Yeah, the first incarnations of Wonder Woman that I came in contact with definitely didn't make me fall in love with her. Wonder Woman is a very ideological franchise, so my rules are always about what fits her ideology the best
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Yeah, the first incarnations of Wonder Woman that I came in contact with definitely didn't make me fall in love with her. Wonder Woman is a very ideological franchise, so my rules are always about what fits her ideology the best
[QUOTE=HsssH;6770179]Bleeding Cool ran a story about DC looking for new Batman editor and mentioned that #150 might get delayed due to Absolute Power event. Would be kinda crazy if WW's ongoing was also replaced by that Absolute Power tie-in.[/QUOTE]
Didn't they kill whatever momentum Dawn of DC had by hitting the breaks on it for that Williamson event last year? Why would they do that again with one of the only books they have that's selling well?
[B]Wonder Woman: All Of Her Love Interests In The Comics, Ranked[/B]
[url]https://www.cbr.com/wonder-woman-love-interests-relationships-ranked/[/url]
[QUOTE=Sebastianne;6770881][B]Wonder Woman: All Of Her Love Interests In The Comics, Ranked[/B]
[url]https://www.cbr.com/wonder-woman-love-interests-relationships-ranked/[/url][/QUOTE]
They really start it out w/Batwoman? Just because it would be a cool pairing.
Never change cbr
[QUOTE=Primal Slayer;6770895]They really start it out w/Batwoman? Just because it would be a cool pairing.
Never change cbr[/QUOTE]
At least they went with the clear choice for nr. 1 and not one of their surprise ranking list and have Batman or Superman be nr. 1.
[QUOTE=Sebastianne;6770881][B]Wonder Woman: All Of Her Love Interests In The Comics, Ranked[/B]
[url]https://www.cbr.com/wonder-woman-love-interests-relationships-ranked/[/url][/QUOTE]
No Artemis = garbage list
I still don't get the appeal of Artemis as a love interest. Diana doesn't need to date a "bad girl", she needs someone poetic. Diana admires creativity and care, rather than strength.
I like Artemis, but she is a much better love interest for someone else.
[QUOTE=Psy-lock;6771152]No Artemis = garbage list[/QUOTE]
I was gonna say I don't think they've ever been presented as a couple but then I remembered Morrison had them make out in Earth One.
[QUOTE=Alpha;6771258]I still don't get the appeal of Artemis as a love interest. Diana doesn't need to date a "bad girl", she needs someone poetic. Diana admires creativity and care, rather than strength.
I like Artemis, but she is a much better love interest for someone else.[/QUOTE]
I think that many people love that pairing due to its inherent contrast and dramatic potential. Part of me understands the appeal, but another part of me finds this contrast boring and clichéd at this point.
[QUOTE=Gaius;6770312][b]Didn't they kill whatever momentum Dawn of DC had by hitting the breaks on it for that Williamson event last year?[/b] Why would they do that again with one of the only books they have that's selling well?[/QUOTE]
Yes, yes they did. I’ll never understand that one. To add salt on the wound, said event wasn’t even good, lol
My theory is that most of the Dawn of DC books were released too early and creative teams needed couple of months to catch up with the schedule.
Been thinking about King's run and might be nothing but is the Outlaw/Sovereign arc trying to be King's attempt at a WW "Hush" storyline?
-New villain (Hush/Sovereign)
-Change in the status quo (Bruce revealing his identity to Selena, America vs. The Amazons)
-Cameo from Superman (issue #7)
-Showcase for the supporting characters/side heroes
-A run the villains gauntlet
-Carried very heavily by the art.
Yeah I guess so. What are the implications of that?
Hush is often mentioned as a good entry level story for Batman because it showcases lots of characters, is mostly standalone and has great art. So I guess implication is that this is expected to be entry level run for WW.
From what we have seen so far I would say it is a good entry level for WW. Shows some of her villains and they get explained fast and easy, shows Steve Trevor and the Wonder Girls with their personalities. The only thing yet is not a good showing for her pacifist/ambassador of peace side. But still that has come through here and there, but not like in a big way.
[QUOTE=HsssH;6775870]Hush is often mentioned as a good entry level story for Batman because it showcases lots of characters, is mostly standalone and has great art. So I guess implication is that this is expected to be entry level run for WW.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Skytten;6776273]From what we have seen so far I would say it is a good entry level for WW. Shows some of her villains and they get explained fast and easy, shows Steve Trevor and the Wonder Girls with their personalities. The only thing yet is not a good showing for her pacifist/ambassador of peace side. But still that has come through here and there, but not like in a big way.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, that's what I was getting at. Like I said, maybe I'm thinking too much but just something that occurred to me was I was reading through parts of Hush a few days ago.
[QUOTE=Gaius;6776633]Yeah, that's what I was getting at. Like I said, maybe I'm thinking too much but just something that occurred to me was I was reading through parts of Hush a few days ago.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, I agree with what you said. It was supposed to be a reply to you.
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[Quote]Zack Snyder Explains Scrapped Wonder Woman 1854 Story: ‘We Talked About It So Much’ – Exclusive
Wonder Woman 1854
By Ben Travis | Published35 Minutes Ago
Throughout the course of the DCEU, we saw Wonder Woman in a variety of environments – in her native home of Themiscyra with the Amazons; fighting through the battlefields of World War I with Steve Trevor; living in 1980s USA in Wonder Woman 1984; and battling alongside Batman and Superman in the present-day in Justice League. But, once upon a time, there was an idea to present a different kind of early Wonder Woman story – one that would have seen her fighting in the Crimean War in the 1800s. All that came of the possible project – dubbed ‘Wonder Woman 1854’ – was an image that Snyder shared on social media, with Gal Gadot’s Diana Prince surrounded by soldiers and… er, holding three severed heads.
In Empire’s major new interview with Snyder – in The Acolyte issue – we posed him your reader questions. And among them came up the topic of Wonder Woman 1854, and what it might have been. Allow Snyder himself to explain. “The idea of that was an early riff we were doing: once Wonder Woman left the island in search of Ares, what happened to her in her different incarnations?” he states. “My idea for it was that she would travel around the world looking for Ares and she would go to every place where there was conflict.”
The resulting story would have been a combination of love and war. “On those battlefields she found these lovers, warriors, and they would age out because she is immortal,” he elaborates. “They would be her lover for ten years or they might die in battle, and it was probably sad for a lot of the guys because they would see her starting to be nice to the next young soldier and be like, ‘Oh, I’m being replaced.’ But all the guys that she had with her were those loyal warriors she found on the battlefields all over the world.”
Ultimately, the story would have led Diana to Chris Pine’s Steve Trevor. “We talked about if Steve Trevor was there in Crimea,” Snyder confirms. Instead, Wonder Woman’s journey through the Snyder-verse took another path – but that one shot, from Stephen Berkman, remained. “It was never a screenplay, but we talked about it so much that it kind of had its own life.” There you have it: wonder no more.[/quote]
[url]https://www.empireonline.com/movies/news/wonder-woman-1854-zack-snyder-explains-scrapped-story-exclusive/[/url]
[quote]The resulting story would have been a combination of love and war. “On those battlefields she found these lovers, warriors, and they would age out because she is immortal,” he elaborates. “They would be her lover for ten years or they might die in battle, and it was probably sad for a lot of the guys because they would see her starting to be nice to the next young soldier and be like, ‘Oh, I’m being replaced.’ But all the guys that she had with her were those loyal warriors she found on the battlefields all over the world.”[/quote]
Literally barf.
[QUOTE=Nyssane;6777785]Literally barf.[/QUOTE]
Same.
It's basically a 12-year-old-fanboy fantasy; a badass warrior chick who f***s her fellow [male] warriors and decapitates her enemies (and then carries their severed heads with her like trophies).
I mean, isn't that the essence of who Wonder Woman is? [sarcasm]
Hack Snyder...fundamentally misunderstanding/misrepresenting superheroes since 2013.
So he wanted to make [I]Highlander[/I], but with an Amazon.
In fairness, that could make for an interesting one-off Elseworlds...ideally made with someone who has a better understanding of the character...but not the mainline Wonder Woman in what would've been her first live action movie.
And then you have some people here defending him.
(I do like the fact that Diana moves from place to place, exploring the world, but not to decapitate people, and the various people she would fall in love with would be people that create, not kill)
It's very in line w/Snyder wanting Bruce/Lois to hook up. Lois have his baby and Clark raise the baby after Bruce dies.
While never ideal...you at least want enough "faithful" adaptions of a character in any medium before trying something so extreme
And there's still cultists who cling to their conspiracy theory Snyder ghost directed Wonder Woman.
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[url]https://www.empireonline.com/movies/news/wonder-woman-1854-zack-snyder-explains-scrapped-story-exclusive/[/url][/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=Primal Slayer;6777993]It's very in line w/Snyder wanting Bruce/Lois to hook up. Lois have his baby and Clark raise the baby after Bruce dies.
While never ideal...you at least want enough "faithful" adaptions of a character in any medium before trying something so extreme[/QUOTE]
Apparently all of that came from Snyder's passion for the 80s movie Excalibur. He wanted to recreate the origin of Arthur, which has nothing to do with Superman or Batman
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[url]https://www.empireonline.com/movies/news/wonder-woman-1854-zack-snyder-explains-scrapped-story-exclusive/[/url][/QUOTE]
Im probably going to get angry after reading this, so I'll just ignore it's whole existence
[QUOTE=HestiasHearth;6777805]Same.
It's basically a 12-year-old-fanboy fantasy; a badass warrior chick who f***s her fellow [male] warriors and decapitates her enemies (and then carries their severed heads with her like trophies).
I mean, isn't that the essence of who Wonder Woman is? [sarcasm]
Hack Snyder...fundamentally misunderstanding/misrepresenting superheroes since 2013.[/QUOTE]
You said that!
...I mean....seriously?? How was that even considered as a storyline!?
I just don't understand how this accomplished grown man can have an idea like that and not immediately think "Hmmm...maybe this is not representative of the female experience at all, just my own narrow male point of view."
Cripes.
It fits with Snyder's whole obsession with presenting the heroes as "Gods unconnected to their humanity"
In this Diana is an immortal who takes an endless string of lovers like Aphrodite or something.
Snyder was better off with his own IP's (and even he can't really sell those properly).
[QUOTE=Guy_McNichts;6777830]So he wanted to make [I]Highlander[/I], but with an Amazon.
In fairness, that could make for an interesting one-off Elseworlds...ideally made with someone who has a better understanding of the character...but not the mainline Wonder Woman in what would've been her first live action movie.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, from the get go Snyder always felt more like he wanted to do Elseworlds versions of the characters. I mean his Batman is an even more extreme version than the TDKR one.
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[url]https://www.empireonline.com/movies/news/wonder-woman-1854-zack-snyder-explains-scrapped-story-exclusive/[/url][/QUOTE]
Can you scream “I’ve never read a Wonder Woman comic” any louder Snyder. :p
[QUOTE=Mantis-Ray;6778356]It fits with Snyder's whole obsession with presenting the heroes as "Gods unconnected to their humanity"
In this Diana is an immortal who takes an endless string of lovers like Aphrodite or something.[/QUOTE]
I honestly don’t know which is worse, the “never ending stream of lovers” plot or the “still hung up on Steve after 100 years” plot.
This attitude to Diana's sexuality is what makes me reticent for writers to approach it at all sometimes. There's a world wherein I think it would make so much sense to represent Diana as someone with a healthy sex life that is probably non-monogamous, but I sincerely doubt many writers could do that justice in a way that didn't devolve into something as immature as what Snyder was exploring.
You just know in the parallel universe where this played out there's Snyder fans combing through WW's entire publication history to find a comic panel they can take out of context to justify it, like they do with Batman and Superman.
[QUOTE=Gaius;6779402]You just know in the parallel universe where this played out there's Snyder fans combing through WW's entire publication history to find a comic panel they can take out of context to justify it, like they do with Batman and Superman.[/QUOTE]
They've already done that with the panels of her killing Deimos, Max Lord and Medusa to justify her killing the non-powered terrorists in the Snyder Cut.
[QUOTE=SiegePerilous02;6779599]They've already done that with the panels of her killing Deimos, Max Lord and Medusa to justify her killing the non-powered terrorists in the Snyder Cut.[/QUOTE]
lol. I'm so used to comic fans spamming that Max Lord panel trying to pretend it's a great moment I guess I've gotten numb to when Snyder fans latched on to it.
[QUOTE=AlexLyo;6779355]This attitude to Diana's sexuality is what makes me reticent for writers to approach it at all sometimes. There's a world wherein I think it would make so much sense to represent Diana as someone with a healthy sex life that is probably non-monogamous, but I sincerely doubt many writers could do that justice in a way that didn't devolve into something as immature as what Snyder was exploring.[/QUOTE]
I'm just going to repeat this with no changes and nothing to add because....yes, exactly.
Sad, but I'm right there with you.
Ok, so, seems like Absolute DC is coming this year, so it's asumed we'll have the mandatory Wonder Woman title there (unless DC goes crazy on the batmonopoly). I'm not very optimistic about the future of this project, but I guess we should have at least 100-200 new pages of a new elseworld Wonder Woman. So, I'm gonna start speculating with the authors I want/don't want writing a new Wonder Woman origin:
Authors I don't want near this:
-Frank Cho
-Scott Snyder
-Tini Howard
-Stephanie Philips
-Tom Taylor (ofc)
-Willow Wilson
Authors I do want:
-KELLY SUE DECONNICK, GODDAMNIT DC, MAKE IT HAPPEN
-Phil Jiménez
-Leah Williams
-Bruno Redondo
-Ram V
-Si Spurrier
For the rest, either I don't expect them (Greg Rucka) or I'm uncertain (Kelly Thompson) or I don't care/mind too much on either way (Waid/Mora). But I highly suspect this is going to be like 3-5 series, all focused on Batman and batfam characters.
Bleeding Cool claims it's going to be A-list creators, so I wouldn't worry about Howard or Phillips.