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[QUOTE=mystical41;5506875]Sup took a nuke while weakened in new 52 along with WW. Who had to be protected with his cape.
She only stopped Doomsday Superman for a moment. Not much more than that. And even in the so called God Mode. She says she can't be in outter space for long. Being a God hasn't done much for WW these past years. She is hyped a lot, but the actual results show her more as just a super human than an actual God.[/QUOTE]
IDK why she couldn't be in space, that was dumb. It got retconned pretty quick though.
I mean, who cares how long she stopped him, she still stopped him and saved people and Superman.
She took down a supercharged Supergirl recently too.
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I'm sorry if anyone has been disappointed.
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[QUOTE=I'm a Fish;5506841]Power Princess is also evil...
Diana did stuff in Nu52 as well, she battled kryptonians and scared away a Doomsday Superman.
post-crisis pulled the Earth along with Sups and MM, blocked projectiles that were so fast they could travel across the universe in seconds. That's the stuff I'm remembering off the top of my head.
oh and she big banged the universe :p[/QUOTE]
I know she's evil but I don't enjoy her for her personality, I mean as in even Marvel will casually hype up Power Princess as a serious powerhouse because they can and it seems like they put their money where their mouth is. I read Jane Thor and was like "wow this could have been casual Diana from day one", instead we get writers like Fontana, Robinson, GWW, and Tamaki that have her over shadowed and keep her at just about mid tier and don't give her serious challenges in villains. It's like your writing the premiere female hero, some one with all the power of Superman, I mean she's basically Captain America and Thor combined but way faster, and think about how boring the stories were and how limited she felt as a powerhouse.
Yeah those are impressive things, back in post-crisis she was handled somewhat well, Nu52 is a shadow of that form. Heck, I posted a RESPECT thread to show off what she use to be capable of. I mean you compare her moments with the list of frankly more consistent things other powerhouses have done and it's laughable, people call her "scaling woman" because she's incapable of doing those things on her own. She's always just measured up to someone else, her villains are usually lack luster in other books... actually even her own sometimes, and she doesn't really get to show her power without fighting another league member.
I'm reminded of that dumb thread made by one poster, that complained Diana lifted a large rock that the other league members couldn't, it was a click bait article in a story that ultimately lasted 2 issues and was a filler.
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[QUOTE=masterwitcher88;5507039]I know she's evil but I don't enjoy her for her personality, I mean as in even Marvel will casually hype up Power Princess as a serious powerhouse because they can and it seems like they put their money where their mouth is. I read Jane Thor and was like "wow this could have been casual Diana from day one", instead we get writers like Fontana, Robinson, GWW, and Tamaki that have her over shadowed and keep her at just about mid tier and don't give her serious challenges in villains. It's like your writing the premiere female hero, some one with all the power of Superman, I mean she's basically Captain America and Thor combined but way faster, and think about how boring the stories were and how limited she felt as a powerhouse.
Yeah those are impressive things, back in post-crisis she was handled somewhat well, Nu52 is a shadow of that form. Heck, I posted a RESPECT thread to show off what she use to be capable of. I mean you compare her moments with the list of frankly more consistent things other powerhouses have done and it's laughable, people call her "scaling woman" because she's incapable of doing those things on her own. She's always just measured up to someone else, her villains are usually lack luster in other books... actually even her own sometimes, and she doesn't really get to show her power without fighting another league member.
I'm reminded of that dumb thread made by one poster, that complained Diana lifted a large rock that the other league members couldn't, it was a click bait article in a story that ultimately lasted 2 issues and was a filler.[/QUOTE]
I edited that quote from earlier with some other stuff she's done as well.
I mean, I understand the frustration. Personally I'm not really upset about where she's at right now. I don't read much silver or bronze age comics, but in golden age just like every other hero, her power changed depending on the story.
One issue she can lasso the sun, the next issue she's calling a gorilla a tough opponent. She can run incredibly fast but can't catch Pricilla Rich.
It happened all the time in Post-Crisis too.
This isn't a Wonder Woman only situation either, it's every hero. Their powers have always been what is needed for the story.
(And a lot of heroes were a shadow of themselves in Nu52, but that's all in the past now.)
Plus Wonder Woman just defeated the most over-hyped villain that even fans of him were getting annoyed of, saved the multiverse, and got complimented by the Hands for how amazing she is... I'm not upset by that at all. And they say she's "ascended" which we still have yet to learn what that means exactly.
And I don't want people to take me liking where she's at right now (not counting her temporary Asgard nerf) it as me not wanting her to be able to do super powerful things, but, IDK, I see character change a lot in terms of power and I'm not going to get bogged down by it when I know she'll so something cool again.
As for Power Princess, she's part of a reality warping event so her "taking out the KiB" is going to be undone anyway. If she ever really did it at all.
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[QUOTE=masterwitcher88;5507039]I know she's evil but I don't enjoy her for her personality, I mean as in even Marvel will casually hype up Power Princess as a serious powerhouse because they can and it seems like they put their money where their mouth is. I read Jane Thor and was like "wow this could have been casual Diana from day one", instead we get writers like Fontana, Robinson, GWW, and Tamaki that have her over shadowed and keep her at just about mid tier and don't give her serious challenges in villains. It's like your writing the premiere female hero, some one with all the power of Superman, I mean she's basically Captain America and Thor combined but way faster, and think about how boring the stories were and how limited she felt as a powerhouse.
Yeah those are impressive things, back in post-crisis she was handled somewhat well, Nu52 is a shadow of that form. Heck, I posted a RESPECT thread to show off what she use to be capable of. I mean you compare her moments with the list of frankly more consistent things other powerhouses have done and it's laughable, people call her "scaling woman" because she's incapable of doing those things on her own. She's always just measured up to someone else, her villains are usually lack luster in other books... actually even her own sometimes, and she doesn't really get to show her power without fighting another league member.
I'm reminded of that dumb thread made by one poster, that complained Diana lifted a large rock that the other league members couldn't, it was a click bait article in a story that ultimately lasted 2 issues and was a filler.[/QUOTE]
Thing that got me about that JL story was no one, outside of WW circles, having a problem with the Amazons being portrayed as a bunch of man-haters again. :p
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[QUOTE=Gaius;5507134]Thing that got me about that JL story was no one, outside of WW circles, having a problem with the Amazons being portrayed as a bunch of man-haters again. :p[/QUOTE]
Oh yeah, Love how people ignore that part but made a fuss about Diana lifting a rock.
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[QUOTE=I'm a Fish;5507121]I edited that quote from earlier with some other stuff she's done as well.
I mean, I understand the frustration. Personally I'm not really upset about where she's at right now. I don't read much silver or bronze age comics, but in golden age just like every other hero, her power changed depending on the story.
One issue she can lasso the sun, the next issue she's calling a gorilla a tough opponent. She can run incredibly fast but can't catch Pricilla Rich.
It happened all the time in Post-Crisis too.
[B]This isn't a Wonder Woman only situation either, it's every hero. Their powers have always been what is needed for the story.
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(And a lot of heroes were a shadow of themselves in Nu52, but that's all in the past now.)
Plus Wonder Woman just defeated the most over-hyped villain that even fans of him were getting annoyed of, saved the multiverse, and got complimented by the Hands for how amazing she is... I'm not upset by that at all. And they say she's "ascended" which we still have yet to learn what that means exactly.
And I don't want people to take me liking where she's at right now (not counting her temporary Asgard nerf) it as me not wanting her to be able to do super powerful things, but, IDK, I see character change a lot in terms of power and I'm not going to get bogged down by it when I know she'll so something cool again.
As for Power Princess, she's part of a reality warping event so her "taking out the KiB" is going to be undone anyway. If she ever really did it at all.[/QUOTE]
But in WW's case. For the most part the stories of the last years basically need her fighting street levelers in many of the stories of her own book. And that is not a good look. Other powerhouses have not had it as bad as her in the last years. So it is about time to step up the game and be more consistent. Reading the adventures of a so called Goddess should feel epic and powerful. It shouldn't look like i'm reading spiderman or just a super human warrior woman out of all the countless that exist in that river.
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I wish that New52 E2 WW was able to get fleshed out a bit more. I liked that she was the first superhero, the gods designs were good.
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With DC Fandome II being announced, I have some hopes for the DCEU/HBO Max Wonderverse.
1. I hope we get confirmation of the Amazons movie. I'd rather it be a movie. I also hope Nubia can play a major role. (I wouldn't expect this at Fandome but I hope the Valkyries are the major villains).
2. I hope we get the announcement of an HBO Max Wonder Woman Animated series set in the present-day.
3. I hope we get an announcement that HBO Max picked up the Wonder Girl series starring Yara Flor with a 10-episode season.
Do you have any hopes - no matter how far-fetched - for the Wonderverse at Fandome.
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[QUOTE=PopQuezy;5512700]With DC Fandome II being announced, I have some hopes for the DCEU/HBO Max Wonderverse.
1. I hope we get confirmation of the Amazons movie. I'd rather it be a movie. I also hope Nubia can play a major role. (I wouldn't expect this at Fandome but I hope the Valkyries are the major villains).
2. I hope we get the announcement of an HBO Max Wonder Woman Animated series set in the present-day.
3. I hope we get an announcement that HBO Max picked up the Wonder Girl series starring Yara Flor with a 10-episode season.
Do you have any hopes - no matter how far-fetched - for the Wonderverse at Fandome.[/QUOTE]
I too hope for all of these things. Also a release year for WW3 would be nice.
But I am most doubtful about the animated series one, because WB is really weird about having the main character of a tv show also be the main character in one of there movies. And I don't know why.
But the Amazons movie, please DC pleeeeeese.
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[QUOTE=PopQuezy;5512700]With DC Fandome II being announced, I have some hopes for the DCEU/HBO Max Wonderverse.
1. I hope we get confirmation of the Amazons movie. I'd rather it be a movie. I also hope Nubia can play a major role. (I wouldn't expect this at Fandome but I hope the Valkyries are the major villains).
2. I hope we get the announcement of an HBO Max Wonder Woman Animated series set in the present-day.
3. I hope we get an announcement that HBO Max picked up the Wonder Girl series starring Yara Flor with a 10-episode season.
Do you have any hopes - no matter how far-fetched - for the Wonderverse at Fandome.[/QUOTE]
I imagine there will be something as part of the 80th Anniversary "Believe in Wonder" campaign since it will be in October (the same month as Diana's debut).
Probably another panel like the last one had with some WW young adult authors and the other one that had Carter, Jenkins, and Gadot.
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Man that Wonder Girl tv series would be so good. Still pissed off that they passed on the script. It was always a surprising that they considered a tv show for a character that hadn't even appeared yet, but it had so much potential.
I don't think we'll get a Wonder Woman animated show, but I could picture an animated show or movie about Justice League Dark, with Diana as the lead alongside Zatanna. Inspired by Tynion's run.
Above all else though, I just want a fresh new take on Holliday Girls and classic Etta. There is so much potential there to create a fanbase centered around that dynamic. Lot's of people that don't like superhero shows would be totally into Etta Candy and the Holliday Girls if DC just gave them a chance.
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[QUOTE=Alpha;5512741]Man that Wonder Girl tv series would be so good. Still pissed off that they passed on the script. It was always a surprising that they considered a tv show for a character that hadn't even appeared yet, but it had so much potential.
I don't think we'll get a Wonder Woman animated show, but I could picture an animated show or movie about Justice League Dark, with Diana as the lead alongside Zatanna. Inspired by Tynion's run.
[B]Above all else though, I just want a fresh new take on Holliday Girls and classic Etta. There is so much potential there to create a fanbase centered around that dynamic. Lot's of people that don't like superhero shows would be totally into Etta Candy and the Holliday Girls if DC just gave them a chance.[/B][/QUOTE]
Do you imagine this being a limited musical-comedy series? Just wondering what you're thinking, and that was the first thing that came to mind. If this is an HBO Max show, I could see Oscar Winner Jennifer Hudson as Etta Candy.
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[QUOTE=Gaius;5512713]I imagine there will be something as part of the 80th Anniversary "Believe in Wonder" campaign since it will be in October (the same month as Diana's debut).
[B]Probably another panel like the last one had with some WW young adult authors and the other one that had Carter, Jenkins, and Gadot[/B].[/QUOTE]
I didn't really think about books because they would easily get overshadowed by the movies, tvs shows, and video games. However, then I realize there is a book anouncement that could still get a ton of coverage:
A young-adult-themed series written by Stephenie Meyer about the Diana/Steve/Barbara Minerva dynamics. I could see that being as big as Twilght.
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[QUOTE=PopQuezy;5512806]I didn't really think about books because they would easily get overshadowed by the movies, tvs shows, and video games. However, then I realize there is a book anouncement that could still get a ton of coverage:
A young-adult-themed series written by Stephenie Meyer about the Diana/Steve/Barbara Minerva dynamics. I could see that being as big as Twilght.[/QUOTE]
"Hold on tight spider-monkey."
Wait, would Steve be the Bella or the Edward in this situation?
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[QUOTE=I'm a Fish;5512822]"Hold on tight spider-monkey."
[B]Wait, would Steve be the Bella or the Edward in this situation?[/B][/QUOTE]
Yes.
(10 characters)
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[QUOTE=masterwitcher88;5512904]Yes.
(10 characters)[/QUOTE]
Oh, so it's [B][I]that[/I][/B] kind of love triangle.
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[QUOTE=PopQuezy;5512700]With DC Fandome II being announced, I have some hopes for the DCEU/HBO Max Wonderverse.
1. I hope we get confirmation of the Amazons movie. I'd rather it be a movie. I also hope Nubia can play a major role. (I wouldn't expect this at Fandome but I hope the Valkyries are the major villains).
2. I hope we get the announcement of an HBO Max Wonder Woman Animated series set in the present-day.
3. I hope we get an announcement that HBO Max picked up the Wonder Girl series starring Yara Flor with a 10-episode season.
Do you have any hopes - no matter how far-fetched - for the Wonderverse at Fandome.[/QUOTE]
Let us pray. Id be in heaven if even 2 of those things came to fruition.
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[QUOTE=I'm a Fish;5512919]Oh, so it's [B][I]that[/I][/B] kind of love triangle.
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Diana is the Bella. Steve is the Edward. Barbara is the Jacob. The Team Diana/Steve vs. Team Diana/Barbara fights on social media would shut all the services down. lol
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[QUOTE=PopQuezy;5512787]Do you imagine this being a limited musical-comedy series? Just wondering what you're thinking, and that was the first thing that came to mind. If this is an HBO Max show, I could see Oscar Winner Jennifer Hudson as Etta Candy.[/QUOTE]
I'm not a fan of Etta Candy having brown skin. Etta was supposed to be a fat joke that was somehow trully empowering, and it's weird, but it worked. It's a weird line to walk, but it works. But when you portray her as an african american you start to talk an even more dangerous line of creating a double stereotype and trying to make it empowering.
I picture a Melissa Mccarthy as Etta Candy. Not so much her recent efforts, but her at the prime of her career. As Sookie in Gilmore Girls and later on in Bridesmaids. Almost like a female Jack Black but even more adorable, demented and feisty.
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Seriously, every single line that Melissa Mccarthy has in Bridesmaids is perfect for Etta Candy, and would be even better if she had a Diana to play off of, like an Alicia Keys type.
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[QUOTE=Primal Slayer;5511241]I wish that New52 E2 WW was able to get fleshed out a bit more. I liked that she was the first superhero, the gods designs were good.
[img]https://64.media.tumblr.com/83c1f6b5b8ddba0217eabbfc89ef5b43/tumblr_inline_p4mp7nof8o1r9o32o_640.jpg[/img][/QUOTE]
Yeah, I own a figure of this. It’s pretty good, would have liked this as her New 52 main continuity outfit.
I like the a-symmetrical gauntlet on the arm.
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I was really excited when that Etta Candy mini series was announced, only to become quite bummed out when it was dangled in front of me only to be yanked away.
Alot of fun stuff coming up, though it was not fun to have such a delightful premise dangled before me only for it to be yanked away.
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[QUOTE=Fuzzy Mittens;5513818]I was really excited when that Etta Candy mini series was announced, only to become quite bummed out when it was dangled in front of me only to be yanked away.
Alot of fun stuff coming up, though it was not fun to have such a delightful premise dangled before me only for it to be yanked away.[/QUOTE]
Yeah...
All we can do is cross our fingers it becomes a back-up for the main title.
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[QUOTE=I'm a Fish;5513819]Yeah...
All we can do is cross our fingers it becomes a back-up for the main title.[/QUOTE]
Give us Etta Candy the Candy Stripe~!
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I just remembered next month we are getting 4 Wonder books.
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[QUOTE=I'm a Fish;5521971]I just remembered next month we are getting 4 Wonder books.[/QUOTE]
Feels great doesn't it?
Wonder if this was how Green Lantern fans felt when Johns had four monthly books coming out for his favorite superhero
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[QUOTE=Fuzzy Mittens;5522202]Feels great doesn't it?
Wonder if this was how Green Lantern fans felt when Johns had four monthly books coming out for his favorite superhero[/QUOTE]
Feels great for my heart, feels terrible for my wallet. XD
No way am I gonna complain though, who knows how long it will last. I'm ready for all the fresh content.
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[QUOTE=I'm a Fish;5522249]Feels great for my heart, feels terrible for my wallet. XD
No way am I gonna complain though, who knows how long it will last. I'm ready for all the fresh content.[/QUOTE]
Maybe consider DC Universe Infinite? Its on a six month delay but worthwhile if you have wallet troubles
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[QUOTE=Fuzzy Mittens;5522357]Maybe consider DC Universe Infinite? Its on a six month delay but worthwhile if you have wallet troubles[/QUOTE]
I'm a collector so I get most of my comics at my local store.
But sometimes I buy doubles on digital so I can just read them whenever I want, guess I won't be doing that for a while though. :p
Although, with the prices going up, it probably wouldn't be a bad idea to get a DC Universe Infinite account, plus that way I can catch up on some older issues I haven't read yet.
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[QUOTE=Alpha;5512999]I'm not a fan of Etta Candy having brown skin. Etta was supposed to be a fat joke that was somehow trully empowering, and it's weird, but it worked. It's a weird line to walk, but it works. But when you portray her as an african american you start to talk an even more dangerous line of creating a double stereotype and trying to make it empowering.
I picture a Melissa Mccarthy as Etta Candy. Not so much her recent efforts, but her at the prime of her career. As Sookie in Gilmore Girls and later on in Bridesmaids. Almost like a female Jack Black but even more adorable, demented and feisty.[/QUOTE]
As a Black American, I have to agree. Speaking of which, was it ever explained why Etta became a black woman, and when did that happen?
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[QUOTE=Amazon Swordsman;5522605]As a Black American, I have to agree. Speaking of which, was it ever explained why Etta became a black woman, and when did that happen?[/QUOTE]
It happened in 2011 if I remember correctly, with New 52, she was much slimmer though. I don't think they ever said why it happened.
When Rebirth came, they altered her body type, but kept her ethnicity.
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[QUOTE=Amazon Swordsman;5522605]As a Black American, I have to agree. Speaking of which, was it ever explained why Etta became a black woman, and when did that happen?[/QUOTE]
This isn't an attack on you or [B]Alpha[/B], but this is a genuine and honest question. With representations like Adele, Melissa McCarthy, the body positivity movement, and an effort to show more body diversity in general, do we still need a "fat joke" to represent body empowerment? While I can understand why the original incarnation of Etta was needed at that moment in time, I would argue we've moved past needing that interpretation of Etta. Body empowerment today has evolved, and sadly, when white women are the only example of body empowerment, then the message is not as all-inclusive as some people may hope. White women - and white people - do not represent everyone. I know this is something that we as a society are coming to terms with, but it still needs to be said.
I'm indifferent to Etta's race, but I just wanted to ask that question as I'm open to your interpretations of the character.
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[QUOTE=PopQuezy;5522658]This isn't an attack on you or [B]Alpha[/B], but this is a genuine and honest question. With representations like Adele, Melissa McCarthy, the body positivity movement, and an effort to show more body diversity in general, do we still need a "fat joke" to represent body empowerment? While I can understand why the original incarnation of Etta was needed at that moment in time, I would argue we've moved past needing that interpretation of Etta. Body empowerment today has evolved, and sadly, when white women are the only example of body empowerment, then the message is not as all-inclusive as some people may hope. White women - and white people - do not represent everyone. I know this is something that we as a society are coming to terms with, but it still needs to be said.
I'm indifferent to Etta's race, but I just wanted to ask that question as I'm open to your interpretations of the character.[/QUOTE]
Fat jokes aren’t needed, and I understand Marston may have been a bit heavy handed with that stereotype however...Etta was race swapped to promote diversity in the body positivity movement?
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To be clear, whenever I speak of what Etta Candy should be (in contrast to what she has been for the majority of her stories) I am referring to her Golden Age conceptualization. While I would update the dialogue and the tone somewhat, I think the concept of Etta Candy as a feisty woman of action is actually still quite rare. The only film I can remember about a fat woman as an action hero is SPY (coincidentally with Melissa Mccarthy).
I mean, in Etta Candy's very first appearance Dr Poison is shooting a gun at Diana and Etta jumps out of nowhere and tackles Dr Maru, and then starts waving a baseball bat at her to intimidate her into putting herself behind bars. What other action hero do we have like that? I mean, Diana can totally handle herself but Etta always goes in first towards the bad guy like she's the one that will take down the bad guy, and a lot of times she actually suceeds.
We do have a lot of inspiring figures in other areas, but not in this particular one. Heck, there are only three over weight superheroes I can think of and two of them are joke characters (Faith from Valiant comics, Bouncing Boy and Big Bertha from Great Lakes Avengers). There are other overweight characters like Blob and Granny Goodness and Amanda Waller (most of the time), but none of them are heroes. And none of them are civillians that jump in front of the super powerful hero to defend the one that can lift elephants.
I understand your point about also having overweight representation for women of other ethnicities (heck, Amanda Waller has to struggle to stay fat) but the problem is that Etta is the typical strong black woman, except she is somewhat aloof and also loves food.
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[QUOTE=Alpha;5522705]To be clear, whenever I speak of what Etta Candy should be (in contrast to what she has been for the majority of her stories) I am referring to her Golden Age conceptualization. While I would update the dialogue and the tone somewhat, I think the concept of Etta Candy as a feisty woman of action is actually still quite rare. The only film I can remember about a fat woman as an action hero is SPY (coincidentally with Melissa Mccarthy).
I mean, in Etta Candy's very first appearance Dr Poison is shooting a gun at Diana and Etta jumps out of nowhere and tackles Dr Maru, and then starts waving a baseball bat at her to intimidate her into putting herself behind bars. What other action hero do we have like that? I mean, Diana can totally handle herself but Etta always goes in first towards the bad guy like she's the one that will take down the bad guy, and a lot of times she actually suceeds.
We do have a lot of inspiring figures in other areas, but not in this particular one. Heck, there are only three over weight superheroes I can think of and two of them are joke characters (Faith from Valiant comics, Bouncing Boy and Big Bertha from Great Lakes Avengers). There are other overweight characters like Blob and Granny Goodness and Amanda Waller (most of the time), but none of them are heroes. And none of them are civillians that jump in front of the super powerful hero to defend the one that can lift elephants.
I understand your point about also having overweight representation for women of other ethnicities (heck, Amanda Waller has to struggle to stay fat) but the problem is that Etta is the typical strong black woman, except she is somewhat aloof and also loves food.[/QUOTE]
Thank you. I better understand your point now.
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[QUOTE=Alpha;5522705]
I understand your point about also having overweight representation for women of other ethnicities (heck, Amanda Waller has to struggle to stay fat) but the problem is that Etta is the typical strong black woman, except she is somewhat aloof and also loves food.[/QUOTE]
That last point is where race becomes problematic. Because a well written character with those qualities can still be regarded as more than a stereotype, but Etta already has to walk some miles whenever she says she loves candy more than any man (specially in comic form where humor is kind of bidimensional and there's plenty of room for misinterpretation).
If writers have to focus on making this character tridimensional with all those qualities, and also make sure that she isn't hurting black representation, well I'm afraid they will just keep downplaying the more energetic parts of the character. It just seems like too much to ask.
But my solution would be to have Henrietta Candy marry Bethany Byrne and we end up with Etta Candy and Beth Candy as a married couple ("Beth" being the golden age Etta, while "Etta" being the rebirth version).
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[QUOTE=Alpha;5522722]That last point is where race becomes problematic. Because a well written character with those qualities can still be regarded as more than a stereotype, but Etta already has to walk some miles whenever she says she loves candy more than any man (specially in comic form where humor is kind of bidimensional and there's plenty of room for misinterpretation).
[B]If writers have to focus on making this character tridimensional with all those qualities, and also make sure that she isn't hurting black representation, well I'm afraid they will just keep downplaying the more energetic parts of the character. It just seems like too much to ask.
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But my solution would be to have Henrietta Candy marry Bethany Byrne and we end up with Etta Candy and Beth Candy as a married couple ("Beth" being the golden age Etta, while "Etta" being the rebirth version).[/QUOTE]
I would argue that's more because some people are just uncomfortable writing black people/characters. There are black body positivity characters that are also able to avoid those negative stereotypes. Context and tone matter, but actually being able to see that person as a human being matters, too.
I agree with you that there is an additional challenge in print form - the examples I can think of are on television and were specifically targeting a black, female audience unlike the mostly white, male audience of comic books - but it isn't impossible. However, if there isn't a writer comfortable enough to show a black person as a person, then it is best they just avoid the matter altogether. However, I do think it should be made clear that the "failure" - for lack of a better word right now - is on the writer and not the concept of the character or the race of the character.
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[QUOTE=PopQuezy;5522732]I do think it should be made clear that the "failure" - for lack of a better word right now - is on the writer and not the concept of the character or the race of the character.[/QUOTE]
Most definitely
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[QUOTE=Gaius;5367057][URL="https://www.comicsbeat.com/wonder-woman-80th-anniversary-funko-fair-reveals/"]Funko's announced a line of Wonder Woman figures for her 80th anniversary.[/URL]
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Pretty neat so far.
[IMG]https://i.imgur.com/XxRs7R5.jpg[/IMG]
