the same way, but Wonder Woman can't because that's gatekeeping?
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This is the first Wonder Woman comic I owned.
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Over the years we've gotten away from the patriotism that makes people uncomfortable in the global world we live in now. I get it, so I eventually became okay with the removal of overt signs of Americanna from her iconography and the addition of an accent to let casual listners know she's in no way American. Apparently now that's not enough, now I have to accept depictions of her looking decidedly foreign or be seen as an old fashioned, phoney authority, that's borderline racist. That I won't go for.
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[QUOTE=Koriand'r;6394977]Who are you to tell me what I should accept or what is "authentic" to me?[/QUOTE]
No one is but using "authenticity" implies some sort of measurable standard that everyone can agree on. What's the line? Were 70s depictions not authentic because she didn't look like a 1940s pinup model? Was Perez not authentic because he gave her an 80s perm? Is modern WW not authentic because she wears an armored skirted look over the swimsuit (which only also goes back to the 70s)
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[QUOTE=Koriand'r;6395257]Is this not Wonder Woman?
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That's how she looked on lunch boxes, t-shirts and collector's glasses from Taco Bell when I was a kid.
This was the first record I ever owned, and I still have it.
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Why is it okay for Superman and Batman to more or less still look the same way, but Wonder Woman can't because that's gatekeeping?[/QUOTE]
Because Batman in particular has not really looked the same throughout his career. Especially in live action, where we didn't get someone who actually looked like the comic Bruce until Affleck, then they immediately followed it up with pale, sleep deprived Pattinson. He's still the biggest IP DC has despite that. So some occasional deviations in Diana are not going to break anything.
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[QUOTE=Koriand'r;6394977]Who are you to tell me what I should accept or what is "authentic" to me?[/QUOTE]
You opened yourself up for it by using the word "authentic" in the first place, while also saying anyone who even kinda likes "constipated" Diana was lowering their standards of beauty.
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[URL="https://twitter.com/travismercer15/status/1632834468850569216?s=46&t=tcqjHDbt487sLx_4UoiJsQ"]Travis Mercer is working on something WW[/URL]
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[QUOTE=Vordan;6395676][URL="https://twitter.com/travismercer15/status/1632834468850569216?s=46&t=tcqjHDbt487sLx_4UoiJsQ"]Travis Mercer is working on something WW[/URL][/QUOTE]
I'm not familiar with him. What has he done?
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[QUOTE=Agent Z;6395692]I'm not familiar with him. What has he done?[/QUOTE]
Not much. He’s new to DC I think.
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[QUOTE=Koriand'r;6395263]This is the first Wonder Woman comic I owned.
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Over the years we've gotten away from the patriotism that makes people uncomfortable in the global world we live in now. I get it, so I eventually became okay with the removal of overt signs of Americanna from her iconography and the addition of an accent to let casual listners know she's in no way American. Apparently now that's not enough, now I have to accept depictions of her looking decidedly foreign or be seen as an old fashioned, phoney authority, that's borderline racist. That I won't go for.[/QUOTE]
It breaks my heart that fans of Wonder Woman--a character whose express purpose is to help end things like xenophobia and sexist beauty standards and racism, etc.--could hold these sorts of perspectives and deny/not see the irony/hypocrisy/contradiction.
Have mercy. :(
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[QUOTE=HestiasHearth;6395109]we will continue getting the blue-eyed, white skinned, supermodel Barbie that so many people like, and we will also get the olive skinned, brown-eyed,[/QUOTE]
I don't understand why they changed her pigmentation recently. If they tried to make her look more native to the Amazons it shouldn't matter because most people shouldn't look like they are from there with how all Amazonian women emerge from a pot and as a random ethnicity. Her classic look, being pale with blue eyes, may not be what native people would've looked like but it doesn't matter because its multiracial so she doesn't need to look like what a native would. Especially, when that standard is not held to any of the other women.
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[QUOTE=Agent Z;6395692]I'm not familiar with him. What has he done?[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Vordan;6395736]Not much. He’s new to DC I think.[/QUOTE]
He's done mostly variant cover work at DC up until now I think.
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[QUOTE=HotBoy;6395752]It breaks my heart that fans of Wonder Woman--a character whose express purpose is to help end things like xenophobia and sexist beauty standards and racism, etc.--could hold these sorts of perspectives and deny/not see the irony/hypocrisy/contradiction.
Have mercy. :([/QUOTE]
If I were a xenophobe you may have a point, it's not other countries I don't like, it's a lot of change.
At some point it has to stop or you have a different character.
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[QUOTE=Koriand'r;6395940]If I were a xenophobe you may have a point, it's not other countries I don't like, it's a lot of change.
At some point it has to stop or you have a different character.[/QUOTE]
We are not saying change every single thing about Diana. The people who are fine with or prefer her with olive skin or brown (or grey) eyes aren't calling for the lasso, her Amazon origins, powers, etc to be removed.
