Wonder Woman - General Discussion

[QUOTE=Gaius;5594356]WW on the new WB Studios Tour Banner

[IMG]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E4V37U4UcAI5r5N?format=jpg&name=large[/IMG][/QUOTE]

The Snyderstan subsegment of the Twitterverse is so pissed at that banner. You should see all the virtual huffing and puffing because WB had the nerve (and the "disrespect") to include the DCEU's WW, Aquaman, and HQ but not Cavill's Superman and Affleck's Batman. These people truly do not understand that Robbie's Harley, Gadot's Wonder Woman, and Momoa's Aquaman are the three most popular characters to emerge from the DCEU, and that general audiences truly took to them, while Cavill and Affleck simply did not connect. And I am happy for that. It's good to have Diana beat Batman and Superman for a change.

[QUOTE=HestiasHearth;5595878]The Snyderstan subsegment of the Twitterverse is so pissed at that banner. You should see all the virtual huffing and puffing because WB had the nerve (and the "disrespect") to include the DCEU's WW, Aquaman, and HQ but not Cavill's Superman and Affleck's Batman. These people truly do not understand that Robbie's Harley, Gadot's Wonder Woman, and Momoa's Aquaman are the three most popular characters to emerge from the DCEU, and that general audiences truly took to them, while Cavill and Affleck simply did not connect. And I am happy for that. It's good to have Diana beat Batman and Superman for a change.[/QUOTE]

#ReleaseTheSnyderBillboard

[QUOTE=HestiasHearth;5595878]The Snyderstan subsegment of the Twitterverse is so pissed at that banner. You should see all the virtual huffing and puffing because WB had the nerve (and the "disrespect") to include the DCEU's WW, Aquaman, and HQ but not Cavill's Superman and Affleck's Batman. These people truly do not understand that Robbie's Harley, Gadot's Wonder Woman, and Momoa's Aquaman are the three most popular characters to emerge from the DCEU, and that general audiences truly took to them, while Cavill and Affleck simply did not connect. And I am happy for that. It's good to have Diana beat Batman and Superman for a change.[/QUOTE]

She didn't beat them, they're there front and center while she's looking off to the side with Aquaman. It's the wrong versions of them though and WB was very petty for replacing them.

[QUOTE=Koriand'r;5593958]I don't know that resume was ridiculous. Choking out Phoenix, beating Fin Fang Foom and the Destroyer, turning other big name enemies into stone, using the Siege Perilous and the Bifrost as weapons, it was a lot. Plus the Chain of Veracity and No Blade trump the Lasso of Truth and Diana's invisible jet. I don't like it at all.

Zarda is exactly why I don't want Hippolyta in purple like everyone else, it's too much like Power Princess. Though if she wore white and gold exclusively she'd be dressed like Marvel's Hippolyta so that's no bueno as well. As a DC fan it's easy to hate Marvel right now.[/QUOTE]

In fairness, most people don't know who Power Princess is and she's a pretty minor character in the Marvel universe. If anything, people are more likely to think Power Princess is ripping off Hippolyta in addition to Diana.:)

[QUOTE=Agent Z;5596419]In fairness, most people don't know who Power Princess is and she's a pretty minor character in the Marvel universe. If anything, people are more likely to think Power Princess is ripping off Hippolyta in addition to Diana.:)[/QUOTE]

That's simply not true, outside of WW fans most people don't know who Hippolyta is, especially being that her live action and comic iterations look vastly different.

In Wonder Woman 776 Diana visits Fairyland. Do you guys think there will be references to A Midsummer Night's Dream? I've never read it but doesn't it involve the marriage of Hippolyta and Theseus? (As well as fairies)

[QUOTE=Koriand'r;5597397]That's simply not true, outside of WW fans most people don't know who Hippolyta is, especially being that her live action and comic iterations look vastly different.[/QUOTE]

Not knowing who Hippolyta is and not knowing what she looks like in the comics are two different things. Even fewer people know who Power Princess is.

Like I said, Zarda is already a ripoff anyway.

[QUOTE=Koriand'r;5596171]She didn't beat them, they're there front and center while she's looking off to the side with Aquaman. It's the wrong versions of them though and WB was very petty for replacing them.[/QUOTE]

If WB was petty for replacing Cavill and Affleck with the two most beloved versions of Batman and Superman, I am glad they were. Cavill and Affleck did not captivate audiences like Gadot, Robbie, and Momoa did, let alone like Keaton and Reeve did. It is a proven fact. And the films in which Snyder's iterations of Batman and Superman debuted were both critically reviled box office underperformers.
WB did what they had to do.

[QUOTE=HestiasHearth;5597859]If WB was petty for replacing Cavill and Affleck with the two most beloved versions of Batman and Superman, I am glad they were. Cavill and Affleck did not captivate audiences like Gadot, Robbie, and Momoa did, let alone like Keaton and Reeve did. It is a proven fact. And the films in which Snyder's iterations of Batman and Superman debuted were both [B]critically reviled box office underperformers.[/B]
WB did what they had to do.[/QUOTE]

You may want to re-check that.

Either way, this is neither the time nor place for this conversation so maybe we can just drop it.

[QUOTE=HestiasHearth;5597859]If WB was petty for replacing Cavill and Affleck with the two most beloved versions of Batman and Superman, I am glad they were. Cavill and Affleck did not captivate audiences like Gadot, Robbie, and Momoa did, let alone like Keaton and Reeve did. It is a proven fact. And the films in which Snyder's iterations of Batman and Superman debuted were both critically reviled box office underperformers.
WB did what they had to do.[/QUOTE]

It was petty and disrespectful and something WB didn't [I]have[/I] to do. Either go with modernity or nostalgia but don't do both just to upset Snyder fans.

[QUOTE=Agent Z;5597845]Not knowing who Hippolyta is and not knowing what she looks like in the comics are two different things. Even fewer people know who Power Princess is.

Like I said, Zarda is already a ripoff anyway.[/QUOTE]
People keep thinking she’s WW every time they see her anyway lol. They’re not going to look at Hippolyta and think she’s “ripping off” Power Princess.

She’s on a bus in [I]The Flash[/I] movie.

[IMG]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E4QcEkAWEAE9jw_?format=jpg&name=small[/IMG]

[QUOTE=Koriand'r;5596171]She didn't beat them, they're there front and center while she's looking off to the side with Aquaman. It's the wrong versions of them though and WB was very petty for replacing them.[/QUOTE]

Superman and Batman are not in the center, Harley and the blank red board are at the center. Unless you are not counting the other 4 characters on the other side.

And if you are only looking at the DC side, then only Batman is at the center while Wonder Woman and Superman are in the same position with Harley and Aquaman being last.

Honestly, I'm more annoyed at the visual imbalance of four HP characters and five DC characters. :p

[QUOTE=Gaius;5602019]Honestly, I'm more annoyed at the visual imbalance of four HP characters and five DC characters. :p[/QUOTE]

Yeah, Voldemort deserves to be up there. He’s BFF’s with Harley’s boyfriend the Joker, I see them hanging in the Villian’s Pub all the time! :p

[QUOTE=Gitagon;5602011]Superman and Batman are not in the center, Harley and the blank red board are at the center. Unless you are not counting the other 4 characters on the other side.

And if you are only looking at the DC side, then only Batman is at the center while Wonder Woman and Superman are in the same position with Harley and Aquaman being last.[/QUOTE]

Uhhhmmm I was talking about how they're facing in their individual pictures, but thank you for overanalyzing the entire billboard for us.

It always annoys me that DC ensures that there is a Bat or Super representation in this big specials yet in Infinite Frontier, there is no Wonder representation on this new team.

Where was the Superman representation?

[QUOTE=Alpha;5605725]Where was the Superman representation?[/QUOTE]

President Superman is literally...Supermans representation and leads the team.

You didn't specify what you were talking about. I thought you meant the Asian Festival and the Pride Special.

[QUOTE=Alpha;5605774]You didn't specify what you were talking about. I thought you meant the Asian Festival and the Pride Special.[/QUOTE]

Infinite Frontier is literally the title of Infinite Frontier #1 lol but i'' give in that there are a lot of IF specials.

It's also the new branding for this era. And Infinite Frontier isn't a special, it's a limited series.

Anyway I agree that Justice Incarnate should have a WW character. Who do you think should be there?

Random question, what exactly did Diana do to be dismissed from Olympus after becoming the goddess of truth??

[QUOTE=Amazon Swordsman;5606489]Random question, what exactly did Diana do to be dismissed from Olympus after becoming the goddess of truth??[/QUOTE]

They told her she couldn't do anything to interfere in the world of man as Goddess of Truth except to answer specific prayers made to her, but she kept meddling anyway. However it's not like there was an Olympic newsletter or something sent out to let worshippers know there was a new member of the pantheon so no one knew to pray to her.

Because of that the gods gave her the choice between being an immortal goddess or a human with powers, we all know that she chose.
That was the first thing Eric Luke did as soon as he started his run.

[QUOTE=Koriand'r;5606628]They told her she couldn't do anything to interfere in the world of man as Goddess of Truth except to answer specific prayers made to her, but she kept meddling anyway. However it's not like there was an Olympic newsletter or something sent out to let worshippers know there was a new member of the pantheon so no one knew to pray to her.[/QUOTE]

That’s pretty interesting, and it’s something that doesn’t seem to be referenced much. I’d like it to be revisited in some way.

[QUOTE=Amazon Swordsman;5606674]That’s pretty interesting, and it’s something that doesn’t seem to be referenced much. I’d like it to be revisited in some way.[/QUOTE]

Bryne’s WW run isn’t mentioned much in general. I think the Goddess of Truth moment is the only part activity referenced.

[QUOTE=I'm a Fish;5606691]Bryne’s WW run isn’t mentioned much in general. I think the Goddess of Truth moment is the only part activity referenced.[/QUOTE]

Well Byrne did give us a new Wonder Girl in Cassie, a new Golden Age Wonder Woman in Hippolyta, the discarded mirror twin origin for Donna and a new invisible jet. He also merged the Greek gods with their Roman counterparts and that's part of Cloonan and Conrad's current storyline.

He worked hard to include various members of the Wonder Woman Family and that hasn't been done to his extent since Jimenez. In hindsight his run was pretty good in the grand scheme of things.

[QUOTE=Koriand'r;5606716]Well Byrne did give us a new Wonder Girl in Cassie, a new Golden Age Wonder Woman in Hippolyta, the discarded mirror twin origin for Donna and a new invisible jet. He also merged the Greek gods with their Roman counterparts and that's part of Cloonan and Conrad's current storyline.

He worked hard to include various members of the Wonder Woman Family and that hasn't been done to his extent since Jimenez. In hindsight his run was pretty good in the grand scheme of things.[/QUOTE]

We got a golden age wonder woman which demoted Diana to a legacy character.

[QUOTE=Koriand'r;5606716]Well Byrne did give us a new Wonder Girl in Cassie, a new Golden Age Wonder Woman in Hippolyta, the discarded mirror twin origin for Donna and a new invisible jet. He also merged the Greek gods with their Roman counterparts and that's part of Cloonan and Conrad's current storyline.

He worked hard to include various members of the Wonder Woman Family and that hasn't been done to his extent since Jimenez. In hindsight his run was pretty good in the grand scheme of things.[/QUOTE]

I forgot Cassie showed up in his run. :p

When I joined this forum - and that was before the Nu52 hit - mentioning John Bryne's run on here was like throwing a verbal incendiary bomb on a thread. I think Hippolyta as the Golden Age Wonder Woman was a sticking point for many people. A significant number of posters seem to consider his run a low point before the 'daughter of Zeus' nonsense happened.

It was odd to me because I love the Goddess of Truth stuff and how he did the Wonder Family. Diana, Artemis, Donna, Cassie and even including Etrigan as a supporting character in his run.

[QUOTE=Alpha;5605968]It's also the new branding for this era. And Infinite Frontier isn't a special, it's a limited series.

Anyway I agree that Justice Incarnate should have a WW character. Who do you think should be there?[/QUOTE]

Wasn't the person asked but I'll answer anyway because now that it's been brought to my attention I can't unsee that Wonder representation is missing. (Knowing DC they probably think Mary Marvel is the Wonder representative.) Though it seems Flashpoint Batman isn't part of Justice Incarnate just a free agent because of course he is.

Anyway, considering she appears in one of the "world teases" when Barry runs through the omniverse, I'd say Maria Mendoza (Earth-6) should be on the team or at least play a bigger role in the limited series.

Fury/Donna (Earth 2) would also be interesting. Especially because she belongs to a world that had "fixed" itself the last time we saw it.

[QUOTE=John Venus;5607167]When I joined this forum - and that was before the Nu52 hit - mentioning John Bryne's run on here was like throwing a verbal incendiary bomb on a thread. I think Hippolyta as the Golden Age Wonder Woman was a sticking point for many people. A significant number of posters seem to consider his run a low point before the 'daughter of Zeus' nonsense happened.

It was odd to me because I love the Goddess of Truth stuff and how he did the Wonder Family. Diana, Artemis, Donna, Cassie and even including Etrigan as a supporting character in his run.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, Azzarello quickly made it clear that the runs that came before his weren't as bad as they were thought to be originally. Even the worst of the worst didn't have stone-aged sex pirate Amazons and adultery in Diana's backstory.

I wouldn't list the mirror twin origin as a high point for Byrne's run.

While I greatly dislike the Azzarello run, I hesitate to call it the worst WW run. It might be in the top five but not number one.

[QUOTE=Agent Z;5607499]I wouldn't list the mirror twin origin as a high point for Byrne's run.[/QUOTE]

It's still better than having no relation to Wonder Woman whatsoever. He saved Donna from becoming an even bigger mess down the line.

[QUOTE=Psy-lock;5608551]It's still better than having no relation to Wonder Woman whatsoever. He saved Donna from becoming an even bigger mess down the line.[/QUOTE]

Her relationship to Diana had already been restored before they retconned it again. Byrne's idea didn't do Donna any good in the short or long term.

[QUOTE=Agent Z;5608556]Her relationship to Diana had already been restored before they retconned it again. Byrne's idea didn't do Donna any good in the short or long term.[/QUOTE]

Not really. She teamed up with Diana for a couple of issues but that was it. If not for Byrne she would've remained a non-WW character for god knows how long.

[QUOTE=Psy-lock;5608604]Not really. She teamed up with Diana for a couple of issues but that was it. If not for Byrne she would've remained a non-WW character for god knows how long.[/QUOTE]

Donna appearing in a Wonder Woman book at some point is pretty much inevitable. How well she is used is a different matter. The mirror twin did nothing to make Donna feel like her own character and Byrne failed to establish a meaningful relationship between her and Diana.

In terms of use, Jiminez was much better.

[QUOTE=Agent Z;5608619]Donna appearing in a Wonder Woman book at some point is pretty much inevitable. How well she is used is a different matter. The mirror twin did nothing to make Donna feel like her own character and Byrne failed to establish a meaningful relationship between her and Diana.

In terms of use, Jiminez was much better.[/QUOTE]

Jimenez was better, but he was building off of Byrne's run. Without the mirror twin origin Donna would've remained a complete stranger to Diana, who looks very similar to her, has similar powers and is called Wonder Girl, but has nothing to do with Wonder Woman. I'm not the biggest fan of Byrne's run or of his version of Donna's origin, but this version is still much, much better than the mess that came before and after.

Byrne had the right intentions; restore Donna's connection to Diana. He just went about it in the most complicated way possible but the end result was getting to see the 'Wonder Family' together as a family. Prior to that Donna was basically a stranger to Diana. I mostly blame the stories that came afterwards for making her story a mess.