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I don't mind her killing. I think she would kill if the situation deemed it. I do have a problem with people thinking she's like the Punisher or that she's more bad ass when she's aggressive and bloodthirsty. WW was created because Marston thought love and compassion shouldn't be presented as weak traits.
[QUOTE=PopQuezy;5785098]People are notorious for taking things out of context. Satirical movies like [I]Blazing Saddles[/I] are taken out of context all the time. It's not the text's fault -movie, comic book, tv show, etc. - that years/decades later people choose to remove something from context to prove a point that is often wrong.
I don't have a problem with Diana killing. I do have a problem with Diana snapping someone's neck as that's such a brutal and merciless way to kill someone. But killing in defense of oneself or others isn't this horrific, monstrous act that people in comics act as it is. I don't find Superman or Batman more heroic because they don't kill and Diana is not less heroic. Unfortunately, some villains should be killed for the safety of the world and no one should mourn them once they are gone.[/QUOTE]
How did you want her to kill Max Lord? He stated himself the only way to unleash Superman was to kill him (Max). Snapping his neck was a quick way to end his life.
[QUOTE=Primal Slayer;5785117]How did you want her to kill Max Lord? He stated himself the only way to unleash Superman was to kill him (Max). Snapping his neck was a quick way to end his life.[/QUOTE]
I'm not certain how I would want her to kill him, but in a way that is at least still heroic. Snapping someone's neck is not a heroic way to kill a person. In the Wonder Woman film, Diana kills a lot of people in battle, with a bow and arrow and a sword from memory. She also kills Ares via lightning. All these are in battle where the person at least has a fighting chance. Snapping someone's neck and slitting someone's throat are just not heroic ways to kill a person. Especially thinking of the context of Diana/Max, he's wrapped and subdued in the lasso, he's on his knees - a submissive position - and he's in no way a physical match or threat for Diana. While I understand the context, the visual image also makes it easy to take it out of context and portray Diana as a "by any means necessary" combatant.
[QUOTE=John Venus;5784792]I've seen a lot of casuals post that scan of Diana snapping Lord's neck as proof of how WW is more 'bad ass' and how she does what needs to be done unlike Superman and Batman who are wussies for not murdering their opponents. DC's been beating on that 'Diana is willing to kill, here is Maxwell Lord for proof' drum for so long now that even most casuals are aware of it.[/QUOTE]
That and that panel from Johns JL where she says she does not have as many Rogues as Bats or Supes because she kills them.
[QUOTE=PopQuezy;5785142]I'm not certain how I would want her to kill him, but in a way that is at least still heroic. Snapping someone's neck is not a heroic way to kill a person. In the Wonder Woman film, Diana kills a lot of people in battle, with a bow and arrow and a sword from memory. She also kills Ares via lightning. All these are in battle where the person at least has a fighting chance. Snapping someone's neck and slitting someone's throat are just not heroic ways to kill a person. Especially thinking of the context of Diana/Max, he's wrapped and subdued in the lasso, he's on his knees - a submissive position - and he's in no way a physical match or threat for Diana. While I understand the context, the visual image also makes it easy to take it out of context and portray Diana as a "by any means necessary" combatant.[/QUOTE]
Stabbing people isnt really that much more heroic looking imo. But the entire point was that Diana was between a corner and hard place (or whatever that saying is). She subdued the villain, she had mind warped Superman bleeding out and the only person who can free Superman is Maxwell Lord. She cant force him and he is refusing to do so. She could slit his throat, choke him to death, smash his head in....none of those are really desirable.
Regarding snapping necks, I am reminded of the English practice for public executions
that those from the nobility had the right to have their heads chopped off, while common
criminals got what was considered the more bloody death of hanging. It was considered
more merciful to have a sharp chop.
Diana is the product of a warrior culture, so her killing would not bother me. I don't have
a belief that there is any honor in warfare it is simply killing, often in our society mechanized killing.
Diana's values often speak to peace, crafting an ethical society, but she is no pacifist.
If pushed she could kill. But I have a hard time thinking of her as someone who takes a ruthless
enjoyment out of the taking of human life.
[video=youtube;fatuWrhAJgg]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fatuWrhAJgg[/video]
Such a shame that DC hasnt had a line of WW things lined up. New animated show, new solo DTV, tv show. 20 years away from the big 100 and she still behind.
[QUOTE=Primal Slayer;5785306]Such a shame that DC hasnt had a line of WW things lined up. New animated show, new solo DTV, tv show. 20 years away from the big 100 and she still behind.[/QUOTE]
No, you see we're supposed to be happy that Superman and Batman are currently getting their millionth new shows each along with a multitude of new projects across multimedia while WW got a "not completely terrible" representation in the Injustice Batman/Superman centric animated movie. :p
[QUOTE=Primal Slayer;5785306]Such a shame that DC hasnt had a line of WW things lined up. New animated show, new solo DTV, tv show. 20 years away from the big 100 and she still behind.[/QUOTE]
They're too busy launching a toy-line for Batman's car with a cartoon to accompany it. :p
[QUOTE=Gaius;5785318]No, you see we're supposed to be happy that Superman and Batman are currently getting their millionth new shows each along with a multitude of new projects across multimedia while WW got a "not completely terrible" representation in the Injustice Batman/Superman centric animated movie. :p[/QUOTE]
You forgot the part where they steal her characters and put them in Batman-adjacent media instead of just making Wonder Woman media. :p [SIZE=1](Damn, do I sound like a salty internet personality tonight)[/SIZE] Don't take me too seriously, lol.
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Jokes aside. I'm not asking for anything show to get canceled or skipped to get more Wonder Woman content. It's not an either/or situation and never was, since a company as big as WB has the money to make all these shows/movies possible at the same time. Though to be honest, I'm really not expecting any progression until after [I]Wonder Woman 3[/I].
But at the end of the day, I would rather wait for something high-quality than a half-assed projected some execs spat out to fill a time-stamp on CN or CW or something (2010 pilot flashbacks).
I'm scared to see what happens after WW3 tbh.
Either Gal signs on to a WW4, or they reboot and likely do Nubia (which dont get me wrong, Im cool with Nubia but with WW so early into her live action adaption I rather Diana keep up the WW mantle), or they practically shelve her for close to a decade before rebooting WW.
[QUOTE=Primal Slayer;5785344]I'm scared to see what happens after WW3 tbh.
Either Gal signs on to a WW4, or they reboot and likely do Nubia (which dont get me wrong, Im cool with Nubia but with WW so early into her live action adaption I rather Diana keep up the WW mantle), or they practically shelve her for close to a decade before rebooting WW.[/QUOTE]
Or Nubia can be Wonder Woman on the big screen after WW3 and WB can make a live action and/or cartoon Wonder Woman show featuring Diana, and then we will be in fan heaven for several years. (Let me dream :p )
[QUOTE=I'm a Fish;5785340]They're too busy launching a toy-line for Batman's car with a cartoon to accompany it. :p
You forgot the part where they steal her characters and put them in Batman-adjacent media instead of just making Wonder Woman media. :p [SIZE=1](Damn, do I sound like a salty internet personality tonight)[/SIZE] Don't take me too seriously, lol.
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Jokes aside. I'm not asking for anything show to get canceled or skipped to get more Wonder Woman content. It's not an either/or situation and never was, since a company as big as WB has the money to make all these shows/movies possible at the same time. Though to be honest, I'm really not expecting any progression until after [I]Wonder Woman 3[/I].
But at the end of the day, I would rather wait for something high-quality than a half-assed projected some execs spat out to fill a time-stamp on CN or CW or something (2010 pilot flashbacks).[/QUOTE]
Oh, I know. It's all fiction at the end of the day but what's the use of being a comic fan if I can't be salty at certain times. :p
Nubia in film and Diana in WWTAS is the best case scenario post WW3
[QUOTE=Gaius;5785367]Oh, I know. It's all fiction at the end of the day but what's the use of being a comic fan if I can't be salty at certain times. :p[/QUOTE]
The salt provided by fans is the spice melange of the internet [SIZE=1](Dune reference)[/SIZE]. :p
Plus I mean, yeah being salty is definitely fun in increments, lol.
Is Wonder Woman Earth one vol 3 still happening ?
[QUOTE=AmiMizuno;5785426]Is Wonder Woman Earth one vol 3 still happening ?[/QUOTE]
It came out in March.
[QUOTE=AmiMizuno;5785426]Is Wonder Woman Earth one vol 3 still happening ?[/QUOTE]
No.
[SIZE=1]It already happened.[/SIZE]
[QUOTE=PopQuezy;5785142]I'm not certain how I would want her to kill him, but in a way that is at least still heroic. Snapping someone's neck is not a heroic way to kill a person. In the Wonder Woman film, Diana kills a lot of people in battle, with a bow and arrow and a sword from memory. She also kills Ares via lightning. All these are in battle where the person at least has a fighting chance. Snapping someone's neck and slitting someone's throat are just not heroic ways to kill a person. Especially thinking of the context of Diana/Max, he's wrapped and subdued in the lasso, he's on his knees - a submissive position - and he's in no way a physical match or threat for Diana. While I understand the context, the visual image also makes it easy to take it out of context and portray Diana as a "by any means necessary" combatant.[/QUOTE]
She could cut his neck clean off. :P But there is a reason why even chopping heads stopped being a thing. Partly because the person is alive for a few moments after their head is separated from the body.
The most humane way is probably lethal injection but in that particular scenario, there is no way for Diana to poison him and drowning would be even worse. Neither would throwing him at super speed to concrete or at the sun be feasible..
Given the situation neck snapping was her best option.
[QUOTE=Vordan;5785221]That and that panel from Johns JL where she says she does not have as many Rogues as Bats or Supes because she kills them.[/QUOTE]
Most pathetic and laziest excuse for not developing her Rogues. And people just eat that shit up like it's candy.
[QUOTE=Primal Slayer;5785344]I'm scared to see what happens after WW3 tbh.
Either Gal signs on to a WW4, or they reboot and likely do Nubia (which dont get me wrong, Im cool with Nubia but with WW so early into her live action adaption I rather Diana keep up the WW mantle), or they practically shelve her for close to a decade before rebooting WW.[/QUOTE]
After WW3, Gal moves on. Nubia takes over but her movie ends up in production hell for several years. Then we get a Nubia movie that's either really good or really bad. Then something spooks WB so they don't do any sequels (just like how they're not doing sequels on the Harry Potter spin off movies).
Diana appears in JL ensemble animated movies, maybe gets a few more solo movies and maybe somebody tries to make a tv show that never gets off the ground.
[QUOTE=John Venus;5786570]After WW3, Gal moves on. Nubia takes over but her movie ends up in production hell for several years. Then we get a Nubia movie that's either really good or really bad. Then something spooks WB so they don't do any sequels (just like how they're not doing sequels on the Harry Potter spin off movies).
Diana appears in JL ensemble animated movies, maybe gets a few more solo movies and maybe somebody tries to make a tv show that never gets off the ground.[/QUOTE]
I'm honestly not certain this would be the case. Also, fyi, a Fantastic Beasts (Harry Potter spinoff film) is releasing in April.
Wonder Woman has proven herself to be a merchandising juggernaut. She was in the top 10 for merchandising sales in 2017, and WB/DC announced a hell of a lot of partnerships for Wonder Woman for both 1984 and WW 80th. There's no way they'd allow a Wonder Woman film to languish in development hell now that they know Wonder Woman can make them a significant amount of money.
Also, Yara and the Nubia resurgence shows that WB/DC has a commitment to Wonder Woman mythos in a way they've never had before. They're also obviously expanding the importance of the Amazons with Historia, Trial of the Amazons, and presumably the Artemis backup. This doesn't translate to me that WB/DC has any plans to let the Wonder World go dark and stagnant.
Lastly, I question if Gal would really move on after WW3. I can see Patty moving on, but Wonder Woman is still the bread and butter of Gal's career. I wouldn't be shocked if she does a 4th- similar to Hemsworth and Thor. Gal is [I]the[/I] action heroine right now, and I can't imagine her wanting to so easily give up the biggest action heroine role of our times. WB/DC may also give her more money and even power - she's already was a producer for WW84 - for the 4th installment.
[QUOTE=PopQuezy;5786611]Lastly, I question if Gal would really move on after WW3. I can see Patty moving on, but Wonder Woman is still the bread and butter of Gal's career. I wouldn't be shocked if she does a 4th- similar to Hemsworth and Thor. Gal is [I]the[/I] action heroine right now, and I can't imagine her wanting to so easily give up the biggest action heroine role of our times. WB/DC may also give her more money and even power - she's already was a producer for WW84 - for the 4th installment.[/QUOTE]
Gal has spoken about wanting to take time off of WW and the appeal of working with Patty who is definitely moving on after WW3. I see her moving on ala Scarlett as she's had a steady stream of jobs outside of WW.
[QUOTE=Primal Slayer;5786626]Gal has spoken about wanting to take time off of WW and the appeal of working with Patty who is definitely moving on after WW3. I see her moving on ala Scarlett as she's had a steady stream of jobs outside of WW.[/QUOTE]
I sincerely hope she reconsiders. I would love a 4th with Gal.
I actually came to post this. [URL="https://www.superherohype.com/geek-culture/506514-six-flags-magic-mountain-announces-wonder-woman-flight-of-courage#/slide/1"]Wonder Woman: Flight of Courage[/URL] This is another way DC is committing to Wonder Woman. She is getting her own ride at Six Flags Magic Mountain. The article has details.
[QUOTE=PopQuezy;5786639]I sincerely hope she reconsiders. I would love a 4th with Gal.
I actually came to post this. [URL="https://www.superherohype.com/geek-culture/506514-six-flags-magic-mountain-announces-wonder-woman-flight-of-courage#/slide/1"]Wonder Woman: Flight of Courage[/URL] This is another way DC is committing to Wonder Woman. She is getting her own ride at Six Flags Magic Mountain. The article has details.[/QUOTE]
DC really likes to use the WW image and where it will cost them the least amount of money. Its nice to get her out there but ....
Yeah, when it comes to WB and WW, expect the bar to be low.
We are lucky that the current comic book side has people who care about the character. But the company as a whole, as it is right now, doesn't care about non-Sup/Bat characters in a meaningful way.
[QUOTE=Primal Slayer;5786705]DC really likes to use the WW image and where it will cost them the least amount of money. Its nice to get her out there but ....[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=John Venus;5787161]Yeah, when it comes to WB and WW, expect the bar to be low.
We are lucky that the current comic book side has people who care about the current. But the company as a whole, as it is right now, doesn't care about non-Sup/Bat characters in a meaningful way.[/QUOTE]
I very much disagree with these sentiments. The article states, "And by the time it opens, Magic Mountain’s DC Universe area will also have undergone some remodeling of its own, with plans for a “new, innovative restaurant and bar experience” along with new retail locations that sell exclusive DC merchandise." This ride is also partly to launch the revamped DC Universe area and the additional services there.
Also, the article states, "It also sounds like the designers are putting an equal amount of effort into the look of the ride’s entrance and queue, which will feature Greek architecture and tropical landscapes modeled after Diana’s home of Themyscira. Visitors can also expect plenty of “dives, banks, rolls, and turns” befitting its namesake superhero." This does not sound like a cheap or thrown-together project. It seems they are genuinely taking into account Diana's world and making this ride a mini-attraction all its own.
Additionally, the article states, "With 3,300 feet of track that reaches heights of up to 13 stories, Flight of Courage will also be the tallest and longest single-rail coaster in the world." This means this ride will be a must for anyone who deems themselves a thrill seeker.
Lastly, this is part of the WW80th celebration as the article states, "n honor of the Amazon warrior’s 80th anniversary, the park is adding a new Wonder Woman-themed roller coaster to its growing roster of DC attractions in the summer of 2022."
This is a commitment to the Wonder Woman brand and legacy. If they didn't care about her, they could have kept the previous Green Lantern ride which was closed in 2017 but kept the branding. They also could have branded this Batman, Superman, Harley Quinn or Suicide Squad. Nothing about this seems cheap, or not meaningful, or low bar.
I'm glad that the ride exists and there will be people who enjoy them. Which I'm glad.
However, my primary interest are in stories and seeing those stories reach as wide an audience as possible.
[QUOTE=PopQuezy;5787206]I very much disagree with these sentiments. The article states, "And by the time it opens, Magic Mountain’s DC Universe area will also have undergone some remodeling of its own, with plans for a “new, innovative restaurant and bar experience” along with new retail locations that sell exclusive DC merchandise." This ride is also partly to launch the revamped DC Universe area and the additional services there.
Also, the article states, "It also sounds like the designers are putting an equal amount of effort into the look of the ride’s entrance and queue, which will feature Greek architecture and tropical landscapes modeled after Diana’s home of Themyscira. Visitors can also expect plenty of “dives, banks, rolls, and turns” befitting its namesake superhero." This does not sound like a cheap or thrown-together project. It seems they are genuinely taking into account Diana's world and making this ride a mini-attraction all its own.
Additionally, the article states, "With 3,300 feet of track that reaches heights of up to 13 stories, Flight of Courage will also be the tallest and longest single-rail coaster in the world." This means this ride will be a must for anyone who deems themselves a thrill seeker.
Lastly, this is part of the WW80th celebration as the article states, "n honor of the Amazon warrior’s 80th anniversary, the park is adding a new Wonder Woman-themed roller coaster to its growing roster of DC attractions in the summer of 2022."
This is a commitment to the Wonder Woman brand and legacy. If they didn't care about her, they could have kept the previous Green Lantern ride which was closed in 2017 but kept the branding. They also could have branded this Batman, Superman, Harley Quinn or Suicide Squad. Nothing about this seems cheap, or not meaningful, or low bar.[/QUOTE]
Tv shows, movies and videogames are the most important things when it comes to reaching big audiences and making the most amount of money. DC and WB still show no sign of putting effort into those fields when it comes to WW. Only WW3 is comfirmed. The rest is literally 0 effort and we are in her 80th anniversary.
[QUOTE=mystical41;5787471]Tv shows, movies and videogames are the most important things when it comes to reaching big audiences and making the most amount of money. DC and WB still show no sign of putting effort into those fields when it comes to WW. Only WW3 is comfirmed. The rest is literally 0 effort and we are in her 80th anniversary.[/QUOTE]
The last Wonder Woman movie is literally less than a year old. We also have been informed multiple times a third is coming after Patty Jenkins finished Star Wars. The 80th Anniversary is filled with all types of partnerships that hit all types of demographics that I've posted about several times. It is literally more than 0 effort.
[QUOTE=PopQuezy;5787711]The last Wonder Woman movie is literally less than a year old. We also have been informed multiple times a third is coming after Patty Jenkins finished Star Wars. The 80th Anniversary is filled with all types of partnerships that hit all types of demographics that I've posted about several times. It is literally more than 0 effort.[/QUOTE]
In her 80th anniversary SM and BM get new shows. She still has 0 animated shows. No solo videogame after 80 years. Only 2 animated movies and 2 live action in 80 years. And let's see how much respect she will actually get in the comics from now on. I won't hold my breath.
Over in the Superman forum, there's a thread about Superman's leadership style, and Vordan posted this chart:
[QUOTE=Vordan;5794702][IMG]https://www.mbaknol.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/Six-leadership-styles-goleman-mbaknol.png.webp[/IMG][/QUOTE]
It got me thinking where Diana might fit on it. Personally, I think she Affiliative best describes her, though she has elements of Visionary.
I saw that too. "Coaching" struck me as Wonder Woman the most but "Affiliative" could also apply.
[QUOTE=Gaius;5795114]I saw that too. "Coaching" struck me as Wonder Woman the most but "Affiliative" could also apply.[/QUOTE]
Affiliative is how I see Diana starting out but I do think Coaching makes sense as what her style ends up becoming in the long run.
Coaching: Golden Age Diana
Visionary: Post Crisis Diana
Democratic: Rebirth + Post Infinite Frontier Diana
[QUOTE=Vordan;5797904]Affiliative is how I see Diana starting out but I do think Coaching makes sense as what her style ends up becoming in the long run.[/QUOTE]
Seems a bit of overlap but both fit fairly well.
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[QUOTE=mystical41;5787772]In her 80th anniversary SM and BM get new shows. She still has 0 animated shows. No solo videogame after 80 years. Only 2 animated movies and 2 live action in 80 years. And let's see how much respect she will actually get in the comics from now on. I won't hold my breath.[/QUOTE]
You all are getting on my nerves with all the nagativity. The glass is always half empty. Forget it's mouth, any gift horse we're presented with will get thoroughly examined, re-examined and generally found lacking. As a life long Wonder Woman fan I get it, we're used to receiving the short end of the stick and complaining about it. But as a group, can we ever be happy about anything? GEESH!
I typoed negativity into "nagativity" in the same paragraph with a horse metaphor, that's almost Freudian. lol
[QUOTE=Koriand'r;5798350]You all are getting on my nerves with all the nagativity. The glass is always half empty. Forget it's mouth, any gift horse we're presented with will get thoroughly examined, re-examined and generally found lacking. As a life long Wonder Woman fan I get it, we're used to receiving the short end of the stick and complaining about it. But as a group, can we ever be happy about anything? GEESH![/QUOTE]
I feel like with the comics especially we have no reason to complain in for the first time ever:
The main solo
Historia
Nubia & the Amazons
Wonder Girl
Evolution
Black & Gold
That's the most comic content she ever received all at once I think. We should want her to be respected in other corners of the DCU, but when factoring in her own corner of things, I don't think anyone can say the comics aren't respecting her overall and expect to be taken seriously.
[QUOTE=Koriand'r;5798350]You all are getting on my nerves with all the nagativity. The glass is always half empty. Forget it's mouth, any gift horse we're presented with will get thoroughly examined, re-examined and generally found lacking. As a life long Wonder Woman fan I get it, we're used to receiving the short end of the stick and complaining about it. But as a group, can we ever be happy about anything? GEESH![/QUOTE]
I'm going with Siege on the comics content. Comics wise this is year has been pretty good for WW, I'm enjoying the solo, B&G, and Nubia and am looking forward to [I]Historia[/I] and [I]Evolution.[/I] Conrad/Cloonan and Williams/Ayala have been some much needed fresh blood for WW.
Multi-media? Yeah, I'm annoyed Supes and Bats get their latest new animated shows but that Injustice movie being terrible and Injustice fans realizing they're not getting six movies of Wonder Simp and Super Hitler almost balances it out. Don't really care about videogames beyond some niche stuff and a Harley led-SS is dead on arrival for me anyways.
So...
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[QUOTE=Koriand'r;5798350]You all are getting on my nerves with all the nagativity. The glass is always half empty. Forget it's mouth, any gift horse we're presented with will get thoroughly examined, re-examined and generally found lacking. As a life long Wonder Woman fan I get it, we're used to receiving the short end of the stick and complaining about it. But as a group, can we ever be happy about anything? GEESH![/QUOTE]
I'm sorry if i bothered you. But it bothers me how WW is usually treated badly. It's nice to have more comic content. But it's the quality of the content that is most important. I want to see her play a big role in DCU at large, be treated as a real powerhouse and see her villains respected as serious threats. And i'd like for WW to be given a good animated series, because that is long over due.
[QUOTE=Guy_McNichts;5795103]Over in the Superman forum, there's a thread about Superman's leadership style, and Vordan posted this chart:
It got me thinking where Diana might fit on it. Personally, I think she Affiliative best describes her, though she has elements of Visionary.[/QUOTE]
This is a very interesting topic. The best version of Wonder Woman is definitely a Coach. She is all about "Try this"
The Mark Waid story from 80th anniversary is definitely the peak of how she should relate to the rest of the Justice League. I just wish she had a bit more full along the way.