Wonder Woman - General Discussion

[QUOTE=Sebastianne;6414428]I really hope they never give Diana a child, first because she doesn't have to follow the pattern of the other members of the trinity and second because I'm fine with her not having children and somehow representing all those people who don't have children. and live a full life without them.[/QUOTE]

I get this sentiment, but (a) mother-daughter relationships are so central to the character and (b) she's immortal. It'd feel right for her journey to eventually lead there, though as others have said I think it'd need to be a child sculpted out of clay rather than one she had with a man. For all of my issues with Earth One, I loved what Morrison did there - she creates a daughter thousands of years in the future, after the world is shaped to her vision.

That said, I'd really only want that in an Elseworlds/future state situation. I see it as an "as her first mission concludes" thing, which inherently can't happen in continuity. Besides, writers have a hard enough time figuring out what to do with her and her adult supporting cast...

I wish Rucka could've made his BL book about Diana's daughter work, would've been interesting to see.

I wouldn't mind seeing it explored in an Elseworlds or "possible future" story. But not in current continuity...especially if it's only because Superman and Batman have kids now.

Personally--and others might disagree on this--I don't think Diana's currently at a place where a daughter (or son or both) is the direction to take her. Because her status quo is in constant flux with supporting cast coming and going, with so much unstable, I feel like adding a daughter would just be one more thing thrown at the wall that either gets lost in the shuffle or would engulf everything to the detriment of everything else. Wonder Woman is barely a mentor to any Wonder Girl right now. Is motherhood really what she needs as a character?

I’m all about bringing Lyta Trevor back into the Wonder world - similarly to how it’s happening with Helena Wayne in the JSA/Golden Age title. A good character who deserves to exist as part of the fun. (And I don’t really care about her usage in Sandman affecting her usage in the DCU.)

I hated it when they made Diana a twin with Jason (he’s banished from existence in my head canon), but I’ve often thought about Diana having twins and what that’d be like.

Lots to consider with a storyline of the preeminent superheroine having a pregnancy, in-universe and out-of-universe. It’d be intriguing if they did it in real-time over nine monthly issues.

I wonder what it would mean to the Themysciran Amazons? (I mean, the only times we know this has happened [depending on the origin] is with Hippolyta and Myrina Black - yeah I’m not going to count Azz’s pirate Amazons.)

I wonder what it would mean for the Olympians? Diana’s villains? The Justice League?

I can think of lots of interesting possibilities.

[QUOTE=Sebastianne;6414428]I really hope they never give Diana a child, first because she doesn't have to follow the pattern of the other members of the trinity and second because I'm fine with her not having children and somehow representing all those people who don't have children. and live a full life without them.[/QUOTE]

True enough, my friend.

[QUOTE=Agent Z;6414482]Plus we already have Wonder Twins.[/QUOTE]

Hahaha, I was thinking the same thing. Wonder Twins already in use.

Whatever happened to Superwoman's baby? Is there still a Damnation Island where it could grow up? If not, would Diana take it to her home and raise it or leave it there for someone to raise as an Amazon?

Preview for next [I]Dark Knights of Steel[/I] features Diana in typical Tom Taylor fashion: belligerent, angry, intolerant, and needs everyone else to calm her down. She just needs get murdered with a single blow and we got a BINGO.

[QUOTE=Guy_McNichts;6416098]Preview for next [I]Dark Knights of Steel[/I] features Diana in typical Tom Taylor fashion: belligerent, angry, intolerant, and needs everyone else to calm her down. She just needs get murdered with a single blow and we got a BINGO.[/QUOTE]

That still hasn’t finished?

It’s been like a year and half.

[QUOTE=Guy_McNichts;6416098]Preview for next [I]Dark Knights of Steel[/I] features Diana in typical Tom Taylor fashion: belligerent, angry, intolerant, and needs everyone else to calm her down. She just needs get murdered with a single blow and we got a BINGO.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=Guy_McNichts;6416098]Preview for next [I]Dark Knights of Steel[/I] features Diana in typical Tom Taylor fashion: belligerent, angry, intolerant, and needs everyone else to calm her down. She just needs get murdered with a single blow and we got a BINGO.[/QUOTE]

"Hey, Angry Amazon Lady" summs up Taylor's entire approach to the character.

[QUOTE=Gaius;6416135]That still hasn’t finished?

It’s been like a year and half.[/QUOTE]
I think there were delays because of the art. Kind of a waste, because the art is pretty good.


[QUOTE=Zagre;6416161]"Hey, Angry Amazon Lady" summs up Taylor's entire approach to the character.[/QUOTE]
The fact he has Batman tell her "Not everyone different is a monster" is what really gets me.

Taylor's Wonder Woman needs to be told not to be racist. Cool.

[QUOTE=Guy_McNichts;6416173]I think there were delays because of the art. Kind of a waste, because the art is pretty good.



The fact he has Batman tell her "Not everyone different is a monster" is what really gets me.

Taylor's Wonder Woman needs to be told not to be racist. Cool.[/QUOTE]

Bizarre. And it's Clark who has the idea to use the lasso because of course.

Tom Taylor should be banned from writing her.

[QUOTE=Guy_McNichts;6416173]I think there were delays because of the art. Kind of a waste, because the art is pretty good.
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I mean at least Historia's wonky schedule still produced a good book. And better art.

But yeah, I stopped following it pretty quickly and unfortunately only am reminded of it when people post lousy scenes from it like that one where Harley and Ivy job out Wonder Woman.

The twisted funny is Taylor will most likely get praise for his depiction of Diana here solely because she's in an explicit romantic relationship with a woman Zala (the not-Kara Supergirl)

Well, I guess if I'm going to play devil's advocate (don't kill me) emotions are running high because Hippolyta just died (I think).

[QUOTE=Frontier;6416451]Well, I guess if I'm going to play devil's advocate (don't kill me) emotions are running high because Hippolyta just died (I think).[/QUOTE]

You don’t understand, Taylor’s stuck writing in a pre-existing universe that was created by Tom Taylor. He has to honor Taylor’s original vision and I’m sure he’d write her differently if he got to create his own universe. /s


In all seriousness, I appreciate Taylor reminding everyone he’s still the worse “Tom” whose written Diana.

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[QUOTE=LordUltimus;6421364][video=youtube_share;008zhe1c-A0]https://youtu.be/008zhe1c-A0[/video][/QUOTE]
Looks really cute :).

Huh here's something, what do you think of the idea of Wonder Woman's cuffs being a power limiter for her and removing them activates a super mode?

[url]https://www.reddit.com/r/DCcomics/comments/126z8q0/comic_excerpt_wowo_2011_whoa_they_should_bring/[/url]

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Honestly, not a fan. I'm okay with Diana having some kind of god-mode, but I'd rather it not be related to her bracelets being on or off. I think the notion that a woman's power is something that must be contained and bound is sketchy territory, even if it does originate from Marston to some extent.

I also don't care for that particular context because it's clear her super-mode here is owed entirely to Zeus being her father. To me, that scene strikes me as Diana achieving a greater power by shedding her iconography (the bracelets) and embracing who her dad is. Hard pass on that.

[QUOTE=Guy_McNichts;6421942]Honestly, not a fan. I'm okay with Diana having some kind of god-mode, but I'd rather it not be related to her bracelets being on or off. I think [B]the notion that a woman's power is something that must be contained and bound is sketchy territory, even if it does originate from Marston to some extent.[/B]

I also don't care for that particular context because it's clear her super-mode here is owed entirely to Zeus being her father. To me, that scene strikes me as Diana achieving a greater power by shedding her iconography (the bracelets) and embracing who her dad is. Hard pass on that.[/QUOTE]

Huh I didn't think of it like that, thats an interesting viewpoint.

I thought of it more like those famous weighted clothing moments like Dragon Ball and Nartuo.

Ya know when the guy just casually reveals they've been wearing weights on their bodies the whole time and once they take them off they instantly get way stronger.

[video=youtube;Ev24dNdzyN4]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ev24dNdzyN4[/video]

My concept for Wonder Woman is that she has a amazon training powered base form and when it's necessary to fight a Superman/Flash/Martin Manhunter level opponent she can enter a god mode to access the power gifted to her by the amazons patron goddesses at her clay birth.It's not tied to her bracelets(as I feel that would add complications),she learned to enter this state during her first adventure in the outside world and can even activate automatically in response to danger,like a speedster trying to pull a fast one on her

I feel that is the best way to keep the contest,her position as the best of the amazons,the relevance of the invisible jet and bracelets as part of her arsenal and at the same time allow her to be as powerful as we want her to be

[QUOTE=Mantis-Ray;6421954]Huh I didn't think of it like that, thats an interesting viewpoint.

I thought of it more like those famous weighted clothing moments like Dragon Ball and Nartuo.

Ya know when the guy just casually reveals they've been wearing weights on their bodies the whole time and once they take them off they instantly get way stronger.

[video=youtube;Ev24dNdzyN4]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ev24dNdzyN4[/video][/QUOTE]
Yeah, I don’t imagine most are connecting it to Marston when they think of it since it is a concept used elsewhere and it’s one of the lesser remembered aspects of Marston’s run, in comparison to stuff like “loses powers when bound by a man”.

I enjoyed her “Witch Mode” from JLD but I’m always kind of iffy on giving “super-modes” for characters like Superman or Wonder Woman since it opens up questions like “why don’t you use it all the time?”.

[QUOTE=Guy_McNichts;6416098]Preview for next [I]Dark Knights of Steel[/I] features Diana in typical Tom Taylor fashion: belligerent, angry, intolerant, and needs everyone else to calm her down.[/QUOTE]

So basically her every appearance since [I]Countdown to Infinite Crisis[/I]? lol XD

[QUOTE=Jane St. Valentine;6423007]So basically her every appearance since [I]Countdown to Infinite Crisis[/I]? lol XD[/QUOTE]

Not really. She acted nothing anywhere close to this after countdown.

[QUOTE=Gaius;6422054]Yeah, I don’t imagine most are connecting it to Marston when they think of it since it is a concept used elsewhere and it’s one of the lesser remembered aspects of Marston’s run, in comparison to stuff like “loses powers when bound by a man”.

I enjoyed her “Witch Mode” from JLD but I’m always kind of iffy on giving “super-modes” for characters like Superman or Wonder Woman since it opens up questions like “why don’t you use it all the time?”.[/QUOTE]

Yeah at least with Superman the go to is having him supercharge himself by flying near the son which has the risk of taking a while so its not something he can just spam.

But if its something you can activate on the fly that is trickier. Similar to issues like Flash resolving stuff with "more Speed Force".

Remember Princess Mei, the original Chinese Wonder Woman?

[url]https://www.reddit.com/r/WonderWoman/comments/12gj1ka/princess_mei_a_chinese_wonder_woman_and_shes_a/[/url]

[QUOTE=Gaius;6422054]Yeah, I don’t imagine most are connecting it to Marston when they think of it since it is a concept used elsewhere and it’s one of the lesser remembered aspects of Marston’s run, in comparison to stuff like “loses powers when bound by a man”.

I enjoyed her “Witch Mode” from JLD but I’m always kind of iffy on giving “super-modes” for characters like Superman or Wonder Woman since it opens up questions like “why don’t you use it all the time?”.[/QUOTE]

I'm not advocating for a super mode per say, but the answer of "why don't you use it all the time" is a matter of matching force with appropriate force. Same reason officers ideally should only use a gun instead of a taser or pepper spray when the situation calls for it.

If Diana ever gets a second title, I'd like it to be in the same vein as Waid's World's Finest and Teen Titans. It would be a perfect way to reintroduce some of her old villains and integrate Donna into her past adventures.

Is Wonder Woman Historia suppose to be in-canon?

[QUOTE=Pinsir;6437857]Is Wonder Woman Historia suppose to be in-canon?[/QUOTE]

Not currently, no. It’s good enough that I would like to see it canonized as the origin of the Amazons.

Diana punches out Zeus and renounces her gods. Wonder Woman Volume 3, Issue #3.

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[QUOTE=Agent Z;6437988]Diana punches out Zeus and renounces her gods. Wonder Woman Volume 3, Issue #3.


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Huh I kinda like this outfit for Zeus. At least its more interesting than the toga look.

Also whoa is that He-Man next to him in the last panel? :p

[QUOTE=Agent Z;6437988]Diana punches out Zeus and renounces her gods. Wonder Woman Volume 3, Issue #3.

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This is what I would expect from Lazarus Gods event. Not what we're currently getting

[QUOTE=Mantis-Ray;6438131][B]Huh I kinda like this outfit for Zeus[/B]. At least its more interesting than the toga look.
:p[/QUOTE]

I can't believe I just read that!

[QUOTE=Primal Slayer;6438264]This is what I would expect from Lazarus Gods event. Not what we're currently getting[/QUOTE]


That's Achilles Warkiller. He's a creation of Zeus's using the heart of the Hawai'in god Kane Milohai and the soul of the original Achilles.

[QUOTE=Pinsir;6437857]Is Wonder Woman Historia suppose to be in-canon?[/QUOTE]

No.

It's actually good, so it doesn't really fit with the rest of DC continuity atm.

[QUOTE=Agent Z;6438457]That's Achilles Warkiller. He's a creation of Zeus's using the heart of the Hawai'in god Kane Milohai and the soul of the original Achilles.[/QUOTE]

.......yes?

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