[QUOTE=Alpha;6581944]What idiocy. Wonder Woman isn't about how important Greece is[/QUOTE]
Did they say that in their post? No.
Does WW also take place on a magical island in that area? hell yes.
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[QUOTE=Alpha;6581944]What idiocy. Wonder Woman isn't about how important Greece is[/QUOTE]
Did they say that in their post? No.
Does WW also take place on a magical island in that area? hell yes.
[QUOTE=Primal Slayer;6581984]Did they say that in their post? No.
Does WW also take place on a magical island in that area? hell yes.[/QUOTE]
Themyscira isn't in Greece. Paradise Island wasn't in Greece.
Ancient Myths about the Amazons did not place their home in Greece
[QUOTE=Agent Z;6581952]Not sure what that's got to do with anything, since I'm pretty sure the thread's creator isn't saying they should only film in those places.[/QUOTE]
I didn't imply the post was suggesting they should only film in those places.
I was implying that the post suggested they should film in those places, even though there is no reason for a Wonder Woman movie to be filmed in Greece.
[QUOTE=Alpha;6582099]I didn't imply the post was suggesting they should only film in those places.
I was implying that the post suggested they should film in those places, even though there is no reason for a Wonder Woman movie to be filmed in Greece.[/QUOTE]
.... You don't see why a movie that features or focuses on the Greek gods would be filmed in Greece?
[QUOTE=Alpha;6582084]Themyscira isn't in Greece. Paradise Island wasn't in Greece.
Ancient Myths about the Amazons did not place their home in Greece[/QUOTE]
Greece is a perfect location to shoot for Themyscira
[QUOTE=Agent Z;6582103].... You don't see why a movie that features or focuses on the Greek gods would be filmed in Greece?[/QUOTE]
Do the gods live in Greece? Aren't they supposed to be in a fantastical place ? If there are scenes in Olympus, are they literally going to create a fantastical palace on top of the real world Mount Olympus?
Diana doesn't live in Greece nor is Greece what she came here to save. What scenes would even be set there, and why?
Is modern day Greece a particularly meaningful place to explore gender?
[QUOTE=Primal Slayer;6582218]Greece is a perfect location to shoot for Themyscira[/QUOTE]
Why? Themyscira isn't in Greece. The amazons didn't live in Greece.
And dear god, I hope they don't use the boring Greek Architecture when they create Paradise Island. I want something visually fascinating, not one of the most simplistic forms of design ever invented.
I agree with Alpha's sentiment. I definitely understand why Greek mythology is so prevalent in the WW books, and I welcome it. However, Marston was only inspired by Greco Roman mythology; he created a fantastical world that expanded on those myths but didn't strictly adhere to them. I like that. I prefer Themyscira NOT to look like the boring, tired white columns and temples that we have seen a million times in media. I want to see a Paradise Island that combines those Greco Roman motifs with Flash Gordon/Eternia/John Carter and many other breathtaking fantasy IPs...
Seeing people get enraged by someone suggesting a non-existent film do some filing in Greece is definitely the funniest thing that wasn’t on my bingo card.
[QUOTE=Alpha;6582268]Why? Themyscira isn't in Greece. The amazons didn't live in Greece.
And dear god, I hope they don't use the boring Greek Architecture when they create Paradise Island. I want something visually fascinating, not one of the most simplistic forms of design ever invented.[/QUOTE]
you mean like the comics do?
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I think the Amazon Paradise can certainly be in the warm Mediterranean Sea and it should have its own distinct buildings, designs and customs. The Amazons on it should not look like all out of a mold, but be of different heights, weights, strengths, color skin/eyes, etc. They should have a science center where advanced things have been made and stored.
[QUOTE=marhawkman;6582299]you mean like the comics do?
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What statement is that image a response to?
If that's an example of them using greek archicteture in a fascinating way? If so I disagree that it is interesting there
[QUOTE=Alpha;6582268]Why? Themyscira isn't in Greece. The amazons didn't live in Greece.
And dear god, I hope they don't use the boring Greek Architecture when they create Paradise Island. I want something visually fascinating, not one of the most simplistic forms of design ever invented.[/QUOTE]
It certainly isn't in Italy where the first film shot. Good thing they didn't say the island was italy. Filming in greece for its scenery is a no-brainer if they want to find a good looking paradise island. Guess what.... your going to get "boring greek architecture" for Paradise Lost if they do Historia. It wont be modern.
Well, Themyscira in the DCEU was certainly a boring place to look at or visit. Look at Wakanda and Atlantis, and compare it to Themyscira in the movies.
I didn't say they couldn't film in Italy. Nor did I say they couldn't film in Greece. I claimed that the implication that they SHOULD was idiocy.
Paradise Lost is a prequel. It's not a Wonder Woman story. Just like The Joker wasn't a Batman movie. But yes, greek architecture will be something I'll have to ignore if they adapt Historia.
I certainly didn't really care for the DCEU version of Themyscira, it never looked like paradise to me. Themyscira should be lush and tropical with Greek architecture with a syfy bent and colors so saturated they look surreal. They could film it in the Bahamas as far as I'm concerned.
[QUOTE=Koriand'r;6582696]I certainly didn't really care for the DCEU version of Themyscira, it never looked like paradise to me. Themyscira should be lush and tropical with Greek architecture with a syfy bent and colors so saturated they look surreal. They could film it in the Bahamas as far as I'm concerned.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, I feel the Greek inspired architecture is a must. It can evolve, but that should be the go to base of design. It shouldn't need to be mentioned that the DC Amazons are inspired by but do not reflect mythology. So having them worship Greek Gods is fine. Having that culture inspired their architecture. Fine
The Island ( to me) is always in the Bermuda Triangle ( old school, I know) . The " mystery" of the area lends to the idea that the island is hidden from Man's world. Plus, the idea that no one can find Themyscira in the freaking Mediterranean is bonkers. Lol
I do like the Greek/general Mediterranean area cause it also gives a reason to cast a Mediterranean actress for the character.
It would be pretty cool if the next WW actress they cast is a Greek woman or someone along those lines.
Given the Amazons aren't just from Greece, you could include influences from other regions such as East Asia, the Middle East, North Africa and West Africa. If nothing else, to show the Amazons' diversity.
[QUOTE=wonder39;6582792]Yeah, I feel the Greek inspired architecture is a must. It can evolve, but that should be the go to base of design. It shouldn't need to be mentioned that the DC Amazons are inspired by but do not reflect mythology. So having them worship Greek Gods is fine. Having that culture inspired their architecture. Fine
The Island ( to me) is always in the Bermuda Triangle ( old school, I know) . The " mystery" of the area lends to the idea that the island is hidden from Man's world. Plus, the idea that no one can find Themyscira in the freaking Mediterranean is bonkers. Lol[/QUOTE]
I don't understand why the amazons would bring greek architecture and religion onto the island. In the original myths, they didn't worship any gods as far as I know.
And in the DCU the ones that came from Greece left because they hated what the culture and society did to them. Why would they start their own civilization and bring that other culture here? Look at the American Revolution.
Kelly Sue Deconnick's Historia is a good story, but I do not accept it as a frame work for worldbuiling the amazons because it continues the "Greek fantasy but feminist" by giving us new reasons to support the Greek Gods as the harbingers of gender liberation, instead of it just being a story about what the power of belief means to a groupp of women that want to escape.
Greek Architecture doesn't make the themes of Feminism more properly expressed
These are 2 different things. and in my opinion trying to enforce Greek Culture and architecture only makes her world less distinguished and interesting.
[QUOTE=Mantis-Ray;6582825]I do like the Greek/general Mediterranean area cause it also gives a reason to cast a Mediterranean actress for the character.
It would be pretty cool if the next WW actress they cast is a Greek woman or someone along those lines.[/QUOTE]
Diana isn't greek. She was sculpted from clay on an island in another dimension. Paradise Island isn't a greek utopia, it's a feminist utopia
[QUOTE=Phoenixx9;6582325]I think the Amazon Paradise can certainly be in the warm Mediterranean Sea and it should have its own distinct buildings, designs and customs. The Amazons on it should not look like all out of a mold, but be of different heights, weights, strengths, color skin/eyes, etc. They should have a science center where advanced things have been made and stored.[/QUOTE]
Well, see this is why the Mediterranean as a setting is great. It's a location where you see Arabs, Egyptians, Greeks, Italians, and Spaniards, but also Berbers and Moors. It's a trade lane between continents.
[QUOTE=Alpha;6582327]What statement is that image a response to?
If that's an example of them using greek archicteture in a fascinating way? If so I disagree that it is interesting there[/QUOTE]
No my comment was a jab about how your take is... you wanting to change the way Themiscyra is in the comics.
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No my comment was a jab about how your take is... you wanting to change the way Themiscyra is in the comics.[/QUOTE]
Obviously. Wakanda and Atlantis also did something completely different from the comics.
[QUOTE=Alpha;6582836]I don't understand why the amazons would bring greek architecture and religion onto the island. In the original myths, they didn't worship any gods as far as I know.
And in the DCU the ones that came from Greece left because they hated what the culture and society did to them. Why would they start their own civilization and bring that other culture here? Look at the American Revolution.
Kelly Sue Deconnick's Historia is a good story, but I do not accept it as a frame work for worldbuiling the amazons because it continues the "Greek fantasy but feminist" by giving us new reasons to support the Greek Gods as the harbingers of gender liberation, instead of it just being a story about what the power of belief means to a groupp of women that want to escape.
Greek Architecture doesn't make the themes of Feminism more properly expressed
These are 2 different things. and in my opinion trying to enforce Greek Culture and architecture only makes her world less distinguished and interesting.
Diana isn't greek. She was sculpted from clay on an island in another dimension. Paradise Island isn't a greek utopia, it's a feminist utopia[/QUOTE]
The founding Amazon, Otrera (Hippolytas mother) built a temple dedicated to Artemis and was the consort of Ares, the father of her daughters. Ares gave Hippolyta her girdle. The legend of the Amazons is partially based on the Scythians, who worshipped their own equivalents to Hestia, Zeus, Ares, Aphrodite and Gaia.
There is more than enough precedent in the myths to have the Amazons worship some Greek gods. Between the Amazons and the Scythians, Artemis, Hestia and Aphrodite are accounted for, so the DC Amazons worshipping the Greek goddesses should be expected.
Diana's mother is Greek, and in at least one version Hippolyta adds her blood to the clay.
[QUOTE=marhawkman;6582906]Well, see this is why the Mediterranean as a setting is great. It's a location where you see Arabs, Egyptians, Greeks, Italians, and Spaniards, but also Berbers and Moors. It's a trade lane between continents.
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Yes, exactly! This is why I think it is a great place to have the Island.
But again, with its own styles, arts, dress, technology and various beautiful wonder women.
[QUOTE=SiegePerilous02;6582916]The founding Amazon, Otrera (Hippolytas mother) built a temple dedicated to Artemis and was the consort of Ares, the father of her daughters. Ares gave Hippolyta her girdle. The legend of the Amazons is partially based on the Scythians, who worshipped their own equivalents to Hestia, Zeus, Ares, Aphrodite and Gaia.
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Só I decided to do 5 minutes of research online and here's what I found. A Greek writer called Pausanias says that the amazons built a temple to Artemis. Very well, that's an indication that in his era it wouldn't be absurd to describe the myth of the amazons as a group of people that worshipped a Greek God.
I give you credit, but I also have a huge issues with this for one simple reason. Multiple Greek authors also wrote that Hyperborea worshipped gods like Apollo. Hyperborea was supposedly a northern European civilization either in Britain or Scandinavia. As far as I can see, the Greeks wrote about the whole world as if they believed in the Greek Gods.
And about the Scythans, from what I know, the Scythans weren't a group of people. It was a widely used term for different groups of people in the east. So there isn't a single culture to reference there.
But above all of this. If the amazons were repulsed by Greek culture and society, why would they honor it when they were finally free? Specially since across the millenia a great deal of them did not come from Greece.
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Diana's mother is Greek, and in at least one version Hippolyta adds her blood to the clay.[/QUOTE] and in the bronze age Nubia was sculpted by Hippolyta and was clearly very different (even Diana and Hippolyta had different hair colors). So I don't see how Hippolyta's birthplace matters to Diana
[QUOTE=Phoenixx9;6582997]Yes, exactly! This is why I think it is a great place to have the Island.
But again, with its own styles, arts, dress, technology and various beautiful wonder women.[/QUOTE]
Yeah mixing architectural styles would work, but trying to just make up something whole cloth is just weird.
[QUOTE=marhawkman;6583029]Yeah mixing architectural styles would work, but trying to just make up something whole cloth is just weird.[/QUOTE]
Well, the Amazons are not part of "Man's World", so they would not have visited any place off of their Island home. Their Island is unique unto themselves.
[QUOTE=Alpha;6583021]Só I decided to do 5 minutes of research online and here's what I found. A Greek writer called Pausanias says that the amazons built a temple to Artemis. Very well, that's an indication that in his era it wouldn't be absurd to describe the myth of the amazons as a group of people that worshipped a Greek God.
I give you credit, but I also have a huge issues with this for one simple reason. Multiple Greek authors also wrote that Hyperborea worshipped gods like Apollo. Hyperborea was supposedly a northern European civilization either in Britain or Scandinavia. As far as I can see, the Greeks wrote about the whole world as if they believed in the Greek Gods.
And about the Scythans, from what I know, the Scythans weren't a group of people. It was a widely used term for different groups of people in the east. So there isn't a single culture to reference there.
But above all of this. If the amazons were repulsed by Greek culture and society, why would they honor it when they were finally free? Specially since across the millenia a great deal of them did not come from Greece.
and in the bronze age Nubia was sculpted by Hippolyta and was clearly very different (even Diana and Hippolyta had different hair colors). So I don't see how Hippolyta's birthplace matters to Diana[/QUOTE]
Why would they be fully repulsed by Greek culture and religion when some of the goddesses from said culture are responsible for creating them or at least being their patrons that bestow blessings? Common sense dictates that they'd worship them. DC's Amazons have always been connected to at least one Greek goddess going back to Marston. The only reason they exist for millennia is because of Aphrodite, it'd be an unwise middle finger to her if they decide to not honor religion around her
You said Diana wasn't Greek, but she pretty much always is since Hippolyta is always Greek. Nubias origin is kind of the outlier here, not the norm.
[QUOTE=Mantis-Ray;6582825]I do like the Greek/general Mediterranean area cause it also gives a reason to cast a Mediterranean actress for the character.
It would be pretty cool if the next WW actress they cast is a Greek woman or someone along those lines.[/QUOTE]
I wouldn't be surprised if they do if only because Gadot/DCEU has probably solidified "WW speaks with a non-American accent" in the public mind.
[QUOTE=Alpha;6582836]I don't understand why the amazons would bring greek architecture and religion onto the island. In the original myths, they didn't worship any gods as far as I know.
And in the DCU the ones that came from Greece left because they hated what the culture and society did to them. Why would they start their own civilization and bring that other culture here? Look at the American Revolution[,/QUOTE]
There's a very easy explanation.
DC's' Amazons are not the Amazons of Myth. Marston used the basic idea of the Amazons to create a female utopia where women could exist to the utmost potential, unfettered by (toxic) masculine influences.
And these Amazons worship the Greek Goddesses (who they owe their creation, or at least freedom from Heracles , to)
And these Amazons take their architectural cues from ancient Greece. And that's pretty, and visually interesting.
[QUOTE=Phoenixx9;6583045]Well, the Amazons are not part of "Man's World", so they would not have visited any place off of their Island home. Their Island is unique unto themselves.[/QUOTE]
Perez did something interesting, when Themyscira was open to the delegates from Man's world. One of the delegates notes that the architecture evolved through the various styles (Doric, Corinthian,.etc) as a natural progression of their existence on the island for thousands of years...
[QUOTE=Gaius;6583095]I wouldn't be surprised if they do if only because Gadot/DCEU has probably solidified "WW speaks with a non-American accent" in the public mind.[/QUOTE]
It makes me curious if they'll also maintain the Pacific-Islander casting for the next hypothetical live-action Aquaman since the popularity of Jason Momoa's portrayal of the character.
[QUOTE=wonder39;6583603]Perez did something interesting, when Themyscira was open to the delegates from Man's world. One of the delegates notes that the architecture evolved through the various styles (Doric, Corinthian,.etc) as a natural progression of their existence on the island for thousands of years...[/QUOTE]
Sure, I can picture that as something happening, since some (a few?) Amazons would have outside-Island contact and also books and learning from around the world.
Also, with their advanced technology, the Amazons could "tune in" to different lands to learn about them.
[QUOTE=Phoenixx9;6583639]Sure, I can picture that as something happening, since some (a few?) Amazons would have outside-Island contact and also books and learning from around the world.
Also, with their advanced technology, the Amazons could "tune in" to different lands to learn about them.[/QUOTE]
That's the Magic Sphere, the original explanation for the Amazon's ability to see past, current and future technology and improve upon it.
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Some fans don't like the idea because they feel that it's cheating.
[QUOTE=Alpha;6582327]What statement is that image a response to?
If that's an example of them using greek archicteture in a fascinating way? If so I disagree that it is interesting there[/QUOTE]
Yeah. The only thing that picture is an example of, in my opinion, is how NOT TO draw women. But that's just me...
[QUOTE=Mantis-Ray;6583635]It makes me curious if they'll also maintain the Pacific-Islander casting for the next hypothetical live-action Aquaman since the popularity of Jason Momoa's portrayal of the character.[/QUOTE]
Those ar the two things that I hope they retain for WW and Aquaman in the DCU: Arthur as a Pacific islander and WW as a brown-eyed beauty who speaks English with an accent. Although I can also see/understand them wanting to separate themselves even more from Snyder's failed Snyderverse by going in a different direction with the amazon and the sea king. Then again, they are retaining Viola Davis and other elements that were part of the Snyderverse, so who knows...)
[QUOTE=Koriand'r;6583645]That's the Magic Sphere, the original explanation for the Amazon's ability to see past, current and future technology and improve upon it.
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Some fans don't like the idea because they feel that it's cheating.[/QUOTE]
Ah, just call me psychic, lol!
[QUOTE=Phoenixx9;6584776]Ah, just call me psychic, lol![/QUOTE]
some ideas just... make sense.
[QUOTE=marhawkman;6584929]some ideas just... make sense.[/QUOTE]
Naw, I'm Psychic!
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[URL="https://www.wendys.com/current-kids-meal-toys"]Wendy's has DC Comics toys for their kids meals this month[/URL], and there's 18 different figures & cards including Wonder Woman, Cheetah, and Nubia. They're super cute, and Nubia being included just shows that DC is really promoting her.
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[URL="https://www.wendys.com/current-kids-meal-toys"]Wendy's has DC Comics toys for their kids meals this month[/URL], and there's 18 different figures & cards including Wonder Woman, Cheetah, and Nubia. They're super cute, and Nubia being included just shows that DC is really promoting her.[/QUOTE]
Those are super cute!!!! And Nubia wearing her original outfit is awesome (BTW, that Cheetah has to be Debbie Domaine, right??)!
[QUOTE=HestiasHearth;6585773]Those are super cute!!!! And Nubia wearing her original outfit is awesome (BTW, that Cheetah has to be Debbie Domaine, right??)![/QUOTE]
The card lists her as Barbara Ann, sadly. The Debbi erasure is sad indeed.