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Yea I place story above action as well.
Last time they brought in Spiderman Homecoming editor to help edit the film. Who knows if working with a new editor caused a few growing pains. I did hear that studio thought his original fight scenes were too long. Coogler likes to do longer takes.
I wouldnt want Evans for BP, but I would want him for Blade. I think you just hope Ryan and crew just have time to really plan out their fights/shots, etc. Remember they had a really short production for the 1st movie. This one is supposed to be 6 months so they are obviously going bigger. And they were going to get more time for post production as well,but they had to change the starting date to rewrite the script.
Recast and they are already 4 months into shooting with more than enough time to handle effects/reshoots.
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So I've been watching a few "First time watching Black Panther" youtube vids. I cant help but notice that the response is strong to Shuri. Lot of these people are watching MCU movies back to back so she fits the typical funny lead. Its probably what Marvel is thinking.
Thing is if she's the BP then they'll show off all her intelligence and have her with the fighting. Basically, Batman status or T'Challa like we hoped in the sequel.
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[QUOTE=Klaue's Mixtape;5619227]So I've been watching a few "First time watching Black Panther" youtube vids. I cant help but notice that the response is strong to Shuri. Lot of these peopel are watching MCU movies back to back so she fits the typical funny lead. Its probably what Marvel is thinking.
Thing is if he's the BP then they'll show off all her intelligence and have her with the fighting. Basically, Batman status or T'Challa like we hoped in the sequel.[/QUOTE]
Well, she stands out in contrast to the more stoic and serious T'Challa. They're opposites in a lot of ways yet work together pretty well. So I can see why some noticed her. It's not quite like the comics version, at least during Coates early run which came out just before the movie did.
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[QUOTE=MindofShadow;5618828]Big RAID fan
I think they are just totally different types of moives.
I mean, the plot of both Raid movies are kinda basic to dumb lol.
Btu yeah, if you wanted a pure MA movie, Evans obviously has the track record.
I do wonder if the reason Shang Chi is more... cgi? effect heavy? than id guess is because Marvel knows it cannot compete in a straight MA movie in the chinese market so it has to separate itself from it a bit.
But back to black panther...
It hought the choreography of all the fights was beyond solid... the editing is my biggest issue. [I am going to nitpick here. bc I love the movie] Nigeria was too dark, M'baku fight cut in weird places for no reason, and the final fight should have been focused on BP/KM, not inter splicing with what was going on in the field.[/QUOTE]
[B]This, I feel like this were the main issues with BP, not that the fights weren't good but some of the editing was what held it back at times [/B]
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[QUOTE=Klaue's Mixtape;5619227]So I've been watching a few "First time watching Black Panther" youtube vids. I cant help but notice that the response is strong to Shuri. Lot of these peopel are watching MCU movies back to back so she fits the typical funny lead. Its probably what Marvel is thinking.
Thing is if he's the BP then they'll show off all her intelligence and have her with the fighting. Basically, Batman status or T'Challa like we hoped in the sequel.[/QUOTE]
[B]Yeah she fits the funny lead, in a franchise that was set up as more serious than the other Marvel films which also helped it stand out. She showed in contrast to T'Challa, however, her as a lead now means she is just like Tony, thor, quill, Parker etc. And plus Letitia is the weakest of the cast. If we are being real, she's not bad actress, however, when she is in other scenes with her cast mates, the difference stand's out. [/B]
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[QUOTE=Ezyo1000;5619250][B]Yeah she fits the funny lead, in a franchise that was set up as more serious than the other Marvel films which also helped it stand out. She showed in contrast to T'Challa, however, her as a lead now means she is just like Tony, thor, quill, Parker etc. And plus Letitia is the weakest of the cast. If we are being real, she's not bad actress, however, when she is in other scenes with her cast mates, the difference stand's out. [/B][/QUOTE]
Thor isn't like those guys. He's more like Cap.
As for BP, the Raid was a pretty good movie, and it had some crazy fight scenes, but I don't think BP is quite the same kind of movie. T'Challa deals with "big picture" ideas. But I wouldn't be opposed to Raid-style fight scenes although they might be a bit more brutal than Marvel usually goes for
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Hollywood is hardheaded.
The late 90's early 2000s lesson they should’ve gleamed from The Matrix, Crouching Tiger, and Kill Bill is, let’s hire experts like Yuen Woo Ping as a fight choreographers. Let's give our stars 3 - 6 months of basic martial arts training (this part wouldn't apply to Chadwick Boseman because he was already trained).
The lesson they took was, let’s incorporate wire work and bullet-time.
All the while chopping every fight scene up so bad that the eye couldn’t even track the action if you slowed the speed down.
That being said, the behind the scenes footage of Chadwick Boseman in action (specifically the Casino scene) shows that the editing and added on CGI, betrayed his hard work.
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The T'Challa/Zuri scene is one of the best acted/staged scenes in the MCU. When we saw just a hint of T'Challa's anger....phew.
I'm not talking just bloodlust like in Civil War. In BP that was true King type level of command. Thats the type of stuff I worry about Wright pulling off and since she's still growing as an actor I fear them cutting those intense acting scenes. Its what helped made it different than other MCU films. That convo made Tony/Steve argument about the accords seem light.
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[QUOTE=Gessela;5619312]Hollywood is hardheaded.
The late 90's early 2000s lesson they should’ve gleamed from The Matrix, Crouching Tiger, and Kill Bill is, let’s hire experts like Yuen Woo Ping as a fight choreographers. Let's give our stars 3 - 6 months of basic martial arts training (this part wouldn't apply to Chadwick Boseman because he was already trained).
The lesson they took was, let’s incorporate wire work and bullet-time.
All the while chopping every fight scene up so bad that the eye couldn’t even track the action if you slowed the speed down.
That being said, the behind the scenes footage of Chadwick Boseman in action (specifically the Casino scene) shows that the editing and added on CGI, betrayed his hard work.[/QUOTE]
That is true. I think the fact these movies have so hard locked dates makes it tough as well. Those movies back in the day were just "coming soon". They took the time necessary to get things right.
Marvel has to dropped theirs on time so whatever connections they have set up arent lost. Yes, the B roll footage shows that there was more from Boseman. As I've said the fight scenes were much longer. I wish they trusted this movie to be a success regardless so we could have got an extra 20 minutes.
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[QUOTE=Klaue's Mixtape;5619227]So I've been watching a few "First time watching Black Panther" youtube vids. I cant help but notice that the response is strong to Shuri. Lot of these people are watching MCU movies back to back so she fits the typical funny lead. Its probably what Marvel is thinking.
Thing is if she's the BP then they'll show off all her intelligence and have her with the fighting. Basically, Batman status or T'Challa like we hoped in the sequel.[/QUOTE]
It is easy being a supporting character.
Do a few bad ass things (okoye) or a few funny things (shuri) and people gush over you in these youtube things.
It is much much much much much harder to carry a movie. It takes much more talent than that.
I think Danai could easily. Lupita could obviously. Ditto for W'kabi dude. And I actually think Winston seems to have more charisma to potentially do it.
Letitia doesn't have that same presence.
Plus, with the spotlight, comes to people goign through your past on twitter....
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[QUOTE=MindofShadow;5619349]It is easy being a supporting character.
Do a few bad ass things (okoye) or a few funny things (shuri) and people gush over you in these youtube things.
It is much much much much much harder to carry a movie. It takes much more talent than that.
I think Danai could easily. Lupita could obviously. Ditto for W'kabi dude. And I actually think Winston seems to have more charisma to potentially do it.
Letitia doesn't have that same presence.
Plus, with the spotlight, comes to people goign through your past on twitter....[/QUOTE]
Actually it's not too easy to write good supporting characters, that's why people praise BP for being one of the few MCU films with an all around strong supporting cast. You could also argue it's probably also why some see the film as more of an ensemble piece.
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[QUOTE=MindofShadow;5619349]It is easy being a supporting character.
Do a few bad ass things (okoye) or a few funny things (shuri) and people gush over you in these youtube things.
It is much much much much much harder to carry a movie. It takes much more talent than that.
I think Danai could easily. Lupita could obviously. Ditto for W'kabi dude. And I actually think Winston seems to have more charisma to potentially do it.
Letitia doesn't have that same presence.
Plus, with the spotlight, comes to people goign through your past on twitter....[/QUOTE]
Its risky for sure. I think they cast her off the strength that she'd never be BP. Just her own thing. Hope they dont force it.
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[QUOTE=Lord Morph;5619363]Actually it's not too easy to write good supporting characters, that's why people praise BP for being one of the few MCU films with an all around strong supporting cast. You could also argue it's probably also why some see the film as more of an ensemble piece.[/QUOTE]
Marvel always has 1-3 supporting characters that "steal the show"
What made BP weird is that their are like... 8 of them lol. Even the flashbacks to the old heads were on point. They didn't miss.
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[QUOTE=MindofShadow;5619349]It is easy being a supporting character.
Do a few bad ass things (okoye) or a few funny things (shuri) and people gush over you in these youtube things.
It is much much much much much harder to carry a movie. It takes much more talent than that.
I think Danai could easily. Lupita could obviously. Ditto for W'kabi dude. And I actually think Winston seems to have more charisma to potentially do it.
Letitia doesn't have that same presence.
Plus, with the spotlight, comes to people goign through your past on twitter....[/QUOTE]
That anti vaxxer stuff could come back and bite Letitia hard. Especially with all these new Covid variants popping up.