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[QUOTE=Alpha;5865696]I think Klarion would make for a great Wonder Woman villain
We already have a devil child in Devastation, but she has barely been used. Young Justice has shown how trully horrific he can be.[/QUOTE]
I recall he WAS a villain in a Wonder Woman story a bit back. I think Conways run?
[QUOTE=Fuzzy Mittens;5866430]I recall he WAS a villain in a Wonder Woman story a bit back. I think Conways run?[/QUOTE]
I think it was the Sins of Youth Wonder Girls special where Diana and Cassie switched ages but I could be misremembering.
[QUOTE=Fuzzy Mittens;5866430]I recall he WAS a villain in a Wonder Woman story a bit back. I think Conways run?[/QUOTE]
He fought Wonder Woman and Etrigan in Wonder Woman #282. But what I'm saying is that he should appear regularlu in her stories. She needs a really powerful character that embodies the loss of innocence and the horror of a human being enjoying the degrading abuse of others.
She's the champion of empowerment nurturing of the soul and she needs a nemesis that does the opposite, bring out the sadism in all of us and makes us feel disgusted with each other and ourselves.
Happy Holidays :).
It looks like Wonder Woman has a weakness. I won't spoil the comic but anyone who is reading DC this week knows what I mean
[QUOTE=Jabare;5869813]It looks like Wonder Woman has a weakness. I won't spoil the comic but anyone who is reading DC this week knows what I mean[/QUOTE]
Yeah, it's called DC Comics. :p
[QUOTE=Jabare;5869813]It looks like Wonder Woman has a weakness. I won't spoil the comic but anyone who is reading DC this week knows what I mean[/QUOTE]
I know what you're taking about and if that wasn't the biggest crock of shite.
Slight spoiler: if you hate when the Lasso of Truth's power is nerfed or misinterpreted, avoid the new [I]DC vs. Vampires[/I].
I've said this in other threads, but it bears repeating:
If your story would completely unravel because Wonder Woman a) remembers to use her Lasso, and b) [B]the Lasso works like it's supposed[/B] to...it might not be a good story and should be reconsidered.
[QUOTE=Jabare;5869813]It looks like Wonder Woman has a weakness. I won't spoil the comic but anyone who is reading DC this week knows what I mean[/QUOTE]
I just read it. Seems like its in line with DCs events. WW is always on the wrong side of things while Batman gets to shine shine shine.
Well, I guess Tynion (Tynion is writing this, right?) lost some WW brownie points.
[QUOTE=Frontier;5869948]Well, I guess Tynion (Tynion is writing this, right?) lost some WW brownie points.[/QUOTE]
Tynion and Rosenberg continue to show Superman and Batman writers/fans are the great enemies of Wonder Woman.
[QUOTE=Frontier;5869948]Well, I guess Tynion (Tynion is writing this, right?) lost some WW brownie points.[/QUOTE]
I mean, it's a dumb idea. But thanks to him there's still hope of us getting an animated Justice League Dark movie adapting The Witching Hour.
So he still deserves some WW brownie points.
It does make me wonder though, what would a Wonder Woman run by James Tynion IV be like since we've seen his best and worst.
There is so much about this that pisses me off.
Just as a start, they had Vampire Hal effectively no-sell the Lasso of Truth. A weapon that can and has defended Diana and others from mind control and possession, and they had him literally go: "lol no, I'mma hypnotize you anyway."
This should go up there with Bizarro breaking it in Wagner's [I]Trinity[/I] in disrespecting the Lasso.
The fact they had to have Hal explain it kind of proves the contrivance. They knew this isn't how the Lasso works, so they had him spout some garbage about how "the truth left you vulnerable to my power."
It reminds me of the Nazi-Steve bit from [I]Injustice[/I] where he had to explain that he technically didn't actually lie, Diana just didn't ask him the right question.
Nope, wrong. Flag on the play. That loophole doesn't hold water.
I think the most exhausting about this is it's just another example of writers having no interest in giving Diana a relevant part of their stupid story, so they brush her out of the way in the cheapest way possible. The Lasso could've easily been handy in helping the League figure out who they can trust...if only Batman opened his goddamn mouth and warned her.
Or, say she was ambushed and turned into a vampire, and the Lasso helped her retain her free will. Now Wonder Woman is trying to help her allies while also resisting her growing bloodlust. Now there's a ticking clock element as she's slowly corrupted or growing weaker from not drinking blood. If all the vamps are linked, maybe she can offer insight that would help the heroes.
But that would take attention away from Bat-Poochie and friends. And that's all this is. Yet another tired, hackneyed "street level billionaires have to fight the easily corrupted idiot gods" diatribe.
I mean it's right in the text. Vampire Hal outright says Diana's Lasso, like his ring, is a crutch...therefore implying she's too reliant on her powers.
...[SIZE=1]like Batman & Green Arrow don't rely entirely on their gear[/SIZE].
Why even bother calling this comic [I]DC vs. Vampires[/I]? It's BATMAN vs. Vampires.
Tynion's stock has definitely plummeted in my book.
Id not really be that interested in a Witching Hour movie honestly. I mean sure it was a story where Diana was a focus, but in all honesty it reads like a weaker retread of 'War of the Gods' which would be much more thrilling to see an adaption of.
[QUOTE=Jabare;5869813]It looks like Wonder Woman has a weakness. I won't spoil the comic but anyone who is reading DC this week knows what I mean[/QUOTE]
Soon as I saw that I came here for the fireworks ;)
[QUOTE=Frontier;5869948]Well, I guess Tynion (Tynion is writing this, right?) lost some WW brownie points.[/QUOTE]
He wrote the overall plot but the specific issue by issue beats are Rosenberg’s. Tynion is the one who likely had WW getting turned, but Rosenberg is the one who wrote the “how” of it, that’s my understanding of this partnership anyway.
AND ANOTHER THING...because I'm still stewing about this....
How the hell did Hal know that would even work?
For arguments sake, let's say this loophole with the Lasso flies...what that implies is Vampire Hal (or whoever is controlling him) understands the Lasso's power and how it works better than Diana herself.
I'm saying it: this was a burial on par with [I]DCeased[/I]'s one-punch death. They did Diana dirty here.
And we still got nine more issues of this crap.
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[QUOTE=Fuzzy Mittens;5870149]Id not really be that interested in a Witching Hour movie honestly. I mean sure it was a story where Diana was a focus, but in all honesty it reads like a weaker retread of 'War of the Gods' which would be much more thrilling to see an adaption of.[/QUOTE]
I don't think DC will ever adapt War of the Gods. It's too complex. The Witching Hour directly ties into Wonderverse lore in a way that can be simplified. It's also attached to a brand DC believes in "Justice League Dark".
[QUOTE=Alpha;5870027]I mean, it's a dumb idea. But thanks to him there's still hope of us getting an animated Justice League Dark movie adapting The Witching Hour.
So he still deserves some WW brownie points.
It does make me wonder though, what would a Wonder Woman run by James Tynion IV be like since we've seen his best and worst.[/QUOTE]
Justice League dark is not that good of a book as far as WW content goes any. And i'm not giving him a pass for making her useless in this other book.
[QUOTE=Gaius;5869834]Yeah, it's called DC Comics. :p[/QUOTE]
Disdain cruelty Wondy Bias. Known as DC WB is her biggest weakness.
[QUOTE=Fuzzy Mittens;5870149]Id not really be that interested in a Witching Hour movie honestly. I mean sure it was a story where Diana was a focus, but in all honesty it reads like a weaker retread of 'War of the Gods' which would be much more thrilling to see an adaption of.[/QUOTE]
I don't imagine if it were adapted it'd follow the story 100% since even when they were adapting specific stories they changed or added their own things.
A combination of the [I]Witching Hour/War of Gods[/I] could work as an animated film.
I just want a movie with Circe as the Big Bad. Hoping she’s that for the game but I’ll take either of those stories as a movie since she’s the main villain in both.
I'm surprised of mnyself. Not long ago i wrote let's hope WW is not thrown under the bus again by her own label and here we are. People better be prepare for 2022. Because if 2021 in her 80th aniverssary she was still given so much #####. I can't imagine what 2022 will give us. DC and WB will never ever treat WW with respect. It's time we accept that. These sexists just don't care.
[QUOTE=Guy_McNichts;5870307]AND ANOTHER THING...because I'm still stewing about this....
How the hell did Hal know that would even work?
For arguments sake, let's say this loophole with the Lasso flies...what that implies is Vampire Hal (or whoever is controlling him) understands the Lasso's power and how it works better than Diana herself.
I'm saying it: this was a burial on par with [I]DCeased[/I]'s one-punch death. They did Diana dirty here.
[B]And we still got nine more issues of this crap.[/B]
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And we haven't even gotten to the ''best'' part yet. Which will be when vampire WW is seen jobbing to SM or somebody else. Because when other characters go evil. Like SM and such. They still get a moment of showing themselves as a big threat. While WW is usually the jobber. A jobber when she is good fighting a friend that turned evil. And a jobber when fighting a friend after she turns evil. Sigh.
[url]https://twitter.com/GailSimone/status/1475973440372817920[/url]
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[QUOTE=Gaius;5870514][url]https://twitter.com/GailSimone/status/1475973440372817920[/url]
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Well then [B][I]why don’t you[/I][/B] Gail? She does this teasing every month or so on all the books she wants to do and it feels like she’s just fishing for likes and retweets. Waid’s back at DC despite being editor of Humanoids, I doubt they’d turn Gail away if she actually seriously wanted to come back. Sorry just irritated because Gail teased wanting to do a few projects I wanted to see and nothing came of them, so I’m a bit miffed at her.
[QUOTE=Vordan;5870597]Well then [B][I]why don’t you[/I][/B] Gail? She does this teasing every month or so on all the books she wants to do and it feels like she’s just fishing for likes and retweets. Waid’s back at DC despite being editor of Humanoids, I doubt they’d turn Gail away if she actually seriously wanted to come back. Sorry just irritated because Gail teased wanting to do a few projects I wanted to see and nothing came of them, so I’m a bit miffed at her.[/QUOTE]
It sounds more to me like she knows an editor will just say no to the book so she's trying to crowd source some interest to back her pitch.
The comic industry is a hustle and you gotta play the game if you want the work.
It'd be like me walking into the office and pitching a space epic with Maxima or something. If I'm lucky, they will be polite and hear the pitch before saying no. If I'm a name writer, they will probably be polite.
If I floated the idea by their customers got like 50k likes, they may ask be for my plans. Likewise having a hot artist attached or some other facet I can use to try and prove the book will have an audience.
I'm not saying 50k is the magic number or if it even would influence the decision, but at the very least, it's better than going in with nothing.
And what's even more annoying is Wonder Woman told the JL that Batman killed Barry, which is a lie, with the lasso touching her. And she'll presumably lie a great deal more to cover up being a vampire unless -plot twist- she's faking it which *fingers crossed* I really hope so.
[QUOTE=Vordan;5870597]Well then [B][I]why don’t you[/I][/B] Gail? She does this teasing every month or so on all the books she wants to do and it feels like she’s just fishing for likes and retweets. Waid’s back at DC despite being editor of Humanoids, I doubt they’d turn Gail away if she actually seriously wanted to come back. Sorry just irritated because Gail teased wanting to do a few projects I wanted to see and nothing came of them, so I’m a bit miffed at her.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, seems to come up every so often I think you could make a list of project she wants to do. I imagine it's what Robanker said on DC just not being interested most of the time or wanting her on something else.
She brought up a few weeks back apparently DC had a policy for a longtime of not letting writers on their favorite/dream book.
[QUOTE=Vordan;5870173]Soon as I saw that I came here for the fireworks ;)[/QUOTE]
Does that mean you agree with the nerfing of Wonder Woman's lasso?
[QUOTE=Gaius;5870714]Yeah, seems to come up every so often I think you could make a list of project she wants to do. I imagine it's what Robanker said on DC just not being interested most of the time or wanting her on something else.
She brought up a few weeks back apparently DC had a policy for a longtime of not letting writers on their favorite/dream book.[/QUOTE]
I can kind of see the logic of that policy. Most writers just want to do Batman and won’t even touch any of the other characters if they could just go straight to Batman. Forcing them to work for it means you can get a bunch of work out of them which might result in good stories for characters they otherwise would never touch. But it’s a bad policy to [B][I]never[/I][/B] let them try their hand at writing their favorite characters.
[QUOTE=BiteTheBullet;5870787]Does that mean you agree with the nerfing of Wonder Woman's lasso?[/QUOTE]
No. Means I knew as soon as I saw that it would anger this forum for good reason. That was dumb and I can think of a couple better ways to handle it from having Zatanna sneak up behind Diana while she’s focused on Hal, to Hal pretending to be lassoed up but actually using the ring to create a super thin aura that keeps the lasso from actually touching him, to Hal having undergone some magical rite with the Vampire King and Zatanna’s help that reverses the lassos power when Diana attacks him. Not a fan of writers trying to weasel their way out of the lasso’s power with “welllll [I]technically[/I] it wasn’t a lie” but I also went in expecting everyone to job except Batman so I was more amused than angered.
Didn't Wonder Woman do well against vampires in Convergence: Wonder Woman?
[QUOTE=Vordan;5870425]I just want a movie with Circe as the Big Bad. Hoping she’s that for the game but I’ll take either of those stories as a movie since she’s the main villain in both.[/QUOTE]
I think there's a story there, worth telling.
I am not sure where the narrative center of gravity is, for a Circe movie. Basically, she wants to punish mankind, for condemning her and chasing her into Hell, after she had been a healer, all her life, and a celebrated princess. So, ..I guess Wonder Woman has to throw herself in the path of some big, mystical attack on the world, even if Circe deserves her revenge - sort of makes Diana, a super-cop.
Beyond that, I don't really see what interest they would have, in each other. I don't see where it gets personal, between them...archy? In the Golden Age, it was the Amazons, Hippolyta, specifically, who banished her to the farthest star, from Earth - Sorca. That would make Circe's enmity, with Diana, much like Superman's, with General Zod. I suppose a good writer could retcon the Amazons into a similar backstory, for Diana's thing, against Circe.
[url]https://wondabunga.blogspot.com/2021/04/killbilleus-why-circe-is-wonder-woman.html[/url]
[QUOTE=Vordan;5870597]Well then [B][I]why don’t you[/I][/B] Gail? She does this teasing every month or so on all the books she wants to do and it feels like she’s just fishing for likes and retweets. Waid’s back at DC despite being editor of Humanoids, I doubt they’d turn Gail away if she actually seriously wanted to come back. Sorry just irritated because Gail teased wanting to do a few projects I wanted to see and nothing came of them, so I’m a bit miffed at her.[/QUOTE]
You act like she's the one who greenlights books lol. She can want something all day, it has to be greenlit by DC first.
[QUOTE=Vordan;5870810]I can kind of see the logic of that policy. Most writers just want to do Batman and won’t even touch any of the other characters if they could just go straight to Batman. Forcing them to work for it means you can get a bunch of work out of them which might result in good stories for characters they otherwise would never touch. But it’s a bad policy to [B][I]never[/I][/B] let them try their hand at writing their favorite characters.
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Yeah, apparently the reasoning being they thought once they get their dream book they'll peace out to Marvel or the indies.
Hers was apparently a Captain Marvel book but I imagine Johns probably had something to do with that also since he had that character in his death grip. Think that's why Waid never did anything with a Superman ongoing.
[I]DC vs Vampires[/I]: The Lasso of Truth not being helpful at all? I wish I could be shock...or feel anything...
I'm not even angry, just...(is it disappointed?) Yeah, it's disappointed. I'm disappointed. :p
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[QUOTE=VonHammersmark;5870652]And what's even more annoying is Wonder Woman told the JL that Batman killed Barry, which is a lie, with the lasso touching her. And she'll presumably lie a great deal more to cover up being a vampire [B]unless -plot twist- she's faking it which *fingers crossed* I really hope so.[/B][/QUOTE]
Man, I hope so too.
But I feel like the mood of this comic is "popcorn flick" where the draw factor is just watching JL members get horribly murdered or turned into vampires.
[QUOTE=Gaius;5871118]Yeah, apparently the reasoning being they thought once they get their dream book they'll peace out to Marvel or the indies.
Hers was apparently a Captain Marvel book but I imagine Johns probably had something to do with that also since he had that character in his death grip. Think that's why Waid never did anything with a Superman ongoing.[/QUOTE]
That’s what Brubaker did lol. Johns probably blocked Gail on Billy & co. but Didio was the one who blocked Waid on Supes. Waid also got blocked because of the Superman 2000 pitch that caused him, Morrison, Millar, and Peyer to get banned from ever touching the Superbooks by Carlin (which only went away when Carlin left and Didio asked Morrison to write Action).
So what Nicknames does Diana have? Steve Trevor obviously calls her Angel. I think Etta Candy and Artemis should have something for her, but I don't recall any.
Doctor Psycho probably has a nickname for her too, but I doubt it would be something we can type here.
[QUOTE=Alpha;5877809]So what Nicknames does Diana have? Steve Trevor obviously calls her Angel. I think Etta Candy and Artemis should have something for her, but I don't recall any.[/QUOTE]
Artemis usually refers to her as "little sister." It's meant to be teasing, because Diana is often older than her regardless of continuity.
Artemis also calls her "Princess" with probably an implied sarcastic tone.
Ares called her "Princess-once-Goddess" in Rucka's first run.
[QUOTE=Alpha;5877809]So what Nicknames does Diana have? Steve Trevor obviously calls her Angel. I think Etta Candy and Artemis should have something for her, but I don't recall any.
Doctor Psycho probably has a nickname for her too, but I doubt it would be something we can type here.[/QUOTE]
I recall Etta calling her both 'Di' and 'Wondy' her idea of nicknames is just taking the first bit of a name and chopping off the rest