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[QUOTE=Gaius;5476126]Yeah, low bar but JLD has a better track record atm than Justice League (post-Crisis at least) has with WW. :p[/QUOTE]
Yeah. Oh man, wasn't there that one storyline in JL 2016 about her son from the future and his "dad" was darkness incarnate and Hippolyta was a villain or something?
Whyyyyyyyyy.
[QUOTE=I'm a Fish;5476199]Yeah. Oh man, wasn't there that one storyline in JL 2016 about her son from the future and his "dad" was darkness incarnate and Hippolyta was a villain or something?
Whyyyyyyyyy.[/QUOTE]
Sounds like the writer ripped-off Claremont's idea of the Phoenix Force being Rachel Grey's "father".
[QUOTE=Psy-lock;5476219]Sounds like the writer ripped-off Claremont's idea of the Phoenix Force being Rachel Grey's "father".[/QUOTE]
I wouldn't even be surprised, since the [I]Dark Phoenix Saga[/I] is Marvel's most ripped-off story and everything adjacent to it is up for grabs.
[QUOTE=I'm a Fish;5476199]Yeah. Oh man, wasn't there that one storyline in JL 2016 about her son from the future and his "dad" was darkness incarnate and Hippolyta was a villain or something?
Whyyyyyyyyy.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, book's made more interested in Diana interacting with Zee and Swamp Thing over Bruce and Clark atm.
[QUOTE=Gaius;5367057][URL="https://www.comicsbeat.com/wonder-woman-80th-anniversary-funko-fair-reveals/"]Funko's announced a line of Wonder Woman figures for her 80th anniversary.[/URL]
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And [I]Red Son[/I] and [I]Blackest Night[/I] join the roster now.
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[I]Red Son[/I] I think is the only time I’ve loved Elseworld redesigns for all three of the Trinity. Supes, Bats, and Diana all looked great design wise.
[QUOTE=Vordan;5499220][I]Red Son[/I] I think is the only time I’ve loved Elseworld redesigns for all three of the Trinity. Supes, Bats, and Diana all looked great design wise.[/QUOTE]
GL had the best though. :p
I kind of preferred the white/gold design from the animated film. She was also, mostly, better characterized there.
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[QUOTE=Gaius;5499856]GL had the best though. :p
I kind of preferred the white/gold design from the animated film. She was also, mostly, better characterized there.
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Nothing gets past you, Supes. :p
[QUOTE=Gaius;5499856]GL had the best though. :p
I kind of preferred the white/gold design from the animated film. She was also, mostly, better characterized there.
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The way she caught his punch be like *Chef's kiss*
If only she wasn't a stereotyped "feminazi"/"all men be bad" type. At least she didn't flaunt over Superman and wasn't tossed away like in the book.
Diana with white hair works.
[QUOTE=masterwitcher88;5501450]The way she caught his punch be like *Chef's kiss*
If only she wasn't a stereotyped "feminazi"/"all men be bad" type. At least she didn't flaunt over Superman and wasn't tossed away like in the book.[/QUOTE]
On that aspect, I agree. I could have done without the "men suck" comments but I liked it was shown she was the only one interested in trying to get the Americans and Soviets to end the Cold War.
Tossing out one-sided crushes on a Supes/Bats is also, always, a good thing.
So someone on reddit did a deep fake of Jennifer Connelly as Wonder Woman:
[url]https://www.reddit.com/r/WonderWoman/comments/muz8ro/i_deepfaked_a_young_jennifer_connelly_as_wonder/?utm_source=amp&utm_medium=[/url]
Looks very similar to Jenny Frisson's WW:
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(Not the superhero I had in mind for Jennifer Connelly but it's still cool nonetheless.)
Am I correct in thinking that the lasso's ability to compel factual "truth" from someone is and has always been limited to the individual's own subjective knowledge and feelings? Aside from maybe resisting mind-control. Someone could say something factually false that they [I]believe[/I] to be true, correct?
And have there been any stories where the Lasso's ability to discern truth was explored?
[QUOTE=Lightning Rider;5502780]Am I correct in thinking that the lasso's ability to compel factual "truth" from someone is and has always been limited to the individual's own subjective knowledge and feelings? Aside from maybe resisting mind-control. Someone could say something factually false that they [I]believe[/I] to be true, correct?
And have there been any stories where the Lasso's ability to discern truth was explored?[/QUOTE]
Yes and no? I think there has been stories where if the subject 100% believe it's true than it can be a work around. (can't remember any of the top of my head)
But the lasso is also omniscient and it can be used to show someone the truth, even if that isn't what they feel to be true. Rebirth started off with Diana using the lasso on herself to realize [U]someone else[/U] was lying to her. So it doesn't just make people tell the truth, but show's it to them as well, whether they witnessed the events or not.
Really, it just depends on the story. But I think the second one is much more common among the two, since I can't remember and example of the first one off the top of my head.
And then there's Cheetah who's flat out immune to the lasso, because reasons.
Edit: Someone correct me if I'm wrong but didn't Gail Simone's run go into detail with the lasso at times? I think the early part of Perez's run did as well, with Ares especially.
[QUOTE=Lightning Rider;5502780]Am I correct in thinking that the lasso's ability to compel factual "truth" from someone is and has always been limited to the individual's own subjective knowledge and feelings? Aside from maybe resisting mind-control. Someone could say something factually false that they [I]believe[/I] to be true, correct?
And have there been any stories where the Lasso's ability to discern truth was explored?[/QUOTE]
Someone will remember this better than I do, but there is a storyline in JLA called Golden Perfect which kind of examines this, and the consequences for Diana when she's in a situation that appears to have multiple truths. I won't spoil it, because I remember it being quite a nice concept to explore, and someone else may have a better memory of the particulars.
[QUOTE=Lightning Rider;5502780]Am I correct in thinking that the lasso's ability to compel factual "truth" from someone is and has always been limited to the individual's own subjective knowledge and feelings? Aside from maybe resisting mind-control. Someone could say something factually false that they [I]believe[/I] to be true, correct?
And have there been any stories where the Lasso's ability to discern truth was explored?[/QUOTE]
For the most part, I believe the Lasso has been shown to be able to work around that. If someone was told something false but they thought was true the lasso would still have them revealed to be lied to. The Justice League story AlexLyo brought up also showed how the Lasso is kind of the conduit of the concept of truth, so when it gets broken reality begins to get warped by everyday lies people believe in.
[QUOTE=I'm a Fish;5502801]Yes and no? I think there has been stories where if the subject 100% believe it's true than it can be a work around. (can't remember any of the top of my head)
But the lasso is also omniscient and it can be used to show someone the truth, even if that isn't what they feel to be true. Rebirth started off with Diana using the lasso on herself to realize [U]someone else[/U] was lying to her. So it doesn't just make people tell the truth, but show's it to them as well, whether they witnessed the events or not.
Really, it just depends on the story. But I think the second one is much more common among the two, since I can't remember and example of the first one off the top of my head.
And then there's Cheetah who's flat out immune to the lasso, because reasons.
Edit: Someone correct me if I'm wrong but didn't Gail Simone's run go into detail with the lasso at times? I think the early part of Perez's run did as well, with Ares especially.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, Simone added the ability of the lasso to see into people's souls. Perez had it that it could force people to see the consequences of their actions which is how she beat Ares.
Thanks for the replies everyone. Golden Perfect sounds like a great story to check out. I do like the concept of the lasso being a conduit to truth, not just a lie detector test. It can reveal much beyond an individual's preexisting understanding.
I find it a little surreal how while the magic lasso lost the ability to command people like it had in pre crisis, writers in post crisis and the modern day would go on to keep giving it incredible powers left and right.
Healing, force field projection, demon banishment, creating fire, bringing people back from the dead, ghost busting......
Its certainly more varied than the golden age powers of 'can command people to do anything including tell the truth, absolutely unbreakable, can stretch to infinite length, and can mentally follow any command Diana may have'
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"Marry me, Princess!"
"Let me put the sun back in place, first!"
[QUOTE=John Venus;5504555]"Marry me, Princess!"
"Let me put the sun back in place, first!"[/QUOTE]
Steve has a problem with these things called 'priorities' XD
[QUOTE=Fuzzy Mittens;5504309]I find it a little surreal how while the magic lasso lost the ability to command people like it had in pre crisis, writers in post crisis and the modern day would go on to keep giving it incredible powers left and right.
Healing, force field projection, demon banishment, creating fire, bringing people back from the dead, ghost busting......
Its certainly more varied than the golden age powers of 'can command people to do anything including tell the truth, absolutely unbreakable, can stretch to infinite length, and can mentally follow any command Diana may have'
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That's a fantastic image.
[QUOTE=Fuzzy Mittens;5504309]I find it a little surreal how while the magic lasso lost the ability to command people like it had in pre crisis, writers in post crisis and the modern day would go on to keep giving it incredible powers left and right.
Healing, force field projection, demon banishment, creating fire, bringing people back from the dead, ghost busting......
Its certainly more varied than the golden age powers of 'can command people to do anything including tell the truth, absolutely unbreakable, can stretch to infinite length, and can mentally follow any command Diana may have'
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The lasso is one of the most powerful tools in comics. So powerful in fact, the writers sometimes have to hit Diana with the stupid stick and just have her not even think to use it. :p
(Like in DCeased when Diana didn't think once to use the lasso on the Zombies just to see what effect it would have. And lo and behold when Cyborg tried it on a zombified Diana she revealed the zombies are not only still intelligent but that there is a cure...but it was too late.)
[QUOTE=I'm a Fish;5505989]The lasso is one of the most powerful tools in comics. So powerful in fact, the writers sometimes have to hit Diana with the stupid stick and just have her not even think to use it. :p
(Like in DCeased when Diana didn't think once to use the lasso on the Zombies just to see what effect it would have. And lo and behold when Cyborg tried it on a zombified Diana she revealed the zombies are not only still intelligent but that there is a cure...but it was too late.)[/QUOTE]
Or in the DCAU where they took away all its powers until near the tail end of the series. :p
[QUOTE=Gaius;5506053]Or in the DCAU where they took away all its powers until near the tail end of the series. :p[/QUOTE]
DCAU's/Nu52 writers room. :p
Man...Avengers ripped into DC with this issue...
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[QUOTE=Fuzzy Mittens;5504309]I find it a little surreal how while the magic lasso lost the ability to command people like it had in pre crisis, writers in post crisis and the modern day would go on to keep giving it incredible powers left and right.
Healing, force field projection, demon banishment, creating fire, bringing people back from the dead, ghost busting......
Its certainly more varied than the golden age powers of 'can command people to do anything including tell the truth, absolutely unbreakable, can stretch to infinite length, and can mentally follow any command Diana may have'
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Back when Diana was that strong too, ugh I don't need her to move stars but come on she feels so much weaker now.
Edit: scratch that, F it, I want her to be a star buster. If other heroes get the "lift infinity" treatment Diana should too.
[QUOTE=masterwitcher88;5506656]Back when Diana was that strong too, ugh I don't need her to move stars but come on she feels so much weaker now.
Edit: scratch that, F it, I want her to be a star buster. If other heroes get the "lift infinity" treatment Diana should too.[/QUOTE]
She was literally punching The Batman Who Laughs through universes and timelines and killed him in a sun. :p
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[QUOTE=I'm a Fish;5506087]DCAU's/Nu52 writers room. :p
Man...Avengers ripped into DC with this issue...
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Lovely. Is that from the Hickman run? Is it his regular Avengers or is it New Avengers?
[QUOTE=Alpha;5506700]Lovely. Is that from the Hickman run? Is it his regular Avengers or is it New Avengers?[/QUOTE]
It was actually Jason Aaron. And regular Avengers.
[QUOTE=I'm a Fish;5506687]She was literally punching The Batman Who Laughs through universes and timelines and killed him in a sun. :p
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Yeah, that's a power amp not what she can normally do. I'm talking base Diana no power ups or enhancements.
On a different note, I don't hate Greg Capullo's artwork... wouldn't mind him as an artist at some point, granted [B]not[/B] with Scott Snyder writing.
[QUOTE=masterwitcher88;5506738]On a different note, I don't hate Greg Capullo's artwork... wouldn't mind him as an artist at some point, granted [B]not[/B] with Scott Snyder writing.[/QUOTE]
I think he's great on Batman but I can't say I've never been "wowed" when he does DC's other characters. Granted most everything he's done at DC is somehow Bat-related in some form or another. :p
Plus I think I'm the only person who hated Diana's blue highlights on her Death Metal design.
[QUOTE=masterwitcher88;5506734]Yeah, that's a power amp not what she can normally do. I'm talking base Diana no power ups or enhancements.[/QUOTE]
I don't think a character has ben able to do stuff like that naturally since the Silver Age.
Also, Marvel what's this...
[I]Marvel: Heroes Return #6[/I]
[quote] HEROES REBORN #6 will turn the spotlight on the fabled daughter of Utopia Isle known as Power Princess. She’s defeated the All-Gog, Gorr the God Butcher and the King in Black, but now she must venture into the ruins of Asgard, where something unexplained is stirring in the graveyard of the gods. [/quote]
...at this point how is this a coincidence? ( I know its probably a coincidence but still)
[QUOTE=masterwitcher88;5506738]On a different note, I don't hate Greg Capullo's artwork... wouldn't mind him as an artist at some point, granted [B]not[/B] with Scott Snyder writing.[/QUOTE]
I do like his art, as well.
[QUOTE=Gaius;5506740]I think he's great on Batman but I can't say I've never been "wowed" when he does DC's other characters. Granted most everything he's done at DC is somehow Bat-related in some form or another. :p
[B]Plus I think I'm the only person who hated Diana's blue highlights on her Death Metal design.[/B][/QUOTE]
No, I was right there with you.
[QUOTE=I'm a Fish;5506745]I don't think a character has ben able to do stuff like that naturally since the Silver Age.
Also, Marvel what's this...
[I]Marvel: Heroes Return #6[/I]
...at this point how is this a coincidence? ( I know its probably a coincidence but still)[/QUOTE]
No, DC powerhouses have done some stupid stuff since the start of Post-COIE even in Nu52, just not really Diana.
Also, with the Marvel thing, I'm about to watch Marvel bust out a Wondy Clone who has all the power Diana is suppose to have in DC. Gorr, All-Gog, and King in Black.... DC would never let Diana have a moment like that.
[QUOTE=masterwitcher88;5506801]No, DC powerhouses have done some stupid stuff since the start of Post-COIE even in Nu52, just not really Diana.
Also, with the Marvel thing, I'm about to watch Marvel bust out a Wondy Clone who has all the power Diana is suppose to have in DC. Gorr, All-Gog, and King in Black.... DC would never let Diana have a moment like that.[/QUOTE]
Power Princess is also evil...
Diana did stuff in Nu52 as well, she battled kryptonians and scared away a Doomsday Superman.
post-crisis pulled the Earth along with Sups and MM, blocked projectiles that were so fast they could travel across the universe in seconds. That's the stuff I'm remembering off the top of my head.
oh and she big banged the universe :p
(Edit: She took out Darksied in her own series, defeated Genocide who took out the JL, soloed Shaggy Man who is a JL level threat. Defeated the Phantom Stranger.
Pulled MM out of a black hole. Caught Jessie Quick while she was in the speed force. Offers to carry Themyscira in Hercules stead. Survives the pressure of a black hole.
I don't really see Power Princess killing KiB as more than any of those...)
[QUOTE=I'm a Fish;5506841]Power Princess is also evil...
Diana did stuff in Nu52 as well, she battled kryptonians and scared away a Doomsday Superman.
post-crisis pulled the Earth along with Sups and MM, blocked projectiles that were so fast they could travel across the universe in seconds. That's the stuff I'm remembering off the top of my head.
oh and she big banged the universe :p[/QUOTE]
New 52 WW didn't even take a nuke on her own. Was broken by a larve Doomsday, and she did not scare Doomsday Superman. She did not much against him. But hey, at least she faced better than when DD so easily broke her arms. WW hasn't felt like a proper powerhouse in a while. On the contrary, she feels pretty fragile these days.
[QUOTE=mystical41;5506854]New 52 WW didn't even take a nuke on her own. Was broken by a larve Doomsday, and she did not scare Doomsday Superman. She did not much against him. But hey, at least she faced better than when DD so easily broke her arms. WW hasn't felt like a proper powerhouse in a while. On the contrary, she feels pretty fragile these days.[/QUOTE]
Sups can't take a nuke on his own either without turning into a zombie.
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[QUOTE=I'm a Fish;5506866]Sups can't take a nuke on his own either without turning into a zombie.
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Sup took a nuke while weakened in new 52 along with WW. Who had to be protected with his cape.
She only stopped Doomsday Superman for a moment. Not much more than that. And even in the so called God Mode. She says she can't be in outter space for long. Being a God hasn't done much for WW these past years. She is hyped a lot, but the actual results show her more as just a super human than an actual God.