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Where is Donna Troy!?
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Where is Donna Troy!?
[QUOTE=Psy-lock;5777380]Where is Donna Troy!?[/QUOTE]
I had the same thoughts. Donna and Cassie better not be excluded from the actual event.
[QUOTE=Psy-lock;5777380]Where is Donna Troy!?[/QUOTE]
Don't forget Cassie too.
[QUOTE=Psy-lock;5777380]Where is Donna Troy!?[/QUOTE]
I guess it's just including the "main" Wonder Women.
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[QUOTE=Sebastianne;5777426]Absolutely
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I don't have faith that they'll have a substantial role if they can't even be featured on the art.
Patty confirmed again that she is directing Wonder Woman 3. Unfortunately, there was no mention of an Amazons film, so that may be shelved.
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Goddamn, Bartel is a talent. Shame about Cassie and Donna.
[QUOTE=PopQuezy;5777530]Patty confirmed again that she is directing Wonder Woman 3. Unfortunately, there was no mention of an Amazons film, so that may be shelved.[/QUOTE]
GIVE ME CIRCE AND GIGANTA, PATTY! DO IT!
[QUOTE=Sebastianne;5777426]Absolutely
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That's good to hear.
[QUOTE=Primal Slayer;5777506]I don't have faith that they'll have a substantial role if they can't even be featured on the art.[/QUOTE]
The pic only shows the head of state and the primary representative of each Amazon Tribe though. Cassie not an Amazon and Donna is technically outranked here.
[QUOTE=Guy_McNichts;5777158]I figure she appears midway through the story to tell the Squad what happened to the League and maybe give them some critical clue to defeating Brainiac or, more likely, tell them where to find Batman and he'll have the key to saving the day.
Then Superman will bust in, and Diana will sacrifice herself fighting him so the Squad can escape.
She'll lose of course, because as we all know, whenever there's an "evil Superman" story, one of two things will happen to Diana:
a) she'll be just as evil and for less reason
b) she gets crushed by him with ease
So we might get a one-two punch of Wonder Woman getting her ass kicked by Superman before she gets her ass kicked as a boss for the Squad. Fantastic.
They could've just made a Suicide Squad game. But nooooo...we need to flog the "evil Superman" horse some more and drag the rest of the Justice League down, too.
Just once, as tired as we all are of it, I would like to see an "evil Supes" story that ends with Wonder Woman saying: "Yeah, my Lasso saw right through that, and between me, Shazam, Martian Manhunter, and about a dozen other guys, we handled that pretty quick."[/QUOTE]
I bet what yiu say will happen. DC always loves to find ways to show WW being a helpless ant next to superman.
With no animated series
No movie
No DTV
No live action series
There will be no main WW coverage outside of comics in 2022.
[QUOTE=Guy_McNichts;5777158]I figure she appears midway through the story to tell the Squad what happened to the League and maybe give them some critical clue to defeating Brainiac or, more likely, tell them where to find Batman and he'll have the key to saving the day.
Then Superman will bust in, and Diana will sacrifice herself fighting him so the Squad can escape.
She'll lose of course, because as we all know, whenever there's an "evil Superman" story, one of two things will happen to Diana:
a) she'll be just as evil and for less reason
b) she gets crushed by him with ease
So we might get a one-two punch of Wonder Woman getting her ass kicked by Superman before she gets her ass kicked as a boss for the Squad. Fantastic.
They could've just made a Suicide Squad game. But nooooo...we need to flog the "evil Superman" horse some more and drag the rest of the Justice League down, too.
Just once, as tired as we all are of it, I would like to see an "evil Supes" story that ends with Wonder Woman saying: "Yeah, my Lasso saw right through that, and between me, Shazam, Martian Manhunter, and about a dozen other guys, we handled that pretty quick."[/QUOTE]
The DCUO tie-in comic had something like that! But I’m pretty sure if Diana isn’t mind controlled from the start it will go down like you said. God I’m so sick of this storyline.
[QUOTE=Primal Slayer;5777779]With no animated series
No movie
No DTV
No live action series
There will be no main WW coverage outside of comics in 2022.[/QUOTE]
They didn't mention the GL HBO series or either big Superman project we know they're working on. They're clearly holding back some announcements.
I live in hope. There's something WW coming down the pipeline.
If nothing else, it seems in [I]Suicide Squad: Kill the Justice League[/I], Diana will be the Squad's idea for how to stop Superman so it's possible she gets a good showing there. It'd be nice if she's the one to force him to his senses, though it's also likely they dunk on both Diana and Clark given both their video game histories.
My hope is that, as the Spirit of Truth, she breaks free and the Squad quickly realize she's their way of stopping the Justice League, teaming up with her. I assume they'll let the player decide to kill/pacify the JL, with Diana being the voice of reason to spare them. That's my hope.
[QUOTE=Robanker;5777838]They didn't mention the GL HBO series or either big Superman project we know they're working on. They're clearly holding back some announcements.
I live in hope. There's something WW coming down the pipeline.
If nothing else, it seems in [I]Suicide Squad: Kill the Justice League[/I], Diana will be the Squad's idea for how to stop Superman so it's possible she gets a good showing there. It'd be nice if she's the one to force him to his senses, though it's also likely they dunk on both Diana and Clark given both their video game histories.
My hope is that, as the Spirit of Truth, she breaks free and the Squad quickly realize she's their way of stopping the Justice League, teaming up with her. I assume they'll let the player decide to kill/pacify the JL, with Diana being the voice of reason to spare them. That's my hope.[/QUOTE]
Superman will still have an animated series and live action series, batman will have an animated series and live action movie. I know GL hasnt really had much compared to any other hero but I expect WW to be a constant solo wise somehow outside of comics.
[QUOTE=Primal Slayer;5777779]With no animated series
No movie
No DTV
No live action series
There will be no main WW coverage outside of comics in 2022.[/QUOTE]
That's a feature of DC, not a bug.
[QUOTE=Primal Slayer;5777852]Superman will still have an animated series and live action series, batman will have an animated series and live action movie. I know GL hasnt really had much compared to any other hero but I expect WW to be a constant solo wise somehow outside of comics.[/QUOTE]
I think I'm beat down from decades of DC treating her like shit, but a movie in the rear view mirror that's less than a year old and event in the comics during the best run she's had in a long time is good enough for me to not think she's getting dunked on.
You're not wrong, to be sure, but when you're used to crumbs, getting scraps feels like a banquet.
As a Superman fan I look at what Batman gets and am jealous. How come he gets all this stuff like video games that my guy doesn’t get? Yet Supes has it better right now than everyone else at DC [B]except[/B] Batman. WW fans look at Bats and Supes and get jealous. But compare yourselves to Green Arrow who only a little while ago was a hot property at DC. He had a hugely popular TV show, he had a great ongoing comic under Percy, he was getting stuff. Now? Now Arrow fans have [B]nothing[/B]. Another case: Hal Jordan. Within the last decade Hal and the GL franchise went from competing with Batman as the top comic franchise to where they are now. They had animated movies and a cartoon! They had events and a “Family” of books! Now there’s a single GL book and it stars John. We fans of the Trinity have it waaaaaay better than anyone outside the Trinity. Not saying your grievances aren’t justified, it’s bullshit that Harley has a cartoon before Wondy, but it’s still pretty good for a non-Bat franchise at DC.
[QUOTE=Robanker;5778037]I think I'm beat down from decades of DC treating her like shit, but a movie in the rear view mirror that's less than a year old and event in the comics during the best run she's had in a long time is good enough for me to not think she's getting dunked on.
You're not wrong, to be sure, but when you're used to crumbs, getting scraps feels like a banquet.[/QUOTE]
That's still nothing. Specially with a poorly writen and directed movie like WW84, that did WW and specially Cheetah no favor. An injustice movie where SM put her in her place in one heat vision blast. A suicide squad game that will probably be the same way. No cartoon after 80 years. I can't even think about poor Cheetah in the catwoman movie. How are they gonna explain a human fighting somebody that can take hits from WW and cause flash some trouble with her speed? I am almost certain jobbing Cheetah will be the case again. Only good thging recently was WW 780, i didn't like the part where she struggled to lift a boat though, but since they mentioned multiple times that she was tired, i guess i can give them a pass.
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Technically speaking, Bartel is amazing, but boy, this pic brings home a point I have always hated about comics art: artists don't know how to (or don't care to) draw non-white women to look like...non-white women. Ugh. There is zero difference in their faces. Basically, 5 white women with two of them "painted" in darker tones.
[QUOTE=HestiasHearth;5778229]Technically speaking, Bartel is amazing, but boy, this pic brings home a point I have always hated about comics art: artists don't know how to (or don't care to) draw non-white women to look like...non-white women. Ugh. There is zero difference in their faces. Basically, 5 white women with two of them "painted" in darker tones.[/QUOTE]
To paraphrase George Perez: Sameface is for deadlines.
She did a great job with hair texture, but I want to assume if we got a closer image of them, we'd see more distinct facial features. Zooming in, Nubia's features are soft, but they aren't a white woman's per se.
[QUOTE=Gaius;5777110]Giving it's Suicide Squad (so it will be bad) [/QUOTE]
It's made by Rocksteady, so it will be the opposite of bad.
It would be good for the Suicide Squad who are the main characters of this. I don't think any of the other non SS related characters will get a flattering depiction in this.
[QUOTE=Primal Slayer;5777779]With no animated series
No movie
No DTV
No live action series
There will be no main WW coverage outside of comics in 2022.[/QUOTE]
No solo feature but she is still going to show up in DC Superhero Girls.
[QUOTE=John Venus;5779076]No solo feature but she is still going to show up in DC Superhero Girls.[/QUOTE]
Meh, not good enough for me.
[QUOTE=Primal Slayer;5779093]Meh, not good enough for me.[/QUOTE]
That show is pretty great. I don't watch it regularly but I absolutely can respect the quality of it.
Ey guys, I see the Golden Age omnibuses are about to be out of stock on Amazon. Does someone now if DC is going to put more items? They don't clarify it on the page...
[QUOTE=Robanker;5779230]That show is pretty great. I don't watch it regularly but I absolutely can respect the quality of it.[/QUOTE]
It is enjoyable but its a cop out for solo series.
[QUOTE=Primal Slayer;5779499]It is enjoyable but its a cop out for solo series.[/QUOTE]
Agreed entirely. I want it in addendum to a solo project. I adore [I] Batman the Brave and the Bold[/I], but I'd be lying if I said I wouldn't long for a solo show as well if I didn't have BTAS to fall back on.
WWTAS is sorely needed, but I worry we're more likely to see her show up in a later season of MaWS (not as competition for Clark's affections, but as a friend I'd hope) then her own thing.
I really want to be wrong and see her get her own show. If She-Ra could find an audience for five seasons, Wonder Woman would have no trouble at all.
It's sad. Diana has everything needed to become a trailer blazer. Instead we are seeing Korra, She-Ra, Steven Universe and Captain Marvel starting race past her.
[QUOTE=John Venus;5780285]It's sad. Diana has everything needed to become a trailer blazer. Instead we are seeing Korra, She-Ra, Steven Universe and Captain Marvel starting race past her.[/QUOTE]
I've never seen any of these other I.P.s be called iconic, none have 80 years worth of history, none have partnered with the U.N., and none have made the top 10 for merchandising sales on their name alone like Wonder Woman did in 2017, and none have had the number one costume like Wonder Woman, and none had magazine articles dedicated to their social impact by Smithsonian Magazine like Wonder Woman.
I agree that I want a Wonder Woman cartoon, but those other I.P.s have a long way to go before we can realistically say they've surpassed her.
[QUOTE=John Venus;5780285]It's sad. Diana has everything needed to become a trailer blazer. Instead we are seeing Korra, She-Ra, Steven Universe and Captain Marvel starting race past her.[/QUOTE]
Part of being the OG is being replaced by the newer, hipper models. You never go away completely because you have that vintage OG allure, but the new hotness always steals your thunder. Sucks, but people are fickle.
[QUOTE=John Venus;5780285]It's sad. [B]Diana has everything needed to become a trailer blazer.[/B] Instead we are seeing Korra, She-Ra, Steven Universe and Captain Marvel starting race past her.[/QUOTE]
...she is a trail blazer for female superhero movies. :p
As for female action cartoons, [I]agh[/I] the early 2000's had so many [I][B]good[/B][/I] ones! Original IP's that weren't spin-offs of male lead franchises, that stood on their own completely!
I'm talking [I]Kim Possible, Totally Spies, My Life as a Teenage Robot, Powerpuff Girls[/I]! That was the golden age for female lead action cartoons.
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[QUOTE=I'm a Fish;5780501]...she is a trail blazer for female superhero movies. :p
As for female action cartoons, [I]agh[/I] the early 2000's had so many [I][B]good[/B][/I] ones! Original IP's that weren't spin-offs of male lead franchises, that stood on their own completely!
I'm talking [I]Kim Possible, Totally Spies, My Life as a Teenage Robot, Powerpuff Girls[/I]! That was the golden age for female lead action cartoons.
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Haha, I loved all 4 of those shows and now I feel old!
[QUOTE=PopQuezy;5780341]I've never seen any of these other I.P.s be called iconic, none have 80 years worth of history, none have partnered with the U.N., and none have made the top 10 for merchandising sales on their name alone like Wonder Woman did in 2017, and none have had the number one costume like Wonder Woman, and none had magazine articles dedicated to their social impact by Smithsonian Magazine like Wonder Woman.
I agree that I want a Wonder Woman cartoon, but those other I.P.s have a long way to go before we can realistically say they've surpassed her.[/QUOTE]
I love Diana but DC is just coasting off of her name and arent doing anything to elevate her more. She is famous because of her overall message but ask anyone to name a WW story and they probably wouldnt be able to tell you.
[QUOTE=Primal Slayer;5780529]I love Diana but DC is just coasting off of her name and arent doing anything to elevate her more. She is famous because of her overall message but ask anyone to name a WW story and they probably wouldnt be able to tell you.[/QUOTE]
Are we strictly talking about comic book stories? If so, how many people can tell you a Captain Marvel story? Realistically, how many people can tell you a Superman story? Hell, I'll even put in the most successful comic characters like Spider-Man and Batman. Most people don't read comics, and if we look at the statistics for who are buying comics, it paints a pretty small, aging, white, and male audience. Of course, as comic fans, we already know this.
If we're expanding to outside media, my mother was a huge Wonder Woman 77 fan, and she talked to me at length about her favorite Wonder Woman episodes as a kid when the Wonder Woman film was releasing. Speaking of, there are two films people can speak about at length regardless of how they feel about said films. Also, DC "aren't doing anything to elevate her more" but they just announced a Serena Williams partnership, a clothing line with Venus Williams, she was recently added to Fortnite, they announced a partnership with Dove, announced a Tik Tok challenge that is an homage to the 77 series, yet again reconfirmed a third film with Patty and Gal, and a jewelry collection at Zales. We're also discussing this very week about Trial of the Amazons which will be an event that centers the Wonder verse in 2022.
I'm honestly not certain how we can look at that and say that D.C. is "coasting."
[QUOTE=I'm a Fish;5780501]...she is a trail blazer for female superhero movies. :p
As for female action cartoons, [I]agh[/I] the early 2000's had so many [I][B]good[/B][/I] ones! Original IP's that weren't spin-offs of male lead franchises, that stood on their own completely!
I'm talking [I]Kim Possible, Totally Spies, My Life as a Teenage Robot, Powerpuff Girls[/I]! That was the golden age for female lead action cartoons.
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[QUOTE=Shimbo;5780519]Haha, I loved all 4 of those shows and now I feel old![/QUOTE]
I got grey hairs just being reminded of those shows. :p
[QUOTE=I'm a Fish;5780501]...she is a trail blazer for female superhero movies. :p
As for female action cartoons, [I]agh[/I] the early 2000's had so many [I][B]good[/B][/I] ones! Original IP's that weren't spin-offs of male lead franchises, that stood on their own completely!
[B]I'm talking [I]Kim Possible, Totally Spies, My Life as a Teenage Robot, Powerpuff Girls[/I]! [/B]That was the golden age for female lead action cartoons.
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Oh man, those were my childhood...
[QUOTE=Gaius;5780571]I got grey hairs just being reminded of those shows. :p[/QUOTE]
I just plain have them. Hurray, stress. :p
[QUOTE=Shimbo;5780519]Haha, I loved all 4 of those shows and now I feel old![/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=I'm a Fish;5780501]...she is a trail blazer for female superhero movies. :p
As for female action cartoons, [I]agh[/I] the early 2000's had so many [I][B]good[/B][/I] ones! Original IP's that weren't spin-offs of male lead franchises, that stood on their own completely!
I'm talking [I]Kim Possible, Totally Spies, My Life as a Teenage Robot, Powerpuff Girls[/I]! That was the golden age for female lead action cartoons.
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[QUOTE=Frontier;5780576]Oh man, those were my childhood...[/QUOTE]
*Shakes cane at the young people*
Most those are pretty much one minute after my time, but that's a good point. Luckily, the continued success of animation aimed at young women has proven the audience is there, so with some luck we'll get a WW animated project in the next few years.
I just want to see it before I die from all this cane shaking.
[QUOTE=PopQuezy;5780567]Are we strictly talking about comic book stories? If so, how many people can tell you a Captain Marvel story? Realistically, how many people can tell you a Superman story? Hell, I'll even put in the most successful comic characters like Spider-Man and Batman. Most people don't read comics, and if we look at the statistics for who are buying comics, it paints a pretty small, aging, white, and male audience. Of course, as comic fans, we already know this.
If we're expanding to outside media, my mother was a huge Wonder Woman 77 fan, and she talked to me at length about her favorite Wonder Woman episodes as a kid when the Wonder Woman film was releasing. Speaking of, there are two films people can speak about at length regardless of how they feel about said films. Also, DC "aren't doing anything to elevate her more" but they just announced a Serena Williams partnership, a clothing line with Venus Williams, she was recently added to Fortnite, they announced a partnership with Dove, announced a Tik Tok challenge that is an homage to the 77 series, yet again reconfirmed a third film with Patty and Gal, and a jewelry collection at Zales. We're also discussing this very week about Trial of the Amazons which will be an event that centers the Wonder verse in 2022.
I'm honestly not certain how we can look at that and say that D.C. is "coasting."[/QUOTE]
Wonder Woman in general. The public knows far more about all those that you mentioned, especially Spiderman and Superman because they've been in their lives forever in various media. They can look back to Spiderman and his amazing friends or maybe Spiderman TAS got them hooked, or the OG films.
Wonder Woman is mostly related to Lynda Carter and they just now get to relate her to Gal but even during BvS so many tried to call her q Xena ripoff. They probably can't name a WW villain outside of Ares.
If you think that she's on the same level as Superman/Spiderman/Batman.....well we'll have to disagree.