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[QUOTE=dirtynun;5697518]Actually no? Both of you are actually right and wrong at the same time lol.
Psychokinesis is different from telekinesis storm is a psychokinetic not a telekinetic. A lot of people including scientist conflate the two but in parapsychology they are two separate things with tk being under psychokinesis. Psychokinesis is the manipulation or interaction of and with systems without physical touch, telekinesis is the movement of objects mind over matter. tk affects matter but psychokinesis affects well everything from matter to energy to even concepts such as time.... Etc.
Storm is a psychokinetic as she has the ability to interact and manipulate with all forces that universally govern weather. Her connection goes beyond the physical to the metaphysical and probably conceptual hence why she can use her power in the astral plane and other dimensions and planes of existence. Your average weather or elemental manipulator is confined to the physical world only but as we have seen periodically storms power can work well everywhere! With the exception of that one time in hell but that was trash.[/QUOTE]
But no one has denied that her powers are psionic, we're just saying it doesn't configure Telekinesis.
As you well exemplified.
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[QUOTE=Amazona dos ventos;5697540]But no one has denied that her powers are psionic, we're just saying it doesn't configure Telekinesis.
As you well exemplified.[/QUOTE]
That's why both of you were right because ultimately it's psionic in nature. As psycho literally means unstable mind storms only one true limit is her will and imagination how far she is willing to push herself and to some extent her body's strength.
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[QUOTE=dirtynun;5697537]Both of y'all are right and wrong at the same time. He was right when he said it's psychokinesis and you were right when you said tk has limits to only matter.
A psychokinetic is a whole different beast a pyrokinetic that is psychokinetic could manipulate the very concept of fire and burning.[/QUOTE]
But at no time did I say that her powers were not psionic, on the contrary, I reaffirmed what he said but said that her abilities do not configure telekinesis, I gave several examples of why they do not configure telekinesis, brought scans, and even explained why storm it would be able to manipulate the force of gravity in a certain way, since it is directly related to its power. On the other hand, he tried to refute scientific and canonical bases, summarizing all his skill in Telekinesis.
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[QUOTE=dirtynun;5697532]Yh the two seem similar but they are very different exodus is a telekinetic his limits ultimately are in the physical world he would also be able to interact solely with matter in all it forms even plasma, but storm has him beat in that regard due to her being a very adept kind of psychokinetic so her powers limits ultimately can't be placed hence why she can manipulate storms made from magic ala shaman and manipulate metaphysical concepts like the trion dimension. Hell she can even feel shift in space time and heal space time rifts that is not typical weather manipulation that is something else entirely a transcendent form of elemental manipulation.[/QUOTE]
I wrote here a long time ago, I believe unlike characters like Jean Grey and other telekinetics who can turn off their abilities. Elemental like Storm, Iceman, Magma...etc are continually projecting psionic energy into their environment, thus connecting them to the primal forces of the world or universe their in. Which would explain how their powers work so fast...because their always connected to their element
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[QUOTE=Amazona dos ventos;5697547]But at no time did I say that her powers were not psionic, on the contrary, I reaffirmed what he said but said that her abilities do not configure telekinesis, I gave several examples of why they do not configure telekinesis, brought scans, and even explained why storm it would be able to manipulate the force of gravity in a certain way, since it is directly related to its power. On the other hand, he tried to refute scientific and canonical bases, summarizing all his skill in Telekinesis.[/QUOTE]
Yh well that's not exactly his fault like I said even scientist conflate the two hell even Wikipedia thinks they are the same. But in parapsychology they are two totally different things.
[QUOTE=LordAllMIghty;5697551]I wrote her a long time ago, I believe unlike characters like Jean Grey and other telekinetics who can turn off their abilities. Elemental like Storm, Iceman, Magma...etc are continually projecting psionic energy into their environment, thus connecting them to the primal forces of the world or universe their in. Which would explain how their powers work so fast...because their always connected to their element[/QUOTE]
To an extent elementals are a higher tier than your run of the mill psychic as they are directly linked to a primal force that shapes and sustains the universe..... Given as iceman has literally frozen light with little to no effort or storm healing rifts in space time, it's difficult to establish telepaths or telekinetics as stronger as storm is literally as potent as her entire environment. Case in point shogo jubilees baby can become a dragon whose fire melts reality itself. That's insane and metaphysical. He literally can kill and negate any reality altering or whatever.
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[QUOTE=dirtynun;5697556]To an extent elementals are a higher tier than your run of the mill psychic as they are directly linked to a primal force that shapes and sustains the universe..... Given as iceman has literally frozen light with little to no effort or storm healing rifts in space time, it's difficult to establish telepaths or telekinetics as stronger as storm is literally as potent as her entire environment.[/QUOTE]
Let's not talk about Bobby freezing light, makes my head hurt. LOL
Truthfully. elementals are scary...especially Storm, her abilities touch so many forms of power.
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[QUOTE=LordAllMIghty;5697562]Let's not talk about Bobby freezing light, makes my head hurt. LOL
Truthfully. elementals are scare...especially Storm, her abilities touch so many forms of power.[/QUOTE]
Ofcourse that's what their power literally induces lol. And yh elementals are very scary a moderately adept elemental is literally a force of nature not to say an omega one or one that has the capacity to become one with these forces itself.
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[QUOTE=dirtynun;5697553]Yh well that's not exactly his fault like I said even scientist conflate the two hell even Wikipedia thinks they are the same. But in parapsychology they are two totally different things.[/QUOTE]
Yes, even I thought like him one day. Naturally, but after I started studying more about the thermodynamics of storm powers, I got to better understand how their abilities work.
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Telekinetic/Psychokinetic Power is literally the same thing. You can call it that along with other names such as mind over matter, PK, TK, Psi, and much more. There isn't a difference because it's the same power that can be called by different names.
Also Storm using her powers in mental planes has been very much iffy because when she went in a mental plane with Jean her power over the elementals was not effective.
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[QUOTE=LordAllMIghty;5697562]Let's not talk about Bobby freezing light, makes my head hurt. LOL
Truthfully. elementals are scary...especially Storm, her abilities touch so many forms of power.[/QUOTE]
He froze the speed of light, science explains, what happened is that he reduced the kinetic energy of the atoms by bringing the temperature down to absolute zero around Cain.
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[QUOTE=Amazona dos ventos;5697579]He froze the speed of light, science explains, what happened is that he reduced the kinetic energy of the atoms by bringing the temperature down to absolute zero around Cain.[/QUOTE]
He means the feat is mind boggling
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I think that if Storm manipulates the energy patterns that govern the weather, it has some control over the gravitational potential energy, as this is directly linked to some weather elements.
That's what I was talking about.
[QUOTE=dirtynun;5697585]He means the feat is mind boggling[/QUOTE]
In theory it is not, since when we reduce the kinetic energy of atoms, in a way we brake the speed. That's why Storm uses very low temperatures to drain energy.
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[QUOTE=KLY360;5697572]Telekinetic/Psychokinetic Power is literally the same thing. You can call it that along with other names such as mind over matter, PK, TK, Psi, and much more. There isn't a difference because it's the same power that can be called by different names.
Also Storm using her powers in mental planes has been very much iffy because when she went in a mental plane with Jean her power over the elementals was not effective.[/QUOTE]
Storms power over the elements allows her to have an innate connection to the elements. I don't see telekinetics in comics state that they have an innate connection with the energies and matter around them now why would that be? Because their power has its limits in the physical. Mind you storms power over the elements can only be realized when her mind body and soul are one. She literally can't function properly if even one is out of synch. Now the astral world there are two occasions I recall stork using her powers first when she created a mini storm to wash jean grey's face and another when she used a wind storm to try to save nightcrawler from a mob in his mind during the limbo inhuman period. The second time it didn't work not because her powers doesn't work but jean stated that it's a memory so she can't really change the events as they have already happened cause mind you the wind was conjured alright but it wasn't effective because it was a memory.
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[QUOTE=Amazona dos ventos;5697594]In theory it is not, since when we reduce the kinetic energy of atoms, in a way we brake the speed. That's why Storm uses very low temperatures to drain energy.[/QUOTE]
He knows that but also to most comic book fans it's staggering seeing how far bobby has come. Hence him being a bit shook.
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[QUOTE=dirtynun;5697600]He knows that but also to most comic book fans it's staggering seeing how far bobby has come. Hence him being a bit shook.[/QUOTE]
My dream Ororo reach absolute zero, there are signs of her having come very close.