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[QUOTE=Psy-lock;5608638]Jimenez was better, but he was building off of Byrne's run. Without the mirror twin origin Donna would've remained a complete stranger to Diana, who looks very similar to her, has similar powers and is called Wonder Girl, but has nothing to do with Wonder Woman. I'm not the biggest fan of Byrne's run or of his version of Donna's origin, but this version is still much, much better than the mess that came before and after.[/QUOTE]
True, at least he tried.
And the 90s join the fray.
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From WB's Studio Tour.
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Nice!
Background looks like the Legion of Doom vs the Justice League too. :p
[QUOTE=Vordan;5586985][url]https://twitter.com/docshaner/status/1404625797772726278?s=21[/url]
[url]https://twitter.com/tomkingtk/status/1404452504549605382?s=21[/url]
Both King and Shaner reading/drawing WW? Pretty sure there’s a King WW project coming down the line. He’s already finished the script for Supergirl so he’s already working on his next projects, which he said would be much lighter in tone.[/QUOTE]
He mentioned a few weeks ago on the Word Balloon podcast that he had three DC projects in the pipeline, [URL="https://twitter.com/TomKingTK/status/1413605123381731328"]one has been revealed[/URL] so I guess there's still two chances at him doing a WW project.
Looks like WW will be the focus in the Justice League Infinity issue #4 in October.
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Writers: J.M. DEMATTEIS and JAMES TUCKER
Artist: ETHEN BEAVERS
Cover: JAMES STOKOE
$3.99 US | 32 pages | 4 of 7
After being whisked across the Multiverse, Wonder Woman finds herself trapped on a desolate and barren planet with the last person she’d ever expect to find: DARKSEID! What does the former ruler of Apokolips want with the Amazonian warrior? And what lurks in the shadows of this devastated world?
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[QUOTE=Gaius;5635311]Looks like WW will be the focus in the Justice League Infinity issue #4 in October.[/QUOTE]
sounds interesting. I know Darksied is like the "big bad" of the Justice League but whatever he's involved its usually about Diana's Gods not her so.... not holding my breath.
[QUOTE=masterwitcher88;5636086]sounds interesting. I know Darksied is like the "big bad" of the Justice League but whatever he's involved its usually about Diana's Gods not her so.... not holding my breath.[/QUOTE]
Outside of Hades, Hermes, and Ares I don't think any of the Olympians showed up in JL/JLU so I imagine it will just be on them. I read the first issue and I thought it was alright for what it is even if they had to include the obligatory eye-rolling Batman/WW scene but I have a bit more faith in DeMatties and Tucker on WW than I did the original DCAU crew.
[QUOTE=Gaius;5636100]Outside of Hades, Hermes, and Ares I don't think any of the Olympians showed up in JL/JLU so I imagine it will just be on them. I read the first issue and I thought it was alright for what it is even if they had to include the obligatory eye-rolling Batman/WW scene but I have a bit more faith in DeMatties and Tucker on WW than I did the original DCAU crew.[/QUOTE]
Hephaestus was in the episode Ares appeared in.
By Ejikure for [I]DC vs Vampires[/I]
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[QUOTE=I'm a Fish;5638810]By Ejikure for [I]DC vs Vampires[/I]
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The shield and that annoying clown make the cover awful.
Gotta give a thumbs down to Diana being in the same vicinity as Harley that doesn't involve Quinn behind bars. :p
With Wonder Woman's 80th on the way, I ran a few numbers.
The first instance of Diana flying in any capacity was in 1958 where she glided on air currents, and that remained a recurring ability until 1987 when outright flight became one of her powers in the Post Crisis reboot.
So, here's some math: Wonder Woman has been flying in some way, shape or form for 63 of her 80 years of existence. That's 78.75%
Now, if you want to be semantic and discount the air-gliding--personally, I wouldn't; it's still flying for all intents and purposes--then she's been flying for 34 years (42.5%)
So even if you don't count gliding on air, she's been flying for almost half of her existence. And if you do count it, nearly 80%.
To put it another way, unless you're over 63 years old, Wonder Woman has been defying gravity in some capacity since before you were born.
Just some numbers to throw around if/when someone ponders, "Since when can Wonder Woman fly?" And those numbers are only going to get bigger.
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Diana in 1958:
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[QUOTE=mystical41;5639197]The shield and that annoying clown make the cover awful.[/QUOTE]
Also the unnecessary cape .
[QUOTE=Zahina;5639926]Also the unnecessary cape .[/QUOTE]
I thought vampires were known for having capes? :p
[QUOTE=Gaius;5273141][URL="https://www.amazon.com/Wonder-Woman-Amazon-Warrior-Deluxe/dp/1779511574"]Amazon pre-order page for the 80 Years of Wonder Woman collection is up[/URL]. Doesn’t specify what issues yet beyond just listing Perez and Jimenez as contributors.[/QUOTE]
Gal Gadot, Lynda Carter, Patty Jenkins, and Trina Robbins will contributing to the essay sections of the collection.
[QUOTE=Gaius;5640302]Gal Gadot, Lynda Carter, Patty Jenkins, and Trina Robbins will contributing to the essay sections of the collection.[/QUOTE]
For 80 years Wonder Woman has stood as a symbol of truth, justice, and equality to people everywhere! Follow along in this incredible collection as the Amazon Warrior fights for justice—starting from the first appearance of Wonder Woman through some of her most incredible battles against foes like the Cheetah and Ares.
This anniversary hardcover collects stories from All-Star Comics #8, Sensation Comics, #1, Comic Cavalcade #11, Wonder Woman (vol. 1) #5, #78, #98, #124, #162, #203, and #206, Wonder Woman (vol. 2) #6, #57, #73, and #170, Wonder Woman (vol. 3) #1, #13, #600, Wonder Woman (New 52) #13, Wonder Woman #750, and DC Comics Presents #41, along with new historical essays and a new cover by Jim Lee.
[QUOTE=Sebastianne;5640603]For 80 years Wonder Woman has stood as a symbol of truth, justice, and equality to people everywhere! Follow along in this incredible collection as the Amazon Warrior fights for justice—starting from the first appearance of Wonder Woman through some of her most incredible battles against foes like the Cheetah and Ares.
This anniversary hardcover collects stories from All-Star Comics #8, Sensation Comics, #1, Comic Cavalcade #11, Wonder Woman (vol. 1) #5, #78, #98, #124, #162, #203, and #206, Wonder Woman (vol. 2) #6, #57, #73, and #170, Wonder Woman (vol. 3) #1, #13, #600, Wonder Woman (New 52) #13, Wonder Woman #750, and DC Comics Presents #41, along with new historical essays and a new cover by Jim Lee.[/QUOTE]
Am I the only one who not-so-secretly prays that the powers that be drop this bomb on us the day of her 80th anniversary?: "On this wonderful day of celebratory pride, DC Comics can finally reveal that Warner Entertainment/Warner. Bros Television Studios has fasttracked the very first solo animated TV series starring our beloved amazing amazon: [I]The Sensational Adventures of Wonder Woman[/I]" will star Diana of Themyscira and feature several of her fantastic cast of characters like Etta Candy, Hippolyta, Nubia, Donna Troy, Steve Trevor, as well as a pulse-pounding line up of her iconic villains like Ares, Cheetah, Circe, Silver Swan, Queen Clea, Dr. Poison and Angle Man (among others!!!)"
I can dream!!!!
If they announce a show and knowing WW's luck, they will most likely do a series where she is the daughter of Zeus, has to abandon her culture in order to run away with Steve who teaches her love and compassion, the Amazons are weak, xenophobic man haters, WW has sex with a possessed man, her villains will be depicted poorly or not at all, the actress keeps getting into controversies by pposting dumb stuff on social media, casual audiences will be left scratching their heads wondering why WW is such a big deal ('she left her island for her a man!') while those of us familiar with the character will be stuck bickering on the side lines.
[QUOTE=John Venus;5642533]If they announce a show and knowing WW's luck, they will most likely do a series where she is the daughter of Zeus, has to abandon her culture in order to run away with Steve who teaches her love and compassion, the Amazons are weak, xenophobic man haters, WW has sex with a possessed man, her villains will be depicted poorly or not at all, the actress keeps getting into controversies by pposting dumb stuff on social media, casual audiences will be left scratching their heads wondering why WW is such a big deal ('she left her island for her a man!') while those of us familiar with the character will be stuck bickering on the side lines.[/QUOTE]
If anything, She Ra would be the basis for the Wonder Woman show.
[QUOTE=John Venus;5642533]If they announce a show and knowing WW's luck, they will most likely do a series where she is the daughter of Zeus, has to abandon her culture in order to run away with Steve who teaches her love and compassion, the Amazons are weak, xenophobic man haters, WW has sex with a possessed man, her villains will be depicted poorly or not at all, the actress keeps getting into controversies by pposting dumb stuff on social media, casual audiences will be left scratching their heads wondering why WW is such a big deal ('she left her island for her a man!') while those of us familiar with the character will be stuck bickering on the side lines.[/QUOTE]
To be honest, the idea of Diana coming to Man's World after meeting Steve is not inherently stupid. Even the movie did it relatively well: she did not fall head over heels in love at first sight with him; she was just set on destroying the threat of Ares (which she knew about before meeting Steve), and protecting the world. Steve crashing on the island was the catalyst and she fell in love with him after they were in London. Also, Diana knew well about love and compassion while living on the Island. Anyway, I know you are joking, but I hope that WB are smarter than that.
This popped up on Tumblr and it was one of my first WW comic issues that I love till this day
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Ohh!! I remember how frustrated I was when Ororo beat Diana in the main crossover. :(
That issue, Ororo Wonder Woman was amazing! I had forgotten that it was written by Byrne.
[QUOTE=Sebastianne;5645008]Ohh!! I remember how frustrated I was when Ororo beat Diana in the main crossover. :(
That issue, Ororo Wonder Woman was amazing! I had forgotten that it was written by Byrne.[/QUOTE]
It was a popularity contest at the height of the X-men, no surprise there.
[QUOTE=masterwitcher88;5645086]It was a popularity contest at the height of the X-men, no surprise there.[/QUOTE]
Honestly WW can't catch a break. Somebody had to lose. As you know DC did not allow Superman and Batman to lose their battle. So who do you think they threw under the bus as usual? Sigh. The trackrecord is so bad for Wondy. She is treated so poorly more often than not by her own label.
At least it turned out great and probably one of my first introductions to Wonder Woman as a child.
Other than that....I often think about how WW would have changed in the media if JL: Mortal had gotten made. It featured WW vs. Superman, WW punching Batman, though of course Supes gets the best of her and they give the neck snap to Batman.
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[QUOTE=Primal Slayer;5645390]At least it turned out great and probably one of my first introductions to Wonder Woman as a child.
Other than that....I often think about how WW would have changed in the media if JL: Mortal had gotten made. It featured WW vs. Superman, WW punching Batman, [B]though of course Supes gets the best of her and they give the neck snap to Batman.[/B]
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Now knowing that, boy am I glad they didn't do it.
I can't really say anything that's come out of the [I]JL: Mortal [/I]has made me interested in it.
Though I'm very much pro-pawning off Max Lord on Batman.
It was a definitely an interesting twist to have WW have a kill no code. But she does appear to get some good hits in, she punches Superman to outerspace.
Just a look at all the failed WWs. I've watched all of the pilots and all were cringe but always interesting to see what couldve been.
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Interesting that WW is able to fly in the 1967 pilot and is 28 millions years old...
[QUOTE=Sebastianne;5645008]Ohh!! I remember how frustrated I was when Ororo beat Diana in the main crossover. :(
That issue, Ororo Wonder Woman was amazing! I had forgotten that it was written by Byrne.[/QUOTE]
Let's not sell Storm short. :p
[QUOTE=Primal Slayer;5645390]Other than that....I often think about how WW would have changed in the media if JL: Mortal had gotten made. It featured WW vs. Superman, WW punching Batman, though of course Supes gets the best of her and they give the neck snap to Batman.[/QUOTE]
Personally, [I]Justice League: Mortal[/I] never sounded appealing to me exactly because of this. They took [I]Sacrifice[/I]--where Wonder Woman holds her own against Superman, makes the choice to kill Max Lord, and was in many ways the central figure of the story--and made her a side character. A casualty in Superman and Batman's loveless marriage.
I know Diana killing Max is a sticking point around here, but I don't believe giving it to Bruce is a solution. And I'd bet you anything where killing Max haunts Diana and is often used to drag her through the mud, Batman killing him would be touted as proof that he can make the hard decisions that soft losers like Superman and Wonder Woman are too afraid to make.
And I have to say it's somewhat staggering to me that Superman beating the piss out of Wonder Woman in a movie was apparently an inevitability no matter what. We almost had it in this. It happens in Snyder's [I]Justice League[/I], and Joss Whedon didn't bother changing it in the theatrical version. Oh, he'll go out of his way (and threaten the actors) to make Flash fall into Diana's cleavage, but having her last more than three seconds against Superman was a bridge too far.
I would love to know who in Warner really thought, upon finally seeing Wonder Woman in live action in a movie for the first time, we needed Superman promptly putting her in her place.
"Hey, happy to finally see Wonder Woman? Did you like how uplifting and empowering she was in her movie? WELL, enjoy waching get smashed into the ground by Superman because pecking order!"
Yare yare daze.
[QUOTE=Sebastianne;5645008]Ohh!! I remember how frustrated I was when Ororo beat Diana in the main crossover. :(
That issue, Ororo Wonder Woman was amazing! I had forgotten that it was written by Byrne.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, the fight was weak. Giving Storm credit, I would never say she can't possibly defeat Wonder Woman. But in two pages with a single lightning bolt? Come on.
Something that bothered me about the Amalgam story was it was less a fusion of Storm and Wonder Woman and more "What if Ororo was raised on Themyscira?"
Which wouldn't be a problem except the answer they offered was: "She would've become Wonder Woman, and Diana would be a jealous, petty bitch about the whole thing."
Like Diana getting chumped by Storm is bad enough, but making her the Vegeta to Ororo's Goku feels like rubbing salt on the wound.
JL: Mortals, even back when it was first announced, sounded like Civil War or Age of Ultron with none of the build up necessary to make the emotional beats work but folks were so desperate for to see their favorites on screen, they were willing to accept George Miller just throwing those characters on screen without setting a strong foundation first. If that project had gone through, we would probably be dealing with another Snyderverse style mess but probably less toxic because the social media was different back then.
[QUOTE=HestiasHearth;5642911]To be honest, the idea of Diana coming to Man's World after meeting Steve is not inherently stupid. Even the movie did it relatively well: she did not fall head over heels in love at first sight with him; she was just set on destroying the threat of Ares (which she knew about before meeting Steve), and protecting the world. Steve crashing on the island was the catalyst and she fell in love with him after they were in London. Also, Diana knew well about love and compassion while living on the Island. Anyway, I know you are joking, but I hope that WB are smarter than that.[/QUOTE]
Anytime I step out of the bubble that is this forum, it's been 'dIAna LeFt hEr PeOplE FOR a MAN' with general audiences pointing out how the Amazons played no part in Diana's realization at the end of the film about Man's World and the next film with her spending the entirety of it pining for Steve. Compared to the comics, the movies did the Amazons a disservice (aside from casting actual athletes and stunt women as Amazons) and they cut out the contest.....again. Now they can't adapt the contest without being accused of ripping off Black Panther. They also gave Phillipus role to Antiope.
The movie was serviceable but it could have been a lot better.
People said Aquaman ripped off Black Panther and people will say Namor is a rip off of Aquaman, but that didn’t matter at all for Arthur’s billion dollar box office and I doubt it will affect BP2. If they want to do the contest they can do it, not like BP invented the concept of “fighting tournament” ;)
If there are women involved in creating the show from the ground up, then perhaps they’d go with the classic origin, but I expect the execs would want the Zeus tie because Diana’s parentage is something that pretty much all the other forms of WW media have synergized on.
The thing to remember about JL is: they had no f****** clue the WW movie would be a success, it was assumed BvS was going to be a massive success and Batman would be the star character of the DCEU. Superman was going to be the big villain alongside Darkseid so Snyder was going to show why him turning would basically assure Darkseid of success. Yes Snyder’s an idiot, but [B][I]nobody[/I][/B] saw Batman and Superman being [I]hated[/I] and [I]mocked[/I] while WW was the sole breakout star. Nobody saw a world where WW, Aquaman, and Shazam were more successful than Batman and Superman. Not excusing anything, you all know how much I despise Snyder and his creative choices, but my point is the decision to have Supes beat Wondy came [B][I]before[/I][/B] her movie released and she was a huge hit. If another JL movie gets made, I’m sure she will be given much more respect (not that I ever expect another JL movie to get made anytime soon).
For what it’s worth I’d happily have DCEU Superman and Batman killed off and have Diana as the sole leader of a new JL. Hell that’s pretty much what’s going to happen if the rumors about Affleck and Cavill getting erased are correct.
[QUOTE=Vordan;5645854]People said Aquaman ripped off Black Panther and people will say Namor is a rip off of Aquaman, but that didn’t matter at all for Arthur’s billion dollar box office and I doubt it will affect BP2. If they want to do the contest they can do it, not like BP invented the concept of “fighting tournament” ;)
If there are women involved in creating the show from the ground up, then perhaps they’d go with the classic origin, but I expect the execs would want the Zeus tie because Diana’s parentage is something that pretty much all the other forms of WW media have synergized on.
The thing to remember about JL is: they had no f****** clue the WW movie would be a success, it was assumed BvS was going to be a massive success and Batman would be the star character of the DCEU. Superman was going to be the big villain alongside Darkseid so Snyder was going to show why him turning would basically assure Darkseid of success. Yes Snyder’s an idiot, but [B][I]nobody[/I][/B] saw Batman and Superman being [I]hated[/I] and [I]mocked[/I] while WW was the sole breakout star. Nobody saw a world where WW, Aquaman, and Shazam were more successful than Batman and Superman. Not excusing anything, you all know how much I despise Snyder and his creative choices, but my point is the decision to have Supes beat Wondy came [B][I]before[/I][/B] her movie released and she was a huge hit. [B]If another JL movie gets made, I’m sure she will be given much more respect[/B] (not that I ever expect another JL movie to get made anytime soon).
For what it’s worth I’d happily have DCEU Superman and Batman killed off and have Diana as the sole leader of a new JL. Hell that’s pretty much what’s going to happen if the rumors about Affleck and Cavill getting erased are correct.[/QUOTE]
Wonder Woman still jobbed just as hard in the Synder cut as in the Whedon cut. Time had passed since the first Wonder Woman movie and Synder doing his 4 hour cut, but he didn't change a thing about the Justice League jobbing out to Superman. If you really think she would have fared better then I have a bridge in Brooklyn to sell to you.
[QUOTE=BiteTheBullet;5646035]Wonder Woman still jobbed just as hard in the Synder cut as in the Whedon cut. Time had passed since the first Wonder Woman movie and Synder doing his 4 hour cut, but he didn't change a thing about the Justice League jobbing out to Superman. If you really think she would have fared better then I have a bridge in Brooklyn to sell to you.[/QUOTE]
He couldn’t change anything for the 4 hour cut, he could barely convince the studio to add that unnecessary 5 minutes onto the end. :p
[QUOTE=I'm a Fish;5646064]He couldn’t change anything for the 4 hour cut, he could barely convince the studio to add that unnecessary 5 minutes onto the end. :p[/QUOTE]
How much money did he get for the reshoot, at least 70 million, right? Sounds to me that if he wanted to redo the jobbing scene the Justice League did to Superman, he could have.
[QUOTE=BiteTheBullet;5646115]How much money did he get for the reshoot, at least 70 million, right? Sounds to me that if he wanted to redo the jobbing scene the Justice League did to Superman, he could have.[/QUOTE]
Henry Cavil wasn’t part of the reshoots, nor was Gal Gadot.
Pretty sure most of the money went to the special effects department since everything had to be redone from scratch for a 4 hour movie.
[QUOTE=I'm a Fish;5646162]Henry Cavil wasn’t part of the reshoots, nor was Gal Gadot.
Pretty sure most of the money went to the special effects department since everything had to be redone from scratch for a 4 hour movie.[/QUOTE]
Are we trying to make excuses on why Synder, or Whedon for that matter, had the entire Justice League job out to Superman?
This is why I tend to be so negative with respect to Wonder Woman and that is because she gets no respect. We are even trying to give reasons why the Synder cut stayed the same even with reshoots and special effects added. Correct me if I am wrong, but didn't some of the actors like the Flash come back to shoot some scenes? Sounds like if Synder really wanted to, they could have had Cavill and Gadot back.
Let us stop making excuses and try to SHOUT out as best as we can about the disrespect that Wonder Woman gets!