Wonder Woman - General Discussion

[QUOTE=Frontier;6797123]Is this his own experience with the mythos?

Also that one Amazon next to Hippolyta seems very underdressed :p.[/QUOTE]

I was gonna say the same thing: even though Jimenez is of Mexican descent, he is still an American-born man whose upbringing in America leaned towards the privilege afforded to a white man in a large urban center (he has addessed this himself [url]https://www.cbr.com/the-color-barrier-jimenez-on-writing-vs-drawing-being-diverse/[/url]). However, the kid in the illustration seems to be an artist-in-the-making (look at all the papers and crayons[?] on the floor, and seems to be living in a place where it's common to have cinder blocks holding up a table on which a TV set sits. Cinder blocks are very normal materials to build homes in Latin America and the Caribbean, so I assume that the kid in the drawing is maybe Hispanic and inspired by Jimenez himself.

Why you assume? I mean, literally it say this:

[QUOTE]...an unmissable autobiographical story written by industry legend Phil Jimenez about the fantastical worlds that shaped him, brought to life by Giulio Macaione and Frank Cvetkovic;...[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Koriand'r;6797223]I always enjoy looking at the side by side of their two costumes. It's like they ran out of money in the middle of designing Drusilla's.[/QUOTE]

LOL!

Ran out of money AND ideas.

[QUOTE=Koriand'r;6797223]I always enjoy looking at the side by side of their two costumes. It's like they ran out of money in the middle of designing Drusilla's.[/QUOTE]

nah, looks to me like they wanted Drusilla's outfit to be simpler, that's all.

[QUOTE=marhawkman;6797438]nah, looks to me like they wanted Drusilla's outfit to be simpler, that's all.[/QUOTE]

The rumor from Debra Winger is it was an edict from Lynda Carter. You can't have a guest-star visually competing with the lead. Notice she has less of everything, costume decoration, hair, even her tan, but Debra Winger is an unreliable source. She practically ruined her career by talking trash about her co-stars. Shirley MacLaine still probably hates her.

[QUOTE=Koriand'r;6797497]The rumor from Debra Winger is it was an edict from Lynda Carter. You can't have a guest-star visually competing with the lead. Notice she has less of everything, costume decoration, hair, even her tan, but Debra Winger is an unreliable source. She practically ruined her career by talking trash about her co-stars. Shirley MacLaine still probably hates her.[/QUOTE]
This is the same era where being the "star" of a show had major industry clout behind it.... I can kinda believe that. There's a similar story from Star Trek about William Shatner and Leonard Nimoy competing to determine whether Kirk or Spock got more screentime.

Also, this thing from Star Trek came out after Leonard Nimoy was doing his kindly elderly gentleman routine and trying to look like he was nice to everyone he ever worked with. Lynda Carter also tried to cultivate an image of her beign someone great to work with and so on..... having someone say bad things about her... especially if they're true, would seriously hurt that image.

[QUOTE=Sebastianne;6797357]Why you assume? I mean, literally it say this:[/QUOTE]

I am assuming because all I am seeing is the pic I am attaching [ATTACH=CONFIG]139157[/ATTACH]. I don't see any link there, and that text you just quoted is something I had not seen anywhere until you brought it up.

[QUOTE=Gaius;6796662]And how is it particularly relevant today? Outside of an occasional throwback story in an anthology or Dr. Cyber (who pretty much has no relation to the original version of the character) complaining about this era of WW is like a Batman fan still thinking "Adam West ruined Batman!" is a searing hot take.

WW being written as a blood thirsty warrior who needs to be called out by Superman or Batman for her moral failures is far more pernicious and relevant than anything leftover from the Mod era.[/QUOTE]

Well acquitted.

[QUOTE=Koriand'r;6797223]I always enjoy looking at the side by side of their two costumes. It's like they ran out of money in the middle of designing Drusilla's.[/QUOTE]

It looks like a composite TV adaptation of Wonder Girl's costumes from the comics of the time. The boots are shiny and look contemporary to the 60s or 70s -I've wondered what it might've looked like, if the boots had been velvety, like Lynda's. The blue of their shorts clearly doesn't match, but the lighter hue would've made DW's butt look fatter; so...

I don't think they ran out of money. I think the designer made some questionable decisions on the final product.

[QUOTE=Alpha;6792973]Holliday Girls as a biker gang kind of misses the point of the Holliday Girls. They were used in action stories yes,

But the most important thing about them was that they were being trained by Diana to have all the lessons that the amazons learned. They were learning about science and philosophy, and yes, physical training. This was about creating a system where women pushed themselves to be the best versions of themselves, and helped others do the same[/QUOTE]

Biker Gang Holliday Girls...? No, no. Slim-proved Etta...? Triple no.

My general pitch if DC went all out on the WW line

Wonder Woman - King/Sampere, current day more grounded series

Immortal Wonder Woman - Simone/Scott exploring the more mystical/mythological side of Diana and the fam

Artemis: Requiem - Ayala/Patridge, the darker side of everything WW/AMazons. Artemis hunting down monsters that have escaped Dooms Doorway

The Sensational Amazons - McKinney/Martinez, Nubia/Io/Phillipus take center stage as they lead the Amazons through political upheaval, invasions and more

Fury: Champion of the Gods - Rucka/Mora, Cassie is called upon to become a champion of her Greek Gods lineage. unbeknownst to her as Ares pulls the strings all the while trying to live life as a 20yr old. Buffy meets Greek mythology.

The Almighty Wonder Girl - J.Jones/,Sauvage, Come on the adventure of the lifetime as Yara learns what it is to be a hero not only to the AMazons but to the world. She'll uncover the secrets of her lineage while introducing herself to the DC universe at large

The Wonder of Donna Troy - jimenez/jimenez, see the world of the Amazons/Titans/DC through the lens of Donna Troy as she attempts to stop the bleeding of multiverse

[QUOTE=Mel Dyer;6798178]Biker Gang Holliday Girls...? No, no. Slim-proved Etta...? Triple no.[/QUOTE]
I mean... making Crush one of the Holliday girls is just weird....

[QUOTE=marhawkman;6798894]I mean... making Crush one of the Holliday girls is just weird....[/QUOTE]

Totally weird.

[QUOTE=Primal Slayer;6798834]My general pitch if DC went all out on the WW line

Wonder Woman - King/Sampere, current day more grounded series

Immortal Wonder Woman - Simone/Scott exploring the more mystical/mythological side of Diana and the fam

Artemis: Requiem - Ayala/Patridge, the darker side of everything WW/AMazons. Artemis hunting down monsters that have escaped Dooms Doorway

The Sensational Amazons - McKinney/Martinez, Nubia/Io/Phillipus take center stage as they lead the Amazons through political upheaval, invasions and more

Fury: Champion of the Gods - Rucka/Mora, Cassie is called upon to become a champion of her Greek Gods lineage. unbeknownst to her as Ares pulls the strings all the while trying to live life as a 20yr old. Buffy meets Greek mythology.

The Almighty Wonder Girl - J.Jones/,Sauvage, Come on the adventure of the lifetime as Yara learns what it is to be a hero not only to the AMazons but to the world. She'll uncover the secrets of her lineage while introducing herself to the DC universe at large

The Wonder of Donna Troy - jimenez/jimenez, see the world of the Amazons/Titans/DC through the lens of Donna Troy as she attempts to stop the bleeding of multiverse[/QUOTE]
This isn't bad at all.

[QUOTE=Koriand'r;6797223]I always enjoy looking at the side by side of their two costumes. It's like they ran out of money in the middle of designing Drusilla's.[/QUOTE]

I always just felt like (1) it was inspired by Donna's 2nd costume, albeit with briefs and a tiara and (2) it's support to be a jr WW costume. So it shouldn't be as fancy or sexy.

I'd think they would have gone with Donna's costume, but the plot point of Dru was that the Nazis did realize there were two of them, and confused the two. So their looks had to be similar enough to one another or there wouldn't have been the confusion

Superman and Wonder Woman destroy the world.

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[QUOTE=Gaius;6800726]Superman and Wonder Woman destroy the world.

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This was...an interesting story.

[QUOTE=Gaius;6797138]Probably.

The Amazon in the back is probably Wonder Girl from the tv show

[IMG]https://meanlouise.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/2015-05-27-wonder-woman5.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]

There's a weirdness to viewing adaptations from way before now signature elements and characters were a thing.

You think of Wonder Girl, you think of Donna, Cassie, even Yara, and this show though from the 70s had an OC. Actually wait a minute Donna was from the 60s so amusingly she was around while this happened.

[QUOTE=Mantis-Ray;6800816]There's a weirdness to viewing adaptations from way before now signature elements and characters were a thing.

You think of Wonder Girl, you think of Donna, Cassie, even Yara, and this show though from the 70s had an OC. Actually wait a minute Donna was from the 60s so amusingly she was around while this happened.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, the show only really followed Golden Age WW in the first few episodes before mostly doing it's own thing and then becoming a standard 70s action heroine show in the later seasons.

Ironically, the show version of Wonder Girl probably has the simplest origin of any of the WGs at this point; Diana's actual kid sister.

Wow. Watching this week's X-Men 97 episode really makes WW84 sting even more. They used Max Lord in the least impactful way possible. The OMAC Project/Sacrifice stuff was so grand in scope and so epic.

[URL="https://variety.com/2024/tv/people-news/jeannie-epper-dead-wonder-woman-stunt-double-1235992864/"]Jeannie Epper, Lynda Carter's stunt double on the 70s show and pioneering stuntwoman, has passed away.[/URL]

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Folks at reddit did a vote on which WW characters fits into each Lantern Corps

[IMG]https://i.imgur.com/Qggd816.png[/IMG]

[QUOTE=Gaius;6813250]Folks at reddit did a vote on which WW characters fits into each Lantern Corps

[IMG]https://i.imgur.com/Qggd816.png[/IMG][/QUOTE]
Willpower for Sersi? Uh...

I'd put Cheetah for Wrath and Circe for greed myself.

[QUOTE=Frontier;6813270]Willpower for Sersi? Uh...

I'd put Cheetah for Wrath and Circe for greed myself.[/QUOTE]

[I]Circe[/I] is nothing if not persistent and pretty much always a law unto herself.

These are the ones who came in second place.

[IMG]https://i.imgur.com/cN64u4C.png[/IMG]

Who is the blonde shown by Compassion?

Paula Von Gunther

I'm curious: did anyone else read the recent Superman: Space Age series? What did you think of Diana's portrayal in it from Mark Russell? She wasn't in it a lot, but the choices he made with her small amount of dialogue had something I can't put my finger on that I liked. Now that he's doing a Batman: Dark Age, I'm hoping he'll follow up with a Diana mini too to see what more he'd make of her.

He said his intentions were to follow up with a Wonder Woman mini.
Can't say most of Dianas portrayal in Space Age jumped out at me aside from the bit where she was rescuing a little girl and promised to keep her safe....Who died offscreen regardless

The nature of this whole thing centering around worlds that were destroyed back in Crisis on Infinite Earths makes me curious how Batman will go.

[QUOTE=AlexLyo;6813449]I'm curious: did anyone else read the recent Superman: Space Age series? What did you think of Diana's portrayal in it from Mark Russell? She wasn't in it a lot, but the choices he made with her small amount of dialogue had something I can't put my finger on that I liked. Now that he's doing a Batman: Dark Age, I'm hoping he'll follow up with a Diana mini too to see what more he'd make of her.[/QUOTE]

She didn't do much in it from what I recall.

Mark Russell seemed too much in love with Batman to ever bother giving the other Leaguers anything substantial. Even Superman felt like he was getting overshadowed by Batman through the whole story, despite this being his book. I am not surprised that Russell immediately started writing Batman after Space Age.

I don't need a WW book which is secretly a Batman book.

[QUOTE=AlexLyo;6813449]I'm curious: did anyone else read the recent Superman: Space Age series? What did you think of Diana's portrayal in it from Mark Russell? She wasn't in it a lot, but the choices he made with her small amount of dialogue had something I can't put my finger on that I liked. Now that he's doing a Batman: Dark Age, I'm hoping he'll follow up with a Diana mini too to see what more he'd make of her.[/QUOTE]

I'm very curious what his Wonder Woman series would tackle.

Both Superman and Batman deal with the thematic connection of what it means to truly save the world and how do you go about reaching that solution even in the face of Armageddon. So it be interesting how he'll go about that set-up through Wonder Woman.

[QUOTE]BATMAN/SUPERMAN: WORLD’S FINEST #30
Written by MARK WAID
Art by GLEB MELNIKOV
Cover by DAN MORA
Variant covers by PUPPETEER LEE and LUCIO PARRILLO
1:25 variant cover by DANIEL BAYLISS
Batman 85th Anniversary variant cover by JORGE JIMENEZ
$3.99 US | 32 pages | Variant $4.99 US (card stock)
ON SALE 8/21/24
Get ready to see the Trinity—Batman, Superman, and Wonder Woman—take part in their first adventure as a trio!
[/QUOTE]

[IMG]https://media3.giphy.com/media/3FBwwRCNTSa52/200w.gif?cid=6c09b952j25m7sesuovpbry3stf53ggd7dv8e3d3atiab0w6&ep=v1_gifs_search&rid=200w.gif&ct=g[/IMG]

[quote]BATMAN: GOTHAM BY GASLIGHT—THE KRYPTONIAN AGE #3

Written by ANDY DIGGLE

Art and cover by LEANDRO FERNANDEZ

Variant covers by FRANCESCO FRANCAVILLA and FELIPE MASSAFERA

$4.99 US | 40 pages | 3 of 6 | Variants $5.99 US (card stock)

ON SALE 8/14/24

Adam Strange’s understanding of the ancient world is flipped upside down as he’s saved by Diana of Themyscira! Batman searches for the jade ring of Jong Li and goes undercover to confront Selina Kyle for its whereabouts. Little do they know, it’s halfway across the country, on board the same train as a young aerialist named Alan Scott![/quote]

[img]https://i0.wp.com/aiptcomics.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/05/Gotham-By-Gaslight-The-Kryptonian-Age-3-Fernandez.jpg[/img]

[QUOTE=Sebastianne;6822090][img]https://i0.wp.com/aiptcomics.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/05/Gotham-By-Gaslight-The-Kryptonian-Age-3-Fernandez.jpg[/img][/QUOTE]

Hey, an Elseworld Diana......and it's exactly as trite, stock and unimaginative as you would expect.


Meanwhile...
[QUOTE]BATMAN/SUPERMAN: WORLD’S FINEST #30
Written by MARK WAID
Art by GLEB MELNIKOV
Cover by DAN MORA
Variant covers by PUPPETEER LEE and LUCIO PARRILLO
1:25 variant cover by DANIEL BAYLISS
Batman 85th Anniversary variant cover by JORGE JIMENEZ
$3.99 US | 32 pages | Variant $4.99 US (card stock)
ON SALE 8/21/24
Get ready to see the Trinity—Batman, Superman, and Wonder Woman—take part in their first adventure as a trio! [/QUOTE]

[IMG]https://64.media.tumblr.com/65d56a702b1eb3c260bbccd2d16ebfe5/tumblr_inline_mqyqp0affI1qz4rgp.gif[/IMG]


Christ...this, Absolute Power...these aren't comic books. It's an endurance test.

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Well, at least it couldn't be worse than the Matt Wagner one. Right?

First the Holliday Girls and now... Siggy's outfit?

[img]https://i0.wp.com/aiptcomics.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/05/Power-Girl-12-Paquette.jpg[/img]

[QUOTE=Psy-lock;6822110]Well, at least it couldn't be worse than the Matt Wagner one. Right?[/QUOTE]

Won’t be as good as Rucka’s since he actually thinks WW is an equal to Bats and Supes. :p

Waid sure likes to write WW for someone who admits that he doesn't get her.

[QUOTE=Sebastianne;6822147]First the Holliday Girls and now... Siggy's outfit?

[img]https://i0.wp.com/aiptcomics.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/05/Power-Girl-12-Paquette.jpg[/img][/QUOTE]

Wtfff. Just taking anything and everything

[QUOTE=Gaius;6822177]Won’t be as good as Rucka’s since he actually thinks WW is an equal to Bats and Supes. :p[/QUOTE]

When did Rucka write a Trinity comic?

As soon as I read the solicits I knew what the reactions would be :p.

[QUOTE=Laser_Man;6822269]When did Rucka write a Trinity comic?[/QUOTE]

They are probably talking about when Rucka wrote the Trinity's last first meeting in Wonder Woman annual 1.

[QUOTE=HsssH;6822197]Waid sure likes to write WW for someone who admits that he doesn't get her.[/QUOTE]

When at first you don’t succeed, try try again. :p