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[url]https://www.crushingkrisis.com/crushing-comics-guide-collecting-dc-comic-books/wonder-woman-collecting-guide-trade-reading-order/#wonder-woman-1987[/url]
It lists the narrative order of all the issues...but I can't seem to see where Perez's WW Annual #1 fits in.
[QUOTE=Agent Z;6844917][video=youtube;7tL3Pbc_zhU]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7tL3Pbc_zhU[/video]
The above is a video discussing feminist retellings of ancient Greek myths and how some attempts to modernize them don't quite work. While Wonder Woman isn't mentioned in the video, it did make me think about whether it has overall succeeded as a genuinely feminist interpretation of Greek myth, especially after the discussion of Greek myth stories being appropriated and stripped of context as discussed @41:56. In particular, I wonder how fans of Greek descent feel about it, assuming any of them have read Wonder Woman.[/QUOTE]
Modern religious greeks care way more about the orthodox church than about the old mythology. It's like asking an iranian what does he think about modern interpretations of the Ahura Mazda...
[URL="https://www.comicsbeat.com/george-perez-national-portrait-gallery/"]George Perez has been honored at the National Portrait Gallery
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[QUOTE=Agent Z;6844917][video=youtube;7tL3Pbc_zhU]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7tL3Pbc_zhU[/video]
The above is a video discussing feminist retellings of ancient Greek myths and how some attempts to modernize them don't quite work. While Wonder Woman isn't mentioned in the video, it did make me think about whether it has overall succeeded as a genuinely feminist interpretation of Greek myth, especially after the discussion of Greek myth stories being appropriated and stripped of context as discussed @41:56. In particular, I wonder how fans of Greek descent feel about it, assuming any of them have read Wonder Woman.[/QUOTE]
If they're worried about stripping ancient myths of context, they're already SOL. The myths people talk about when harping on "mythological accuracy" aren't the original myths and in a lot of cases we don't even know what the "original" myths really were. They're all just a mix of tons of interpretations from a bunch of different places and times, smushed together into whatever story captured the Renaissance imagination and pushed the agenda of the "rational, enlightened West." They're so far from the source that the "feminist retellings" are just as (un)faithful as any other.
Perfect example (there was actually an entire issue of Perez's run about this): The Pandora myth. Originally she was widely worshipped as an all-giving mother goddess. The story most people know today is a Christianized, whispered-down-the-lane version of Hesiod's interpretation, which itself was a mix of a bunch of different ancient tellings tailored to his misogynistic cultural prerogatives.
And tbh the appropriation claims don't hold up. Ancient Greek religious practices (which weren't even all under one religion) weren't restricted to modern Greece - it was a MASSIVE empire that extended to modern-day Italy, Turkey, Spain, Bulgaria, Albania, etc. Plus you had people like the Etruscans who adopted Greek deities through cultural exchange and the Scythians who took on Hellenistic religious practices when they were colonized by the Greeks.
The person who made the video was clearly well-meaning and didn't intend this, but the ethno-nationalist purism about Greek mythology follows the same mindset you see among white supremacist neo-pagans who obsess over a bogus, glorified image of the Vikings and Norse mythology so they can fabricate a shared history of whiteness that excludes Jews, Slavs, etc.
I can understand why Greek people would get frustrated by everyone associating their national identity with fictionalized takes on ancient mythology, but that's a whole separate discussion and honestly the video reinforces it.
I do think she makes a good point about the pitfalls of a lot of these stories, though - the women wind up having [I]less[/I] agency because they're framed as victims, and it winds up just being the same male-centric stories told from a woman's perspective. But WW doesn't quite apply there because (A) they're not really retelling myths so much as using characters from Greek mythology to tell woman-centric stories and (B) the lore is a meta-commentary on how cultural myths get warped over time more than it is a commentary on Greek myths themselves.
[QUOTE=Gaius;6845223][URL="https://www.comicsbeat.com/george-perez-national-portrait-gallery/"]George Perez has been honored at the National Portrait Gallery
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That's fantastic!
[QUOTE=Agent Z;6844917][video=youtube;7tL3Pbc_zhU]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7tL3Pbc_zhU[/video]
The above is a video discussing feminist retellings of ancient Greek myths and how some attempts to modernize them don't quite work. While Wonder Woman isn't mentioned in the video, it did make me think about whether it has overall succeeded as a genuinely feminist interpretation of Greek myth, especially after the discussion of Greek myth stories being appropriated and stripped of context as discussed @41:56. In particular, I wonder how fans of Greek descent feel about it, assuming any of them have read Wonder Woman.[/QUOTE]
The part around 27:45 is also quite worth consideration. WHY the author is choosing to re-tell something often influences HOW they do so and might invalidate their efforts.
In the context of comics... spin placed on the adaptation by the author of the adaptation... might have the "x in name only" effect and thus make the result of the adaptation... of no real value to anyone.
[QUOTE=bardkeep;6845330]If they're worried about stripping ancient myths of context, they're already SOL. The myths people talk about when harping on "mythological accuracy" aren't the original myths and in a lot of cases we don't even know what the "original" myths really were. They're all just a mix of tons of interpretations from a bunch of different places and times, smushed together into whatever story captured the Renaissance imagination and pushed the agenda of the "rational, enlightened West." They're so far from the source that the "feminist retellings" are just as (un)faithful as any other.[/QUOTE]
It is meaningless what "the original" myths were. People obviously talk about old and popular interpretations when they talk about "mythological accuracy". And them getting smushed together or altered with passage of time is okay, thats the point. Maybe people should spend more energy on that instead of arguing about how everything is just as (un)faitfhul as anything else.
[QUOTE=HsssH;6845677]It is meaningless what "the original" myths were. People obviously talk about old and popular interpretations when they talk about "mythological accuracy". And them getting smushed together or altered with passage of time is okay, thats the point. Maybe people should spend more energy on that instead of arguing about how everything is just as (un)faitfhul as anything else.[/QUOTE]
Umm... no.
Respect the source material when making adaptations. If you don't... it's not an adaptation. It doesn't matter if it's 5 years old, or 5000.
Now, yes, "original" sources are questionable. Since we know some of it was actually folk lore for decades or centuries before being written down. That's not a good reason to change it on a whim.
If you wanna make it an OC... be honest about whether it's an OC.
[URL="https://www.reddit.com/r/DCcomics/comments/1dezq0p/comment/l8g3ntv/"]From Andy Diggle's Reddit AMA on Gotham by Gaslight sequel[/URL]
[QUOTE]Hi Andy
I saw in the solicits Wonder Woman will be appearing in Kryptonian Age and am interested in how she'll be written? I look forward to it but I hope she isn't written as a violent barbarian warrior like how most Elseworlds write her. I think that stuff does a disservice to her character
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[QUOTE]I can't speak to any other Elseworlds version of WW — but don't worry, that's not how we see her. In the script I describe her as a warrior-poet, a diplomat. She doesn't start fights, she finishes them; but she would always prefer to find a diplomatic solution. Violence is only ever a last resort.
That said, she'll absolutely kick ass if she has to. Sometimes, evil must be fought.
When the time comes, check out issue #3 and let me know how we did.
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[QUOTE=Gaius;6846824][URL="https://www.reddit.com/r/DCcomics/comments/1dezq0p/comment/l8g3ntv/"]From Andy Diggle's Reddit AMA on Gotham by Gaslight sequel[/URL][/QUOTE]
Well, that sounds like a reasonable portrayal :).
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Art by TERRY DODSON, RACHEL DODSON, BERNARD CHANG, and others
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On Themyscira, she is known as Diana, but to the rest of the world, she is called Wonder Woman due to her strength, bravery, and courage!
In her first DC Finest collection, we land in the beginning of acclaimed writer Gail Simone’s (Birds of Prey) fan-favorite era that delved heavily into the history and mythology of the Amazons. These stories, including “The Circle,” “Ends of the Earth,” and “Rise of the Olympian,” saw Diana facing classic foes like Captain Nazi, literary monsters such as Grendel, and, of course, her longtime nemesis Ares.
Each DC Finest volume is the perfect starting point to get acquainted with a character and jump into tales that have contributed to their rich histories! DC Finest: Wonder Woman: Origins & Omens collects these Wonder Woman issues from October 2007 to 2009: Wonder Woman (vol. 3) #14-35, Outsiders: Five of a Kind – Wonder Woman/Grace #1, and The Brave and the Bold #7.
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Well, nice to see that the Golden Age volume 6 gets the collection to number 71. Means there's only two omnibuses left to get the Golden and Silver ages go full circle.
Does Golden Age vol 6 really count as silver age?
Isn't Sensation Comics 94 considered Silver Age already?
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[QUOTE=Garrac;6847725]Well, nice to see that the Golden Age volume 6 gets the collection to number 71. Means there's only two omnibuses left to get the Golden and Silver ages go full circle.[/QUOTE]
I hope they'll include the three unpublished GA stories in the last omni.
[QUOTE=Alpha;6848447]Does Golden Age vol 6 really count as silver age?
Isn't Sensation Comics 94 considered Silver Age already?
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It really drives from when do comic historians consider that the Silver Age begins, which depending on whom you ask is much later on the mid-50s.
For Wonder Woman, creatively speaking the Silver Age begins once Joye Hummel stepped down on WW 29 (1948)
There really isnt any diference between a Kanigher comic from 1949 than from 1965. Guy sure had it all figured out.
I wish they’d get the rest of the Marston/Hummel stuff in paperback since I hate reading omnibuses.
I have never read all of those early stories/adventures, but I would sure love to read them! I love the art and look of those stories.
[I]Bleeding Cool has put together a first list of names that we have heard from industry sources regarding who might be working on what. The following names, have come from senior comics industry sources. But things can and probably will change. So feel free to scatter that salt.
Scott Snyder (Batman, Justice League, Swamp Thing, American Vampire, Wytches, Nocterra, Metal) is on Absolute Universe: Batman.
Jason Aaron (TMNT, Uncle Scrooge, Action Comics, Avengers, Scalped, Thor, Star Wars) is on Absolute Universe: Superman.
[B]Kelly Thompson (Birds Of Prey, Black Cloak, The Cull, It's Jeff, Mr & Mrs X, X-Men, Deadpool) is on Absolute Universe: Wonder Woman.
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I am pretty sure that at least everyone here was at some point attached to the project in question. And I have heard nothing to suggest that they are no longer. But, as I reiterated, things do have a habit of changing. And there are more names to come, when I have heard back from others.[/I]
Source: [url]https://bleedingcool.com/comics/scott-snyder-jason-aaron-and-kelly-thompson-on-absolute-dc-comics/[/url]
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[B]Kelly Thompson (Birds Of Prey, Black Cloak, The Cull, It's Jeff, Mr & Mrs X, X-Men, Deadpool) is on Absolute Universe: Wonder Woman.[/B][/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=Guy_McNichts;6855626][IMG]https://media.tenor.com/zeS38UmwJ5cAAAAM/oh-no-planet-of-the-apes.gif[/IMG][/QUOTE]
oh cmon, the only thing she has done that you guys dislike is allowing the Birds of Prey to defeat amazons more easily than you would expect, but she seems to genuinely like Diana as a character, and even like her world.
It's the same thing as Batman fighting Parademons, they are just recklessly powering up the protagonists, not dissing on the enemies
Makes sense. Thompson's I think one of the open WW fans working in the industry and I figured DC would have wanted a women writer on a new universe WW.
Hopefully no chumping out the Amazons to Harley Quinn and the sidekicks this time.
Sounds good to me if true. She's a good writer, and her books actually sell.
I'm not against it.
But they better pair her with a top tier artist who can last as long as Sampere.
BoP has a different artist every 2 issues
Yeah I’m on board to see what Thompson does. Intrigued to see what approach she will take to differentiate Absolute WW from Earth 0 Wondy.
[QUOTE=Primal Slayer;6855674]I'm not against it.
But they better pair her with a top tier artist who can last as long as Sampere.
BoP has a different artist every 2 issues[/QUOTE]
A consistent visual style is imperative here.
Like Ultimate Spider-Man and Mark Bagley or Ultimates and Bryan Hitch.
I really don't like her birds of prey
Waid said on Threads that he still hasn't cracked WW and to give him time.
Lord give us strength
[QUOTE=Primal Slayer;6856081]Waid said on Threads that he still hasn't cracked WW and to give him time.
Lord give us strength[/QUOTE]
Skill issue
[IMG]https://i.imgur.com/0X5KEuX.png[/IMG]
What is that drawing supposed to mean? Pick a better seat on the bus??
LOL
I've seen variations of it a couple of times and never understood the original intent.
[QUOTE=Primal Slayer;6856081]Waid said on Threads that he still hasn't cracked WW and to give him time.
Lord give us strength[/QUOTE]
Lol, sometimes it's better to just accept that some characters aren't for you and move on.
At this point I'm convinced he's playing into a bit cause he's aware of his rep with the character.
[QUOTE=Primal Slayer;6856081]Waid said on Threads that he still hasn't cracked WW and to give him time.
Lord give us strength[/QUOTE]
When did he say that? I just went to his Threads account abd it says tgat his last post was 44 weeks ago
I can rock with Kelly Thompson on WW, but it doesn’t get me particularly excited. Feels VERY safe (as do the Batman/Superman picks). I’m not sure what she’d even do to significantly differentiate her from past versions - I was really into the Al Ewing idea because I feel like he’d do something totally different.
That said, put Leo Romero on art and I’m sold. In general they really need a great artist here and those two are a dream team (plus MAN do I love his Diana).
To those concerned because of how she wrote Diana and the Amazons in BOP - Gail Simone and Nicola Scott’s first crack at WW was Diana threatening to castrate Deadshot and getting jobbed by Jeanette in Secret Six. Characters serve different roles in different stories. Thompson clearly loves the character, she’s gone on and on about it.
[QUOTE=bardkeep;6856344]I can rock with Kelly Thompson on WW, but it doesn’t get me particularly excited. Feels VERY safe (as do the Batman/Superman picks). I’m not sure what she’d even do to significantly differentiate her from past versions - I was really into the Al Ewing idea because I feel like he’d do something totally different.
That said, put Leo Romero on art and I’m sold. In general they really need a great artist here and those two are a dream team (plus MAN do I love his Diana).
To those concerned because of how she wrote Diana and the Amazons in BOP - Gail Simone and Nicola Scott’s first crack at WW was Diana threatening to castrate Deadshot and getting jobbed by Jeanette in Secret Six. Characters serve different roles in different stories. Thompson clearly loves the character, she’s gone on and on about it.[/QUOTE]
Gail was actually already a few arcs into her Wonder Woman run when she brought Diana into Secret Six, and she had guest started in BOP even earlier to give Dinah a pep talk.
That isn't to say Thompson can't get another shot and deliver with it, but Simone's first impression was way more reassuring.
[QUOTE=Alpha;6856308]When did he say that? I just went to his Threads account abd it says tgat his last post was 44 weeks ago[/QUOTE]
Oops, League of whatever....they look the same to me
[url]https://leagueofcomicgeeks.com/community/thread/22230205[/url]
[QUOTE=bardkeep;6856344]I can rock with Kelly Thompson on WW, but it doesn’t get me particularly excited. Feels VERY safe (as do the Batman/Superman picks). I’m not sure what she’d even do to significantly differentiate her from past versions - I was really into the Al Ewing idea because I feel like he’d do something totally different.
That said, put Leo Romero on art and I’m sold. In general they really need a great artist here and those two are a dream team (plus MAN do I love his Diana).
To those concerned because of how she wrote Diana and the Amazons in BOP - Gail Simone and Nicola Scott’s first crack at WW was Diana threatening to castrate Deadshot and getting jobbed by Jeanette in Secret Six. Characters serve different roles in different stories. Thompson clearly loves the character, she’s gone on and on about it.[/QUOTE]
Leo cant keep up with a monthly. They did....2 or 3 back2back issues of BOP before we entered our rotating list of artists?
And DIana didnt get get jobbed by Jeanette. She's a banshee, a mythical creature that Diana was caught off guard by. It's not different than facing majority of her rogues.
[QUOTE=Mantis-Ray;6855791]A consistent visual style is imperative here.
Like Ultimate Spider-Man and Mark Bagley or Ultimates and Bryan Hitch.[/QUOTE]
Bagley drew USM for 10 years, hard to imagine something like that happening now.
[QUOTE=Primal Slayer;6856081]Waid said on Threads that he still hasn't cracked WW and to give him time.
Lord give us strength[/QUOTE]
Somebody let him know that time has ran out, if he can't do it right after decades, it is time to move on. Nobody is forcing him to write WW, just leave her alone.
[QUOTE=SiegePerilous02;6856377]Gail was actually already a few arcs into her Wonder Woman run when she brought Diana into Secret Six, and she had guest started in BOP even earlier to give Dinah a pep talk.
That isn't to say Thompson can't get another shot and deliver with it, but Simone's first impression was way more reassuring.[/QUOTE]
Ahh, my bad! My general point still stands though. Thompson's one crack at Diana featured her as an antagonist in another character's story and she mostly just wanted to set up a fun fight with Barda (and it was, in fact, very fun). Don't think anyone should interpret that as a benchmark for her take on the character.
[quote]Leo cant keep up with a monthly. They did....2 or 3 back2back issues of BOP before we entered our rotating list of artists?
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Yeah, I guess my wish was that they gave him lots and lots of lead time but it is probably unlikely. Curious to see who the pick will be though.
[QUOTE=HsssH;6856404]Bagley drew USM for 10 years, hard to imagine something like that happening now.[/QUOTE]
Capullo was the artist for the majority of the New 52 Batman run and even that feels like a pipe dream at this point.
[QUOTE=Reddead;6789787]Another Absolute DC "leak" from 4chan (probably fake, but it does sound more real than the other one).
* Absolute Superman by Jason Aaron: Superman as an actual alien with little to no humanity
* Absolute Wonder Woman by Al Ewing: Wonder Woman as an adventurer
* Absolute Batman by Scott Snyder: Batman as an average guy with no money
* Absolute Flash by Jeff Lemire: Flash (Wally) with a new origin with no connection to Barry
If real I hope they mixed up Aaron and Snyder's projects tbh because I think Snyder creating a new Batman would be lame.[/QUOTE]
This is from a while back but Ewing on WW was wrong but everything else here seems to line up, so maybe the pitch of "adventurer/Indiana Jones" is correct.