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Patty, Geoff and Dave just might not gel well together. It happens.
Patty was also involved in the first movie’s story to some extent, but it’s never elaborate on. The most I’ve heard about it is that when she was brought on she said Wonder Woman was decapitating people (which we know was part of Snyder’s original story pitch), an idea she strongly opposed, as well the Amazon’s all being raped as part of their origin.
[QUOTE=Alpha;5751156]Thank Hera. I was getting kinda anxious actually. That Amazons spin off is probably cancelled though[/QUOTE]
I'm not a fan of The Amazons, at all. However, I would be so disappointed if the spin-off is canceled. I actually do like the DCEU Amazons, and while Patty is filming the Star Wars movie and Gal Gadot finally gets around to her many announced projects that have not been filmed, I hope they can be the producers of a Braveheart like Amazons film with Kathryn Bigelow as the director.
While I'm making wishes, I also wouldn't mind a Nubia spin-off HBO Max film and a Yara/Wonder Girl HBO Max series.
Pro cape or anti cape?
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Yes, mainly for ceremonial purposes.
No as standard attire.
[QUOTE=Gaius;5762883]Yes, mainly for ceremonial purposes.
No as standard attire.[/QUOTE]
Yes, same!
Only for formal events.
[QUOTE=Primal Slayer;5762878]Pro cape or anti cape?
[img]https://www.pngitem.com/pimgs/m/202-2026602_wonder-woman-png-image-background-wonder-woman-cape.png[/img]
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I like it, it's regal and make Diana look cooler when she flies. But I prefer it being blue instead of red.
[QUOTE=Primal Slayer;5762878]Pro cape or anti cape?...[/QUOTE]
I like the Perez original, ..a blue cape, trimmed with white and stars. In it, his Diana looked like royalty - the most tasteful superhero uniform, he's ever done.
I thought the eagle feather pattern, created for Gal Gadot in the movie, was also good.
Looks like Belén Ortega is doing something Wonder Woman related
[url]https://twitter.com/BelenOrtega_/status/1445812909188259841?s=20[/url]
[QUOTE=Garrac;5763283]Looks like Belén Ortega is doing something Wonder Woman related
[url]https://twitter.com/BelenOrtega_/status/1445812909188259841?s=20[/url][/QUOTE]
Damn, what a gorgeous rendition.
Could this be true? A Wonder Woman animated series.
[url]https://twitter.com/bway_banter/status/1446100904353042438[/url]
[QUOTE=mystical41;5763593]Could this be true? A Wonder Woman animated series.
[url]https://twitter.com/bway_banter/status/1446100904353042438[/url][/QUOTE]
I'm not seeing anything that would make that person reliable enough to believe
Ey, look, it's a burning nail
I'm gonna pick it with my teeth
I recently got the new McFarlane specially designed figure. What do you all think of the design?:
[url]https://www.amazon.com/McFarlane-Toys-DC-Multiverse-Figures/dp/B08FP6WZG3/ref=sr_1_4?dchild=1&keywords=wonder+woman+action+figure&qid=1633656288&s=toys-and-games&sr=1-4[/url]
[QUOTE=superduperman;5764348]I recently got the new McFarlane specially designed figure. What do you all think of the design?:
[url]https://www.amazon.com/McFarlane-Toys-DC-Multiverse-Figures/dp/B08FP6WZG3/ref=sr_1_4?dchild=1&keywords=wonder+woman+action+figure&qid=1633656288&s=toys-and-games&sr=1-4[/url][/QUOTE]
Uhhhmm, really don't want to make two negative posts in a row but that's pretty terrible. Quite frankly it's a tacky mess and why do the boots end at the ankles like pants?
[QUOTE=superduperman;5764348]I recently got the new McFarlane specially designed figure. What do you all think of the design?:
[url]https://www.amazon.com/McFarlane-Toys-DC-Multiverse-Figures/dp/B08FP6WZG3/ref=sr_1_4?dchild=1&keywords=wonder+woman+action+figure&qid=1633656288&s=toys-and-games&sr=1-4[/url][/QUOTE]
[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/MvS7zHu.jpg[/IMG]
[QUOTE=mystical41;5763593]Could this be true? A Wonder Woman animated series.
[url]https://twitter.com/bway_banter/status/1446100904353042438[/url][/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Primal Slayer;5763720]I'm not seeing anything that would make that person reliable enough to believe[/QUOTE]
I'd love to believe, but need something more solid.
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I love the art style in the series.
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Yuck. Still not care for the fact that they used Diana (even if she is an alternate universe one) as *YAWN* a romantic object for one of DC's big boys.
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Just when i thought DCAU WW could have a big moment of battle against a top tier without looking weak. She faces a darkseid that can't fight back. And her being used as a romantic interstest for him, no thanks.
[QUOTE=John Venus;5766269]I love the art style in the series.
[IMG]https://static1.cbrimages.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2021/10/Justice-League-Infinity-4-multiverse-lovers-Darkseid-and-Wonder-Woman-origins.jpg?q=50&fit=crop&w=740&h=370&dpr=1.5[/IMG][/QUOTE]
Ditto. It was a fun little issue
I imagine only a geologist understands what kissing Darkseid is like.
It's an alternate universe. I would be disappointed if weird shit didn't happen.
[QUOTE=mystical41;5766318]Just when i thought DCAU WW could have a big moment of battle against a top tier without looking weak. She faces a darkseid that can't fight back. And her being used as a romantic interstest for him, no thanks.[/QUOTE]
He can't fight back because that universe's Diana redeemed him.
The ick factor with a Darkseid-Diana romance is off the charts.
I'm not one to defend the DCAU Wonder Woman--and I'm inclined to agree Diana falling in love with Darkseid is pretty ick--but isn't convincing him to turn good and redeeming him actually something the comic Diana would do? [B]Shouldn't[/B] Wonder Woman see the best in people and encourage/teach them to be better...even Darkseid?
Is there context I'm missing, because I'm not reading this comic? Is the execution wrong? Or is it that she actually falls in the love with him in the process?
[QUOTE=Guy_McNichts;5766719]I'm not one to defend the DCAU Wonder Woman--and I'm inclined to agree Diana falling in love with Darkseid is pretty ick--but isn't convincing him to turn good and redeeming him actually something the comic Diana would do? [B]Shouldn't[/B] Wonder Woman see the best in people and encourage/teach them to be better...even Darkseid?
Is there context I'm missing, because I'm not reading this comic? Is the execution wrong? Or is it that she actually falls in the love with him in the process?[/QUOTE]
Just that she falls in love with him and is "relegated" to love interest and isnt shown to be a powerhouse that can go against a Darkseid that would be willing to fight back.
Would have been a fine story if the fact she was his lover didn't feel so tacked on...
Will media corporations ever learn you can love someone without it being romantic. :p
Read this issue out of curiosity. I have to agree with others, there's nothing particularly egregious here. Honestly the main things that annoy were the call-backs the poor Wonder Woman-centric episodes of the DCAU and reminder the DCAU was trying to give Diana daddy issues long before Azzarello pulled the trigger (an illusion of Hades showed up).
It was kind of amusing that aside from hooking up with Darkseid, sounds like this alternate Diana was closer to Wonder Woman's actual personality than DCAU Diana was for the large part.
Anyways based off this issue, "WonderSeid" > school girl crush on Bruce Timm's self-insert. :p
[QUOTE=Gaius;5767035]Read this issue out of curiosity. I have to agree with others, there's nothing particularly egregious here. Honestly the main things that annoy were the call-backs the poor Wonder Woman-centric episodes of the DCAU and [B]reminder the DCAU was trying to give Diana daddy issues long before Azzarello pulled the trigger (an illusion of Hades showed up). [/B]
It was kind of amusing that aside from hooking up with Darkseid, sounds like this alternate Diana was closer to Wonder Woman's actual personality than DCAU Diana was for the large part.
Anyways based off this issue, "WonderSeid" > school girl crush on Bruce Timm's self-insert. :p[/QUOTE]
Yeah, Hades trying to convince Diana she's Bane. He practically said, "You where born in the darkness, molded by it." :p
[QUOTE=Primal Slayer;5766882]Just that she falls in love with him and is "relegated" to love interest and isnt shown to be a powerhouse that can go against a Darkseid that would be willing to fight back.[/QUOTE]
Pretty much this. Not the worst from DCAU WW, but still not good in my opinion.
Three thoughts on the ick factor.
I'll agree that it isn't as egregious as some things that have shown up in comics. It is the multiverse, a version of imaginary stories.
I don't enjoy that thing myself, but mine is clearly a minority opinion. As it is with many things. Personally, the only multiverse
versions of Wonder Woman (or other heroes) I want to read about would be the Golden Age Earth of the JSA, more please from Golden
Age Wonder Woman, Fury, or even an elseworld where Mala was Wonder Woman. But that's about it. But I also know what goes on with
Darkseid, who has his enthusiasts, this becomes a form of relationship porn. It's happened before, it will happen again, you can't get
too mad about it.
But the second part that bothers me is the way that women characters in DC, not just Wonder Woman, are treated. The rule seems to
be that if you are breathing, they can throw them in front of anyone no matter how ridiculous.
But the deeper question regarding the ick factor is the nature of what Darkseid represents. Sure, I suppose we have long seen Wonder
Woman having a positive impact in how people grow and develop. But I'd phrase it this way. How would you feel about it if instead of
Darkseid and Wonder Woman making out having a relationship it was Adolf Hitler. Would that be OK? Let's say that there is an elseworld
where Diana met Hitler before he really got the holocaust going, Diana "reformed" him so instead of murdering 12 million, it was 800,000.
I don't think we would say that was OK, it would still offend our sensibilities. You can substitute any number of evil tyrants. Josef Stalin,
who murdered 20 million human beings, Mao Zedong an untold number.
Now I know that this is comics, fun and games, so we shouldn't think about the world life comparisons too much. But the other part of
this is what this says about Diana. It cheapens her, by making her simply someone who is some magic potion to "redeem" male characters.
It suggests that in the right situation she would align herself with someone who doesn't share her moral values. Diana's great appeal
has always been an ethical component, that gets thrown away.
I suppose it’s partly because Darkseid and his victims are all fictional characters whereas Hitler, Stalin, and their victims are not.
I do agree in large part though, it’s why Golden Age Paula von Gunther’s redemption arc is poorly aged imo due to her Nazi connections and why characters like Harley and Poison Ivy are DOA for me for character we’re supposed to sympathize with.
I agree on the point it shows poor creative thinking to do another Multiverse Wonder Woman based on who she shacked up with this week.
I'm really tired of people seeing her mainly through the filter of the effect she has on men who are attracted to her sexually...Batman, Superman, Darkseid or otherwise.
Redemption is tricky, especially in this day and age.
You got to show characters actually atoning for their crimes and just because Diana redeemed someone, it doesn't mean she has to be in a romantic relationship with them (Cheetah fans might disagree but I digress).
There was a great issue of 'Batman & The Outsiders' wherein a supervillain tried to clone Hitler so he can lead a new Third Reich. Said supervillain begins to 'train' the Hitler clone by showing him videos of Nazi Germany. He also has a Jewish maid (ignorant to who he was) serve the new Hitler and was counting on the Hitler clone to kill the maid as a means of proving himself. However, at the end of the video, instead of killing the maid, Hitler kills himself. The message being that even a clone of Hitler would rather kill itself than repeat the same horrors that it committed in life.
Wow. That is something.
[QUOTE=RobinGA;5767699]Three thoughts on the ick factor.
I'll agree that it isn't as egregious as some things that have shown up in comics. It is the multiverse, a version of imaginary stories.
I don't enjoy that thing myself, but mine is clearly a minority opinion. As it is with many things. Personally, the only multiverse
versions of Wonder Woman (or other heroes) I want to read about would be the Golden Age Earth of the JSA, more please from Golden
Age Wonder Woman, Fury, or even an elseworld where Mala was Wonder Woman. But that's about it. But I also know what goes on with
Darkseid, who has his enthusiasts, this becomes a form of relationship porn. It's happened before, it will happen again, you can't get
too mad about it.
But the second part that bothers me is the way that women characters in DC, not just Wonder Woman, are treated. The rule seems to
be that if you are breathing, they can throw them in front of anyone no matter how ridiculous.
But the deeper question regarding the ick factor is the nature of what Darkseid represents. Sure, I suppose we have long seen Wonder
Woman having a positive impact in how people grow and develop. But I'd phrase it this way. How would you feel about it if instead of
Darkseid and Wonder Woman making out having a relationship it was Adolf Hitler. Would that be OK? Let's say that there is an elseworld
where Diana met Hitler before he really got the holocaust going, Diana "reformed" him so instead of murdering 12 million, it was 800,000.
I don't think we would say that was OK, it would still offend our sensibilities. You can substitute any number of evil tyrants. Josef Stalin,
who murdered 20 million human beings, Mao Zedong an untold number.
Now I know that this is comics, fun and games, so we shouldn't think about the world life comparisons too much. But the other part of
this is what this says about Diana. It cheapens her, by making her simply someone who is some magic potion to "redeem" male characters.
It suggests that in the right situation she would align herself with someone who doesn't share her moral values. Diana's great appeal
has always been an ethical component, that gets thrown away.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, this is way I say people really should be careful with what they wish for when it comes to asking for Diana to act as a rehabilitative character. Because with the way a lot of redemption arcs are written these days, we can easily get insulting stories like this one.
[QUOTE=Agent Z;5769225]Yeah, this is way I say people really should be careful with what they wish for when it comes to asking for Diana to act as a rehabilitative character. Because with the way a lot of redemption arcs are written these days, we can easily get insulting stories like this one.[/QUOTE]
Wheather Diana rehabilitates villains has had no impact on her smooching them, look to [I]Earth 2[/I] and Sephenwolfe as an example. And this is the only story I remember where she’s romantic with a reformed villain. Most of her villains are women after all and DC seems shy about her kiss a lady in panel (not that I think she should make out with a reformed villainess either.)
And honestly, this story felt like they wanted to make an homage to [I]Superfriends[/I] (which they do in the DCAU [I][B]a lot[/B][/I]) and worked Diana rehabilitating Darksied as a plot point to get them to kiss. Basically, the rehabilitation was structured around the romances and not the cause of it.